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RubenVerg

08:49

alright, added a bunch more links

there's still some things I'm not sure where to link to though

Adám

btw, we advertised Omnibar in the Array Cast episode that'll be published Friday night.

RubenVerg

oh cool! thanks a lot

Adám

@RubenVerg +y Identity can link to Conjugate

= Rank can either link to the readme or to aplwiki.com/wiki/Rank

< Major cell to readme or aplwiki.com/wiki/Major_cell

∨ Demote can say it is like ,[⍳2] then link to aplwiki.com/wiki/Ravel#With_axis

RubenVerg

@Adám hmm, I don't think that would be very clear, currently the links always point to the primitive itself

Adám

OK, then people can go look for , themselves.

x∘y has ??? but could just say "same as +.× but only for matrices"

⎕ and ⍞ can link to aplwiki.com/wiki/Quad_name

typo in "corrersponding"

For ⌸ it looks like you only put in the wiki link because one would see them all together, but there's no guarantee of that in the future where one might filter. I'd add the link to all.

# and ## can link to help.dyalog.com/latest/#Language/Introduction/Namespaces/…

RubenVerg

09:04

@Adám also the ones with dictionary? it isn't explained on the wiki

Adám

@RubenVerg No, they need to go to the readme

typo: "argumennt"

⍧ and % need readme links

and ⍮

typo: "anonimous"

⍺ etc. can link to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_function

But not the special ones ⍶ and ⍺⍺⍺!

They need link to respective places.

Inverse has aplwiki.com/wiki/Inverse though it doesn't mention the unusual syntax.

⌂ should say "First character of a dfns workspace name" and link to aplwiki.com/wiki/Dfns_workspace

' aplwiki.com/wiki/String

RubenVerg

thanks, you're really helpful

@Adám not convinced by this one — is wikipedia the best resource available?

Adám

APL Wiki doesn't have much detail, instead relying on Wikipedia, since Roger Hui wrote most of that.

We should really edit that Wikipedia article to mention additional implementations that have dfns, and mention hyperators, alternate glyphs (⍶), and axis.

RubenVerg

09:22

@Adám hmm okay, should I also change the current links to the APL wiki for {}?

Adám

I guess.

Hey, what about other uses of {}?

RubenVerg

what other uses?

oh in tradfn headers?

Adám

yup

Where also there's an additional usage of ;

RubenVerg

how to explain tradfn {}?

Adám

{} Shy result Indicate that tradfn result is shy

{} Optional left arg Indicate that left argument is optional

Note that the latter is unique to Dyalog as other APLs always assume the left arg is optional.

RubenVerg

09:32

does the first standard have those?

Adám

I don't think so. {} weren't even typable.

RubenVerg

huh, interesting. what about ;?

Adám

That's old.

(Although Dyalog recently allowed additional lines after the header to ;list;more;locals)

RubenVerg

pushed a few changes

Adám

You now have adjacent links "WikipediaGitHub"

RubenVerg

09:41

oh oops

there, fixed it

Adám

@RubenVerg Created aplwiki.com/wiki/Comment so ⍝ can link to it.

RubenVerg

thanks! added it

oh, inline comments are a cool feature

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Q: Best way to import and handle non-rectangular (ragged) data

I am studying APL and I am facing this problem: in real life cases, it is common to deal with non-rectangular datasets (imagine importing data from a SQL database where the "count(*) ... group by ..." gives different counts for different groups). I have setup an example where I import a time seri...

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RubenVerg

11:10

I can't remember if I already mentioned that I moved omnibar to omnibar.rubenverg.com

Adám

Yes, you did. Btw, for now, it should maybe be mentioned somewhere on APL Wiki. Can you browse around and see if you can find a good spot for it. abrudz.github.io/voc shold also be mentioned somewhere.

RubenVerg

@Adám maybe under learning resources? not sure under which subcategory, though

the voc already appears under Documentation Suites, btw

maybe omnibar could go there too?

Adám

@RubenVerg I don't think it is for learning as much as studying. We really should have a "Comparison of APL dialects" page which belongs in the "Overview" section of aplwiki.com/wiki/Template:APL_dialects

RubenVerg

11:28

sounds like a big article, also how would it be formatted? just a list of dialects with a list of features on each, and leave the "comparison" part to the reader, or with some kind of large table?

I think omnibar fits in the documentation suites page while that article doesn't exist, though

it's not really documentation but neither is Voc and it's already in there

Adám

Voc is a better index to (parts of) Dyalog's documentation. Basically a substitute for help.dyalog.com/latest/Content/Language/Introduction/… and the first two of its "other" links.

@RubenVerg A possibility is adding an external link directly in the "Overview" section of aplwiki.com/wiki/Template:APL_dialects or (maybe better), create a small wiki page for the Omnibar and then link to that. A dedicated page can even have an embedded view, like APLcart and ngn/apl have it.

@RubenVerg I was thinking a large table, or maybe better, multiple tables arranged per subject. Plus some general information, discussion of ⎕ML etc.

RubenVerg

@Adám does omnibar actually get to get its own page? don't fully feel like it deserves one :)

@Adám sounds useful

Adám

How about making a stub "Comparison of APL dialects" with just a little bit of info (you should now have quite some in your head!) and then a section on the omnibar?

RubenVerg

11:44

not sure what info would be useful, I'd probably add too much stuff and it just ends up being a worse version of Omnibar

any ideas?

though I guess a separate page for Omnibar might be fine too

Adám

@RubenVerg It is a wiki! Others will come and clean up. Any info is better than no info.

RubenVerg

or maybe the comparison of dialects page should be omnibar itself, plus some extra info?

Adám

That's also a possibility. The omnibar does only cover symbols, basically. The page could include my table of system function counts too. Maybe a table of supported keywords by Dyalog/APLX/APL+ (the only ones that have :keywords at all)

There needs to be a "See also" section with links to various timelines and lists.

RubenVerg

12:32

alright, I'll probably make the page tomorrow

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Adám

14:42