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12:12 AM

@Tritium21 The Java sandbox is broken!? :O

(and thus I demonstrate how little I have been following the professional developments of this language)

Uh... It seams java vulnerability of the week is gone... but it got so bad that at one point in 2013 it was not a question of if there was a vulnerability, but of what the next one would be

the sand box isnt just broken, it has been nuked from orbit

doppelgreener

wow

that's about as bad as it can get

(well, until you reach a point like "the sandbox is gone forever")

From the ticker: DMG Preview #2, Figurines of Wondrous Power

Tritium21

12:31 AM

My wife has been texting me all afternoon. Apparently licensing is going well and she wants to take a bit of a vacation. ... this was understood with the FIRST 100 messages.

we are now on message 5165464968436168168168161684

doppelgreener

sir i find this highly irresponsible

Adeptus

@doppelgreener Serpentine Owl? I want to see a Serpentine Serpent!

doppelgreener

you are probably racking up a phone bill several magnitudes in excess of the totality of human currency available on this planet

it's like you want the global economy to disintegrate

Tritium21

Unlimited texting

doppelgreener

... carry on then

@Adeptus is that something like a serpent except extra serpenty?

BESW

12:43 AM

Serpentine is a kind of semiprecious stone, also called false jade and other names.

Adeptus

@doppelgreener What BESW said. And yes.

Tritium21

32

Q: How do I add two integers together with Twisted?

I have two integers in my program; let's call them "a" and "b". I would like to add them together and get another integer as a result. These are regular Python int objects. I'm wondering; how do I add them together with Twisted? Is there a special performAsynchronousAddition function somewher...

this always lightens my mood

doppelgreener

1:01 AM

(Worth noting though is that with spawnProcess, Twisted does provide a little support for CPU-bound tasks, by converting them into I/O bound tasks and then communicating with them the same way. But this is a good explanation nonetheless.) — Glyph Sep 6 '11 at 4:16

As a friend and neighbor, I'm begging you: Please do not spawn a process for the purpose of adding two integers. — IfLoop Sep 6 '11 at 4:49

this was hilarious

Tritium21

It should be noted that Glyph is the author and maintainer of Twisted, and he is in fact a genius with a weird sense of humor

doppelgreener

i notice in the comments, this entire question is great

@BESW I have learned a thing. (Can it also be serpentine in the serpenty way?)

BESW

I suppose so.

(Join RPG.SE chat! Learn gemology!)

doppelgreener

@BESW you have to learn a little bit of gemology if you're going to be leaving precious gems for loot

I now fondly recall my favourite NetHack item: the cursed rock.

BESW

I think most of my loot-based gemology knowledge came from reading Hardy Boys and Three Investigators and the like.

doppelgreener

1:16 AM

The cursed rock: It is a rock. It's heavy. It's cursed. The curse is that you cannot drop it. This is all it does. That and make you incredibly paranoid about ever picking up rocks.

BESW

Presumably this means you can't be disarmed if you use it in combat.

The Cursed Rock would be a great name for a shady tavern.

Tritium21

cant be used in combat

just takes up encumbrance

BESW

So it's a loadstone, but more boring?

(Which is impressive.)

doppelgreener

@BESW Well, in D&D it'd be boring as hell, in NetHack encumbrance is a big deal so the cursed rock means you can't wear the best armors, carry a great variety of gear and food, hold onto all your spellbooks, etc.

BESW

Can Nethack let you use it as a boomerang, though? "Thrown away and magically returns" is interesting in the "figure out narrative loopholes and exploits for mechanical effects" attitude of 3.5.

The loadstone gives you something to play with.

The cursed rock seems to just limit your options.

doppelgreener

1:27 AM

@BESW I don't think you can throw it, because thrown items leave your inventory. But I actually want to try this now.

@BESW Yes, precisely. There are parts of the game that are just there to make it easier to die horribly.

Adeptus

@doppelgreener Isn't that the point of NetHack and similar games? "You will die. Probably horribly. But how far will you get before you do?"

Pixel Dungeon is my current favourite Roguelike (or NetHack-like) game. It's on Android & is free. I once got up to level 20 before dying, which was enough to unlock the other character class. Every other time, I'm lucky if I get to lvl 5...

doppelgreener

1:48 AM

@Adeptus More or less yes I think so

@Adeptus I'm gonna try this one out. :D

Smurfton

2:29 AM

Pixel Dungeon's pretty nice, and also fairly easy to get into.

@doppelgreener Wouldn't a cursed rock be able to be dropped if it's not equipped? I thought that was most of what curse does.

doppelgreener

@Smurfton Yeah, the cursed rock is unique. Cursed armor can't be removed, and cursed weapons fuse themselves to your hands, but a cursed rock simply cannot be dropped once picked up.

Smurfton

@doppelgreener Did you manage to throw it? How was Pixel Dungeon?

doppelgreener

I'm not sure if it's the only item that has a curse preventing you from dropping it, but it's certainly not the usual kind of NetHack curse.

@Smurfton I don't have NetHack on this PC, so I'll have to find out in a few hours when I'm home.

Also, I'll similarly have to wait before trying Pixel Dungeon.

Smurfton

@doppelgreener Pixel Dungeon is only for Android, actually.

Tritium21

I ignore optimization ... I am kinda surprised how many questions that blocks out.

Smurfton

2:34 AM

@doppelgreener There's definitely an Android emulator out there somewhere, though.

@Tritium21 That's weird; I haven't noticed a single [optimization] tag. On the other hand, I've never played nwod, and that's more than half the questions, I swear.

doppelgreener

@Smurfton I have an Android, but I mean I'll have to wait until I'm home so I can download it over my home's wifi.

Smurfton

Makes sense.

doppelgreener

So on both counts, I must wait until I am home so I can break into a dungeon and throw some rocks.

Tritium21

@Smurfton There hasn't been a WOD question in about a week

I stand corrected, 2 days

Smurfton

I asked a question yesterday (SO meta) and people keep on finding new and exciting ways to bump it.

Not sure how I feel about that.

BESW

2:47 AM

I think I've got the "brainstorming puzzles in Fate" thing set up and ready, whenever we've got at least three people to run it.

doppelgreener

@Smurfton Feel pleasant; you started something people find engaging.

Tritium21

@Smurfton Its a good question

Smurfton

@doppelgreener @Tritium21 Thanks!

Tritium21

(btw, it wasn't a judgement based on it being constantly bumped. I looked it up, its a really good question for the whole of SE)

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Q: At what point is a question not useful to others?

I've been working on translating a program line for line from Turbo Pascal to C, but I've apparently made some mistakes, and the version I copied from wasn't a perfect transcription of the original program. I'd like to ask about certain sections of code that I believe have a mistake within them, ...

discussion asking-questions

Smurfton

You saying that I should move it to meta?

trogdor

2:52 AM

@BESW cool

Smurfton

SE meta, not SO meta.

Hello, Alex!

Alex P

Hello!

@Tritium21 Throw the applets into the fire.

Tritium21

@Smurfton Not required

Alex P

@Tritium21 I ignore the most popular D&D tags, so my main page is 80% greyed out.

I'll answer generic D&D stuff because I remember stuff and can do research, but any recent edition already has tons of people who are actively playing and interested to answer the questions.

Smurfton

What are the dotted lines in chat supposed to represent?

Alex P

3:02 AM

I think since you tabbed away

BESW

The chat thinks you might not have seen the stuff below the dotted line yet.

Smurfton

yup. That seems to be it.

trogdor

is it there right above your last chat post?

cause that's where it is for me

Alex P

I have several and they slowly fade over time

doppelgreener

Rather the dotted line denotes "this is where the last chat message was last time you tabbed away from this window"

trogdor

3:09 AM

ah ok

yeah,.. just made 2 more XD

doppelgreener

It's a place marker for where you should start reading from, to be helpful like BESW mentioned

trogdor

that is actually kinda neat "here is a marker for where you might have last read to

Tritium21

not a new concept...

BESW

Flag as spam!

trogdor

Yes,... but he didn't explain it the way you did

doppelgreener

3:10 AM

Yeah it is neat!

BESW

(Also: is this a new kind of spam?)

Tritium21

yeah

Miniman

@BESW Way ahead of you

doppelgreener

HIYAAAAAT

BESW

Usually we get "Ethnic-named witch doctor made my boyfriend and money problems vanish!"

doppelgreener

3:12 AM

[spin attack]

Smurfton

@BESW Sort of?

doppelgreener

@BESW I'm parsing that as made your (boyfriend) and (money problems) vanish XD

BESW

That too.

Adeptus

@BESW Your boyfriend vanished along with your money problems?

BESW

Well, I certainly don't have a boyfriend.

Alex P

3:13 AM

@Adeptus Your money problems vanished along with your boyfriend. :D

trogdor

lol

Miniman

@doppelgreener I'm parsing that as made your (boyfriend) and (money) vanish

Tritium21

@BESW Husband? You tied the knot?!

doppelgreener

That's because of the witch doctor's spell! Aaaaaa

Smurfton

Funny thing is, I was under the impression that all answers that only have single enter breaks and and an email were automatically marked as spam. They must be learning.

doppelgreener

3:14 AM

@Miniman well I know if my partner started sending money to witch doctors on the internet I'd start having second thoughts about them XD

Alex P

Hi Brian

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@trogdor instead of mod-flagging "this is obviously spam" just... choose spam. It engages specific operations once enough people flag as spam.

trogdor

@BrianBallsun-Stanton mk, I am not sure I had that option

Miniman

I was actually kinda confused, I was like 'I'm not meant to flag now that I can close vote' looked through close vote reasons for a spam option, then decided I should stick to flags

Smurfton

So which option would that be? Not the top of the list under spam?

doppelgreener

3:16 AM

6 spam flags auto delete a post, penalise the poster 100 rep, and may lead to other bad things happening to them

Smurfton

@trogdor Brian left.

trogdor

eh

Smurfton

Sorry, not the top of the list under flag?

doppelgreener

@Smurfton the ping can bring him back

Alex P

Poor Mirabel Coleman

Now she will not get any vampires to join her Vampire Kingdom

trogdor

3:17 AM

lol

doppelgreener

Like a demon must answer its true name etc

Alex P

Which is bad because I'm pretty sure being a vampire is like multi-level marketing

Smurfton

Indeed, terrible.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

What?

doppelgreener

@trogdor spam should be the first option in the flag dialog

trogdor

3:18 AM

All I had was "Other"

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

fascinating.

trogdor

It was literally the only option I saw

doppelgreener

Weird

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

perhaps try to replicate and post on meta with a question.

Smurfton

But @AlexP, you don't want too many vampires, otherwise you'd have no food! That's why certain types of vampire aren't realistic.

doppelgreener

3:19 AM

Did this happen after the question was already deleted, I wonder?

Miniman

@doppelgreener That would make sense actually

trogdor

@doppelgreener maybe? I don't really know

Miniman

After I flagged, I looked at the close menu and it was like no

Alex P

@Smurfton Well the classic WoD solution is "shovelheads."

Someone just made these vampires to be disposable minions, like, a day ago.

They don't stay around forever because that would, indeed, be a drain.

Smurfton

@doppelgreener Looks like it. I still have the question open, and attempting to flag it, only the other option is available.

trogdor

3:20 AM

Honestly, most of my experience here has simply been the chat, and answering and asking a couple questions.

doppelgreener

Ok, yeah, and now that I access the 10k deleted question the only option is other

trogdor

So I don't know if it's a situation of rep, or me simply not seeing something, or what

@doppelgreener That sounds like exactly what I saw

Again, no clue

Smurfton

@trogdor you flagged it after the deletion of the question.

doppelgreener

So trogdor you flagged the question and by the time the dialog loaded it was deleted and you were given the only valid flag option for deleted posts

trogdor

ah ok

doppelgreener

3:22 AM

Also my autocorrect just replaced trogdor with trouser

trogdor

so if I see that I will leave it alone

fine by me

@doppelgreener XD

Tritium21

You are fine with being trousers?

trogdor

yes

Tritium21

noted

trogdor

also with leaving deleted posts alone

both are fine

I now know what they both look like

Magician

3:24 AM

Morning

Smurfton

"[Becoming a vampire let me] fight all my enemies which i later agreed to become [...]"

trogdor

MMM English

Smurfton

So joining the vampire kingdom lets you become your enemies?

BESW

Make thralls: All the benefits of networking and merging, without compromising your goals.

@Magician [wave] I think I'm ready for the brainstorm/puzzle thing, once we've got three or four participants.

Smurfton

What's this?

trogdor

3:27 AM

it's sort of a test of a mechanic of the Atomic Robo RPG

Magician

@BESW Cool! I'm most likely able to do it in the next few hours. But may spontaneously disappear if boss comes a-knocking.

trogdor

the players run into a puzzle of some kind and use certain Fate mechanics to decide what it is

BESW

@Smurfton Trying to see how easily Atomic Robo's "brainstorm" mechanic can adapt to more traditional D&D-style puzzles.

Adeptus

@trogdor (and how to overcome it)

trogdor

true

but first you do have to decide exactly what it is

does it have spike traps behind it? is it filled with acid?

BESW

3:30 AM

So who's in this? Do we have enough now?

Smurfton

So you're saying it's a procedurally generated puzzle room thing?

BESW

@Smurfton Kiiinda.

Magician

Cooperatively generated, I's day.

Smurfton

I'm not in; I don't know the first thing about Atomic Robo.

trogdor

@Magician This is a better term for it

BESW

3:31 AM

In the brainstorm mechanic, you compete to establish facts about the puzzle which will inform the final conclusion about its nature (and thus how to solve it).

Smurfton

That's actually really cool. May I watch?

trogdor

you would need to know a bit about Fate in general, not exactly Atomic Robo itself

we are just borrowing one of Atomic Robo's mechanics

@BESW I am in if we are doing it now

BESW

@Smurfton Naturally. We'll be doing it in the Fate room, when we have sufficient participants.

Fate chat and game room

Good questions raised here should hit the main site too! Fudge...

Smurfton

@BESW Thanks for the link.

doppelgreener

@BESW I can't help at the moment, but I can after ~6pm

Tritium21

3:34 AM

its 2(e1) minutes to midnight...

Miniman

Does someone else want to look at this first post? I'm never 100% sure what to do about first posts.

trogdor

we have lot of people from different time zones in here

Miniman

@trogdor Or they say they are.

trogdor

@Miniman It could certainly be a vast conspiracy

Magician

I've only ever seen anecdotal evidence Americas even exist.

Tritium21

3:35 AM

@Miniman You left the comment I would have.

trogdor

@Magician I have been there, but I was always on a plane and usually not even looking out the window at the time

till I arrived, at which point I could have been anywhere

Metool

[ raises eyebrow at url ]

Miniman

@trogdor Exactly! How do we know timezones aren't just those crazy Northerners trying to hoodwink us? Vast lands across the ocean...yeah right.

trogdor

people say "you are in Phoenix Arizona" I think "just looks like a freaking desert"

BESW

There's a Mission: Impossible episode with that premise.

Smurfton

3:39 AM

@Metool You look like you're struggling there. Yep that was asked. It was spam.

Tritium21

I say I am from New York State, and people think Manhattan

Miniman

@Tritium21 I think of the secret base under Ayers Rock from which the CIA is brainwashing me to believe America is real.

Smurfton

I say I'm from Washington, and people think DC. I think I win on that.

Tritium21

@Miniman If America isnt real, then how can there be a CIA?

Smurfton

@Tritium It's actually hosted in Canada.

Tritium21

3:41 AM

@Smurfton But that's a country, not a pair of continents

Smurfton

@Tritium21 Oh, the continents aren't there? I thought there was definite proof of Canada.

Miniman

@Tritium21 If you were an organisation devoted to maintaining the fiction of an imaginary country, wouldn't you claim to be from there?

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BESW

4d6

Dice Service

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Tritium21

4:20 AM

I think I am addicted to fake internet points

Metool

4:34 AM

Have you ever known that someone was vitally misunderstanding things, but you could not convince them that they were misunderstanding it despite your best efforts?

Miniman

@Metool Ayup.

Tritium21

@Metool This...is half the internet?

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Magician

@Tritium21 Can't agree with you there.

Tritium21

@Magician ok, 7/16ths of the internet

doppelgreener

you're implying 7/16ths of the internet actually involves trying to engage in a mutual communication with the person, instead of shouting into an echo chamber and/or readily receptive audience about how that other person is a butt

Tritium21

4:41 AM

@doppelgreener 7/16ths of the internet the participates in discussions, then.

user61230

5:29 AM

I may soon have the pleasure of running Fate for a group of brand new, untarnished players.

BESW

@Emrakul Ooooooer.

user61230

I'm very curious to see how their approach to roleplaying fits with Fate by default.

user61230

We've had a lot of discussions here that revolve around the idea that Fate fits more closely to the way players want to play from the outset. I'm curious to see how it holds in practice.

Magician

Let us know how that goes :)

BESW

Yes.

user61230

5:39 AM

Shall do! Hopefully it goes well, too!

BESW

twitter.com/UrsulaV/status/524421119344795648

BESW

6:31 AM

@doppelgreener You and Dan won't be around for Geek Night on the first week of next month, right?