@BESW aah

thought as much from the avatar :p

@Shalvenay yes

Sometimes, I really dislike Rule Zero.

"We have a Ban List and you can only use these legal source books. Oh, by the way, the DM can use whatever rules he wants to try and kill you."

"Even the ones that we banned and stuff outside of the legal source books."

@Yuuki yeah, that sounds silly considering the stated rationale from earlier for having a list of source books!

Yeah, I had a DM yesterday (or day before) that had us fight a boss mob with a feat from a newly released book.

Lets him roll attacks to counter and deflect arrows.

Pretty much one-shotted one of the PCs with a counter.

...I'd be asking the DMs "why are you making more work for yourselves and each other?"

having everyone at the table using the same set of books I'd think would be more vital in a multi-DM setup

to avoid confusion and miscommunication, not only DM<->PC, but DM<->DM as well

This one DM has really been rubbing me the wrong way too.

sending your fellow DMs off on a paper chase doesn't sound like a particularly good idea...

Recent OOC discussions make me feel like he enjoys thinking up ways to kill PCs rather than actually making a fun time for everyone involved.

Pitfalls into lava don't seem like a lot of fun.

At least from what I've read up.

@Yuuki yeah. I prefer the pitfall into a giant pile of foam rubber, with the door you need to go through to progress in the dungeon at the bottom

Granted, there's probably a Reflex save involved to not fall into the lava.

But failing that save usually means auto-death and he keeps saying that characters should easily find their way out of lava.

I wouldn't have a problem if we were discussing avoiding the trap, but the discussion was on what options you had after already falling in the lava.

@Yuuki although if the party had fire immunity, making a magmatic dungeon could be...interesting

20d6 fire damage per round is pretty hard to survive and there are few options out.

(i.e. a dungeon that's set inside a lava chamber)

Climb checks are negated by perfectly smooth walls.

And flight is rather hard to get for mundanes.

Magical items are expensive and we work off an item access mechanic.

that raises a really good question: do water breathing spells let you breathe while under the surface of any liquid, or just ordinary water?

I imagine you'd take even more damage per round if you breathe in lava.

Now you're cooking from the inside out!

casts Water Breathing on Yuuki's char, throws him/her into a giant gasoline tank

And then when we were talking about how difficult flight is to access because of the way this campaign is structured, the DM suddenly says "you know we're not talking about this game, right?"

When there was almost no indication of that.

Which is how I replied and he countered with "well now you know".

I'm really disinterested in joining any of his runs now.

sadly, the only thing I DM for folks online is a 3.5e one-shot dungeon...

Maybe I'm wrong, but he comes off the kind of person who enjoys the feeling of power and control that being DM offers.

Which is really scary to PCs.

today in Guiding Light's Adventures in Music: editing a MIDI to change some C notes to A# because the person who arranged this didn't compare it to the original song at all. hooray

@Yuuki yeah. I personally feel I'm at my best as a DM when I'm in "here's a bunch of levers, have fun!" mode

(which said one-shot dungeon is good for, but it's also rather unconventional -- it's the dungeon you get when the Vexgits get to rewiring the place :P)

... and now I'm hearing things. Probably not the best thing to have happen when playing it back.

@BESW ahoy!

@Yuuki There was a time when my D&D games ran on the principle "You can use any books you want, and I'll only use the books you've already used."

@GuidingLight [wave]

It wasn't the best of policies, but it gave the players at least an illusion of control.

@BESW yeah. book banning is one of the most...frustrating 3.x conventions out there, because it does so little to fix the actual problem it's said to fix

if a DM started banning books left right and sideways, I'd counter by asking them to ban the PHB classes.

Man, everyone here has such a strong aversion to necromancy, I seriously wanna try being a Reanimator/Chirugeon Alchemist.

@Yuuki heh. I suppose it's char-dependent for me -- many of my chars can't stand the animation of undead, but otherwise have no problems with well, everything else in the necromancy books

@Shalvenay Well, it seems everyone seems mostly concerned about the souls of the dead.

And I think I can flavor Reanimator/Chirurgeon to animating the bodies while the souls are left untouched.

@Yuuki that's an...interesting worldview.

It'd be interesting to RP the conflict considering how vehemently anti-undead these people seem to be.

What people are you both referring to?

The other PCs that I play with.

@Yuuki Wouldn't those be flesh golems?

In Empire, we animate bodies with hungry winter spirits…

@Anaphory In Soviet Russia, bodies animate you!

@Miniman Well, the Reanimator archetype specifically uses the create undead spells to do their reanimating.

@Yuuki So how do the bodies move? Are you controlling all of them?

yO

[wave]

@ThatlonelyEladrin welcome!

@Miniman There are all manner of ways to animate the dead. Conscious control by the animator, infusing the body with an independent fragment of the animator's will, binding a spirit/demon/element to the body (willingly or not)...

@ThatlonelyEladrin What brings you around these parts?

@BESW Hence, I'm asking which one he's using.