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12:43 AM
[wanders around scifise] No Cartmel Masterplan? None at all?
Is there some non-canon proscription in place?
 
1:32 AM
Popper, Kuhn, Feyerabend, Lakatos?
I know I'm 18 hours late with that comment
 
Wow. I am very impressed with the interns that have been assigned to slave for me.
 
@SamuelRussell yep.
is a good tour of the schools of modern philosophy of science
 
2:37 AM
@BESW re FATE: can you invoke your high concept?
 
Yes. The high concept and trouble have all the properties of any other aspect. They may have additional duties assigned to them, but they don't have any taken away.
(Like the idea in many games that the high concept must somehow justify any stunt you take.)
 
Excellent.
I'm about halfway through the FATE Core book
Though I know some of it has already leaked out.
 
2:58 AM
You'll probably know it better than I do.
I've got DFRPG running around in my head too.
 
3:12 AM
I don't know about better, but I'm starting to think in terms of aspects now.
 
?
 
"My hot pocket invoked Boiling Lava Hot and now I have the Scalded Tongue consequence."
3
 
Hee
Brian maneuvered to place Controversy Ban on chat.
 
@BESW did my roll succeed?
 
But tied against a All Your Radical Ideas Are Belong To Us, so it's just a boost.
 
3:15 AM
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Boost means you get to invoke it once for free, but it fades afterward.
 
4d6
 
 
You achieve a Mediocre success against Controversy.
 
I think the problem is that he did it Forcefully instead of Cleverly.
 
Better Forceful than Sneaky, I think.
 
3:25 AM
@BESW is that because my mental stress track is basically exhausted?
 
3:43 AM
@BrianBallsun-Stanton You're definitely riding with severe, moderate, and mild consequences.
Perhaps even an extreme one!
 
 
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4:48 AM
@BrianBallsun-Stanton In re Chromebooks?
 
@SamuelRussell ?
 
I have found I need a small, light device to type words (rich text) into documents while in archives.
 
@SamuelRussell urr
 
Because longhand sucks, and photographing documents doesn't result in immediately useful academic writing.
 
urrrr
hrmmmm
quanity of words, available physical space, difficulty of text, internet availability, can use voice?
::blink:: a 1 megaword fan-fanfic. I am terrified.
 
4:52 AM
500 considered words an hour or more (because it is narrative), text is stuff like, "(Tribune, 12 Oct 1944 p1 "Newsmen keep the news running"): Communist party has an illusion that the news is actually being produced for a political purpose other than the immediate one in the strike. (Plus italics and footnotes possibly). Network needs to be considered down, so "end of day" network. Can't use voice, library / archives "special reading room" you whisper, "I need these documents by 4pm"
Also sub $400 would be good
 
mmmmmm
1 hour unit time? or how much typing time per hour?
and how much relearning are you willing to do?
 
My current writing system is OS X storage of research materials => Google Docs for writing => Presentation layer isn't specified. Might be LyX if I get greedy about being pretty-printed via LaTeX
But yeah, word or RTF to humanities journals
 
... ::sigh::
oh, nonoon, different problem
 
1 hour as unit time.
 
you are interested in the data collection problem
hrmm, how many words total do you anticipate collecting this way?
 
4:55 AM
Yes. I have a paper "Journos are silly" which needs new evidence from archival material, slotted in to narrative at points 5 and 8 and 14 to demonstrate the argument. The evidence is a SLNSW in a reading room.
Collecting up to 4000 in a bad day, so an 8 hour day of primary work maximum.
Battery wouldn't need to be 8 hour though. They'd have plugs
 
@SamuelRussell nono, how many total words, trying to figure out if keyboard retraining is worth the investment?
oh, sitting or standing?
i.e. is this literally wandering the stacks?
or is this bringing stacks of books to a basecamp?
 
I write a ticket, someone supplies me with a stack of items 45 minutes later
 
okay, so you're sitting somewhere
okay, so that means a chordboard is less vital...
 
the work space is a seated reading desk in public. The main data input problem is putting a device in my hands—there's no time problem in taking in the data, because I'm converting it to information as I read.
 
which means we can use laptop paradigm
cause if we're using the android paradigm then we have to basically cyborg you
 
4:59 AM
Yes. I'm not producing a 1:1 transcript, but narrativising evidence.
 
hrmmmmmm
what's your current typing speed?
(rough)
 
89wpm/100% on a typist test
So obviously it peaks above that when fluidly expressing myself
 
yeah.
okay, so 90 means that preserve querty/realkeyboard indicated.
so I'm not going to recommend a frogpad...
chiclets are also contraindicated...
budget AU$400?
 
As a pretty hard maximum actually.
I want a device I don't have to respect in the morning.
 
5:03 AM
That's actually pretty important. It is why I'm seriously considering chromeos, because it lacks the "worshipful" user:configuration relationship, or the fullness of experience offered by a real operating system.
 
well, there's a chromebook for $300
 
Yep. I think I'll go to JB, make sure they're not chicklets, and buy one.
 
but I'm looking at the keyboard and going... eeeeeh
altnerative, grab a tablet, grab a Real Keyboard (TM)
hrmmmmmm
 
tablet OS do not nicely display text for writing.
 
@SamuelRussell ?
 
5:05 AM
I tried wedging a BT keyboard into my iphone. The experience was… … â€¦ visual search for … â€¦ â€¦ paragraph… â€¦ â€¦ head………tail………what did I mean again? [search]
 
android does docs quite acceptably well
oh yeah, not so much
you need a 10 inch tablet for this
 
I thought iOS displayed paragraphs of webtext well, then I tried to write with it
 
and not bluetooth
first rec: try to get a used laptop (lenovo) via ebay?
second rec: drop by with your keyboard of choice, and we can play with our tablets
third rec: chromebook
Hweee...
$1200 off a lenovo edge...
but even the lowest priced one is $600
The FAIMS project is an amazingly... dedicated... lenovo shop
we all have lenovos (accidentlaly, but..)
 
What is the lenovo keyboard like?
 
delightful
full response, no chlicklety feeling
each key has actual clickyfeel
full sized, no BS backspace, no BS enter
no BS slash
 
5:10 AM
I am really surprised by how much toolsmithing is involved in research.
 
but yeah, try used first.
yep
and used apple depreciates like mad. I don't care for it myself, but well..
 
Given that I use apple as my home OS, the problem there is "oh I'll just play around with non-work-related..."
 
@SamuelRussell yes
but if you're hitting 90 WPM, no, just no
and yeah, I've owned one of the original frogpads. It was cute, but the typing speed penalty hurt rather a bit
 
5:32 AM
My current keyboard is a classic apple extended II, but I look with envy on every weird input system I can.
 
@SamuelRussell oh.
but yeah, if you've got access to one of those magic whatever abominations. play with the frogpad
 
 
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8:14 AM
oooh, look at that, modbait.
 
9:05 AM
@BrianBallsun-Stanton ?
 
@BESW help my paladin's fallen and he can't get up. ... ::mutter::
 
Ah.
 
I'm tempted to tell him "Binder"
 
Brian reveals aspect Unusually Cruel.
We already had someone suggest fighter.
@user150760 Hi!
 
@BESW reveals?
 
9:20 AM
The Fairy Nuff stubbornly suggests that the aspect is frequently concealed.
 
@BESW mmmm, is a truthful fairy.
And yeah. I'm tempted to second fighter.
or maybe commoner
 
...that's just petty.
The guy asked in good faith.
 
yes, which is why I'm not actually answering that way
and is why I've closed the question until it is answerable
well, and the "chaotic, revenge driven true netural" thing
 
Sounds like fun.
 
9:34 AM
@Pureferret Hey.
 
@BESW Yo
How'e you today?
 
I think I crit the scifise chat with a Wall o' Text.
Alas, I had to cancel my FATE game this evening due to panic over travel prep and insane jobwork.
 
10:36 AM
@BESW I'mstill reading
It's normally a lot quitet than RPG
 
 
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1:08 PM
Howdy, folks.
 
Hey.
 
Had an amazing dream: Sherlock Holmes was a demon hunter.
My wife tells me it's from hanging out in "that nerd chat"
 
....Conan Doyle would approve.
Dreams are weird. Sometimes they Mean Things, but often they mean you shouldn't have eaten that for dinner.
 
Moriarty was interested in ascending (descending?) to demonhood, and Sherlock sacrificed himself to add a binding component to the ritual. Awesome.
 
I usually don't dream, but I go through irregular periods of frequent intensely vivid, intensely weird dreams.
(Once, miniature-poodle-sized T-Rex pets were turning into zombies. I was the cop sent to deal with the problem.)
3
 
1:14 PM
I'm starring that because it's awesome, and even more awesome in the Out of Context Sidebar.
 
@Problematic I'll put that in the idea bank
 
@Pureferret Sir... Sir Doyle? Is that you?
 
@Problematic No, no not at all. I'll just be getting back to my time machine now. The one that Wells lent me....
 
Oooh. It's Professor Challenger.
 
@BESW letting the scifi.SE guys have it with both barrels, eh?
 
1:22 PM
Apparently.
 
My son is helping me type, apologies for any gibberish.
 
Fair enough. [waves] Hi!
 
And if I say anything profound, same reasoning.
So if I want to create stats for, say, a starship in FATE, I can just treat it like a character, right? Give it a name, some aspects, and a stress track?
 
Yup!
 
FATE Fractal is awesome
 
1:32 PM
@Aether ?
 
@Problematic The FATE Fractal is the idea that anything can be treated as a character.
 
@Problematic The idea that character rules can be applied at macro or micro levels equally.
 
No matter at what level or scale
 
Ooh, I like it.
 
So a spaceship can be a character. The One Ring can be a character. Fire? Yeah. Even abstract things like Hunger.
 
1:36 PM
FATE actually makes it a lot easier to conceptualize magic items in Middle Earth than, say, D&D
 
@Problematic Yup
 
There is one thing FATE is bad at: inevitability.
Between the ability to buy off compels and the ability to use FP and free invokes to boost rolls as high as the group can afford, the only way to make something impossible is to avoid assigning it mechanics in the first place.
 
Hmm.
I wonder if you could compel inevitability.
 
(On a similar track, give D&D their due: artifacts with spell-like powers are mental stats are the D&D version of the FATE Fractal.)
 
Trade Fate points for the idea that something MUST happen.
 
1:41 PM
A compel can be bought off.
 
Right, but it's a negotiation at the table, right?
I guess inevitability that the players allow doesn't pack the same punch, but still.
 
@BESW If the GM really wants something to happen, they can always escalate to the point where the player can't buy it off.
It's worth saying that this is a mixture of not allowed and strongly discouraged in the books
 
@Aether Escalating beyond 3 becomes potentially abusive, and escalating regularly is, but yes. That's there.
 
@BESW On the other hand, you are giving the compelled player that many Fate points.
But the player obviously really doesn't want it to happen, and you're forcing it on them...
 
Definitely a Jerk Move.
Although, last game session I did a double-compel and it worked out wonderfully.
 
1:45 PM
@BESW Yeah, it's like a big battle of wills, which now that I think about it would probably indicate you might have group issues.
 
@Cat!
 
Cat
@BESW!
 
[joyous rioting in the streets]
 
Cat
Just dropping by after a long absence due to crazy life (teaching practicum)
 
So then I guess we're back to not assigning mechanics to the inevitable bits. Though you can let them narrate / buy out of parts: certain things WILL happen, but it's up to the PCs to make them less bad than they would be.
 
Cat
1:47 PM
That's coming to an end this week though, so I should be a more frequent visitor now that I have time to game again
 
@Cat Ah, I remember when my mother went through that.
 
Cat
What's up?
 
I've started a FATE campaign!
 
Cat
Fun :)
 
It's on hold for a few weeks though, as I'm heading to Israel on Tuesday for a week and a half.
 
Cat
1:48 PM
I'm just drooling at the chance to start my first PFR campaign.
Wow! Sounds interesting! Have a great trip!
 
When I get back, I've discovered I'm also going to be running a PbC FATE Accelerated campaign here on the site.
 
Cat
PbC?
 
Play-by-Chat.
 
Cat
Aha!
Sounds awesome!
 

 Fate chat and game room

Good questions raised here should hit the main site too! Fudge...
 
Cat
1:49 PM
Super cool :)
I've never done PbC, but will eventually get into it, I'm sure :)
 
You're welcome to join if you like. It started as an excuse to give Maurycy the kickstarter pdfs, and kinda snowballed.
I've never PbC'd either.
 
Cat
I'd join if I thought I could be a dependable participant, but life is sort of in flux looking for work this summer.
I'm not sure what I'll be doing or when I'll be doing it.
 
Gotcha.
 
Cat
Of course, I suppose if I'm unemployed, that won't be a problem :P
 
I have no idea how long this'll last or what its pace will be.
 
1:51 PM
Well, with most of us not having played FATE before, and at least half of us not having PbC'd before, it's going to be an adventure. :)
 
Yes.
I'm looking forward to it, though!
 
Cat
Definitely, but what I great intro to the concept!
I trust BESW will do a great job.
 
@BESW Me too
 
Great. Pressure.
 
Cat
lol
You can always blame it on the PbC format if it bombs!
 
1:52 PM
yes! I shall!
 
Cat
:D
 
I'm giving it an amorphous setting that I'm pretty familiar with, but that is open-ended and malleable enough to bend to whatever the players want.
 
Cat
Sounds like a fine approach. Games you can tailor to player interests tend to work better.
 
And we'll be playing with common tropes, so that's some good shorthand.
Basically, each PC has entered the Enchanted Forest (the forest found in just about every fairy tale ever) seeking honor, glory, or something they've lost. They may be ambitious or desperate, but nobody wanders through the forest without reason... except those who already live there.
 
Cat
Lots of possibilities there.
I'd send mine looking for a lost child.
(or children)
 
1:56 PM
So far we have an incompetent wizard who lost his staff in a hazing stunt, a semi-reformed thief/acrobat cursed to be half-cat, and a youth whose entire family gets magical powers when they turn 18... except him.
 
Cat
But there are lots of imaginable alternatives
Sounds like it will be fun already.
 
One of my RL players wants to join with a blind PC of some sort.
 
Cat
And 3 is a nice number for an adventure.
 
I know of at least two more who want to join... it's snowballing.
 
Cat
:) Will you cap it somewhere?
I've never played with more than 7.
 
1:58 PM
I haven't decided.
I've played in groups that went up to 10 some evenings, and I ran a group that hit 12 in a single session once.
I prefer two to four.
 
Cat
Yeah, I like between 3 and 5
 
If you get players who complement each other, two is magical.
 
Cat
Perhaps, but I haven't tried it yet. It just seems limited to me.
 
@Cat mmm. d20 System games certainly don't lend their mechanics to support it.
 
Cat
2:03 PM
Yeah - it's likely my background, you're right.
 
But in terms of pure RPG chemistry, the right two players with a GM who's willing to go along for the ride is GLORIOUS.
 
Cat
:)
If I ever branch out into FATE, I'll keep that in mind :)
 
My first D&D campaign finished with four two-player sessions in which I basically tossed the handbooks out and we role-played.
 
Cat
I guess I'm not confident in my GM role, as I prefer to have lots of rules to back me up when refereeing games with adults.
I free-form with my nephews (basically without hard and fast rules) but that's because they "respect my authorit-ay!"
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Without a narrative construct of some sort (even the sandbox type of narrative is still a narrative), that question is not an RPG question.
 
Cat
2:05 PM
With the male "strangers" I GM for, I am less confident.
 
Cat
Also, it keeps me consistent.
 
I can't tell if he's trying to excise his narrative context in a misguided by earnest attempt to make the question appeal more broadly, or if he's actually lacking it.
 
@Cat oh, rules are essential, but they're monkey bars not jail.
7
 
Cat
2:06 PM
I like the analogy, Brian
 
Which is why ignoring them sucks so much, cause you suddenly are missing bars and you're swinging and ohshit the ground!
 
Cat
I don't think I'm a rules-lawyer type personality, but I just like that common reference set of "laws"
 
Hi, ground!
 
Cat
lol
 
but there's a difference between ignoring them and using them for a good launch.
 
2:07 PM
@Cat Every social interaction implies a set of mutually assumed expectations.
 
Cat
I just like them to be explicit
 
RPG systems provide some of that structure, but are unable to provide it all.
 
Cat
Exactly. They provide for the most common stuff.
 
The mistake comes if/when a person or group thinks that the RPG system's laws are sufficient for the group's structure.
 
Cat
I think, once again, we're dealing with someone (me) who has only ever played crunchy systems
 
2:09 PM
@Cat Been there, wibbled about that.
 
@Cat ah, yeah. yep.
 
Cat
I'm sure I'll evolve, eventually, but I think I need to play some less crunchy games as a PC to see how it's done before I'd be comfortable GMing a game
 
@Cat I'd love to run a game for you sometime. Just fly out to sydney :)
 
Cat
I'm sure I'd be at a loss
Thanks Brain :)
Brian
 
And then we can figure out how to generate a PhD out of RPG theory :)
No worries, pinky :)
 
Cat
2:10 PM
lol
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton I want to leave a comment. Preview, plox?
> This is a fascinating (if dauntingly broad) question, but without some kind of narrative construct or context (even sandbox games are a kind of narrative) it's not answerable as an RPG question. What are your gameplay experience goals and how do you hope answers to this question will help you achieve them?
 
mmmm
I wouldn't have him edit, cause that question is almost certainly going to get migrated
maybe ask him to make a new Q based on this that has some relationship to RPGs?
 
Cat
Sounds fair to me.
 
> This is a fascinating (if dauntingly broad) question, but without some kind of narrative construct or context (even sandbox games are a kind of narrative) it's not answerable as an RPG question. Maybe break it down into a progressively posted set of smaller-topic questions relating these ideas to your gameplay experience goals and how a culture/environment can be designed to help achieve them?
 
2:18 PM
Bam.
 
yeah, just realized that his question begs a Ph.D dissertation.
 
That may not be his intent but.... yeah. At least that.
Looks to me more like a whole field of study.
 
yep: anthropology
 
(And a lot of nature/nurture fallacy arguments.)
I spent about two months helping Hobbs put together his already-mostly-designed world into a coherent plot-encouraging quilt of environment, culture, and history.
Anyway, I must to sleep.
G'night!
 
Cat
Goodnight!
 
2:26 PM
"If this question is not a good fit for the site, please pretend that it is." Man, why didn't I think of that?
 
Cat
lol
 
@Problematic ?
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton The last sentence of the worldbuilding question strikes me as kind of condescending.
 
3:01 PM
Wow it exploded in here
@BrianBallsun-Stanton How're things down under?
 
 
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5:04 PM
@DampeS8N How about long-term membership benefits?
 
 
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7:31 PM
I Wonder what KRyan would say if I broke the first Commandment of Psionics. "Thou Shalt not lose any Manifester Levels"
hmm a Psionic Rogue Class. Weird.
 
8:05 PM
I Take it Psions dont get free Psicrystals?
meh. just one more feat I gotta plan for.
I read somewhere they do. but i looked in the SRD and it doesnt say anything about getting it as a bonus feat.
or was that the Erudite?
 
Cat
8:29 PM
Sorry, can't help you. I've never played with psionics
 
 
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10:34 PM
@Hennes Hi!
 
Hello,
Looking around a bit after not playing any game for 3-4 years.
And only once per week in the years before that.
 
Once per week seems to be pretty common.
Several people around here would be overjoyed to be able to play that often.
 
@sevensideddie It seems if the scope of the economic/individual stat question was aimed for tabletop it could go well. I don't see how it would be a subjective answer - they're not asking "should I" but "could I." Do you believe the question might be worth salvaging at this point? I sort of like where they were going with it, even though right now I voted to close based on the comments from them, mainly
hello @Hennes
 
What system(s) did you enjoy when last you played?
 
AD&D (second edition). A very brief look at third. And Werewolf (same group, different story teller)
 
10:37 PM
@LitheOhm I think the question should be abandoned as a bad job and anything worth salvaging should be given their own posts.
 
I tend to stick to non-combat D&D chars. Which does not make sense since it is rather combat oriented.
 
@BESW so far yeah. There are plenty of other questions that would require less working to fit. I'd even have to change the asker's intention with the question to make it fit - hence I haven't tried editing it yet
 
But sneaking past guards, feeding them a sleeping herbs etc is much more fun than winning a fight and killing them.
 
@Hennes 3.5 edition is also. It does make sense, it's just that the system isn't incredibly conducive to start out
 
@Hennes Ah, yes. That's been a common issue I've seen crop up (and to which I've been subject myself): trying to make D&D fit game experiences it's not really designed to handle.
 
10:39 PM
we've got a question or two on running non-combat games using combat-centric systems
 
Last char Played was Nadar, a priest of a healing Goddess. (and with as additional ability lay hands)
 
116
Q: How do I get my PCs to not be a bunch of murderous cretins?

mxyzplkMost RPGs teach you that casual violence is the best solution to all your in-game problems. This is so well established a part of the vast majority of RPGs that there are entire satire RPGs like Greg Costikyan's Violence and John Tynes' Power Kill dedicated to showcasing the issue. In most RPGs, ...

 
Depending on how open your group is, you might also try some new systems; non-combat-centric, narrative-focused systems are enjoying a surge in popularity.
 
2nd ED and being a sole priest is not fun though. Memorised spells cure light, cure light, cure more light, and yet another cure more light.
And 1D8 means I know they may cure 1 HP only.
 
you might like this one better, closer to what I intended to paste: rpg.stackexchange.com/q/4801/4089
 
10:43 PM
Bookmarked (local time is past midnight, so I better read those when I am properly awake and on less beer.)
 
cool :) hope they're useful
 
Mostly just browsing around though. Maybe gaining a few good ideas for later games.
 
Hello all.
 
those are just the two I could think of off-hand
hey @novian
 
Might DM some day. I will probably be bad at it (did it once before, 2 sessions only. Not a lot of experience)
But there is one way of learning: just do it ;)
 
10:45 PM
only one way to get xp.
 
@Hennes Cool. Don't let experience bother you.
 
:) yep
 
@Hennes Not as bad as me. One of our players simply refuses to play if im DMing.
 
My first time with RPGs of any sort was GMing a D&D 3.5 game with people nearly as new to the system as I was.
 
all I did was get a little frustrated during one session.
 
10:47 PM
@Hennes I do strongly suggest, based on your description of playstyle and frustration with D&D casting systems, that you check out something like FATE at some point.
 
First game I made a nice world. Maps. Races. Backgrounds......
Hero looked at it and tried to get to another continent.
Not quite what I had in mind when I got them deported (australia style) to a brave new world with ---Indians--- elves. :)
 
I was commenting on a discrepency in 2 different lines of text about the number of kobolds in the premade encounter thing and he acted like i was adding an extra one. in one place it said 14 and in another it said 15.
 
The FATE Core (generic narrative-based system) pdfs will be available for free download... hopefully some time next month.
 
Most of the people I know have D%D and WoD books
 
He said it would throw off the CR of the Encounter.
 
10:48 PM
@Hennes New WoD or original flavor?
 
Ehm, years old. So probably old
I was just a played in WoD.
 
I believe nWoD was... 2004? [shrug]
I played in a single session of an oWoD Mage game before the group fell to pieces and the storyteller joined the 3.5 game I was running.
 
haha, was waiting for the FATE rec ;) lol
 
I never played mage, though I got the "mage, the ascendion' book somewhere
Ditto vampire
 
@LitheOhm The instant he said "combat... meh?" I had to.
 
10:52 PM
haha :D
 
And a yet unread book of DeleriA
 
@Hennes After eight or nine years of D&D 3.5 and 4e (which were great fun, don't get me wrong), I've become somewhat disillusioned with the d20 system's ability to support the narrative game experience I want to see in my RPGs.
 
Well, it can be fun.
Or even just the look on the DMs fave when you encounter a trap, trigger it repeatedly until it is out of ammo (it used steel throwing stars)
And then collect all the high quality steel and sell it.
 
4e has one of the best combat engines around, but even with some of the non-combat concepts it brings into play D&D is first and foremost a combat system.
 
Hmm. in my search for Psicrystal shenannigens i keep hearing refference to Psicrystals getting feats for Hit Dice. I dont think they get feats. because their HP is 1/2 yours and dont have any sort of level advancement.
ive read the text for Expanded Psionics Handbook and seen no such indication of such a thing.
their Hit Dice is equal to yours yes but i belive that is only for effects dealing with Hit Dice.
 
11:02 PM
RPG.SE's own @Magician has a short article about what he calls goblin dice which sums up my problem with non-combat d20 mechanics nicely: they use a complex resolution system that's great for combat, but they leverage it poorly in non-combat contexts.
 
Hastur, Hastur, Hastur
I mean, hi folks.
 
Hi Chtulu
 
11:56 PM
When it comes to Persistant Spell in 3.5 What constitutes a "Variable Range"?
I mean Medium is like 100 + 50 per level but its still for the most part static.
It doesnt vary in between levels.
 

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