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8:15 PM
I'm ever so bad at economics 101: how do you fight inflation? should we print more paper money (sorry, "questions") or fix prices (read "rep")?
Well, there is a price ceiling.
This is precisely what the rep cap is for.
2 days ago, by RegDwight
@JSBangs This is actually a good example of how the rep cap is not just there to "protect" newbies. It's there to protect regulars who have been onboard since the early days of the beta.
2 days ago, by RegDwight
I mean, back in the day, an excellent answer would get you what, five upvotes? Nowadays, anyone can drop by and get 20+ upvotes just because the site has grown so much.
Without the rep cap, the unstoppable tide of newbies would "overtake" this site in no time.
So, everybody gets a chance to get ahead of Robusto, because he can only get some 300 points a day, but at the same time, Robusto won't just get his ass kicked by someone who happens to post three answers with 1000 upvotes each.
Calling all @Kosmonaut ...
Q: Central Pennsylvanian English speakers: what are the limitations on the "needs washed" construction?

KosmonautIn the Central Pennsylvania dialect of English (and possibly elsewhere), the following construction is possible: This car needs washed. (=needs to be washed) The room needs cleaned. (=needs to be cleaned) It appears that, if a verb like needs is followed by a passive construction in...

Dupe of Man Tookus's question of Nov 22.
Wait, I mean ...
Q: using -ed vs. -ing

DevDeathRayI'm from Central Pennsylvania, and apparently, we have a strange language construct in this area. I was recently talking about how "my car needs washed" to a friend from NJ, and she told me that my sentence was grammatically incorrect. I realize she's right. And I realize my options are "my car...

in fact, it's such a clear, exact, duplicate (though shorter) that it's very suspicious
Going by the title, I would have never thought it could be a dupe of that question.
Very misleading.
Talk a dog off a meat truck, huh?
I heard a better one than that.
8:26 PM
Misleading, but not on purpose. That's doubly misleading.
"His breath was so foul it could knock a buzzard off a manure truck."
@Robusto Through a cornhole?
Yep. Me grandaddy was full of country witticisms.
"He was so dumb he couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel."
And my mom's personal most-hated one: "Ah'm hungry enough to eat the ass-end out of a skunk."
8:28 PM
36 secs ago, by RegDwight
I mean, eww. Gross. Haha.
Stop being such a girl. That's what real men talk like.
You mean like Kevin Bacon?
Bacon is a fruit, right?
8:41 PM
I have reached a milestone in my project! It all works!
Cue the Optimistic Voices from the Wizard of Oz!
Good evening everyone.
I'm feeling so good I think we can hear that one again:
2 mins ago, by Robusto
That's nice. However, I think y'all screwed up by closing this as a dupe:
Q: using -ed vs. -ing

DevDeathRay Possible Duplicate: Central Pennsylvanian English speakers: what are the limitations on the “needs washed” construction? I'm from Central Pennsylvania, and apparently, we have a strange language construct in this area. I was recently talking about how "my car needs washed" ...

@Martha — Uh-oh, it's Mrs. Buzzkill.
Stop harshing my mellow, lady.
8:47 PM
See? I rendered her speechless.
That wasn't speechless, that was a raspberry.
Whatever it was, it ain't speech.
Feel good for me, @Martha. I don't have to work this weekend.
I'm gathering my things and ... going ... home ...
Happy weekend to all, and to all a GOOD NIGHT.
It's not night yet.
@Martha If it's reworded with the "I now know this is wrong" part removed, it can be reopened.
As it stands, the premise is flawed.
And that is explained in that other question.
Yeah, but how does that make it a duplicate?
8:52 PM
Yeah well, you have a point.
The old question is "what can I substitute for 'washed' in 'needs washed'?" The new question is "what's the difference between 'needs to be washed' and 'needs washing'?"
Whatever, it's open again.
But now you must post an answer.
As someone from PA.
An all-encompassing one.
Including an explanation how his premise is flawed.
I'll be having some cake in the mean time.
Is it? I mean, what exactly is his premise?
> I realize she's right [that my sentence was grammatically incorrect]. And I realize my options are "my car needs TO BE washed" or "my car needs washING".
She is wrong.
He has a much better option.
@RegDwight Not for NJ she isn't.
8:55 PM
Put that in your answer.
She is right as much as she is wrong.
He has all the right in the world to speak his local dialect.
This isn't Sudan, this is NJ.
It's a free country.
Good job Martha!
I was just coming here to post what you said.
That's why I put "related" in my comment, @RegDwight.
@Billare Yes, apologies.
You can re-post it or wait for Martha to include it in her answer.
Is she in fact writing one?
She better be.
Motor Vehicle Maintenance and Repairmechanics.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for mechanics and DIY enthusiast owners of cars, trucks, and motorcycles

Currently in public beta.

how did Motor vechicles get started in the first place
it's as dead as a doornail
9:07 PM
Listen to the podcast.
Worst stats I've ever seen on the network.
Jeff and Joel had very interesting things to say.
I didn't listen to it completely...I think they analogize to DIY
And say that mechanics might not go an attend MVMR because they don't directly work on the computer
Still don't know why that explains how the proposal, which required 200 committers, has only 40 ppl over 200+ rep
Actually, they kinda explained that.
Everyone specializes in a brand.
So if most questions are about Ford, and you're all into Subaru, you won't get over 200 any time soon.
9:12 PM
Plus, it could be more deserted because those people aren't logged in 24/7.
Unlike, say, programmers.
> Over on mechanics.stackexchange.com, Jeff wonders why online car communities are so brand-centric — there are hundreds of dedicated sites for Ford enthusiasts, and Subaru enthusiasts, and so forth. Whereas programmers can have Java and Python installed side by side on the same PC, you have to own a lot of physical, real world vehicles to have experience with many different car brands — or, be an auto mechanic.
> Stack Exchange sites do well in professions where you can open a relevant Stack Exchange site in a window side-by-side with the work you’re already doing on the computer. But what about people who don’t regularly work on computers? Is it realistic to expect people who tend to work offline to take the time and effort to come online after they finish working and keep discussing their work?
And anyhow, there's still the general rule that not every site will succeed.
We're in the top 10 or even top 3 by many metrics, but not everyone can be so lucky.
There'll always be the long tail.
@RegDwight, there's a real sense of quality here. And to some degree kindness. Some other forums are more... say, geekish.
And there's a greater sense of humour here too.
Yeah, but the thing is, geekish doesn't automatically mean unpopular.
It's not completely orthogonal, but not the only defining factor, either.
I can see in the upper right corner of that very window 57 users in 28 rooms and I can count 9 gravatars.
I'm sure Mechanics is as geeky as it gets, in its own sense.
@AlainPannetier Well, I am usually in several rooms at once.)))
Actually I've never connected to that forum. Didn't even know about it before @Billare mentioned it.
@Dori beats you for this.
9:24 PM
Well, that's her job.
To beat me.
@RegDwight Damn, I knew I was letting something slip…
The beatings shall now commence!
@Dori I get enough beating from Jin, thank you.
Q: All mods are equal, but some mods are more equal than others

RegDwight/about: Dear Jin, this is funny and all, but... but... BUT! (Opera, Chrome, Firefox; Vista.)

Oddly, it's correct on meta
I'm pretty sure it used to be correct on the main site, too.
@Dori, I can see you in so many rooms, that I'm sometimes tempted to send you a captcha.
9:30 PM
@AlainPannetier You should take a look sometime at how many @Rebecca is in
@RegDwight Haha, awesome. I knew I was following the wrong role model.
@RegDwight That's friggin' hilarious. :D
@Martha Thank you for the answer to the PA question.
Much appreciated.
I can see this is a serious contest. I already find it hard enough to follow the things happening here. Today I had to look up "harshing my mellow" and a few more... and even "tookus" was a new word for me. EL&U is a kind of crash course for me...
In other news, I am now completely comfortable handcrafting markdown links, images and references.
Stupid Javascript.
9:34 PM
@MrHen Hear, hear.
Anyway, I have to go. Jr is asking for his evening story. Night all.
Also, for anyone really not paying attention, Mother's Day is this Sunday.
Oh, wait, you probably didn't mean the effing jquery checkbox tree I'm fighting with at work.
@Martha Fortunately, I have completely avoided all use of jQuery professionally.
Although I still have to explain that Java is not related to JavaScript. :P
@MrHen My boss almost always says "Java" when he means "JavaScript". The problem is, sometimes when he says "Java" he actually means "Java". It's very annoying.
9:36 PM
@RegDwight I've posted an answer to your question that might make things a tad faster for Jin to fix.
@MrHen Hey, I made a good living doing that from '97 to now
@Dori Hm. To each their own. I prefer not explaining the same things over and over to the same people
@Martha Just tell him to stop meaning Java. Ever.
@MrHen Write it once. Sell it to each of those people. Profit!
It is admittedly funny when they throw Java Beans into the mix.
@Dori No, see, it is the same people.
Specifically person, actually.
9:40 PM
@MrHen Me, I would make them buy a copy of the book every time they blow it (but I understand that not everyone has that option)
@RegDwight I am assuming that you don't mind me flagging those older questions like I have been
let me know if it bugs you :)
@Dori Yeah, well, technically they are paying me to explain it to them over and over... so that sort of counts ;)
@MrHen Well, just keep an eye on your flag weight.)))
@RegDwight Actually, I'd kind of prefer him to always mean "Java". Because he'd need to write that himself. But if it's JavaScript, then I need to write it. And I hates it, I really does.
MrHen will be a Deputy soon.
@MrHen Nah, I'd get bored silly if I had to keep saying it. At some point I would just make flashcards and start holding them up.
9:41 PM
@RegDwight Well... sure. But I'd rather preemptively not bug you than suddenly realize I was doing it wrong. :)
@Martha JavaScript has been very very good to me.
@MrHen Well, you're not bugging me, there are like 12 mods on this site.
I try to space them out at least and only flag them when I inadvertently encounter them.
@RegDwight Yeah, but the lowly one always gets the work. I know how it is.
@Dori My brain just doesn't work that way. I like a nice understandable linear progression.
9:43 PM
For the record, I have nothing against JavaScript. I just don't need^H^H^H^Huse it for anything I do.
@Dori, actually, the one JavaScript book we have here at work is the 1999 edition of your "JavaScript for the World Wide Web, 3rd Edition". :)
@Martha Things have changed a tad since the 3rd edition. ;-) Consider buying the eighth (available some time after I finish writing it, sadly).
Yeah, well, I don't actually use the book much. I find stuff online and muddle through.
(I have a comment there down towards the end)
Oh, I don't mean pirating - I mean I find free JQuery code or the like and try to adapt it to my purposes, mostly by trial and error. Well, mostly error.
9:49 PM
@Dori That's some serious pitch.
@Martha No, no, that was just his take—I was mostly referring to the way he says that book sales have tumbled, and one of the main reasons his commenters gave for not buying books is Stack Overflow.
10:01 PM
Here's an answer that ended up being the opposite of what I expected:
A: What is the origin of the phrase "you've got another thing coming"?

MrHenWell, the phrase was older than I expected. NGrams reports the following matches for the phrases "got another thing coming" and "have another thing coming": Here is snap from 1906 (I think. I am still learning how Google Books works.): As for your other question, "you've got another think c...

Heh. So "another thing coming" is the hypercorrected version of "another think coming"?
@MrHen I liked this part most:
10:30 PM
@RegDwight Odd how the 'image not available' image is so huge - the actual image you're not seeing is something like 400x50 px.
@Martha Yeah, I kept wondering whether it was a whole page from a book or something...
Oh, and the edit doesn't help, @Martha.
Well, shucks.
More drastic measures are forthcoming.
I just commented.
You're ahead of me.
There, that ought to sidestep all image-access issues.
Very elegant!
10:40 PM
If that worked, you might want to delete all our now-pointless comments.
I know.)))
As opposed to all our comments that are pointless from the get-go. :D
I have killed like ten now-pointless exchanges four days ago or so, by googling for "thanks. fixed".
10:55 PM
@RegDwight Stop breaking my answers!
I'm only screenshotting your answers. (Screenshooting? Screensheeting? Screenshitting?)
11:12 PM
Howdy, guys.
Oh noes, we've reduced us l33tness speakness?
I figured that's not your usual greeting, Reg, but sorry to offend you if so.
It's Friday night, and way past @RegDwight's bedtime.
/kick all offenders
@Martha Yeah, I'm having a fun time looking at all the various manifestations of that bug.
Diago rules them all.
Aw, you mean it doesn't just affect you? Meh. Now it's not so funny anymore.
11:20 PM
Aaaand it's been fixed.
In the next build, that is.
@Martha Yeah well, this is via another room where people started checking their sites.
Me, I only care about ELU.
And unicorns.
It still would've better as a conspiracy specifically directed at you.
Yes, and I am quite offended that it isn't.
Once the fix goes through, I think you need to post an Eeeek! question somewhere.
(One E is missing, BTW.)
Right, sorry. (Editing.)
11:25 PM
I'm sure Diago will complain.
I know the number of e's dictates the severity, but isn't an exclamation always required?
Again, you're right, sorry. Sheesh. You'd think as the meme originator I'd do better than that.
@Martha Good job. ;)
I blame this stupid project at work.
And my boss.
Everything's his fault.
And Java. Never forget to blame Java.
11:27 PM
Java*Script*, you mean.
No, I'm not your boss, so when I say Java I mean Java.
Whoever chooses to use Java is to blame.
Sigh. I mean you ought to say, and thus mean, JavaScript. Java I have no problem with, because I just tell the boss, "Sorry, I don't know the first thing about writing Java, you'll have to do that project."
@Martha I know that. You're repeating yourself.
My point is that you should always blame Java.
That's why I said that you should always blame Java.
Whether you have a problem with it is completely orthogonal to my request.
11:31 PM
(You know, I do read your stuff.)
((Now just read mine.))
But I don't wanna blame Java. I wanna blame JavaScript.
Feb 10 at 16:01, by RegDwight
Even @RegDwight doesn't read all of @RegDwight's crap!
@Martha And that you can!
And my boss. Gotta blame my boss.
That's his job. To be blamed.
Someone needs to tell him of this. [snip]
11:34 PM
The jQuery 'all' selector could do with its share, too.
@Martha You know the transcript is public, right?
Yeah, yeah, I'm debating.
Now only the mods can see it.)))
So unless he plans to run for mod on, say, Parenting and Farming Organically, you're safe.
@RegDwight Not bloody likely. Although he does have one of my (work-related) questions on SO bookmarked.
The plot thickens.
11:37 PM
Not really. I practically had to hold his hand to get him to find that question.
Zis is a maus. Click hier.
Anyway, speaking of work, I need to get this stupid project into semi-working (or at least appears-to-be-working) shape tonight, so I'd better go.
"What is this? It's a table. What is this? It's a pen. What is this? It's a mouse."
CU Martha.
I think I'll go check what's on TV.
Bye, Martha.
@RegDwight Argh, man, TV; sometimes I just regret it.
I caught a Kent Hovind show - I could and might hit up Skeptics for some free rep.
11:42 PM
Mar 2 at 13:33, by RegDwight
Though I must say, I used to not own a TV set for like three years in a row, back in 1998 or something. And I didn't miss it at all after a while. And it's only after I got married that I got a PC + some Internets at home.
...intriguing. I could live without it, to be fair. Only very rarely watch it.
@Cerberus still doesn't have TV.
Probably for the best.
Yeah, they only speak Dutch on TV where he lives.
Proper German or no German at all. Vrow Antje, leave the hall!
If they spoke Latin and Ancient Greek on TV, Cerberus would own like five TV sets.
For me the proper German would only be Double Dutch anyway.
11:47 PM
Apr 14 at 12:38, by RegDwight
user image
Does anybody actually speak those languages anywhere? Let alone on TV..
That's a novel image, thanks for that.
The buck stops with the Mars language.
Maybe we need a MLU proposal?
Yes, but let us not spread too thin.
10 hours ago, by Kosmonaut
I am going to have to create Frisian Language and Usage.
First things first.
11:54 PM
The diagram is not complete; we say è cinese and è marziano too.
<makes notes>
You didn't mention that the last time I posted it!
Oh shit, I fracked the company home page. Better fix it..
@RegDwight I don't say all secrets the first time.
Yes, you mafiosi are like that!
For example, I didn't tell you my second name is Vincenzo.
11:57 PM
And your family name is di Gogho?
Vincenzo like, you know, Don Vincenzo.
Don L to the X here.
Last time I checked, my last name was Paderno.
Then you're not a famous painter.
Also that is said to be a southern Italian last name.
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