The Nineteenth Byte

emanresu A

06:14

Hi

PyGamer0

@emanresuA hi

lyxal

@emanresuA perhaps.

emanresu A

@lyxal Possibly.

@PyGamer0 potentially

lyxal

@emanresuA slightly not so much.

PyGamer0

uh

emanresu A

06:16

@lyxal occasionally

lyxal

@emanresuA very probably

emanresu A

@lyxal half so and half not

lyxal

@emanresuA slightly imaginably yes

emanresu A

@lyxal could be.

lyxal

@emanresuA for all one knows, slightly not

emanresu A

06:19

@lyxal It depends.

lyxal

@emanresuA actually, perhaps certainly

emanresu A

Seriously?

lyxal

Not really ;p

emanresu A

I'm not joking, I'm emanresu

lyxal

Absolutely

emanresu A

06:22

Allegedly

lyxal

questionably so.

emanresu A

Understandably

lyxal

As the case may be, irrefutably so.

emanresu A

Dynamically and interchangably, but confusingly.

lyxal

But figuratively, not really, unless metaphorical originality.

emanresu A

06:28

Calamitously yet realistically

lyxal

surreptitiously and somewhat simultaneously

emanresu A

Extensively, except exactly.

lyxal

But purposelessly unlikely

emanresu A

Ambiguously when cataclysmically

lyxal

certainly biweekly and reportedly ceaselessly

emanresu A

06:35

Relatively desperately, though.

lyxal

Not necessarily disorderedly but considerably instantly

emanresu A

Arithmetically meticulously until charismatically

lyxal

however, momentarily ferociously and uncharitably squirrelly

emanresu A

Conversationally

27 mins ago, 26 minutes total – 35 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 7 secs ago by emanresu A

lyxal

very well done.

A great performance by all

emanresu A

06:42

takes a bow

Razetime

clapping begins

does anyone have na idea of what's going on in the new question

i've barely a clue on what bubbler and tsh are doing

emanresu A

No idea either

Bubbler

writing explanation now

Razetime

cool

emanresu A

I think tsh's one... well, the recursive function g tries to place a queen diagonally - a.every(u=>(u-=v)**3-u*m*m--,m=n) checks if a queen is placable in a certain location.

Razetime

06:48

oh a backtrack maybe

Bubbler

tsh's also generates column-wise

JS is just so good at mixing imperative with simple array ops

PyGamer0

07:04

^ i am getting so close

lyxal

@PyGamer0 wow imagine only having 41 day streak

PyGamer0

@lyxal i had 53

or something

lyxal

@PyGamer0 imagine only having a 53 day streak

made by 754 days in a row gang

PyGamer0

@lyxal probably 57

yeah i think 57

lyxal

You get my point

PyGamer0

07:07

^ my teacher is sharing the screen

lyxal

@PyGamer0 oh dear

PyGamer0

^ and idk what happened

oh its fixed now

i installed vasm6502_oldstyle for no reason

which ocean is atlantic orange?

oh nvm its ocean not orange

pxeger

07:30

in Attempt This Online, 40 secs ago, by pxeger

ATO Release v0.1.8: new options, languages, and refactorings

2

lyxal

@pxeger where new languages online?

emanresu A

New languages? Just Jelly.

pxeger

@lyxal It's currently deploying; it will have finished and be live in about 5 minutes

@emanresuA no, also Scala{2,3} and Ruby

but ^ it's not quite live yet

PyGamer0

pkill ato

wait

pkill is person kill

emanresu A

@pxeger Feature request: node.js. It's painful when you want to use ES2020+ features and TIO has old versions

pxeger

07:34

@pxeger (I need to learn my lesson: don't announce new releases until after they've finished going live)

PyGamer0

so pkill me

lyxal

@pxeger i.sstatic.net/yHG3z.png

languagesn't

pxeger

yes, that's because it was only half-deployed lol (and I forgot to fully stop it before updating)

by the way, does anyone want to place bets on which of the two servers will finish deploying first? ato1 vs ato2

emanresu A

It bad now

lyxal

@pxeger ato2 all the way

PyGamer0

07:36

i didnt even notice that caird updated his name and pfp

pxeger

@lyxal actually it seems that ato1 (because I was testing some stuff there earlier) has some of the data already cached, so it might finish first

lyxal

frick.

2

pxeger

they're still pretty close though

oop, ato1 has officially won

staging.ato.pxeger.com

lyxal

@pxeger extra frick.

emanresu A

5 mins ago, by emanresu A

@pxeger Feature request: node.js. It's painful when you want to use ES2020+ features and TIO has old versions

pxeger

07:40

@emanresuA it's on the list

emanresu A

I'll add node specifically

pxeger

@lyxal whoopsie, ato2 has run out of disk space :/

I've got some clearing up to do

lyxal

@pxeger highest level of frick I can muster.

I can't believe I was let down by a gosh dang server

pxeger

@emanresuA I've edited your comments because Vyxal was already on the list and so I could merge them in to one

emanresu A

When you name yourself «Xḟ⁽εȮm℅Z≠}«

in a kahoot

pxeger

07:52

@lyxal ok it's done now lol

lyxal

Hmm

unfrick?

Idk what the opposite of frick is

pxeger

kcirf

2

PyGamer0

08:04

how do i print the entire internal representation of a number in binary in python?

-3 is -0b11; i want entire bit representation

pxeger

do you mean in two's complement?

PyGamer0

yes

pxeger

two's complement requires fixed-width integers and Python's are arbitrary-precision so that doesn't really make sense, so Python doesn't show you that with bin

PyGamer0

so how would i do that in c?

pxeger

if you have a int64_t you'd just cast it to a uint64_t and print that in binary

Bubbler

08:15

tsh demystified

emanresu A

Uncracked, but it's only been three days...

PyGamer0

@emanresuA do i have to list all languages?

or just 1 will be fine

@emanresuA one is python

Bubbler

By challenge rules having one valid crack (i.e. one language where it works) is enough

PyGamer0

@Bubbler ok i posted

Bubbler

Python prints in numbers, not characters

So it is not a valid crack

PyGamer0

08:30

@Bubbler wdym?

> Write a full program that outputs the numbers from 1 to 100, inclusive, in ascending order.

Bubbler

> Output is characters, specifically ranging from 0x01 to d, with no separation.

Also in the challenge text:

> The output format must be the same as your intended solution in order to constitute a valid crack.

PyGamer0

oh yeah

emanresu A

It;s a big polygolt

PyGamer0

@emanresuA Try it online!

^ i think its that

emanresu A

That goes well past d

pxeger

08:34

that goes from 0 to 255, not 1 to 100

emanresu A

1-255

PyGamer0

@emanresuA the letter d or the hexadeicmal value?

emanresu A

@PyGamer0 Letter d. Hex is 0x64

PyGamer0

i think its a 2d language

emanresu A

Ok

PyGamer0

08:35

@emanresuA Try it online!

maybe

emanresu A

That's 0x00 to c

Another of my red herrings

PyGamer0

SHOOT

argh

its some 2d language

i give up

pxeger

aha I've got it

emanresu A

@pxeger What...

pxeger

@emanresuA Cracked!

emanresu A

08:45

I honestly thought people wouldn't get it...

I wrote up the explanations a while ago, one moment

Explained

@pxeger @PyGamer0 ^

PyGamer0

@emanresuA i have seen the explationafon

uh, heres a good example of comments

emanresu A

I'm surprised no one even tried Vyxal...

PyGamer0

int side = 10; // stores length of one side
double area = side * side; // stores the area

i think the second comment is redundant

lyxal

@PyGamer0 idea: // because that's the formula for the area of a square

Protip: always make sure you have DRY comments

Do not have WET comments

PyGamer0

09:28

@lyxal wdym by wet and dry comments?

pxeger

DRY = Don't Repeat Yourself

WET = doesn't really stand for anything but it's the opposite of DRY

emanresu A

Whatever, Existential Things

John Dvorak

10:19

@pxeger write everything twice

or thrice

pxeger

@JohnDvorak write everything twice

@JohnDvorak or thrice

John Dvorak

the idea behind WET is that when you have two instances of some code, you usually don't know yet how to generalize it so that it can actually be reused.

SPArcheon

11:55

@hyper-neutrino just in case you were interested, Raiden dialogues. Dropping this here only because it is quite odd.

Newly Featured Posts

12:34

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Q: Draw an ASCII chess board!

Here is a simple challenge for you: You must produce this ASCII representation of a chess board. White is represented by uppercase characters, and black is represented by lowercase. Empty tiles are represented by a .. Here is the full board: rnbqkbnr pppppppp ........ ........ ........ ........ ...

emanresu A

12:53

!ngiht

Aaron Miller

tihg!n

Browncat Programs

13:26

good morning sir. how to juic avocado? i try for 4 hour but no juic

lyxal

@BrowncatPrograms I'm sorry, but I don't know

my craziest theories only cover avocad juic

I have no concept of this avocado you speak of

anyhow

sleep is to be occuring for me shortly

Browncat Programs

o/

lyxal

so chatting is no longer to be occurring for me

Aaron Miller

how many sleep?

lyxal

@AaronMiller approximately yes%

goodbye and have fun doing whatever y'all end up doing

o/

Aaron Miller

13:32

that is a good amount of sleep to have

\o

Browncat Programs

/o\/ (spider waving goodnight)

Ooh, just hit 50 silver badges

Aaron Miller

noice

Codidact Posts

14:00

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: Digit Sum Integer Sequence (working title)

posted on September 08, 2021 by Shaggy

Inspired by this challenge. If anyone has any suggestions for a song title I could use for the challenge title then please leave a...

Browncat Programs

→ 1 roll of baking parchment moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

caird coinheringaahing

14:21

A whole roll? :P

Browncat Programs

Of course, with how much butter we get we'll need it :p

Browncat Programs

15:01

CMG: Guess the most commonly used JS Math methods

caird coinheringaahing

Math.hypot?

Browncat Programs

6 uses, out of >700 :p

caird coinheringaahing

And nothing else was used more than 5 times, right? :P

Browncat Programs

14 were

caird coinheringaahing

Maybe Math.Pi?

Browncat Programs

15:03

PI is one, it had 32 uses

m90

random? floor? min, max?

Browncat Programs

Random is first place

Floor is third

Min and max are eighth and fifth respectively

PyGamer0

@BrowncatPrograms what is CMG? chat mini guess?

Browncat Programs

I guess so, I just made it up :p

4th is pow surprisingly

2nd is log

ceil and round are 9th and 10th

sqrt and abs are 6th and 7th

Wait no, PI is 9th and ceil is 11th

All of the datas

Browncat Programs

15:38

Anyone know of any good Jelly/Husk/05AB1E/Vyxal corpii that include single character counts?

I'll just do it myself :p

caird coinheringaahing

I've done one for Jelly, but haven't published it

New Posts

16:08

0

Q: Code golf challenge

Develop a program that takes as input a series of positive integers and outputs whether each is a prime. The program should terminate if a negative integer is given as the input. A prime number is a number that is divisible by only 1 and itself. However 1 is not considered a prime number. Executi...

code-golf python

caird coinheringaahing

Accepted answers are no longer pinned to the top on SO

3

And, what about your site? Pinned or unpinned?

Browncat Programs

opens jelly corpus, uh oh, the file's corrupted, oh wait that's just what Jelly looks like :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing Definitely unpinned for us, right?

caird coinheringaahing

I'm drafting a meta discussion now

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms I don't think so

caird coinheringaahing

I'd prefer unpinned, but I can see the benefit for pinned

Browncat Programs

16:16

Actually, since we accept so rarely, it's probably usually for a reason

E.g., it's nice having the KotH winner pinned

pxeger

yeah, accepted answers are so rare that they're nowadays only used for winners of KotH/whatever, and it makes sense to pin the winner

New Posts

0

Q: Do we want to unpin the accepted answer from the top?

Today, Stack Exchange changed the way answers are sorted on Stack Overflow, meaning that accepting an answer no longer pins it to the top (regardless of sorting method). It still has the green checkmark next to it, and accepting an answer is still exactly the same for the purposes of reputation, ...

discussion accepted-answer

Aaron Miller

I am writing a SEDE query, and I have two separate SELECT statements, which are each simply returning a COUNT. I want to put them together into a single table so I don't have to switch between the results pages, but I can't figure out how. Could someone who knows things bestow wisdom upon me?

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger However, we do still get users (often newer users) who accept answers to code-golf

I think the best argument against accepting answers is that we require every challenge to have a winner that can be objectively determined. So, if that's the case, why not automate accepting?

Obviously it gets slightly more complex with non-standard criteria, but the basis is that, if there's an objective winner, why let a subjective human choose that winner by accepting it?

Browncat Programs

@AaronMiller Probably a join of some sort

But using JOIN and jumping into a pit full of knives are pretty similar (JOIN makes you suffer for longer though)

caird coinheringaahing

16:31

@AaronMiller Do you have a link to the query?

Aaron Miller

16:44

@cairdcoinheringaahing data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/1457191/…

Browncat Programs

Made a nice 1-graph and 2-graph Jelly corpus (with strings filtered out)

Looks like ° (degrees to radians) is predictably the least used single byte atom in Jelly, with just 6 occurences

caird coinheringaahing

17:07

@AaronMiller data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/1457341/…

Nice hacky solution that doesn't bother with JOIN :P

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing ooh, thanks! I literally started learning SQL today specifically for this query, so I know practically nothing :P

Browncat Programs

quit before it corrupts you

once you learn SQL you can never go back

i was once happy and innocent

and then JOIN happened

i wake up in the middle of the night sweating

it's coming

run

Aaron Miller

@BrowncatPrograms What's that you say? I should learn SQL and find some way to make Ｃｕｒｓｅｄ able to do SQL stuff? Great idea!

caird coinheringaahing

SQL is fine if you only stick to SEDE :P

Browncat Programs

SQL has all sorts of variants too, which makes finding info about it hard

caird coinheringaahing

17:15

All you need is this and plenty of experimentation :P

Browncat Programs

I pronounce SQL "squirrel"

caird coinheringaahing

I call it "number of unique sums", because that's what SQL does in Jelly :P

Aaron Miller

In Vyxal, it's "Stringify Quit", and then the L never executes

Browncat Programs

What's the point of having "quit"?

Hmm, I guess maybe for return-early type stuff?

Aaron Miller

17:36

These are the only Vyxal answers I could find that use Q outside of a string or a diagraph or something like that. I guess it's mainly used for polyglotting.

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing If you ever make a stack based language, you should call it "cairn". It looks a lot like "caird", and means a stack of rocks :p

caird coinheringaahing

"if I ever make a stack based language"

I've made more stack languages than you've made languages :P

Browncat Programs

To be fair I meant "if you ever make a stack based language" more as "if you ever make a stack based language and need a name for it" :p

@cairdcoinheringaahing Idk, I've got quite a few half baked language planning docs and interpreters hidden away in random spots on my hard drive :p

You probably have more though still

caird coinheringaahing

@BrowncatPrograms Problem is, I'm currently aiming for a language window name begins with every letter of the alphabet, and I already have C (commentator) :P

Browncat Programs

lol

caird coinheringaahing

17:45

Once I've done that, might go for "cairn" tho :P

Browncat Programs

I'm starting on my second (major) golfing language project

caird coinheringaahing

Hmm, a rock based language. Could be interesting

@BrowncatPrograms was Ash the first?

Browncat Programs

Yeah

Risky was intended to be a slightly smaller (literally :p) and more experimental golfing language, but I don't really count it as one

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing Speaking of your languages, should H be moved to the "in dev" letters on the language list?

Because Hatred?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I'll do that when I can :P

pxeger

19:30

> I'm currently aiming for a language window name begins with every letter of the alphabet

I mean, I know roughly what you meant, but what on earth does that mean?

Aaron Miller

You understand don't window means that?

emanresu A

Hi

Can we put chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/59094709#59094709 in the mixing bowl?

Aaron Miller

19:53

→ 9 pounds of butter moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

caird coinheringaahing

@emanresuA Nah, it doesn't need to be butterised

@pxeger window = where, according to my autocorrect for some reason

Aaron Miller

> I'm currently aiming for a language where name begins with every letter of the alphabet

That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense

pxeger

@AaronMiller you bastard

Aaron Miller

:D

caird coinheringaahing

Sorry, "where each"

Can you really expect me to spell things well? :P

Aaron Miller

19:58

> I'm currently aiming for a language where each name begins with every letter of the alphabet

A single language with multiple names? :P

caird coinheringaahing

Yes :P

Stop trying to understand me :P

Aaron Miller

I can't wait to try it out! :P

hyper-neutrino

why did i even click that

how does aaron moving messages make any sense

Aaron Miller

lol got'em

emanresu A

@AaronMiller Kinda sus (I didn't click it)

Aaron Miller

20:12

Why is it sus? Is 9 pounds too much?

emanresu A

@cairdcoinheringaahing But we just need the milk...

@AaronMiller Perhaps it's that you're not a RO...

Aaron Miller

@emanresuA I'm not? Since when?

emanresu A

Well, if you ask hyper / caird / redwolf nicely...

Aaron Miller

@cairdcoinheringaahing (✿◕‿◕✿) Pwetty please?

caird coinheringaahing

Nah :P

Aaron Miller

20:15

sadge

caird coinheringaahing

It's just a dupe, posted by someone who clearly tried :P

Not worth butter

emanresu A

Wait; isn't NMP powered by butter?

For the first time in a long time with the a feature, people aren't complaining - well, at least not in a way that anyone agrees with.

I wonder...

Since SO

has unpinned the accepted answer, they might at some point remove the accept feature all together

Which might mean that Jon Skeet stays in the lead forever.

7

Q: Do you gain reputation from upvotes from the meta site

I just have a simple question: Do you gain any reputation from the upvotes from the meta-site?

support voting meta reputation

caird coinheringaahing

I doubt they'll ever remove it all together

emanresu A

Also, what should I do with a bounty that was going to an answer that is actually incorrect?

Aaron Miller

~~Give it to me~~

I'm pretty sure mods can refund bounties or something, or you could probably just award it to a different answer if there's another one that qualifies for whatever the bounty is for.

emanresu A

20:25

jq LoTM.

Aaron Miller

ah

this one?

hyper-neutrino

yes I can cancel bounties that are still ongoing which refunds the reputation

emanresu A

@AaronMiller Oui oui baguette

hyper-neutrino

also usually if I can't award a bounty that's the right size i'll just pick another answer from that user although all times i've had to do that it was for LoTM and i just awarded it to their second answer in that language lol

emanresu A

It's the only one though.

hyper-neutrino

20:32

yeah ik but it's not wasif's only answer. it is weird to award it to an unrelated answer tho lol. i just avoid using the higher bounty number to avoid unfairness but i doubt anyone necessarily cares

emanresu A

Oh well, kinda too late now, and I feel like I shouldn't award an invalid answer.

Adám

@hyper-neutrino Hi. Can you give chat.stackexchange.com/users/524169/user106914 access to chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52405/the-apl-orchard ?

hyper-neutrino

@Adám done

Adám

You're the best!

hyper-neutrino

:-)

(also tip: always test answers before you start bounties for them, lol)

emanresu A

20:36

I feel like ROs should be able to let anyone into their rooms :p

@hyper-neutrino So what should I do?

hyper-neutrino

@emanresuA i absolutely agree

@emanresuA well you still have 12 hours left (+24 grace) so if you want i can cancel it now or you can wait longer to give wasif time to fix it, and then cancel if they don't

i think this is acceptable use for removing bounties

emanresu A

If they haven't fixed it when I get back from school, I'll ask you to remove it. Thanks!

I'm taking bets on how long it'll take NFP (or whatever you guys call it) to post...

hyper-neutrino

alright. just don't ping me 12 hours from now cuz i might not still be awake at 4:40 AM :P

emanresu A

(codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/85/…)

@hyper-neutrino Oh. Is ~7 hours ok?

hyper-neutrino

yeah

caird coinheringaahing

20:40

@emanresuA One further: appoint chat-only moderators

hyper-neutrino

Sounds like a lot of work, and who is going to set the standards for chat, overall? — user316129 Nov 1 '19 at 14:57

i think the lack of standards isn't a reason to not have chat mods but more so "hey we should have standards" :P

caird coinheringaahing

That's such a bad argument (the comment, not yours)

hyper-neutrino

ikr

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Could you undelete chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/128280/what-da-mods-doing?

hyper-neutrino

i like the idea of chat mods. moderating a site requires a significantly different skill set from moderating the chat network.

emanresu A

20:42

@hyper-neutrino You're good at both, but yes.

hyper-neutrino

*bad at both (:P)

@cairdcoinheringaahing done :p

caird coinheringaahing

There's also the idea to have "main site room ROs", which have more powers than regular ROs, but they only apply to the site's "main" room (e.g here)

emanresu A

What are da moz doing, though?

hyper-neutrino

comitting mod abuse as always

caird coinheringaahing

Dont'cha know? Mods only commit mod abuse :P

emanresu A

20:45

Bye

caird coinheringaahing

in what da mods doing, 5 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

Feel free to spam messages for a little bit btw :P

In ^ room, not here :P

Hey @Mith

Mithical

\o

caird coinheringaahing

What brings you to TNB? :P

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think the best way to handle it would be to let mods appoint mod-ROs in certain rooms, giving them special powers

Mithical

@cairdcoinheringaahing I was following the trail of an upvote. ;)

caird coinheringaahing

20:53

And a bounty that went with the upvote? :P

Mithical

Well, I noticed the bounty when I went to check what caused the upvote, so yes.

caird coinheringaahing

I'm shocked I hadn't upvoted that already tbh. I thought I'd already bountied it as well, so I'm slightly confused

Mithical

Noticed who set it, decided to peek at the transcript in here, and... voila.

I also recently linked to the suggestion from a mod space, so I was curious if the upvote was from that or if it had gotten other activity.

caird coinheringaahing

I have to say, the +61/-27 vote split surprises me

Browncat Programs

Oh wow, that's way more controversial than I'd expect

rak1507

20:57

what is this for?

caird coinheringaahing

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Q: Appoint chat moderators exclusively responsible for moderating chat

Currently, the way that chat moderation is set up, it relies heavily on site moderators moderating chat in addition to their main Q&A site. Moderators have some pretty powerful tools (freezing rooms, suspensions), and rooms also have a first line of defense in the form of room owners, who have sm...

feature-request chat moderator-tools moderators

Mithical

@hyper-neutrino We have standards. They're referred to as "be nice" or the CoC. It's just suggesting slightly changing who enforces them.

caird coinheringaahing

Anyone who has spent any time in chat should recognise that moderating chat isn't necessarily the same thing as moderating main, and often requires a lighter touch that main mods might not be used to. Chat-only mods seem like a natural thing to have

For a long time, I genuinely thought @Mith was a chat mod (before realising that didn't exist) because of how well they moderated chat vs how I'd see other mods try and do it

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's true, and there's probably not too many situations where main-mod powers are needed for effective chat moderation, or vice versa

Conversationally

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