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7:00 PM
@Cerberus Well, when nicely executed, yes. Many mobile phones can do very similar things now.
 
The CueCat comes in at #20 on the all-time worst list.
 
That top 5 is quite convincing! I actually used Win ME for years at my parents', I think.
 
What the article doesn't mention, they had like 5000 employees and were burning millions of dollars every single day.
 
@Reg: It was mainly the idea of a cat that I liked.
 
Of course, there was this:
The Office Assistant was a Microsoft Office feature to assist users by way of an interactive animated character, which interfaced with the Office help content. It used technology initially from Microsoft Bob and later Microsoft Agent, offering advice based on Bayesian algorithms. In Microsoft Office for Windows, it was included in versions 97 to 2003. In Microsoft Office for Mac, it was included in versions 98 to 2004. The default assistant in the English Windows version was named Clippit, nicknamed Clippy, after a paperclip. The character was designed by Kevan J. Atteberry. Usually Clippy...
 
7:02 PM
@Robusto You had me at "was a Microsoft..."
 
Ahhh yes the Office Ass should get a decent score on any such top.
 
This is one thing that made me want to take my PC out into the woods and bury it. And while I was burying it, I bet the damned paper clip would pop up and say "Looks like you're digging a hole! Would you like information about ..."
 
And then the inquisition would exhume it and burn it at the stake, and it would be giving them useful advice, too!
 
Yeah I still remember the day I discovered how to turn it off, and the magnificent animation of its turning into a bike and wheeling off into oblivion.
 
"Information about MURDER, Clippy! Muwahahaha!!!"
@Cerberus — They call that a "parting shot" ...
 
7:05 PM
Right!
I have been wondering about something: when the emergency power units failed in Fukushima, why didn't they get some from another, undamaged plant elsewhere?
 
^that made no sense
 
No? Why not?
 
@Cerberus — No undamaged plants. The tsunami took out everything.
 
@Rob: Not on the west coast...
 
They had hours to react. Not days.
 
7:11 PM
Plus almost all of the plants were in an emergency state
 
Even if it would have taken two days, that might have been much better than this.
 
To Top that
 
All plants? Even so, it was immediately clear that this plant needed emergency power more than any other.
 
all these lousy indian news channels are busy showing the shallow politics of the country and the cash for votes wikileak
 
7:12 PM
At least they could have flown over battery packs from others plants whose emergency power did function?
 
I am pretty sure all these options crossed their minds, too.
We shouldn't assume that if they are not doing something obvious to us, it's them who is stupid and us who are smart.
 
+1 logician
 
@Reg: Yes, I am sure they did. Of course I don't know as much about this as those guys do. But this is a missing piece of information with which I would understand the logic of most of what has been happening.
 
Fair to say, but there are always tons of missing pieces of information in such situations.
 
digressing
 
7:16 PM
Don't expect to be the first one to be thoroughly informed.
 
@Reg: Can you find that article I linked from the nuke expert in chat here the other day?
 
True; but experts seem to explain most of the stuff quite neatly, at least for me—except this.
 
I'm looking but my search skills ain't a patch on yours.
 
Mar 14 at 17:00, by Robusto
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/
 
Wow. Is he good or what?
 
7:17 PM
I get the impression that those battery packs are big, and the transport infrastructure was rather stuffed by the quake and tsunami
 
@Rob and @Reg: Thanks! Reading...
 
They just wanted to shut you up for a while ;)
 
@Rhodri: But would they be too big to transport by air? I should expect the nuclear plants to have priority...
@Chun: Then that's what I shall be doing!
 
@RegDwight Fascinating. Thanks for the read.
 
You should be thanking Robusto.
 
7:20 PM
Man, I think in a state of panic, you would not be able to foresee disasters
 
@Cerberus Challenging, certainly.
 
Disasters are caused by error cascades.
 
@n0nChun That's why you would be trained not to panic in the first place.
 
Would you be trained to survive a tsunami ?
 
Those places are not run by sissy girls.
 
7:22 PM
or hussies ;)
 
I would not, but I am not working in a freaking nuclear plant.
 
@RegDwight — No, they're run by very butch, manly girls.
 
@n0nChun I know that visitors to Japan are trained in earthquake survival.
 
gtg ttyl
 
cu
 
7:23 PM
you guys work together?
which place ?
 
Who?
Where?
Why?
 
reg, robusto, martha
don't know. that's why i ask
felt like asking
 
Hey I thought beta radiations consisted of neutron pairs? The article mentions "beta radiation, ... neutrons".
 
(They work together on their plot to take over the world, yes.)
 
7:25 PM
Typing is harder ?
 
Yes it is, for Reg.
Non-native speaker and all.
ducks
 
+1
 
don
don't tell me you made that in power point
 
@n0nChun Seriously though, teach a man to fish and all.
 
7:26 PM
He probably Googled it.
(It still looks serial-killerish to me, but whatever...)
 
If I search for and link to three user profiles rather than just typing "no", you better be damn sure that I'm doing it for a reason.
@n0nChun And you can still edit stuff here. No need to post "don" twice.))
 
Uhh Sorry!
 
No prob.
It's just that I thought you were about to refer to me as Don Reggio, and was rather disappointed to see that you weren't.
 
non native!
 
You speak in puzzles.
 
7:32 PM
where do you work ?
I like puzzles :) Where do you work?
 
I work in Hell, Michigan.
 
Dell ?
:P
 
Aiee! I'm about to be late for choir practice. See you.
 
Am learning the guitar
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
 
@n0nChun No, Hell. That's an H. It's almost the same as D. BTW, how do you make that upside-down Ь?
 
7:35 PM
wtf! it's a pee
 
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Guitarsguitars.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for guitar players and musicians.

Currently in public beta.

 
Hey reg, sorry I might not be getting some of your jokes
Hope to catch up :)
 
I figure-skated as much.
 
:)
 
@RegDwight I'm not sure if that deserves a "Thwack" or an "eh?"
 
7:38 PM
I'm not begging, @Martha. Feel free to thwack me on your own terms.
I'm just messing with n0nChun a little bit.
I'm the first-level boss. You get to fight against Robusto only at the very end.
 
let me fight the pawns first?
 
Feb 21 at 13:29, by Robusto
Andrew Soltis
Random House Puzzles & Games

Some 250 years ago, the great Philidor wrote, "The pawns are the soul of chess." Although that statement is perhaps the most common cliche in the literature of the game, it is too often misunderstood.Pawns are usually considered weak because of their limited range of movement. But the pawns' restricted mobility is precisely what makes them so important strategically: they form a semi-permanent structure -- often called a "pawn skeleton" -- that establishes the territorial lines of the coming battle and thus the nature of the battle itself. Understanding how pawns affect strategy is the subject of this important book. In it you will learn:-- how to handle the characteristic pawn structure of each opening "family" and each major variation-- how to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of pawn chains-- when to exchange pawns in the center -- and when not to-- how to cramp your opponent's position and what to do if your opponent cramps yours-- how to create and exploit pawn "holes"...and much, much more, all copiously illustrated by complete games from actual play.
 
reg, you can call me Chun
n0nn is my gf's nick :)
 
Thank you, Chun. You can call me Sir Reginald Kenneth Dwight, Commander of the Order of the British Empire.
 
+11
Haha
I'll call you "Sir"
 
7:42 PM
If you behave, you get to meet my friend Karl Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg.
 
martha?
THWACK time?
or moment
 
You have to at-mention her.
 
or whatever :P
@martha
 
And it's not thwack time. Like, at all.
Mar 1 at 14:29, by RegDwight
Karl-Theodor Freiherr zu Guttenberg (full name: Karl Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg; born 5 December 1971) is a German politician of the Christian Social Union (CSU), who served as the Minister of Defence of Germany in the second Merkel cabinet from 28 October 2009 to 1 March 2011. A Member of Parliament since 2002, Guttenberg briefly held the post of Secretary General of his party before he was appointed as Federal Minister for Economics and Technology in the first Merkel cabinet on 10 February 2009. After taking office...
Just try and thwack the German Minister of Defense, former or not, I dare you, @n0nChun.
 
hehe
sheepish laugh
 
7:45 PM
You also have to watch the videos I link. It's a must.
No excuses.
 
@n0nChun, I don't see any puns. So no thwacking from me. But you can feel free to employ your ruler in whatever manner you see fit.
 
In the mean time, I'll be having supper.
 
Ok madam martha
 
What's up with Gutti?
Hasn't he been sacked yet?
 
You wish.
 
7:48 PM
(Sometimes it seems noblesse n'oblige point...)
But he is going to be sacked?
 
Oh come on. "who served as the Minister of Defence of Germany in the second Merkel cabinet from 28 October 2009 to 1 March 2011."
 
Oh sorry I didn't read that.
 
I noticed as much.
Anyhow, me, supper. You, in charge.
 
Rob's link was a good read, with some good related articles as well; but it didn't explain why the mobile generators didn't work, or at least not well enough...
Thanks, captain! catches hat
I just hate 7-meter tsunamis, bah.
 
not the 15m ones ?
 
7:54 PM
Well those too. But the one that hit the plant was 7 meters high, while it was designed to withstand 6.5 meters, so...
 
Ouch
 
The Charlie Sheen question is now officially famous.
 
can anyone please look at my comment on this english.stackexchange.com/questions/16610/…
it got lost amongst pyramids of crap
 
@Reg: Yoichi deserves his fame; he is probably not too cheerful these days.
 
I sure hope everything is fine with him and his loved ones.
 
8:08 PM
Absolutely.
 
Please take look
Reg and Cer
 
@n0n: To be honest I kept as far from that question as I could, because I don't know quite enough about the subject...
 
Sir and sir
heeh
Sir and Cer ;)
 
Yay.
 
Frankly, I am not qualified, either. Let the community be the judge. Oh, and thwack.
 
8:12 PM
how many users do we have on eng.stack
 
Roughly 5600 registered.
And I dunno how many unregistered ones.
 
oh, good. got to publicize it here
i'll do my bit
 
6,042 registered and unregistered.
 
it's 1:47 here
exact 12 hrs difference
is it server time? where are the servers?
 
The chat server is in Oregon. All time stamps are UTC.
 
8:21 PM
Shut Eye time!
See Ye people!
 
Bye!
 
Eeeek is officially a meme:
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Q: Eeeek! Why is StackOverflow naked?

BrunoLM It just seems wrong. In my opinion it looks awful. Will it be like that from now on? :S

(Although I have absolutely no idea what this question is going on about. SO doesn't look any different to me.)
 
Uh, I have no idea what...
Beat me to it.
The screenshot looks totally normal to me.
 
Time stamps are UTC? Oh, in the permalink thing (not in regular chat).
 
@Martha Going by the comments, this is what it is all about:
That's how it used to be.
Now the colored rectangles are gone.
 
8:33 PM
I still see green rectangles. I guess I haven't been a regular on SO lately, so I didn't even notice the lack of red rectangles.
 
Yeah, you're right. The green ones are still there.
Either way, it's a very poorly formulated question.
 
Yeah. Misuse of Eeeek, if you ask me.
 
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Q: Eeeek! What happened to the "Eeeek! What happened to my envelope?" question?

Phrogz Possible Duplicate: What topics can be discussed here? I mailed this link to someone 6 days ago: http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/82538/eeeek-what-happened-to-my-envelope It was working then. It doesn't work now. Was this question gently closed and deleted by the community, har...

 
I just added a comment to that.
 
And now it's upvoted. Twice.
OMG. @Robusto, we killed Atheism. Your close-vote was the tipping point.
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Q: Atheism is being closed 3/18; does that mean at 00:00 after 3/17 or 00:00 after 3/18?

mfgI know this may seem like a dumb question, but to clarify [Atheism.se is being] "closed on 3/18." Does that mean tomorrow morning, it will be locked; or does it mean that at the end of tomorrow it will be locked? I just posted a bounty and want to know when I need to award it by.

Direct link to Robert's post:
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A: Is the site likely to get out of beta?

Robert CartainoIt's not looking good. I try not to draw conclusions until significant time has passed for a site to grow. It's not at all unusual for a Stack Exchange site to show flat traffic, going horizontal for awhile before hitting critical mass, then WHOOSH suddenly taking off inexorably. But Atheism's ...

They just don't want me to get my thirty-somethingth Fanatic badge. Sheeesh.
 
8:59 PM
Ok, this is bad. I keep trying to use Markdown syntax in the html pages I'm working on.
 
@Martha I used to face a similar problem back when I was way too active on Wikipedia/Wiktionary.
Dupe alert:
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Q: Preposition confusion

XcoderTo me the hardest thing in English is preposition and i make mistakes here. Fore example i confuse: "it is difficult for me" and "it is difficult to me" Is there any rule?

There you go, @Martha!
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A: The Many Memes of Meta

drachensternMeme: Eeeek! Usage: Eeeek! {Observation of horrible, terrible, thing that has happened somewhere in the SE2.0 codebase}? Originator: Marti First Seen: 4 Mar. 2011 ~ Eeeek what happened to my envelope? (sorry guys, 10k only) Cultural Height: Probably still to be reached, given the increase of...

 
9:21 PM
Meh. @drachenstern included a bunch of misleading links about how the envelope was hated. The false positives were hated, maybe. (Most of us just ignored the color of the envelope.) I haven't seen anyone bashing /users/recent.
 
It's CW. You can fix it.)))
 
Yeah, I'm supposed to be working. And it'd be better to cool down a bit before I attempt any edits.
 
9:48 PM
@martha et al. -- ha ; I'm in the same boat regarding working. But I thought I'd drop in here and say hello anyway.
 
Hey! I've been wanting to ask you about the heraldry you use as your avatar.
 
Oh, boy -- I took it from a site which I will have to look up. It purported to take some traits and turn them into symbolically corresponding heraldic symbols.
 
Yay heraldry!
 
ha.
 
Does anyone know what a crowned cow/bull is supposed to mean?
 
9:52 PM
(I can't quite blazon it. Something like "Per chevron embattled sable and gules, in sinister chief a domestic cat couchant reguardant argent, in base four [can't tell what type of critter] rampant, one, two, and one, Or.")
 
I used this one eventually because I thought the leaping goats were amusing, and I liked the cat. I believe I changed the colors slightly.
 
@Cerberus, IMO anybody who tries to assign a single meaning to heraldic charges is trying to sell you a load of horse pucky.
 
Martha do you know stuff about heraldry? If so could you take a look at this?
 
(My leaping goats may be leaping stags ... I'd have to find the original at home.)
 
Even if no definite meaning can ever be assigned, I'd be interested...
 
9:55 PM
@Cerberus I had a nice set of links from wikimedia.fr that had a lot of alleged meanings I hadn't seen before
of course, that's on my home computer, and I'm at work.
 
Ah ok, you mean different symbols with explanations, that kind of stuff?
 
Every heraldic author has his own set of meanings. Usually totally contradictory to someone else's meanings. A coat of arms means what you want it to mean, generally.
 
@Cerberus yes, that's right
Canada's coat of arms even has a unicorn rampant, which I considered swiping for stackexchange.
 
@Martha: Yeah, sounds logical... but I think the anchors have a somewhat common meaning.
 
(If I remember correctly)
 
9:56 PM
Unicorns rule!
 
The only time a meaning can be definitely assigned is in canting arms, i.e. a fox for someone named Fuchs and that sort of thing. In which case the meaning is no deeper than that: the fox is an allusion (a heraldic pun, if you will) to the family name.
 
Well if any of you ever see a crowned cow in a coat of arms, please let me know.
The cow is also on the crest btw.
 
The classic joke is "Heralds don't pun, they cant."
 
cant, as in arcane speak?
 
No, as in tilt. Sorta.
 
9:58 PM
@RegDwight — Hey, I had nothing to do with it. But seriously, there's not a lot of Q&A you can do with atheism anyway. It's more of a discussion kind of topic.
 
@jgbelacqua Now that's a tough one. TinEye, Byo, and Gazopa return nothing.
 
Oh, right.
 
Is there a bug with bounties?
 
@Rob: Agreed.
 
I'm not gaining reputation on some of my posts when I post bounties, I think.
 
9:58 PM
this is a fun site -- I don't see any meanings, though. inkwellideas.com/coat_of_arms
 
@Robusto Yup.
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A: To death with polling questions! To death with them all.

CesarGonWhen you think about it, a Q&A site does only make real sense when it is about a topic for which a large number of questions may be posed. These questions need to meet two properties: They need to be non-trivial and in large supply. If we are re-asking the same thing again and again, we are...

 
@Cerberus, see s-gabriel.org/heraldry
 
@Billare Linky please.
 
By the way, a crown on top of the shield(?), instead of a helmet, means nobility normally. But the crown on the cow is probably nothing (I ain't no nobleman).
 
@Robusto: though I think it's Borror0 who really nailed it.
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A: Is the site likely to get out of beta?

Borror0It would require divine intervention to salvage the site. Oh, wait...

 
10:00 PM
11
Q: Why do we call our lovers "baby"?

JoshIt is common in American English and culture to refer to one's lover or significant other as "baby" or "babe", for example: Come on baby, light my fire! 1 or I got you, I won't let go. I got you to love me so. I got you babe! 2 Where does this usage come from? What's the history behin...

 
@Cerberus, that's correct re: crowns. Many cultures used crowns extensively in armory; the only use that was restricted was using a crown instead of a helm.
 
@RegDwight that's just about perfect.
 
My activity board says +49, but I have 8 upvotes. Can that be explained somehow?
Maybe it's the repcap...argh
 
@Martha: I I believe the number of balls(?) on the crown means something too: a friend of my mother's used to jokingly brag how she had five balls because she was French nobility.
 
@Billare That's what it sounds like to me.
 
10:02 PM
@Billare did you downvote?
 
It's bogus that you are rep-capped even when bounty
 
@Billare Hm. You did hit the rep cap for today, but I don't see how that would explain it... What does your rep report say? /reputation
 
So it must be better to bounty late in the day then, after you've gatherd all your rep.
 
I'm sure there's a meta.stackoverflow on it....
 
So best to bounty at like 7:30...
 
10:04 PM
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A: How does starting a bounty interact with exceeding the reputation cap?

Richard aka cyberkiwiBounty is excluded from rep cap. If your bounty is 200, you cannot recover it from questions - sorry. The 200/day rep cap applies (only) to +10 Your Answer was upvoted + 5 Your Question was upvoted + 2 Accept answer to a question + 2 Your Suggested Edit was accepted - 2 Your Question/Answer was...

 
@Cerberus They're called pearls, and some countries have rules about how many pearls you can have based on your rank. Other countries have no such rules, or contradictory rules. And just because the regalia (the physical crowns) are restricted doesn't necessarily mean that use of pictures of crowns on heraldry is restricted. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
 
+120 12 hours ago 12 votes What single word describes the ability to think analytically?
+49 33 mins ago 8 votes Why do we call our lovers “baby”?
+10 19 hours ago upvote Would you say “it's impolite” to your kids?
+5 16 hours ago upvote What does the phrase “God and my twin vicars” mean?
+4 11 hours ago 2 votes “Why is this not” versus “why is not this”
+2 7 hours ago edit Is the word “savage” offensive?
+2 19 hours ago accept Is “wot wot” or “what-what” an authentic British expression? If it's supposed to be mocking, what is it mocking?
 
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Q: Reputation cap ignores reputation paid for bounty offerings

SLaksI hit my reputation cap, offered a bounty, and got 13 more upvotes after offering the bounty. The 13 upvotes didn't generate any reputation, so I was stuck at 150 reputation gained today (until one of my answers got accepted). (No, they weren't Community Wiki) Why can't I regain the reputation...

So it appears you're out of luck.
 
Ah well...
All I really want to do is use rep for more bounties anyway..
 
I wonder why they (over)complicate the rep cap so much.
 
10:07 PM
@Martha: Ah, I see. That is rather complicated, possibly varying rules for physical objects and pictures. I believe lower nobility in Holland are not supposed to have more than 3 pearls or something on their coats of arms.
 
What they want is for the rep to trickle like a steady stream of addiction.
 
@Martha I don't think it's overcomplicating. It's probably oversimplifying, from the coder's point of view.
 
Weaning you from your habit by allowing you to reach your goals isn't Management's objective. Hence the rep-cap and easy ways to bump up against it.
 
Well, see, it seems to me that the current method requires knowing a whole bunch of stuff about what else a user did that day. Wouldn't it be simpler to say "200 points from upvotes, tops"?
 
And iff they are overcomplicating, it's probably to prevent abuse. (At least that's a very popular reason.) Otherwise Robusto could be placing 100-rep bounties every single day and still hitting 300 points himself.
 
10:10 PM
Management's wishes and community wishes aren't entirely coincident.
 
@Billare Well, we are burning their money. They are only burning our time.
 
I don't think all their moves are just well-considered and magnanimous.
 
But generally speaking, lots of things here are surely more complicated than they seem. Just look at the badge descriptions, and then look at the actual badge descriptions over at MSO.
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Q: List of all badges with full descriptions

Popular DemandWhat is each badge? Jump to: Regular badges A-L and M-Z Tag badges Badge families Area 51 badges Return to FAQ index NOTE: Some badges are awarded based on score. The term score, in this context, means the total amount of upvotes minus the total amount of downvotes.

Populist description on any SE site: "Answer outscored an accepted answer with score of more than 10 by more than 2x". Factually correct Populist description: "Provide an answer that meets all of the following criteria:
- it is the highest scoring answer on the question
- it does not have the accepted checkmark
- it has a score of at least 23
- it has more than double the score of the accepted answer
- the accepted answer has a score of at least 11"
Actually, the description on SE sites used to say "...10 or more..." and "...at least 2x...". At least they fixed that.
 
11:17 PM
Posted by Rebecca Chernoff on March 17th, 2011

We’re excited to announce that Wednesday, April 6th, 2011, is World-Wide Stack Overflow MeetUp Day!

We commonly say that Stack Overflow is run by the community. We also commonly say that Stack Overflow is not a social networking site. There’s no private messaging. There’s no “friends” list. The entire focus is on the knowledge shared. So, when interest arises to organize world-wide “meet ups”, we need a little help from you.

Stack Overflow users are a diverse group of people, spread all over the world (there’s a lot of green on that map!). To get everyone involved in this year’s MeetUp, we would like to organize into local groups by getting everyone in each area together… all at the same time. We are making it easy for anyone to organize a local group or find one of the groups already meeting up face-to-face. Meetups.com provides just that service.  …

 
11:43 PM
Meetup on a Wednesday? How is that supposed to work?
 
@RegDwight — Yep, nailed it.
 
@Martha That would be a good kick-off question for the meetup chat.
 
Oh, by the way, this whole thing in Japan reminds me of a great quote from Will Durant:
"Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice."
 
Should be universal rather than geological.
At least that's what Mimi Leder and Michael Bay suggest.
 
Would this be an OK question:
> What is a good linguistic/philosophical explanation of the difference between the words "cause" and "reason" as used in regular speech?
 
11:58 PM
It certainly would be an awfully long tag name.))
 
Hehe that was a test.
 
Are you, like, playing Tetris or something? This is not Emacs!
 
I apologize.
 
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