The Nineteenth Byte

tsh's also generates column-wise

JS is just so good at mixing imperative with simple array ops

7:04 AM

^ i am getting so close

@PyGamer0 wow imagine only having 41 day streak

@lyxal i had 53

or something

@PyGamer0 imagine only having a 53 day streak

made by 754 days in a row gang

@lyxal probably 57

yeah i think 57

You get my point

7:07 AM

^ my teacher is sharing the screen

@PyGamer0 oh dear

^ and idk what happened

oh its fixed now

i installed vasm6502_oldstyle for no reason

which ocean is atlantic orange?

oh nvm its ocean not orange

7:30 AM

in Attempt This Online, 40 secs ago, by pxeger

ATO Release v0.1.8: new options, languages, and refactorings

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@pxeger where new languages online?

New languages? Just Jelly.

@lyxal It's currently deploying; it will have finished and be live in about 5 minutes

@emanresuA no, also Scala{2,3} and Ruby

but ^ it's not quite live yet

pkill ato

wait

pkill is person kill

@pxeger Feature request: node.js. It's painful when you want to use ES2020+ features and TIO has old versions

7:34 AM

@pxeger (I need to learn my lesson: don't announce new releases until after they've finished going live)

so pkill me

@pxeger i.stack.imgur.com/yHG3z.png

languagesn't

yes, that's because it was only half-deployed lol (and I forgot to fully stop it before updating)

by the way, does anyone want to place bets on which of the two servers will finish deploying first? ato1 vs ato2

It bad now

@pxeger ato2 all the way

7:36 AM

i didnt even notice that caird updated his name and pfp

@lyxal actually it seems that ato1 (because I was testing some stuff there earlier) has some of the data already cached, so it might finish first

frick.

2

they're still pretty close though

oop, ato1 has officially won

staging.ato.pxeger.com

@pxeger extra frick.

5 mins ago, by emanresu A

@pxeger Feature request: node.js. It's painful when you want to use ES2020+ features and TIO has old versions

7:40 AM

@emanresuA it's on the list

I'll add node specifically

@lyxal whoopsie, ato2 has run out of disk space :/

I've got some clearing up to do

@pxeger highest level of frick I can muster.

I can't believe I was let down by a gosh dang server

@emanresuA I've edited your comments because Vyxal was already on the list and so I could merge them in to one

When you name yourself «Xḟ⁽εȮm℅Z≠}«

in a kahoot

7:52 AM

@lyxal ok it's done now lol

Hmm

unfrick?

Idk what the opposite of frick is

kcirf

2

8:04 AM

how do i print the entire internal representation of a number in binary in python?

-3 is -0b11; i want entire bit representation

do you mean in two's complement?

yes

two's complement requires fixed-width integers and Python's are arbitrary-precision so that doesn't really make sense, so Python doesn't show you that with bin

so how would i do that in c?

if you have a int64_t you'd just cast it to a uint64_t and print that in binary

8:15 AM

tsh demystified

Uncracked, but it's only been three days...

@emanresuA do i have to list all languages?

or just 1 will be fine

@emanresuA one is python

By challenge rules having one valid crack (i.e. one language where it works) is enough

@Bubbler ok i posted

Python prints in numbers, not characters

So it is not a valid crack

8:30 AM

@Bubbler wdym?

> Write a full program that outputs the numbers from 1 to 100, inclusive, in ascending order.

> Output is characters, specifically ranging from 0x01 to d, with no separation.

Also in the challenge text:

> The output format must be the same as your intended solution in order to constitute a valid crack.

oh yeah

It;s a big polygolt

@emanresuA Try it online!

^ i think its that

That goes well past d

8:34 AM

that goes from 0 to 255, not 1 to 100

1-255

@emanresuA the letter d or the hexadeicmal value?

@PyGamer0 Letter d. Hex is 0x64

i think its a 2d language

Ok

8:35 AM

@emanresuA Try it online!

maybe

That's 0x00 to c

Another of my red herrings

SHOOT

argh

its some 2d language

i give up

aha I've got it

@pxeger What...

@emanresuA Cracked!

8:45 AM

I honestly thought people wouldn't get it...

I wrote up the explanations a while ago, one moment

Explained

@pxeger @PyGamer0 ^

@emanresuA i have seen the explationafon

uh, heres a good example of comments

I'm surprised no one even tried Vyxal...

int side = 10; // stores length of one side
double area = side * side; // stores the area

i think the second comment is redundant

@PyGamer0 idea: // because that's the formula for the area of a square

Protip: always make sure you have DRY comments

Do not have WET comments

9:28 AM

@lyxal wdym by wet and dry comments?

DRY = Don't Repeat Yourself

WET = doesn't really stand for anything but it's the opposite of DRY

Whatever, Existential Things

John Dvorak

10:19 AM

@pxeger write everything twice

or thrice

@JohnDvorak write everything twice

@JohnDvorak or thrice

John Dvorak

the idea behind WET is that when you have two instances of some code, you usually don't know yet how to generalize it so that it can actually be reused.

SPArcheon

11:55 AM

@hyper-neutrino just in case you were interested, Raiden dialogues. Dropping this here only because it is quite odd.

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12:53 PM

!ngiht

tihg!n

1:26 PM

good morning sir. how to juic avocado? i try for 4 hour but no juic

@BrowncatPrograms I'm sorry, but I don't know

my craziest theories only cover avocad juic

I have no concept of this avocado you speak of

anyhow

sleep is to be occuring for me shortly

o/

so chatting is no longer to be occurring for me

how many sleep?

@AaronMiller approximately yes%

goodbye and have fun doing whatever y'all end up doing

o/

1:32 PM

that is a good amount of sleep to have

\o

/o\/ (spider waving goodnight)

Ooh, just hit 50 silver badges

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: Digit Sum Integer Sequence (working title)

noice

Codidact Posts

2:00 PM

posted on September 08, 2021 by Shaggy

Inspired by this challenge. If anyone has any suggestions for a song title I could use for the challenge title then please leave a...

→ 1 roll of baking parchment moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

2:21 PM

A whole roll? :P

Of course, with how much butter we get we'll need it :p

3:01 PM

CMG: Guess the most commonly used JS Math methods

Math.hypot?

6 uses, out of >700 :p

And nothing else was used more than 5 times, right? :P

14 were

Maybe Math.Pi?

3:03 PM

PI is one, it had 32 uses

m90

random? floor? min, max?

Random is first place

Floor is third

Min and max are eighth and fifth respectively

@BrowncatPrograms what is CMG? chat mini guess?

I guess so, I just made it up :p

4th is pow surprisingly

2nd is log

ceil and round are 9th and 10th

sqrt and abs are 6th and 7th

Wait no, PI is 9th and ceil is 11th

All of the datas

3:38 PM

Anyone know of any good Jelly/Husk/05AB1E/Vyxal corpii that include single character counts?

I'll just do it myself :p

I've done one for Jelly, but haven't published it

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4:08 PM

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Q: Code golf challenge

Develop a program that takes as input a series of positive integers and outputs whether each is a prime. The program should terminate if a negative integer is given as the input. A prime number is a number that is divisible by only 1 and itself. However 1 is not considered a prime number. Executi...

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Accepted answers are no longer pinned to the top on SO

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And, what about your site? Pinned or unpinned?

opens jelly corpus, uh oh, the file's corrupted, oh wait that's just what Jelly looks like :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing Definitely unpinned for us, right?

I'm drafting a meta discussion now

@BrowncatPrograms I don't think so

I'd prefer unpinned, but I can see the benefit for pinned

4:16 PM

Actually, since we accept so rarely, it's probably usually for a reason

E.g., it's nice having the KotH winner pinned

Q: Do we want to unpin the accepted answer from the top?

yeah, accepted answers are so rare that they're nowadays only used for winners of KotH/whatever, and it makes sense to pin the winner

New Posts

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Today, Stack Exchange changed the way answers are sorted on Stack Overflow, meaning that accepting an answer no longer pins it to the top (regardless of sorting method). It still has the green checkmark next to it, and accepting an answer is still exactly the same for the purposes of reputation, ...

discussion accepted-answer

I am writing a SEDE query, and I have two separate SELECT statements, which are each simply returning a COUNT. I want to put them together into a single table so I don't have to switch between the results pages, but I can't figure out how. Could someone who knows things bestow wisdom upon me?

@pxeger However, we do still get users (often newer users) who accept answers to code-golf

I think the best argument against accepting answers is that we require every challenge to have a winner that can be objectively determined. So, if that's the case, why not automate accepting?

Obviously it gets slightly more complex with non-standard criteria, but the basis is that, if there's an objective winner, why let a subjective human choose that winner by accepting it?

@AaronMiller Probably a join of some sort

But using JOIN and jumping into a pit full of knives are pretty similar (JOIN makes you suffer for longer though)

4:31 PM

@AaronMiller Do you have a link to the query?

4:44 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/1457191/…

Made a nice 1-graph and 2-graph Jelly corpus (with strings filtered out)

Looks like ° (degrees to radians) is predictably the least used single byte atom in Jelly, with just 6 occurences

5:07 PM

@AaronMiller data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/1457341/…

Nice hacky solution that doesn't bother with JOIN :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing ooh, thanks! I literally started learning SQL today specifically for this query, so I know practically nothing :P

quit before it corrupts you

once you learn SQL you can never go back

i was once happy and innocent

and then JOIN happened

i wake up in the middle of the night sweating

it's coming

run

@BrowncatPrograms What's that you say? I should learn SQL and find some way to make Ｃｕｒｓｅｄ able to do SQL stuff? Great idea!

SQL is fine if you only stick to SEDE :P

SQL has all sorts of variants too, which makes finding info about it hard

5:15 PM

All you need is this and plenty of experimentation :P

I pronounce SQL "squirrel"

I call it "number of unique sums", because that's what SQL does in Jelly :P

In Vyxal, it's "Stringify Quit", and then the L never executes

What's the point of having "quit"?

Hmm, I guess maybe for return-early type stuff?

5:36 PM

These are the only Vyxal answers I could find that use Q outside of a string or a diagraph or something like that. I guess it's mainly used for polyglotting.

@cairdcoinheringaahing If you ever make a stack based language, you should call it "cairn". It looks a lot like "caird", and means a stack of rocks :p

"if I ever make a stack based language"

I've made more stack languages than you've made languages :P

To be fair I meant "if you ever make a stack based language" more as "if you ever make a stack based language and need a name for it" :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing Idk, I've got quite a few half baked language planning docs and interpreters hidden away in random spots on my hard drive :p

You probably have more though still

@BrowncatPrograms Problem is, I'm currently aiming for a language window name begins with every letter of the alphabet, and I already have C (commentator) :P

lol

5:45 PM

Once I've done that, might go for "cairn" tho :P

I'm starting on my second (major) golfing language project

Hmm, a rock based language. Could be interesting

@BrowncatPrograms was Ash the first?

Yeah

Risky was intended to be a slightly smaller (literally :p) and more experimental golfing language, but I don't really count it as one

@cairdcoinheringaahing Speaking of your languages, should H be moved to the "in dev" letters on the language list?

Because Hatred?

Yeah, I'll do that when I can :P

7:30 PM

> I'm currently aiming for a language window name begins with every letter of the alphabet

I mean, I know roughly what you meant, but what on earth does that mean?

You understand don't window means that?

Hi

Can we put chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59094709#59094709 in the mixing bowl?

7:53 PM

→ 9 pounds of butter moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

@emanresuA Nah, it doesn't need to be butterised

@pxeger window = where, according to my autocorrect for some reason

> I'm currently aiming for a language where name begins with every letter of the alphabet

That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense

@AaronMiller you bastard

:D

Sorry, "where each"

Can you really expect me to spell things well? :P

7:58 PM

> I'm currently aiming for a language where each name begins with every letter of the alphabet

A single language with multiple names? :P

Yes :P

Stop trying to understand me :P

I can't wait to try it out! :P

why did i even click that

how does aaron moving messages make any sense

lol got'em

@AaronMiller Kinda sus (I didn't click it)

8:12 PM

Why is it sus? Is 9 pounds too much?

@cairdcoinheringaahing But we just need the milk...

@AaronMiller Perhaps it's that you're not a RO...

@emanresuA I'm not? Since when?

Well, if you ask hyper / caird / redwolf nicely...

@cairdcoinheringaahing (✿◕‿◕✿) Pwetty please?

Nah :P

8:15 PM

sadge

It's just a dupe, posted by someone who clearly tried :P

Not worth butter

Q: Do you gain reputation from upvotes from the meta site

Wait; isn't NMP powered by butter?

For the first time in a long time with the a feature, people aren't complaining - well, at least not in a way that anyone agrees with.

I wonder...

Since SO

has unpinned the accepted answer, they might at some point remove the accept feature all together

Which might mean that Jon Skeet stays in the lead forever.

7

I just have a simple question: Do you gain any reputation from the upvotes from the meta-site?

support voting meta reputation

I doubt they'll ever remove it all together

Also, what should I do with a bounty that was going to an answer that is actually incorrect?

~~Give it to me~~

I'm pretty sure mods can refund bounties or something, or you could probably just award it to a different answer if there's another one that qualifies for whatever the bounty is for.

8:25 PM

jq LoTM.

ah

this one?

yes I can cancel bounties that are still ongoing which refunds the reputation

@AaronMiller Oui oui baguette

also usually if I can't award a bounty that's the right size i'll just pick another answer from that user although all times i've had to do that it was for LoTM and i just awarded it to their second answer in that language lol

It's the only one though.

8:32 PM

yeah ik but it's not wasif's only answer. it is weird to award it to an unrelated answer tho lol. i just avoid using the higher bounty number to avoid unfairness but i doubt anyone necessarily cares

Oh well, kinda too late now, and I feel like I shouldn't award an invalid answer.

Adám

@hyper-neutrino Hi. Can you give chat.stackexchange.com/users/524169/user106914 access to chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52405/the-apl-orchard ?

@Adám done

Adám

You're the best!

:-)

(also tip: always test answers before you start bounties for them, lol)

8:36 PM

I feel like ROs should be able to let anyone into their rooms :p

@hyper-neutrino So what should I do?

@emanresuA i absolutely agree

@emanresuA well you still have 12 hours left (+24 grace) so if you want i can cancel it now or you can wait longer to give wasif time to fix it, and then cancel if they don't

i think this is acceptable use for removing bounties

If they haven't fixed it when I get back from school, I'll ask you to remove it. Thanks!

I'm taking bets on how long it'll take NFP (or whatever you guys call it) to post...

alright. just don't ping me 12 hours from now cuz i might not still be awake at 4:40 AM :P

(codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/85/…)

@hyper-neutrino Oh. Is ~7 hours ok?

yeah

8:40 PM

@emanresuA One further: appoint chat-only moderators

Sounds like a lot of work, and who is going to set the standards for chat, overall? — user316129 Nov 1 '19 at 14:57

i think the lack of standards isn't a reason to not have chat mods but more so "hey we should have standards" :P

That's such a bad argument (the comment, not yours)

ikr

@hyper-neutrino Could you undelete chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/128280/what-da-mods-doing?

i like the idea of chat mods. moderating a site requires a significantly different skill set from moderating the chat network.

8:42 PM

@hyper-neutrino You're good at both, but yes.

*bad at both (:P)

@cairdcoinheringaahing done :p

There's also the idea to have "main site room ROs", which have more powers than regular ROs, but they only apply to the site's "main" room (e.g here)

What are da moz doing, though?

comitting mod abuse as always

Dont'cha know? Mods only commit mod abuse :P

8:45 PM

Bye

in what da mods doing, 5 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

Feel free to spam messages for a little bit btw :P

In ^ room, not here :P

Hey @Mith

\o

What brings you to TNB? :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think the best way to handle it would be to let mods appoint mod-ROs in certain rooms, giving them special powers

@cairdcoinheringaahing I was following the trail of an upvote. ;)

8:53 PM

And a bounty that went with the upvote? :P

Well, I noticed the bounty when I went to check what caused the upvote, so yes.

I'm shocked I hadn't upvoted that already tbh. I thought I'd already bountied it as well, so I'm slightly confused

Noticed who set it, decided to peek at the transcript in here, and... voila.

I also recently linked to the suggestion from a mod space, so I was curious if the upvote was from that or if it had gotten other activity.

I have to say, the +61/-27 vote split surprises me

Oh wow, that's way more controversial than I'd expect

rak1507

8:57 PM

what is this for?

Q: Appoint chat moderators exclusively responsible for moderating chat

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Currently, the way that chat moderation is set up, it relies heavily on site moderators moderating chat in addition to their main Q&A site. Moderators have some pretty powerful tools (freezing rooms, suspensions), and rooms also have a first line of defense in the form of room owners, who have sm...

feature-request chat moderator-tools moderators

@hyper-neutrino We have standards. They're referred to as "be nice" or the CoC. It's just suggesting slightly changing who enforces them.

Anyone who has spent any time in chat should recognise that moderating chat isn't necessarily the same thing as moderating main, and often requires a lighter touch that main mods might not be used to. Chat-only mods seem like a natural thing to have

For a long time, I genuinely thought @Mith was a chat mod (before realising that didn't exist) because of how well they moderated chat vs how I'd see other mods try and do it