The Ink Spot

Vikas

03:41

@PieBie they removed helmets because they were bad scientists? How?

Vincent

08:48

@Vikas (Haven't we had this discussion already? ^^') No sane scientist would remove their helmet even if the atmosphere was agreeable, because the environment could still contain biological hazards that are hard to detect. Like, say, a virus.

Vikas

@Vincent Yes, but at that time I didn't think they were insane/bad scientists. I think we discussed like they made a mistake. And I assumed it was mistake done by good scientists.

Vincent

No single scientist would ever make this mistake.

Scratch that, no single well-trained astronaut would ever make it.

Vikas

@Vincent Yes. That's why I asked this question to PieBie, because if that was a mistake, you can't defend the movie by saying they were bad scientists. If they were bad scientists how could they travel space. So I call it a movie mistake, not bad scientists.

But I feel it's opinion based thing.

Vincent

You do realise the 'scientists' were written / created by the movie makers, right? :)

Vikas

@Vincent yes. so it is movie makers mistake.

Vikas

09:49

[Types okay but comment needs few more letters. Types oh okay instead]

PieBie

10:20

@Vikas It was not the same scientists that made the spaceship. And removing the helmets was just one in a whole series of convoluted and overcomplicated bad decisions.

Anyway, I just thought is was a funny YouTube skit about the movie. He does take down movies that I like too, so there's that :)

Vikas

@PieBie So they just sent idiots in case of mishap? lol

@PieBie take down?

PieBie

@Vikas in this context: laugh at :)

@Vikas Haha, that's one way to read that movie. Maybe they just sent replaceable idiots instead of actual scientists 😁

Vikas

@PieBie yeah. It makes sense.

and maybe that's why android could fool them easily

joojaa

11:23

I must say that the worldview of libraal arts majors color quite much how people think the world works

Im just discussing wheter medieval blacksmiths would use casting often

Well blacksmiths wouldnt

Red, White and goldsmiths would use it as a primary method.

But that 500 degrees that separates iron compound temperatures from red metals IS signifiant

Vikas

No offense, what are we talking about? 🤣

Vincent

@joojaa 'Artistic license'

joojaa

@Vincent yes but the problem is that this colors what people understand things to be

Vincent

'Hollywood physics'

joojaa

I find it rather impossible that a average backsmith in 1400 would cast something that is generally beyond a 2020 engineering universitys resources to do

And almost certainly they didint do it in a day

But but youtube they cast it in aluminium

OK, 1 pure aluminium was the most espensive element untill 1900's

2. Aluminium melts at 600 degrees C while iron melts at 1550 degrees C

curious

12:59

So do you mean the medieval swords we typically see in movies are completely off?

joojaa

@curious yes

The way iron and steel was made is by brning it in a bloomery, this produces a small spunge of iron the inpurities are then hammered out thir produces either a sheet or beam

Thei sheet r beam is then hammered into a sword.

Vikas

13:37

curious

13:53

@joojaa cast it in lead to make it very nice and impressive looking to scare away your opponents. Just don't hit their armor with it!

joojaa

14:33

@curious it only works in movies.

In real world enemies dont usually attack me because they want. Its mainly because they are coerced into attacking me. Bluffing does not work well in that kind of situation.

CiurkitboyN

15:37

@Vikas I was up there a month or so ago

Wolff

@joojaa, do you have random knowledge?

CiurkitboyN

Random knowledge? my favorite kind

but I dont have any lol

Wolff

Actually I mean knowledge about computational randomness. Just trying to be funny.

CiurkitboyN

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

not random stufff

Wolff

Although I can use a little random knowledge as well.

CiurkitboyN

15:44

Did you know that fire ants conduct electricity...

Vikas

CiurkitboyN

I still have a screenshot I think

Vikas

I don't want to see. Thanks.

CiurkitboyN

oh

this is a different list

Vikas

you're legend

CiurkitboyN

15:46

Is there someone standing behind me?

Vikas

it's me

CiurkitboyN

...

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN What? you asked someone standing behind you

CiurkitboyN

lol

Vikas

now wolff is behind you

Wolff

15:50

Nope

CiurkitboyN

Vikas

joojaa

wolff

Wolff

bad game

CiurkitboyN

how do I even respond to this

@Wolff what is a bad game?

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN vot iz it

CiurkitboyN

15:52

a comment on a youtube video

Wolff

@CiurkitboyN the in-front-behind game

CiurkitboyN

oh

when I asked if there was someone behind me I was making a joke by implying I didn't think I was a legend

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN do you know why we drink water?

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas because it tastes good

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN no, because we can't eat it

CiurkitboyN

15:53

haha yall stared my message about nuclear physics

Wolff

@Vikas Wrong 🧊

CiurkitboyN

59 secs ago, by CiurkitboyN

@Vikas because it tastes good

how could I possibly be wrong

Vikas

@Wolff 😁 still you can't it eat

@CiurkitboyN not everything you drink tastes good, e.g. some medicine

Wolff

@Vikas Put it in the mouth, swallow?

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas ok but I drink water because it tastes good

there isn't much on mars

Vikas

15:55

@Wolff you break it in smaller pieces then you melt it

CiurkitboyN

5 mins ago, by CiurkitboyN

@Vikas what if you make bread wet

and eat the bread

you ate the water, no?

Wolff

@Vikas You mean you can't chew it? You can put a piece of ice in the mouth and swallow it. Isn't that eating?

@CiurkitboyN You drink the bread.

CiurkitboyN

drank*

drunk*

Vikas

@Wolff ...

CiurkitboyN

haha

Vikas

15:57

CiurkitboyN

what's that?

Vikas

I want to taste this ice. Looks exquisite

CiurkitboyN

ice?

that's dirt

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN scientists say it's ice on mars surface just below sand

@CiurkitboyN the white one

CiurkitboyN

oh cool I can enjoy my soda now

Wolff

15:58

@CiurkitboyN Where are these images from? Can you find source directly from NASA?

Vikas

but I wonder how can it be so white

@Wolff no

Wolff

@Vikas Sorry, it was your post

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas it's real cold on mars

Wolff

@Vikas So it's an internet joke

Vikas

@Wolff oh wait then

@Wolff nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/images/press/…

don't call my image joke

CiurkitboyN

16:00

how big is it?

Wolff

@Vikas Cool. They just say "ice". Do they mean frozen water or frozen carbondioxid?

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN i think bodies can still learn to adjust in cold weather, but water and atmosphere and food more necessary

Wolff

@CiurkitboyN It says on the image

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas Nah, I was saying that's why the ice is so white because at colder temperatures it freezes more

Vikas

@Wolff do you further want me to prove you wrong?

CiurkitboyN

16:02

Isn't ice by definition, water?

Wolff

@Vikas I'm asking

@CiurkitboyN No

CiurkitboyN

oh...

Vikas

@Wolff wait. it can take some time. let me test

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas you never linked me your channel

Wolff

@Vikas I believe what's coming from NASA. Just looking at the image at first, it could look fake. Because the shadows are exactly the same (the two images must have been shot at the exact same time of day) and because the area with the missing ice looks all blurry.

CiurkitboyN

16:06

in The Looking Glass, May 8 at 18:46, by Vikas

@CiurkitboyN I'm doing rebranding of my YouTube channel. Will comment after that in few days.

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN I tried one video. I got only 3 precious views. Was expecting more. As soon as one of my video gets 1K views, I'll share.

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas dude...

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN i've rebranded but it's in beta phase

CiurkitboyN

You can't expect to get that many veiws

Wolff

@Vikas Isn't sharing what gives you views?

CiurkitboyN

16:08

yeah, what wolff said

@Wolff are you a she or a he?

Wolff

@CiurkitboyN I'm a he.

CiurkitboyN

most of my views are from telling everyone I know to tell everyone they kow

know*

Wolff

@CiurkitboyN So that's where your three views come from? 😂

CiurkitboyN

I get more than three, usually...

Vikas

0

Q: Is this white stuff water ice or carbondioxide?

Here is an image which shows ice is evaporating over time. They use the word "ice". Is there any official information which tells if it is water ice or CO2? https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/images/press/sol_020_024_change_dodo_v2.html Note: The guy in this YouTube video also calls it ic...

mars

CiurkitboyN

16:10

geeez quick

Vikas

@Wolff ?

CiurkitboyN

NO ONE ESCAPES THE BEES

►

over 100 times 3

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN you get more than 3 buy sharing like this 🤣

CiurkitboyN

not always...

Wolff

@Vikas There is lots of water ice on Mars. The polar caps are mostly water covered by carbondioxid. I was just wondering if it was water in this image.

CiurkitboyN

16:13

I don't know as many people as my average veiw count

Vikas

@Wolff yes asked the same.

CiurkitboyN

average views > people I know

Wolff

@CiurkitboyN yes, yes, got it

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN I feel I can easily get 1K views, if I just record myself doing pencil drawing. But I'm lazy and lack resources.

CiurkitboyN

...

don't be so pridefull

lol

Vikas

16:15

@Wolff 😅

CiurkitboyN

is that the right word

Vikas

doesn't look right

Wolff

@Vikas Uhm, most popular videos on youtube are not people drawing with a pencil. Perhaps if you wore a bikini and bungee jumped at the same time.

CiurkitboyN

haha

Vikas

@Wolff bungee jump?

CiurkitboyN

16:17

@Vikas great big rubberband that you hold and jump off a cliff

Wolff

@Vikas Google it

Vikas

@Wolff Okay. That's why I said only 1K views, not 100K views.

Wolff

Lots of images. Not a single one doing a pencil drawing! There is a niche there.

Vikas

@Wolff ?

CiurkitboyN

maybe minute physics but other than that...

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haha

Vikas

16:19

lol

CiurkitboyN

just looked at my spotify and I was like, hmmm I have a follower

welp this conversation died like a fly in a campfire

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according to this random website I will have 1500 subs in 5 years

Vikas

@Wolff I think I asked wrong question. The image isn't talking about that white stuff. The ice is in the shadow. And that's why is not present on right side

@CiurkitboyN yawns

Wolff

@Vikas I got that all along. It's an before and after image

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas aggressively yawns

Vikas

@Wolff so what's that white stuff?

CiurkitboyN

16:26

@Vikas last time I asked a question there it got moved 3 times and then closed

Wolff

@Vikas You mean the other white stuff? Could be ice as well. Some of it has disappeared in the right image too.

Vikas

@Wolff i've edited my question

@CiurkitboyN Tell me something that I haven't done.

CiurkitboyN

That*

which is the wrong word there

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN good catch

See, I'm helping you improve your English

I was just testing you.

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas umm I think it's the other way around...

Vikas

16:32

May 8 at 18:00, by CiurkitboyN

wdym

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas how do you go back and find my messages so fast?

~~|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|~~

Vikas

36 secs ago, by CiurkitboyN

@Vikas how do you go back and find my messages so fast?

CiurkitboyN

im not sure

Jun 4 at 16:11, by CiurkitboyN

I dunno

58234602: ...

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Vikas

just search "yawn" in search box and you'll see funny messages

CiurkitboyN

all of them

Vikas

16:39

@CiurkitboyN yes all of them

i thought only I yawn in this room

CiurkitboyN

I have problems

open.spotify.com/playlist/1NXlMRTUsbTZnJB4yhWPrA

Wolff

Don't start finding my old messages! It's not polite.

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN are u listening hindi song?

CiurkitboyN

?

hindi?

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN i clicked link and it shows hindi song

Hindi

Hindi (Devanagari: हिन्दी, IAST/ISO 15919: Hindī), or more precisely Modern Standard Hindi (Devanagari: मानक हिन्दी, IAST/ISO 15919: Mānak Hindī), is an Indo-Aryan language spoken chiefly in India. Hindi has been described as a standardised and Sanskritised register of the Hindustani language, which itself is based primarily on the Khariboli dialect of Delhi and neighbouring areas of Northern India. Hindi, written in the Devanagari script, is one of the two official languages of the Government of India, along with the English language. It is an official language in 9 States and 3 Union Territories...

CiurkitboyN

16:41

what does hindi mean

no...

I have a japanese song in there but it's just a theme song to a show i watch

what is it called?

CiurkitboyN

have some music

musiclab.chromeexperiments.com/Song-Maker/song/4941037779288064

Vikas

@Wolff I had only started.

@CiurkitboyN can u do something different? I see same feeling almost every one

CiurkitboyN

by any chance is this you?

youtube.com/channel/…

nevermind

saw the channel

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN no way. Mine is unpublished until i upload next

CiurkitboyN

someone just now subscribed to me two seconds ago

well my alt I mean

they subbed to my alt

joojaa

16:46

@Wolff everbody has to be honest. For it not to be random youd have to define a universal system for knowledge

CiurkitboyN

Wolff

@joojaa How philosophical.

@joojaa, I actually had a real question.

CiurkitboyN

I know a truly random process

(:<
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@Vikas which one? what was it called

Wolff

@joojaa If in JavaScript I use Math.random to generate the individual pixels of an image I always get noise. And if I use it to generate random dice throws I always get equal distribution of throws after a few million throws.

Vikas

Wolff

16:52

@joojaa Because it's equally distributed, right?

CiurkitboyN

...

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN when 2 elders are talking we shouldn't interrupt

why don't you play your favorite minecraft?

CiurkitboyN

@Vikas because It's not on the chromebook

and I usually play it on my grandmas laptop

@Vikas I can't I'm addicted to patterns and symmetry look at any picture I've ever sent you..

Vikas

Wolff

@joojaa But what if I use math.random to pick a random number within a certain range, convert that number to binary and display it as an image? Would there be a possibility that it could generate a recognizable image?

@Vikas is that for me?

CiurkitboyN

16:55

@Wolff It's for me

Vikas

@Wolff it will target automatically the person for whom it is

Wolff

(I can't write three sentences without random noise being generated in between)

Vikas

@Wolff yeah

we should chat turn by turn

Wolff

@Vikas It's pretty discouraging.

CiurkitboyN

@CiurkitboyN that's why I don't have much variety

lol replied to myself oops

Vikas

16:58

@Wolff it's not for u

Wolff

@joojaa I've tried doing so, but since most possibilities are noise anyway, I can't tell if there is a theoretic possibility of getting any image and not just noise.

@Vikas Still

CiurkitboyN

@vikas let's go here where we won't bother @Wolff

The Room Of Chaos

Chaotic people talking about chaotic things

Vikas

@PieBie interesting.

@CiurkitboyN i like in here better

CiurkitboyN

ok

Vikas

atmosphere here is good

@CiurkitboyN make a song not random music

CiurkitboyN

17:02

I'm doing that right now that last thing was a joke

Vikas

@Wolff this was also discouraging.

CiurkitboyN

...

Vikas

....

CiurkitboyN

...

Wolff

@Vikas You are doing what I asked you not to do. 😀 But yeah, it was a scary image.

Vikas

17:07

@Wolff in.pinterest.com/pin/20125529555086903

it is photoshopped apparently

Wolff

@Vikas Good work Sherlock

CiurkitboyN

musiclab.chromeexperiments.com/Song-Maker/song/5461617561567232

pretty bad

I know nothing about music

Vikas

@Wolff wolff I tried 2 lessons of that brienf intro website, got lazy after that. It means i'm not interested in learning music, just curious

CiurkitboyN

I think you replied to the wrong message...

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN yeah pretty bad. You make same thing again and again

think out of the box

CiurkitboyN

17:10

musiclab.chromeexperiments.com/Shared-Piano/#6kT-KkWj1

I have no brain

Vikas

@CiurkitboyN tell me something new

CiurkitboyN

I have one brain cell

brb

@wolff I'm not sure there is anything because I am not terribly interesting
...

Vikas

10 mins ago, by CiurkitboyN

I think you replied to the wrong message...

CiurkitboyN

The Elements by Tom Lehrer

just found this song

It's neat

@Vikas well who got pinged?

CiurkitboyN

17:36

do you still have that one face attached to your clipboard or something?

@vikas

CiurkitboyN

17:47

I have a website now

Vikas

hi @Mast

Mast

Hi @Vikas

Vikas

How come in a foreign room? 😜

Mast

Oh, I frequent a lot of rooms.

Not all who wander are lost.

Vikas

nice

Wolff my space question has got 2 upvotes so far. No answer yet.

@CiurkitboyN found an interesting room

@CiurkitboyN www.whydontyougosleep.com.

curious

18:05

@Mast For some reason, a lot of these end up here though :)

Vikas

9 people online

Mast

@curious This room sure changed since the last time I was here.

Wolff

@Mast When was that?

Mast

Oh, apparently June 1st. I thought that was a different room.

Wolff

@Mast You interested in graphic design? Or just hanging out?

Mast

18:15

I've done some very minor (non professional) things in it, but I got family that used to work in the business.

Apparently it piques my interest every so often.

Not lately though, today was just by chance and June 1st for a flag.

Someone got confused a bit, no worries.

Wolff

@Mast Just had a look at your profile. Seems like there isn't many subjects that don't interest you. 😀

Mast

:-)

Wolff

@Mast You seem experienced in coding. I asked a question to another user earlier who didn't reply. It's lost in the noise now. About randomness. You have any knowledge about that? Specifically Math.random in JavaScript.

CiurkitboyN

@Mast I think I know that person...

Mast

@Wolff I try to stay away from JavaScript.

@CiurkitboyN Welcome back.

CiurkitboyN

18:22

yeah I probably won't do that again but geez that half hour went by fast

Wolff

@Mast A programmer would say that ...

Mast

@CiurkitboyN It seems you decided to spam a rickroll link in multiple chat rooms at the same time. Including one where people were trying to have a civil conversation. Please don't, people get annoyed when you disrupt a conversation like that.

CiurkitboyN

yeah

...

I won't

Mast

Good, no worries then.

Vikas

@Mast why?

Mast

18:25

@Vikas I learned programming in variations of Basic, Fortran and C. Those are fairly strict languages, so you know what you're dealing with.

JavaScript is more of a "throw it at the wall, see what sticks" kind of thing.

It used to be much worse, nowadays you have TypeScript and all kinds of fancy frameworks with styleguides to prevent hazards.

Wolff

@Mast I totally understand that. And JavaScript is also often run in a browser with many quirks. It's just what i know. I only code stuff for myself for fun.

CiurkitboyN

@Mast one thing I do have to admire is how fast yall can react to anything that happens it is instantneous

Mast

C is dangerous. JavaScript is dangerous. Yet they both have their strengths and they're both very useful.

Vikas

I learnt programming through JS only. When I was in college, we started with C. I never understood even a basic a + b = c program in C. It haunted me.

But I think I never knew how to learn a language at that time. If I today want to learn, I can learn basic C without that much fear.

@Mast 🤣

Mast

My current banes are XML, Python and Excel. And I'm fairly proficient at only one of those.

Wolff

18:28

@Mast Anyway my question is more theoretical about randomness and how it gives "uniformly distributed" results over time (in lack of better terms).

Vikas

@Mast MS Excel?

Mast

@Vikas Yes.

Vikas

@Mast Isn't MS office dying?

Mast

@Vikas No.

Vikas

in my old office, I hardly saw using people softwares, they would use only online tools like google docs

ok

Wolff

18:30

@Vikas I would say perhaps 95% of the times people send me text it's in the form of a Word document.

Vikas

@Wolff Bezos asked employees not to use powerpoint

Mast

I haven't touched PowerPoint in at least 2,5 years.

But Word, Excel and Outlook are still immensely popular in offices.

Access is getting replaced by proper databases, mostly.

Vikas

we have 10 users now!

highest in last 2 years?

@Mast I never knew what's the purpose of Access :P

We all are discussing advanced level Graphic Design XD

joojaa

@Wolff you can do it thats sort of what gravatar does.

It seeds my name and hashes it to get a image. There is a rule in between but there always is.

Random is one way to obtain a hash

Wolff

@joojaa OK. Thinking more about my question I think I'm really asking: Is the individual decimals in a random number more "randomly" distributed than a series of math.random calls?

I just noticed doing some dice experiments that I never got more than I dunno 10 sixes in a row. Irl you could theoretically get a million sixes in a row.

So one Math.random call could return 0.666666666666666666666666666666, but 30 Math.random calls in a row would never return the same number by definition.

Vikas

18:52

Math.random()

wow it works

Wolff

@Vikas 🤨😂

Vikas

@Wolff Why laughing? It works

Wolff

@Vikas Yes, it gives 5 every time

Vikas

Math.random()

let's see again

see

Wolff

@Vikas 🤨😂

Vikas

18:55

@Wolff now you believe me?

Wolff

@Vikas I laughed OK? Now it's seven every time

Vikas

@Wolff can't Math.random() produce 7 for a couple time continously?

Wolff

@Vikas No, it seems not. It's aware of previous numbers so to speak. Or rather follows a pattern. Not "random" at all, but "noise"

Vikas

@Wolff I don't think it's aware of preivous

Wolff

@Vikas Following a pattern is a way of being aware.

@Vikas I said "so to speak"

joojaa

19:07

@Wolff its pseudorandom yes so. But the number you get has no decimals its still entirely binary

Wolff

@joojaa OK, but that just shifts the pattern

Vikas

bye nice chatting yall

Wolff

@joojaa Do you get my image example? At a given image size, one of the possible images is my avatar. Am I right that randomizing each pixel individually will never yield that image, but using a single random number as data will theoretically? (Although the number is probably not long enough).

@Vikas 👋

Vikas

19:43

hi

The Room Of Chaos

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