2021 Mathematics Stack Exchange Moderator Election Chat

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Jitendra Singh

2:46 AM

@JNat There is a option for ballot filling but there is no submit button for the ballot

hyper-neutrino

@JitendraSingh it automatically saves every time you change the ballot

Jitendra Singh

3:28 AM

@hyper-neutrino So if I fill the ballot and then save it then again change it and then save it so the candidate will get 2 votes from me?

hyper-neutrino

@JitendraSingh if you change it it just updates your ballot

your ballot isn't confirmed until the election phase ends, and during that time, you can keep changing it, but it'll automatically save so you don't have to press a "submit" button, it just submits when voting is over based on what you had at the end of voting phase

Jitendra Singh

Oh okay Thanks @hyper-neutrino

The Amplitwist

4:33 AM

@hyper-neutrino @amWhy It seems that the order in which the nominees are displayed is "latest to earliest" on the Nomination page, and randomized on the Primary and Election pages, and the order of nominees given in the ballot follows the same order in which they appear on the election page.

Since (in the wide-screen view) we can tap on the (i) icon next to a candidate's name and scroll to that candidate's statement, I suppose it makes sense for the ballot to be shown in the same randomized order as in which the nominees are listed in the election page.

@JNat I'm a bit curious, is it intentional that I can see the vote breakdowns for each candidate in the "Primary" phase? Because, I don't have enough reputation to view vote breakdowns on the main site.

Of course, we skipped the "Primary" phase in this election, so no candidate received any votes (and trying to upvote/downvote results in the error message "Voting is locked for this candidate"). But tapping on the score, "0", for any candidate splits it to show the upvote|downvote count, "0|0".

hyper-neutrino

5:13 AM

ah, that makes sense (that the ballot order is the same as the page order)

@TheAmplitwist yes, this is intentional

however, the votes you're shown are actually modified a bit

lemme pull up the post

A: Election primary vote count is no lower than -1

status-bydesign It was decided to be too cruel to display a person as having a score less than 0. There was talk during the SO election that massively negative scores was unnecessarily demoralizing; the point of the primary is to find the 10 best candidates, not to say "this person is ridiculous...

I remembered it wrong - you can view the breakdown as normal, but the vote total will not be lower than 0 (or -1, if you downvoted them)

The Amplitwist

5:27 AM

Oh, I see! Thanks, @hyper-neutrino :)

I was searching for questions tagged [election]+[voting] so I missed that post. Didn’t know about the [vote-count] tag.

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TheSimpliFire

7:01 AM

@hyper-neutrino @ParclyTaxel It seems the edit button (to one's own nomination) still exists, I can't remember whether it was possible in previous elections.

hyper-neutrino

oh, really? interesting - either that's new or more likely I must've just forgotten then

The Amplitwist

7:51 AM

@TheSimpliFire I wonder if an edit will be allowed to go through…! In the recent election on TeX - LaTeX, one user was apparently able to submit a nomination after the election period had started. Their nomination did not appear on the ballot, though. So, if a nomination can go through, maybe an edit can, too?

A: Election page shows contradictory info about the number of candidates

I think the "nomination" itself best describes what happened: https://tex.stackexchange.com/election/2?tab=nomination#post-620218

@TheAmplitwist From that user’s nomination post: “This is a simple test, if nomination is possible in election phase. It should not be possible, but who knows …”

(This bug may have been fixed in the meantime, though.)

TheSimpliFire

@TheAmplitwist Yes it goes through.

The Amplitwist

8:50 AM

@TheSimpliFire Oh, I see!

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JNat

11:14 AM

@amWhy once elections have moved on to the election phase, I believe the order of the candidates is always randomized

@TheAmplitwist mmm, I can't repro that — may be worth posting a bug report to Meta to see if others experience that too?

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The Amplitwist

12:29 PM

@JNat Oh, I see...! Here's what I get in the "Primary" tab:

@TheAmplitwist I see the tooltip "View upvote and downvote totals." upon hovering over the score.

@TheAmplitwist Clicking on the score splits it into the positive (green) and negative (red) vote totals (which are 0 and 0 in this case, naturally).

I thought the post linked by @hyper-neutrino answered my question, namely that it's intentional that users with at least 150 reputation can see the vote counts on the primaries. But if you're indeed not able to repro, I can write up a report for Meta SE.

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amWhy

2:43 PM

@JNat Thanks. I suspected that was likely the case, after visiting the election page numerous times. I support such randomization during the voting phase.

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JNat

4:25 PM

@TheAmplitwist I cannot repro that, nope

hyper-neutrino

4:38 PM

@JNat which site are you trying it on and how much rep do you have?

it's possible that mod powers don't bypass the rep threshold because it's election related

JNat

tried it on Math, where I have 101. That being said, I also have diamonds everywhere, so I'd expect to be able to see it everywhere...?

lemme see elsewhere

hyper-neutrino

but on the other hand it doesn't make sense for staff powers to not work

JNat

it's a rep thing, yeah

worked on Anime

weird

in that case is anything even broken? Isn't this just a rep-based thing, then?

hyper-neutrino

might just be by design, yeah

JNat

tried on other sites

looks like you can access that breakdown as long as you can actually vote

so if you have ≥150 rep

hyper-neutrino

4:53 PM

ah, makes sense

amWhy

Let's see if @Asaf can keep his record with yet another phenomenally quick report on the winner of the election, next Tuesday! My bet's on Asaf! (@JNat, no offense intended, but Asaf lives for this challenge! :-)

JNat

so I've heard

I've told Asaf about the CMs' new election tools, though

all I need to do now is press a button, so... we'll see who gets there first ;P

amWhy

@JNat Hah! I can't wait!