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5:42 AM
OH MY GOSH ITS HERE ITS HERE YAY
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btw, I'm back. For good, hopefully. Finished up school, got myself a job and 8 hours of boredom outside of it, so I should be frequenting the site.
in other news, as awesome as the site upgrade is, i've lost some cool privileges. dangit.
 
 
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10:21 AM
@ThomasShields Ya the bar when up. I guess you'll have to up the ante to get them back. I know it's frustrating and I'm sad our community involvement in closures and such just took a hit, but it is also a blessing. The bar was too low for a mature active site and it's a good thing that people will have to earn more trust in living under extant community standards before throwing weight around.
Glad to see you back by the way!
 
10:46 AM
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Q: Should site specific badge icons show on all accounts?

CalebWhen viewing an individuals profile on an SE network site, the accounts page shows badges with that site's theme. The resulting site specific badge icons strike me as odd when paired with other sites. See for example how I have fish badges on the Unix & Linux site: Perhaps this account listing...

 
I'm no stranger to getting a regular subset of unexplained downvotes nor for complaining about them — but usually I can at least guess why. Sometimes not. Anybody want to hazard a guess what purpose a downvote on this answer serves?
 
 
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12:30 PM
@Caleb yeah it's good in the long run. Thankfully I'm only like 100 away from close/reopen
@Caleb thanks :)
 
1:11 PM
@ThomasShields On the bright side, I can once again pick up +2s from editing. ;)
 
1:32 PM
@TRiG My first realization the priv levels had reset was seeing the edit review queue grow much faster than normal and fill up with names I don't usually see in there :)
 
1:44 PM
@fredsbend Really... why was this flagged?
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO Because it's disgusting, hate-filled, offensive nonsense.
 
@TRiG That's subjective; really a matter of taste
 
@FreshPrinceOfSO No, it really isn't.
 
scratches head
 
some semblance of love at least some of the time
He said that in a deliberate effort to get under my skin. Well, congratulations. It worked.
 
1:46 PM
@TRiG Your argument is invalid unless you can support that the flagged statement is disgusting, hate-filled and offensive
 
@TRiG Yes, actually it is a matter of perspective. Let it go.
 
@Caleb No.
 
I'm not sure such a discussion would fit in on the rest of the SE network, let alone in this particular channel
 
Oh, snap. This is a Christianity chatroom.
 
@kalina Point 1: It's offensive because it was intended to be offensive.
Anything which intends to be offensive is, in fact, offensive.
 
1:48 PM
@TRiG and as such, the appropriate action is to ban the person in question so they can reflect on their actions
 
@TRiG That's not correct.
 
If someone tries to insult you, no matter how inept they may be at doing so, they are in fact being insulting. The offense is in the fact that they made an effort to insult you in the first place.
 
@kalina / @FreshPrinceOfSO / etc ... Please let C.SE mods handle this one.
 
@TRiG turn the other cheek.
 
@Caleb Have fun! Go Allah!
 
1:50 PM
@Caleb sure thing, I left both of the flags in this instance but if these guys start spamming flags my patience will wane.
have fun
 
@kalina Both? Who else was flagging things? mildly curious
 
@TRiG We've been over this one before. You find some people's views offensive even when they don't intend them to bed. On the other hand we've been moderating this room based on either widely perceived offense or clear intent to be offensive. Bar one of those, your option in this room is to have thicker skin.
 
@TRiG the message got several flags
 
> clear intent to be offensive
That's what I'm seeing.
 
@TRiG Clear to you. And to my eyes quite the opposite, and to other parties also not clear.
 
1:53 PM
I don't know fredsbend, and without that context the message seems like it is trying to be accurate
sometimes sex just involves lust, it doesn't always involve love
 
Take it in stride or go catch your breath somewhere else.
 
@MattЭллен No, what fredsbend is saying (and going out of his way to say, in a context where its not remotely relevant) is that gay relationships never include love, only a "semblance" thereof.
And he said that in a deliberate effort to needle me, which makes it worse. It wasn't a slip; it wasn't an incidental remark which just happened to upset me: it was a deliberate, intentional, offensive statement.
He went out of his way to offend me. And I don't think that's reasonable behaviour. At all.
 
@fredsbend do you realise that semblance is synonymous with façade? It's not a synonym for amount.
 
2:09 PM
@MattЭллен I would guess he probably does. That's the point. The term "love" to many Christians has a very specific meaning and context. Outside of that context, anything labeled "love" is only bears a resemblance to the original, it is not actually the same essence.
 
ah.
then it is offensive
what a jerk
toodles!
 
@MattЭллен Most people who would make similar statements (including myself) mean exactly the opposite of what TRiG has read into it -- it's actually an acknowledgement that even a situation that we believe to be a perversion of an original can include feelings and actions which resemble to original. One can certainly disagree however vehemently with the view of what is true and what is counterfeit, but that doesn't mean the statement is intended to be offensive.
 
It would make me feel belittled, patronised and excluded if it happened to me. I understand where you're coming from, really. I'm an athiest and I sometimes have to curb my expression to try not to upset religious folk.
 
2:28 PM
@Caleb Even if I buy your assertion that the offence was not intentional (which I don't), it was still offensive.
Very.
 
 
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4:08 PM
@TRiG I see now why you got so angry. But I think @fredsbend just made a poor choice when he picked his words. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but it it sounded like he's saying that sex with a human (no matter which genders might be involved) has at least the possibility of "love". (It doesn't help that we equivocate wildly on that word in English!)
Keep in mind the first chat item in that chain compared an anti-gay activist to a Nazi. We aren't exactly starting in the best place to avoid offense, I think.
I'm pretty sure a lot of hetrosexual unions have nothing to do with "love" in the sense that @fredsbend was using.
 
oh boy, looks like I walked into a fun conversation :P
 
@DanO'Day So.... How about the new chat design! It sure is blue!
 
@JonEricson I seem to have to opposite issue you do. The farther to the right words aren't readable
 
4:23 PM
@waxeagle You caught me... I never learned which hand is which in kindergarten. ;-)
 
@JonEricson that's ok, for the longest time the only way I could remember is that I'm left footed.
 
But play around with your window size and you can see it depend on how the text aligns with the whites portion of the clouds.
@waxeagle Heh! I had a wart on my left hand. When it went away, I lost my clue.
 
heck, it completely falls off my screen in 1080x1920
well, halfway
probably not appropriate to link in here, but I'm getting a real kick out of a twitter feed that is retweeting reactions from last nights GoT
 
@JonEricson That was, if you read the article carefully, actually a bit of fairly clever (and (this is important) appropriate) rhetoric.
 
(I haven't seen it yet, but I know what happens from books and context)
 
4:30 PM
Y'all, I'm unfamiliar with your site norms. Do you think the current version is okay?
 
Summary: Robert Gagnon often talks about homosexuality and bestiality in the same breath. If anyone says he's comparing the two, he gets very upset and claims he would never ever do such a thing. So Jim Burroway talked a lot about Gagnon and a lot about Goebels, while never ever comparing the two and making a big deal of the fact that he was not doing so.
This was rhetoric both clever and appropriate.
 
@msh210 Ya. The words "reliable sources" doesn't mean much in our context but it still sets the necessary tone for what kind of answers you'll get.
 
@Caleb Okay. Feel free to reword again, of course. (And thanks for your first edit.)
 
@JonEricson indeed, it looks nice tho
@waxeagle that seems to be dependent on screen width
 
@Caleb Should I change 'reliable sources' to 'official publications' or something?
 
4:32 PM
@DanO'Day yes
 
@waxeagle I write with my right hand. Always worked for me.
 
@waxeagle I seem to recall Jin's saying something recently about certain widths' not being supported. Lemme see whether I can dig it up.
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A: Items break container when window width is resized below ~990px

Tim PostI checked with our designer (Jin) - and 1024px is the minimum that we support. While many things happen to work at smaller widths, they aren't officially supported to do so. As you notice, it behaves well down to about 990px, which is pretty much the best we can do to make sure nothing looks awfu...

 
@msh210 At this point I think I would leave it in your own words because one of the things that will be useful in answering a question like that is a word or two about what kinds of sources are available. Your wording is more likely to prompt somebody to fill in those details than mine would be :)
 
@msh210 not surprised that 1080px isn't supported, but it's the easiest for me to check (as I've got one of my monitors sitting portrait)
 
@Caleb Okay, thanks. :-)
 
4:40 PM
@TRiG I made a snap judgment to avoid reading the article. Your pull-out quote convinced me not to bother.
@TRiG Thanks for the summary. Sounds like an interesting article.
After reading: Clever, but not great. The trouble with sarcasm is that it's so dang hard to get a straight answer. ;-)
 
4:58 PM
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Q: New chat theme usability issue

Jon EricsonPerhaps I'm the only one seeing this: I think the word help is the leftmost option, but I copied a bit more just in case. My eyesight is pretty good, but I can't really read anything other than policy | mobile without straining.

 
@StackExchange Old news! (Notice it's already !)
 
@JonEricson awesome :)
 
@waxeagle sweet
 
5:18 PM
@JonEricson Wow, that was quick. I upvoted it before it got . Aaand after a refresh, it indeed is fixed!
 
@El'endiaStarman Good. To be honest, I didn't think @Caleb's solution would help. White on blue seems problematic to me. (But I think anything besides black on some shade of white or tan is hard to read.) I think the reason it works is that we don't need to read that text very often.
 
@JonEricson It's very readable to me right now. White on skyish blue works, it seems.
 
@El'endiaStarman I think if it was much more text it would be hard to read, but this is OK
 
@waxeagle Yeah, I agree.
 
5:46 PM
Is this a duplicate? I know I've seen someone somewhere try to reconcile the days (although I am taking the contradiction as a given in my question):
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Q: Explanation of Chronological Disparities between St. John and the Synoptic Gospels Concerning Jesus' Passion

Dan O'DaySignificant chronological disparities exist between St. John's telling of the life and death of Jesus and those of the synoptic gospels. For instance, St. John discusses at least three years of Jesus' ministry, while the synoptics focus on the final year prior to his death. The synoptics place Je...

 
@DanO'Day I think the conflict came up, but I don't know where. I feel like @JonEricson gave an answer to it
 
@waxeagle that's what i thought but I can't find it
 
@DanO'Day good enough then. If a search doesn't bring it up then at the very least it's a useful dupe. If no one finds it it'll stay open
 
@waxeagle I think it's come up on BH. But more in passing than as the subject of a question.
 
@JonEricson gotcha
 
 
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7:26 PM
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Q: Let my points go! Returning point to bounty asker

caseyr547Following up on this: Is it appropriate to offer a bounty in order to gain attention for an answer?. When a person answers a question with a bounty I think that they should receive the bounties points regardless of whether it was their question. It may take a lot of work to find the answer to the...

 
 
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10:27 PM
Is it me, or does the cross in the main logo of your site have longer left than right arm? (I guess I can download the picture, edit it, and count pixels.)
 
@msh210 Gah. I think you might be right. Or it might be an optical illusion that I can't unsee.
It's must be a subtle political statement.
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@msh210 Also, as much as I like the font, it really doesn't work for emoticons, does it. :( (Thanks for the workaround. ;-) )
 
^ Click through for a larger version.
@JonEricson Oh, I always <code>-ify emoticons anyway. For screenreaders and because I'm a... purist. A/k/a stubborn mule.
Anyway, that picture shows that the cross as a whole is balanced, but the deep blue part of it isn't.
 
@msh210 Ok. I count 8 pixels on each arm, but the lighter blue on the right side makes it seem shorter.
 
10:33 PM
@JonEricson Right. The I's also: they're balanced, but the deep blue part isn't.
No, wait.
The second I is balanced. The first I isn't, but its deep blue part is.
But imbalance in the I's doesn't jump out at the eye (no pun intended) -- or not at mine, anyway. In the cross, yes.
But (no offense but) it's no skin off my back if your logo has an imbalanced cross; I'll let you guys figure out whether to do anything about it. Have a good day.
 
@msh210 That's a good catch. Thanks!
 
11:16 PM
One thing about this new chat theme: the colour contrast between your own comments and everyone else's is quite sharp: a very clear distinction. I think I like that.
 
11:27 PM
@JonEricson FYI the reason I outlawed a unification response on this question was to prevent the wacky day-counting folks from copying and pasting nonsense into the thread when respected scholars such as NT Wright, Ehrman, and others have made it clear that a contradiction exists.
Even if you can explain away the 14/15 Nisan disparity, you're still left with the Passover being celebrated a day early in John's account and then having to assume this goes unmentioned in the synoptics (highly unlikely)
@JonEricson this is a decent summary of the issues with the 'two-calendar' perspective: ethnos.us/files/pdf/LastSupper_PassoverMeal.pdf
the paper actually argues for a harmonization, it just doesn't allow that theory, perhaps I should allow for a reconciled view, but just exclude that one. What do you think?
@JonEricson I should mention though that I do take it as a contradiction and was specifically looking for an explanation of why John may have intentionally used a different date to communicate something deeper to us. I tend to think his gospel was written as a mystical letter, not as a factual/historical document.
 
@DanO'Day I think you might be stuck with those sorts of answers no matter what. :-(.
@DanO'Day I actually see a surprising amount of historical details in John. More mystical/spiritual/what-have-you material too, however.
I guess, I don't like to see two copies of the same question segregated by something other than denomination.
 

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