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12:00 AM
Pluto might have an ocean: arstechnica.com/science/2016/06/…
 
12:14 AM
@BESW are you going to pick a fight with nitsua over that pun?
 
I think that'd be.... beneath us.
 
@JoelHarmon No way, it's just a miner disagreement.
 
No need to blow it out of proportion.
 
ore what?
 
The hole thing will explode in our faces.
 
12:16 AM
that's deep
 
@BESW This article makes the Hydra Cap make sense (both in-universe & out-of-universe).
 
without reading the article, I can say that we can't be friends
 
@Adeptus I have spoken on that subject in The Overlook Hotel.
 
I'm still not sure I agree with it, but I understand it now. Also, I'm not really a Captain America reader/fan, I just know him "by reputation", as it were
 
TL;DR: I think that interpretation is likely, but it's rooted in a recurring problem with writers and the public not getting what makes Captain America work.
in The Overlook Hotel, Jun 17 at 21:06, by BESW
Captain America is sadly often re-interpreted as being a reflection of what America is, but he's supposed to be a hopeful, idealistic embodiment of what America can be.
Twisting Cap as a punishment for Americans who aren't living up to his ideals is ridiculous. He should be calling them out, not satirising them.
 
12:27 AM
I suppose it's a bit like GMing; he could create literally any kind of character he wanted, with any powers and predilections. So why twist the white knight instead of making a foil for him?
 
Right. Have the actions of Jack Monroe come back to bite one of the new Captains--that'd be interesting!
(And, you know, relephant as we see the legacy of 50s and 60s political paranoia rear its head in our contemporary political arena again.)
You need to go back to Hydra to find a nationalist authoritarian figure in the Captain America rogues gallery. Jack Monroe's rabid McCarthyism is more appropriate if the goal is to comment on current political dysfunction.
And using Sam Wilson as the Captain to Jack's foil would just drive the message home harder: how far we've come and how little we've moved, in a single cover-art-perfect faceoff.
Unfortunately, these decisions weren't made for story. The behind-the-scenes on the comics-and-TV end of Marvel these days is at least as toxic as it ever was, especially since Civil War saw a further separation of that department from the film teams.
There's a lot of corporate-level ego and spite going into these decisions, and that doesn't make for good story choices.
("Ego and Spite" would be a good name for a superpowered duo.)
 
@BESW It would be! Antiheroes, or villains, or one of each!
(Spite's the antihero. Ego's the villain.)
 
Or maybe a more nuanced "nobody's really good or evil they're just all super messed up" deal like Cable and Deadpool.
...or they could just be Ghostrider antagonists.
Or Spawn. Something really deeply 90s.
 
Or He-Man enemies.
Goofy henchman of someone else.
Ego's always over-confident in his plans, Spite works with him to execute them but he's the person who's reliably grumpy and easy to cajole into ruining the plans entirely.
 
[amused]
 
12:40 AM
if you're a fan of goofy henchmen, I recommend the Thursday Next books
one pair is named Cannon and Fodder
scratch that, if you like reading, I recommend the Thursday Next books
 
I once modified Hades Acheron to be a villain in a D&D 3.5 game. Complete with Felix#.
 
he has to be one of my all time favorite villains
 
Acheron was a half-dragon ogre mage collecting all the different "re-roll" and "random effect" artefacts to use in a ritual to become Master of Fate.
 
hey there @JoelHarmon
 
The party killed Felix# almost every time they met him, and he'd just come back with exactly the same stats but adjusted for a different racial template.
 
12:43 AM
hi @Shalvenay
 
@JoelHarmon how're things going?
 
@BESW did you maintain the face thing?
 
@JoelHarmon Acheron had set a contingency spell to teleport his face away when he died, so he could re-use it.
 
@Shalvenay not too bad; the weather was nice enough for disc golf recently, and it was nice to get out
hahaha
love it
I'm totally stealing that for later
 
Okay, afk. ttfn
 
12:48 AM
@doppelgreener I would watch that
Spite sounds like a nice variant of Starscream
instead of wanting to be in charge his main flaw is instead tunnel vision when you make him mad
 
@JoelHarmon ah, OK here
 
@BESW this sounds familiar somehow... :D
 
@doppelgreener Yeah, I think Power Rangers did it once. [straight face]
 
Power rangers... are blue, white, red, black, and.... pink and yellow and green sometimes. COINCIDENCE??
[highly selective in choices there]
 
1:03 AM
it's also a strange way to list them
you listed white and black with red in between them,... for some reason XD
 
sorry. i mean, the power rangers are white, blue, black, red, and green, also with a pink and yellow one each who show up more often than some of those others.
BUT, COINCIDENCE??
 
still a weird way to say it but I will take it
XD
 
Is there a particular order power rangers should be listed?
 
By accuracy of matching to stunt doubles.
 
@A.McCurran no, but grouping them into categories would make sense, like all the ones that are not green white and black together because those are the common "normal" colors
and then green white and black together because those are normally the colors of the "loner" ranger(s) who show(s) up later
 
1:18 AM
Also Greener is eliding a fairly obscure reference here.
 
none of this is to say you can't group them however the heck you want either
 
@A.McCurran certainly not by how they correspond to the swords in a particular story we're playing which in turn correspond to magic colors which have a common order
 
For the contextless, Greener and Troggy are playing in an Umdaar campaign where I've matched the swords we're searching for to the colour wheel from Magic: the Gathering.
 
and coincidentally we're collecting several swords and The Enemy has been collecting several swords
 
@Miniman amen. Didn't even have to follow the link, I'm sure I know what mechanic you mean.
Oh--there it is atop the screen =)
Hmm... it almost feels worth the massive downvoting it'd (rightly) earn to post a permalink there ^^ as an "answer".
 
@nitsua60 haha, yes, almost.
 
Hmm... I plotted 'foo' vs 'bar' but it didn't give me a bar-chart. I guess I declared my variable types wrong =(
 
@nitsua60 Yeah, I could easily write an essay on all the ways in which it sucked, but it says developer statements only. It's a shame - I doubt the developers will give XP loss the kind of criticism it deserves.
 
2:26 AM
I feel like 3.5 level loss was a bookkeeping nightmare to the point of being Not Fun
also, @Shalvenay, have you managed to find a satisfying game yet?
 
@Miniman amen to that
 
@Miniman You're a web developer, right? (Say "yes." Even if you've only made a geocities site in 1997 for your mom's cat-figurine collection. 'Cause then I'll post, citing you as a "developer statement.")
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2:45 AM
@nitsua60 I'm a software developer :P
 
XD
 
3:06 AM
@Miniman I can't imagine that Wizards passed up the chance to force the devs to write an ill-advised article about XP during the Year of Poor Choices that was the D&D Next beta.
 
3:23 AM
@Miniman It was definitely stupid in 3.5e. It made sense/worked in AD&D, but didn't turn out to be a useful part to hold over.
 
@SevenSidedDie As long as you're around, thoughts on this one? It reads as a tool-rec to me, but I don't like the alternative way of asking (requiring answers to be continually updated).
 
@SevenSidedDie I don't remember it happening that much in AD&D, either. Someone earlier referred to it in 3.5e as a bookkeeping nightmare; it sucked to lose XP/level, but I don't remember getting worked up over charting it.
 
@Miniman Don't like it, but I'm not sure that its off topic.
There's an easy answer too (“here's a link to RPGGeek's 5e index, go nuts”), but since I'm undecided on the question itself I'm hesitating to write it.
 
@SevenSidedDie I've put a regular close vote on it, I guess we'll see what happens?
 
@Miniman Yeah, see what the zeitgeist makes of it.
 
3:31 AM
I'll admit--part of the reason I threw the "what are the races" question out there was as a bit of an "anchor baby" on the "we have lists" front. What differences do you two see between "what are the books" and "what are the races"?
 
@nitsua60 It was mostly in the form of magic item crafting costs, and indirectly with level loss. (Made level-draining undead scary, and you didn't tangle with them unless you had overwhelming advantage, or were desperate.)
 
@nitsua60 I like both questions, I'm just not convinced of their on-topic-ness.
 
@Miniman This is feeding more fuel into my desire for a good meta conversation on lists....
 
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Q: Are list questions off topic?

ripper234This old question asked for "the opinion about list questions". The answers are from three years ago. In current (July 2012) Stack Exchange, are list questions considered off topic? By list question I mean any question that can't have a single, best answer, like this question I asked about what...

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Q: List questions: Community Wiki?

TRiG is Timothy Richard GreenThere are absolutely loads of payment gateways out there, and I'd like a comprehensive list of them. There's already a question asking for the "best" ones, What is the best credit card processing service? and another asking for ones suitable for a charity Can anyone recommend a payment gateway fo...

and the entire meta.se [list-questions] tag
 
@doppelgreener These are definitely not that kind of list, at least.
 
3:38 AM
so we already have some precedent, along the lines of: (a) questions where every answer is equally valid aren't ok and that usually is what a list question is, (b) community wiki doesn't exempt a question from this consideration.
@SevenSidedDie The exhaustive up-to-date product list? Definitely not
 
@doppelgreener Yeah. It won't suffer the problem of a new “here is my post offering to the opinion gods” from every drive-by user who sees it. The only list-y problem it has is maintainability, which is a much muddier metric.
 
@SevenSidedDie which problem is one I like CW for--it really throws out the invitation there to keep one, good answer up-to-date. And the release cycle here seems to make that not crazy in this case....
 
@SevenSidedDie Isn't it asking for a list that updates, not answers that keep up with whatever lists are available?
 
@A.McCurran Yes, but we appear to have stepped sideways into considering the nature of the list it's asking for, as if it were posted here, since it's a good opportunity to chew on how RPG.se feels about lists. :)
 
(sorry--that's my axe you hear grinding in the background)
 
3:59 AM
@doppelgreener by your reckoning wouldn't the Volo's guide be the "most recent" product? Storm King's due in September, Volo in November.
 
@nitsua60 waps, guess "old-new" doesn't strictly go by release date.
 
@doppelgreener wait... did you actually expect wizards.com to list (a) what it said it was listing, (b) in the order it said?
 
@nitsua60 no thanks, let people who want CW use it, but i don't want any rules enforcing usage of it for anything.
in particular, CW wasn't made for fixing problems, it was made for resolving shared authorship contentions. if/when a post has totally shared authorship, it can go CW.
CW is almost never relevant nor necessary nor an improvement.
 
4:38 AM
Re: Hydra Cap, it seems to be a pretty obvious plot point, nothing more. Red Skull currently has the powers of Charles Xavier through... brain transplant or something. Don't ask, comics. And he's been lurking in the background for a while. He's even in the same #1 as Hydra Cap, marshaling supporters. It makes much more sense that he's rewriting Rogers' memories to bring him into Hydra, a more subtle form of mind control, than if Cap was retconned into being a sleeper Hydra agent ALL THIS TIME.
All the fuss is by people who don't actually read the current comics.
 
@Magician This has... other problems... but is a much more acceptable outcome to me. It's also much more likely, given Marvel's allergy to disrupting the status quo for more than a year or so.
 
Ongoing corporate comics are weird, I'll give you that.
But... yeah. I'm perplexed by people losing their mind over a plot in a comic book that'll be resolved in another 5 issues, give or take.
 
That's another very interesting thing, actually--looking at why people care about this.
Because it's not just ignorance of Marvel's by-now-notorious torrid love affair with the status quo.
 
Well. If you don't know about Red Skull having mind control powers, and take the events of that issue at face value, if you actually believe Marvel has retconned CA in such a manner, I can see why you'd be upset
 
(eg, She-Thor, Miles Morales, and basically every other Marvel gimmick in the last seven-ish years, has been met with a thunderous "Meh, it won't last." So why is this one different?)
 
4:45 AM
There's a big difference between the two characters you listed. One is a replacement, the other is a new character. A new character that doesn't make much sense anymore since the Ultimate MU merged with the regular one, but still.
I haven't seen many people being upset at Miles or at, say, Kamala (I'm sure there are some, there's people upset at anything)
The introduction of those two characters was also handled very differently. One took up the name to honor a dead hero. The other... took the actual proper name of a person that's still around but doesn't want the name for some strange reason. And it's been what, 2 years, and we still haven't seen anything about why Thor was unworthy.
 
(See also Ms Marvel, for that last weirdness.)
But yeah, sure it's different. What's a similar event, either in structure or in reaction?
One More Day is the most recent thing I can think of that got massive negative hype, but it didn't really spill outside the comic fandom despite Spider-Man being as established a film character then as Captain America is now.
 
@BESW Again, hasn't caused a huge negative reaction. Former Ms Marvel is now Captain Marvel, the name wasn't being used, Kamala took it as tribute. Everyone happy. Also helps that her book is really good.
@BESW Probably because it didn't invalidate the core of the character, unless you looked closely enough. If a Spider-Man story revealed Peter had shot his uncle himself and was just blocking out that memory this whole time, people would be upset, too.
I can't really think of a story that would just go "your beloved character has always been a villain, deal".
 
...Frank Miller's All-Star Batman.
 
It wasn't a particularly good book, but it was understood to be an alternative version, "not real" story.
 
But Batman's always been more of a cypher than a character, an empty pointy-eared outline to be filled with cultural zeitgeist.
 
4:53 AM
I think that's the core difference. Hydra Cap, at face value, invalidates every previous story about CA.
 
Oooh, okay. So we're looking in the wrong medium for a parallel.
This is Marvel's Moffat Moment.
 
Mmmmm. Quite possibly.
 
Well. The United Kingdom just had a referendum over whether to exit from the European Union. At the moment, 96.6% of votes are counted with 51.7% in favour of exiting.
Things are going to start happening.
 
I’m not an economist. That good, right? https://t.co/MDli8LuQhd
 
@Magician Around now is a good time to buy GBP since I'm going to be moving over there! \o/
 
4:56 AM
Very sorry about #Brexit but must announce that due to the plunging value of the pound I have now bought #doctorwho. Casting Val Kilmer.
 
@BESW LOL
 
I think Kilmer might actually do a great job, if he has a strong director.
 
Google served me up this image.
Casting option: Face of Bo.
 
...my Twitter feed is now paraphrasing The Second Coming. [face/palm]
Still, unified Ireland and independent Scotland are looking a lot more likely now, eh?
And oh, the BBC historicals are gonna be super snarky.
Goddamnit. Leave people just cost me like thirty bucks in plummeting pound exchange rates on Kindle sales. *sulk*
Either of those would be a great start toward a Doctor look.
 
@BESW Ireland is a farther bet than I'd be comfortable making. The northern shores of Ireland have been a culturally-complex Thing since long before England existed as a nation. I'm dubious they can integrate happily now any more than they could during the Roman era.
 
5:07 AM
True enough, but these are strange times.
 
@BESW True enough. Maybe without England to revolt against, the Catholic/Protestant antagonism can be overcome? *dubious face*
It's okay everybody, this is always when The Doctor shows up.
 
@SevenSidedDie He's sorry. He's so, so sorry.
 
@BESW Some political figures in Ireland are suggesting the whole country will necessarily have to unite and cede from the UK now, and some in Scotland are saying a British exit from the EU necessitates Scottish independence.
 
If I hear dumb clip about "our Independence Day!" one more time, gonna start thinking this was viral marketing for the ID:Resurgence movie.
 
@doppelgreener Considering the Leave/Remain map I just saw, Scotland and Northern Ireland are definitely going to have Things To Say about this. (And London is going to fondly wish it could go with them.)
 
5:14 AM
@SevenSidedDie Mind sharing?
 
@SevenSidedDie Thanks!
 
@doppelgreener Poor Gibraltar.
 
@SevenSidedDie I expect if there's a British exit, what's best for them will also be leaving and joining Spain.
Which, like, they live right beside.
(For those wondering where Gibraltar is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar#/media/File:EU-Gibraltar.svg)
 
@doppelgreener Apparently they hate Spain with a burning passion.
 
5:20 AM
@SevenSidedDie What, really!? Wow. XD
 
So that's a tricky thing.
 
oh, uh, um, become part of Africa!
(yesssssss. sound plan doppelgreener, time to high five yourself.)
 
> In a referendum in 2002 the people of Gibraltar soundly rejected a joint sovereignty proposal on which Spain and the United Kingdom were said to have reached "broad agreement".
 
@BESW It could've been a very bad arrangement too.
 
"Gibraltar belongs to the people of Gibraltar and is neither Spain's to claim or Britain's to give away."
 
5:22 AM
@BESW Ohhh. Nice. So, an attitude of independence then.
 
2009 was the first official Spanish visit to Gibraltar since Britain took it from Spain in 1713.
 
A recent article for context: telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/11/…
So perhaps “hate” is the wrong word, and more “fear”.
 
Spain's been trying to reclaim Gibraltar for centuries.
 
“Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo, Spain’s acting foreign minister, has said he would start talks on Gibraltar “the very next day” after a Brexit.”
 
Twice in the 1700s by military might, and regularly by diplomatic means since the 1960s.
 
5:35 AM
@SevenSidedDie I'm reading Diamanda Hagan's Tweets, and she doesn't see peaceful reunification as a possibility.
Anyway best case scenario: Imagine suddenly needing a passport to go to the town a few miles down the road. Real possibility for here.
She says what peace Northern Ireland has is based on a sense of participation in the EU.
 
@BESW The residents of Point Roberts (US) have to deal with that, since they're a peninsula cut off from the rest of the US by Canada. But we've never argued over Point Roberts, so we don't make it annoying for each other…
@BESW Oh dear. That doesn't bode well.
 
@SevenSidedDie She's talking about Northern Ireland itself fracturing into a multitude of independent states.
 
@BESW So Northern Ireland needs to find a way to stay part of the EU?
@BESW Wow. O_O
 
Violently.
 
This is bad.
Honestly tallying things up I haven't heard any good reasons to exit the EU yet.
 
5:40 AM
Urgh. I could see that. NI is only really held together culturally/religiously/politically by Britain's imposition.
 
The Northern Irish peace process is rooted in the European Court of Human Rights, which pre-dates the EU but buy-in to it is required for EU membership.
Rejecting the Court of Human Rights is part of the Brexit agenda for an independent Britain.
On "bright" side, this would make it really hard for people to continue equating "terrorist" with "Muslim."
On a more actually-positive note, I find it heartening that the youth vote was so firmly against the Brexit. That means there's a good chance as young adults move into positions of influence whatever effect this vote and its fallout has will be increasingly mitigated and overturned.
Elders can really mess stuff up, but youth are always the spearhead of lasting dramatic social change.
 
This is certainly a shakeup.
 
@BESW This exact notion also gives me great pause when considering my self-interested desire for extended human longevity.
 
Political maturity is reconciling well-meaning affection for "the will of The People" with understanding that most of The People are stupid.
 
If humans lived over a thousand years, would the "elders" (everyone in three digits) be messing things up? Or would the "elders" only be the people toward the end of their extended lifespan, with the "youth" including people only centuries old?
 
5:51 AM
[sigh] I gotta go get groceries. ttfn
 
@BESW Ttfn!
 
@doppelgreener I think a crucial element of longevity/immortality would be neuroplasticity (not quite the right term, I think, but the best I've got). The ability to change as a person that people tend to gradually lose as they age.
 
@Magician Mm. For sure. :(
 
@doppelgreener No need for :(. There's already stuff that purports to grant it. By the time we've solved aging, we'll have solved this as well.
 
6:07 AM
@Magician Phew.
Mostly :( because my ability to change myself is something I'm very good at and I don't want to lose it.
In the past six years, who I was has almost entirely gone away, and who I am now has almost nothing in common with who I was except memories, and various core thoughts I never sought to discard.
A butterfly analogy would be very appropriate.
Or moth. Moths are cool too.
 
I think this ability depends entirely on how much you use it, much like anything else. If you purposefully challenge your beliefs, you'll do well.
 
I don't want that ability to degrade as I grow older, really.
Cool. :)
 
6:49 AM
You know, I was promised cool cyberware with my dystopia.
Patreon and Youtube pay out in dollars. I guess this is technically a payrise.
 
7:16 AM
@doppelgreener ....does this mean I met you when you were a goopy splat of protein in a crunchy casing?
 
@doppelgreener I second that, I very much needed that ability quite badly for at least the first half of my life, without it I wouldn't even be doing half the things I take enjoyment from now
 
@BESW Yes. Typing became much easier later.
 
BREAKING NEWS: ITV reporting that Sinn Fein calling for new vote on united Ireland. Brexiters were adamant that this wouldn't happen - WSJ
 
@BESW Setting up your browser plugins to run only when you give them permission (Java, Flash, Silverlight, any others as applicable), as described in the second half of that article, is exactly how they should be set up by default, always. Immediately gets rid of a ton of security vulnerabilities and the worst types of ads. The only Flash that runs is the Flash you can see and which you are sure should be running.
 
7:45 AM
@MarsMaven @doctorscience unfortunately this is an episode of Torchwood
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10:26 AM
As a totally non-RPG-er, I dunno why this is more accurate than it should be.
 
I think you may be looking for Arqade. Role-playing Games is focused on "pen-and-paper" or "tabletop" RPGs, like Dungeons & Dragons.
 
10:43 AM
@BESW [insert frustrated profanities]
 
I've been meditating on quotes about the unity of humanity. Not sure if it'll help anyone else.
 
11:34 AM
I also find One Common Faith helpful for perspective on the whole situation.
But again, that's just me. My religion strongly influences my views of social and political patterns and actions. Probably less helpful for other folks, but I feel it'd be churlish not to share what I find useful.
 
@BESW I'm pretty sure if there was a One Common Faith Union, the Brits would vote against it.
but thanks for the support,
 
[wry]
Alongside Century of Light and other publications it presents a vision of the last century and this one that's very different from the common representation. I find the perspective optimistic without being naive, and comforting in its ability to help me define a course of positive action rather than simply becoming cynically reactive.
 
@JoelHarmon not yet....
 
12:10 PM
On an entirely different note: the "three voices" concept of gaming.
The three main creative forces of any game are 1) the designer 2) the mechanics, but most importantly 3) the player themselves.
A game isn't complete until it is played. You can't have boxing without an Ali. No baseball without a Robinson. No chess without a Kasparov.
So a game world sans player is, by design, incomplete. All such games have a void meant to be filled by the player's actions and personality
 
12:31 PM
Hey all. With the steam summer sale going on, tabletop simulator is on sale. I haven't tried other games on it yet, but there's a really good FATE download in the workshop.
 
Does everyone in the group need to buy it?
 
Yep, but they do have 4 packs.
 
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12:49 PM
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1:05 PM
@BESW I typically like having child PCs be forged under extenuating circumstances myself, but that might just be Exalted talking.
 
1:16 PM
@Fibericon I'm not sure most folks forge their kids at all.
Usually kids are the genuine article.
 
@BESW This statement fails to consider all of the warforged families out there. You bigot :p
Warforged kids are real kids too
 
Yes, but would one really say that's a preference?
 
All my warforged friends prefer to forge their children
 
1:40 PM
Huh, and now I think I've figured out what the Big Bad for my next campaign is going to be. Thanks, @BESW! :p
My campaign setting has some moon-dwelling warforged. I'm going to finally have the party encounter them, I think. It's been this big secret over the last 2 years what exactly makes the moon flash with lights every new year
 
1:53 PM
last 2 years of irl time, that is. In setting it's been around for a long time
 
 
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2:56 PM
Just because @Miniman loves the DataExplorer... what about finding posts created after June 2 which contain either "\$" or "\begin{" in the post body? I.e., the "native" MJ posts =)
 
@nitsua60 Yo.
 
@Miniman Hmm... I'm seeing a bunch with creation dates in 2015, 2014, 2010 even.
 
Missing parentheses?
(Not sure of order of operations...)
 
Oh, wow. There are some people throwing an $^n$ in there for footnote-markers.
 
3:08 PM
@nitsua60 Now that I see it, they look a whole lot neater. Plus, $^n$ is a lot faster to type than <sub>n</sub>
@Aether @Miniman @nitsua60 Shouldn't it ought to be: $$ (<- this one's missing) or \$ or \begin{? Not every $$ entry will have a \begin in it.
 
@doppelgreener I agree on both counts.
 
@Aether Yep, that was my bad.
 
I thought we had decided to implement with \$...\$ and \$$...\$$ as our delimiters?
 
3:24 PM
@nitsua60 \$ for inline, $$ for centering the equation on its own line.
 
Huh. I guess if I'd carried my share of the MJ-ify-ing burden I'd have remembered that =)
 
3:37 PM
@nitsua60 we probably both skipped the $$ing by just doing \begins
i only did the $$'s until I learned that going straight to a \begin was an option, then didn't even need to do the $$'s again
actually no there were a couple of occasions
 
 
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4:57 PM
hmm... 39 upvotes, then a single downvote. Me no likey the ordering-dependence of repcap =\
 
@nitsua60 Yeah, it sucks.
 
Oh, well, I'll just have to create a sockpuppet to upvote once more at 23:59. (JUST KIDDING, STACK OVERLORDS! HAH. HAH. [tugs at collar nervously])
 
@nitsua60 ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL We heard that, @nitsua60
oh hey guys, what's up? My account just posted something all on its own for some reason?
 
STACK OVERLORDS: All your rep are belong to us...
 
great, now the remix is stuck in my head
 
 
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7:37 PM
@Zachiel good edit.
 
8:17 PM
@nitsua60 Then I realized I was doing the same thing on a different question. I removed my answer there.
@Tophandour Would that be "All your rap are belong to us"?
 
@Zachiel hehe, nice
I'm trying to decide how my moon-dwelling warforged should land on my earth-like planet without teleporting (because that's pretty boring) and using as little magic as possible.
and using fairly believable materials
 
Warforged.

Build a bridge.
No, wait, better. Have gnomes this side of the gap build a bridge to go looking at what's there.
 
Ideally I'm aiming for something that will allow the warforged to target landing zones and stage a large-scale invasion
 
You din't tell me it was -evil- warforged.
 
They're not evil, they're lawful neutral
The law that they obey without respect to good or evil is that they need souls in order to continue surviving
 
8:25 PM
That's just as scary, but a little more predictable.
 
I'd go Trip to the Moon/War of the Worlds.
@Tophandour So... they're inverse metaphysical Cybermen.
 
I was thinking parachutes but that's kind of boring and I want this to be rather novel so I'm trying to learn some things about aerodynamics to see if I can come up with a shape that will have a pretty slow terminal velocity and just drop in the ocean or something
and I realize that a parachute is one such shape :p
Their main benefit over humans is that they don't need to breathe and are a little more heat resistant so I can do weird things with having them exposed to vacuum or small amounts of air friction
 
@Tophandour I was going to tell you as soon as I was done readying the previous sentence.
 
@BESW Idk, I guess? I haven't watched much Dr. Who
 
Cybermen (original Cybermen, not the alternate-universe Cybus Cybermen of early New Who) were once Mondasians, human-like beings who lived on a planet that orbited alongside Earth. It got knocked out of orbit by the moon, and to survive the interstellar journey, they were forced to use cybernetic technology to modify their bodies.
Eventually their cybernetic modifications became so extreme they lost the ability to reproduce naturally, and now the only way to add to their population is by cybernetic conversion of other beings.
 
8:35 PM
Oh, I see. After googling, it appears that there was a plot about Cybermen on the moon, too
So I'm sure about half my party will think that this is a Dr. Who reference :p
 
Yup.
I've toyed with using warforged as Cybermen substitutes myself, but left D&D before I ever brought the ideas to bear on a campaign.
 
I'm maybe about 10 sessions from the end of my 2 year long mostly sandbox campaign
 
Cool.
 
so this time I'm writing up a plot for next campaign
with... organization! And... themes!
and less "Wow, you really put a lot of description into this one place that we never felt like going back to"
 
Heheh.
Somebody count to three and ping me, please. I'm testing an addon.
 
8:48 PM
@BESW
 
Thanks. (No success on pop-up notifications yet.)
 
@Tophandour Isn't that basically what DMing D&D is all about, and why railraoding and partecipationism are a thing?
 
@Zachiel Right, I'm not planning on forcing my party to be into any particular place, but my current campaign is maybe too sandboxy. The campaign had no pre-determined plot (no bbeg until months in) so I didn't know where they were ultimately going
So I basically did an amount of work each week to give places descriptions and stuff based on my mood or how important I thought a location will probably be, the end result was that I put days of effort into places that the party would never go and only hours into the places that the party actually went to a lot
the goal for this one is to know what places will actually be plot-important so that I can put a suitable amount of work into those places
and by "this one" I mean the one I'm building for the future
Naturally, if the party decides that they prefer to spend their nights in this one little charming inn five miles away from the city that I only mentioned in passing once, that's fine and I'll adapt
 
Back when I ran D&D sandboxes, I had a pretty workable formula: I'd design a world with a looming but unknown threat which had subtle ties to almost everything else.
The first 1/4 to 1/3 of the campaign the party would just noodle around. Explore, make allies and enemies, get to know the place.
Then I'd pick one of the place/people/things they'd been spending a lot of time with, and that's where the threat would first become visible.
As the threat developed, the party would see it spreading through all the parts of the world they'd interacted with, so whatever they'd been noodling around about in the first part of the game would become crucial in the latter parts.
 
@BESW That's what I was going for with the campaign that I'm currently running, but I started in a rush and hadn't even decided what the looming threat would be and once I decided about 1/4 in, it took me until about 1/2 in until I figured out how to finally bring it to the party's attention
For my next campaign I've decided on what the ultimate evil will be, and I'm coming up with ideas for what the different "acts" will be, corresponding to the stages of player power in the DMG. Starts out as local heroes, then national, regional, world. Phase one I'm planning on having some bandit stuff, transitioning into phase two I want to give them leads that the problem goes even deeper, phase 3 may be the invasion, phase 4 could be taking the fight to the moon. Still working it out.
I'll just have plenty of hooks around so if they decide to skip Plot-Hooksburg because it's quicker, they can find a different hook somewhere else
 
9:08 PM
Sounds like a plan!
...someday I'm going to go back to pre-plotted campaigns for a while.
 
Anyway, didn't mean to imply that I was going to shove the party into a minecart and send it hurtling through my plot with little dioramas at pre-determined locations. More like I'm going to put signposts around pointing to Plotsburg so that I can be more confident that the work that I put into Plotsburg won't be totally wasted. I'm a good DM, I promise! :3
@BESW This will be the first that I've pre-plotted!
 
@Tophandour Heh. I actually found my games where I had Something Which Should Happen worked better when, instead of plastering signs saying "THIS WAY TO PLOT" for the PCs to follow... I put up signs saying "THIS WAY TO PCS" for the plot to follow.
 
My first, I inherited it from somebody who only likes playing for 3 sessions before he gets bored and then I had a toxic party, so it didn't last long. Then there was my current one which has felt like it was generated via RNG. Next one, I want to have some direction.
@BESW Yeah, I've done that a lot. Probably will still do that. I guess what I'm trying to convey is that in my current campaign I wrote out a lot for all of these different cities and nations just-in-case and I thought the party might go there, but they never did. I'd rather put the larger chunk of my time into planning the cities and stuff in the region that will be important (which the party will start in) than spreading it equally around the whole globe because (cont...)
 
The games I've been running lately, instead of having plans for what will happen, start by having the group agree on recurring themes/goals/problems/obstacles/enemies.
 
I won't be sure where the party might go, if that makes sense?
 
9:17 PM
Oh, aye.
 
Like, I won't prepare much for some remote country far on the other side of the distant mountains across the continent because I know there won't be much interesting stuff going on there
 
...my solution to that was to put 'em all on a tiny remote island and give 'em incentive to never leave.
 
My current campaign, it would've got equal attention because I don't know if that's where I might take things
 
 
@BESW Yeah, I'm putting them into a country that's very swampy and they'll be employed by a kind of adventurer's guild. Their post is assigned to this particular small country and it will happen to have an (as of yet undecided) important role in the events of the world to come.
 
9:20 PM
In my 4e campaign, I instead had them all be members of a group that gave them missions.
 
They'll probably go to the bordering countries which are currently in an alliance
nice map by the way
 
Thanks. It uses a base scanned from The Dictionary of Imaginary Places, which I scrubbed the labels off of, re-labelled, and then coloured.
 
@BESW Right, planning on doing a thing like that. This guild will turn out to be descended from the organization that the party created in my current campaign
 
Nice.
 
First mission will probably be something like "Bandit attacks are up, investigate that"
 
9:24 PM
The first map I made for a campaign was done in the Caesar III map editor and then Photoshopped.
 
I'm using the free Hexographer fornow
 
I've also done very sketchy map styles.
 
well, for my local maps
continent-wide maps are in pen
There was another tool that I used for the party's keep that they won in my current campaign, forget what the tool was called though
 
Data Explorer query for Recent Tag Wiki Edits.
 
I was listening to the radio while I commuted (also yay, I remembered that the right word to use is commute, and I think this is the first time ever I use it!) and they aired Untitled 3, from () by Sigur Ros. And it got me thinking. It got me thinking about which kind of D&D quest might use that music as a background.
 
9:27 PM
I believe it was free and online. Some sort of tile-based thing and you could paste furniture and certain objects around
 
@SevenSidedDie What's it ranked by?
 
@BESW Just sorted by date, most recent first.
 
Ah.
Yeah, I recently tried to tidy up a few tags and make the wikis more focused on "how to use this tag" and less "A brief introduction to this tag's topic."
 
@BESW Think of it as a “active” sort order for the tags page, like the main page is for questions.
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@Zachiel It sounds like the background for the “we are returning home, changed—older but wiser” montage (… if the heroes' home was Iceland).
 
@Tophandour I see you met my friend Marco. (more details about campaigns that ended 3 sessions in can be found in my profile)
@SevenSidedDie Yeah, it felt like a character development music. That's where I tought of building an adventure plot by using the Dogs in the Vineyard branch creation rules, and pushing on what the characters forgave or punished. Not very D&Dish, but it might work in my play by chat environment.
 
9:46 PM
@Zachiel yeah, my group of friends has a guy just like that
 
(Don't mind me, juste passing by)
 
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@BESW [wave back]
 
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