Can't, I don't know anything about it.

@A.B. as per our current meta it looks like adding tags is a substantial enough edit rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11503/…

Well, not the kind of abstruse stuff RPG.SE questions tend to be about, anyway.

We have thousands of questions that aren't properly tagged.

Hmm? Well, I could see if there's any of those, then. OK.

If you do 8 of those, I would appreciate it.

You probably don't want to do more than that unless you are part of the group of users that can do more than that and get away with it.

If you are looking for a specific querey, you could type: "Simulacrum -[simulacrum] is:q" or "Wish is:q -[wish]" and add the Simulacrum or Wish tag in those questions where appropriate. Appropriate would be where being an expert on either would be helpful in solving the question.

@Akixkisu I'm not entirely sure what you complaint it, but I'm pretty sure recent nudges where about the sim tag being undecided yet, though that's a judgement thing and I'd be really surprised if the votes change again. And if they do, we'd just end up symming it into spells, no?

@Someone_Evil that is an old one and has nothing to do with the sim tag.

Ah, ok. Well from own experiences of retagging projects, doing a handful each day should be viable, though yes, they take some time. That's ok

The issue is more about how many edits I can have on the front page at any given time.

That is about 8.

Since there is no activity I can't do anymore without surpassing that number.

> Appropriate would be where being an expert on either would be helpful in solving the question.

Not entirely sure what you mean here, since the ones that are coming up (for Wish, anyway) are ones that were answered long ago.

I think the line we've usually used is whether the question is about the topic the tag is for, the expert tag is a touch wobbly here

I'd think it would still be useful for the benefit of people who are looking up that topic. Would you agree? Stack Exchange rules are often not how I'd have expected them to be.

Yes, that.

@A.B. yup.

@Someone_Evil well, that is not entirely true. I can talk about one thing a lot in the body of the question, but that thing needs a meaningful tie to the core of the question.

@Akixkisu Well, emphasis was on about, it needs to be about that topic, and not just incidentally mentioning it

@Someone_Evil yes, and the tag is generally there to connect experts as per general guidances (it also connects querents, and those that might become querents).

I wasn't saying it was wrong, but may be slightly harder to use, because for a lot TRPGs you don't get distinct experts per topics (for many of our tags) so that use-view isn't the most efficient

"Tags are a means of connecting experts with questions they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories."

@Someone_Evil ah yes, if you view it more broadly and to application, then that might make it easier to use.

There, run out of edits.

@A.B. thank you.

Is limited Wish included in the Wish umbrella?

@NautArch why wouldn't it be included in the wish umbrella?

I don't know about 3.5/PF to say

There are few spells that fit more I'd say.

@Akixkisu I...don't know. THat's why I'm asking. I'm not a 3.5 expert.

(I still use the old one) legacy.aonprd.com/coreRulebook/spells/…

@A.B. You tagged that one, can you let me know if limited wish is part of the wish umbrella?

"or neigh omnipotent and often but not always have a way of going wrong."

I don't know, I don't know Pathfinder, so remove that one if you like.

I think someone would have the onus to argue why that is not part of the wish umbrella to do so.

And while I think the edits (and edit volume) was fine, I'll just offer the thought that the stacks desire is to limit the number of old and mostly resolved questions on the active page, so that they don't push aside the recent questions/answers which need the daylight. Splitting it across multiple users doesn't solve that, we've just described it in terms of individual users, because usually there's not many making such edits

And one really shouldn't be tagging if they aren't experts on the question.

@Someone_Evil I disagree with that, and there is no guidance on that. All current guidance is about individual limitations. You can probably successfully do a meta about how many edits from old questions are appropriate to have on the front page at any given time regardless of the number of users who are editing.

Not sure why you'd want that, tbh.

Y'know, I"m going to move this to Dragons.

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One thing that does confuse me slightly is that flooding the front page is bad when there's an entire tab specifically to look at only recently asked questions. Though it does mean you would miss recently added answers

@Medix2 I've always been an active search filterer.

But yeah, you can find people saying flooding the front page is bad. You can find people saying that if you have a bunch of edits to make you should make all of them at once. And you can definitely find that people won't agree what tags questions should have in the first place, especially when reaching the five tag limit.

@Akixkisu As I said, yes, when we've talked about it it has been in terms of individual users activity, because that's been where the problem is. But the reason we want to limit such activity isn't about the individual user, but the resulting effect on the page

And I don't see the need for such a meta either, because if you read the reasons in the existing guidance, it should be pretty clear that splitting it on multiple users isn't a solutions

@Medix2 And other edits

@Someone_Evil Yeah that's fair, you could just ignore edits by particular users mentally but that's... not really a solution

Fair enough, as far as I'm concerned; I was just doing it because Akixkisu wanted to edit something and was stuck in a queue.

I remember a long while ago I edited like 40 wish questions to include the tag at once and learned about the downsides of flooding the front page. I hadn't even touched the active tab at that time so had no idea it was doing anything

Really, it's a pity that there isn't a box you can tick to say "this edit should/shouldn't lead to the post being bumped". That'd allow people to re-tag postings that already have perfectly good answers and don't need bumping, but do need a new tag for "indexing" purposes.

Yeah, the main goal is to not disrupt how other users make normal use of the stack. And you can't always know a thing would do that until they tell you it did

@A.B. But would allow for so much potential abuse

How's that?

At the moment, it always bumps. I'm not sure how giving people the option not to bump would allow for abuse, but I may have overlooked something.

Well, it would allow editing in things they shouldn't without it being bumped and looked at

Oh, that's true. Although don't all edits have to be looked at before they go through anyway?

Trolls could create a mess. Same reason you can't edit self deleted questions

@A.B. Not to your own questions or answers I believe

@A.B. Users with 2k rep can edit other posts freely

Ah, right.

@Someone_Evil Splitting it up on multiple users is what our front page is, if you take that away, then editing stops.

@Someone_Evil I still question who these people are.

@Akixkisu No, because that's different activity

We have new questions, we have people who want to have a gander at edits, but there seems to be a lack of good faith charitability.

@Akixkisu Me, NautArch, the mods, and I am sure plenty of other people

But alas I do things in the way I have been doing things, just let me know when you limit that further, I will always comply.

Also, like... none of the questions where people are asking about flooding the main page are asked specifically because one user flooded it. They are because it is flooded at all

If you tell me 8 edits are too much I will limit myself to n6.

How exactly is the re-tagging supposed to get done, then? Or don't you want it done?

@Akixkisu That's not what you've been told previously, and not what you've been told now. We don't operate with hard limits like that, but if you want to set one for yourself so you know you won't be disruptive, that's fine. But trying to rules-lawyer your own rule and assume it'll still work isn't a good idea. That's what I wanted to avoid here

I can see how flooding the front page with re-taggings is a nuisance, but if you do want the re-tagging done, then that's a lot of questions and they've got to be done some time.

@A.B. Small, spaced out batches. I think Nits' rule of thumb was about 6 per 12 normal, which I think works well for many

Oh, that's a good rule.

So, half a dozen edits to old questions per dozen normal activity. Numbers can be understood to be fuzzy

@Someone_Evil 5-10 by Dg.

Although you'd have to go through the front page and check what the last edit was on each one before you started, to do that.

Which makes it rather a big job.

Like I tried to say with fuzzy, you don't have to be strict about the numbers. But it shouldn't be to hard to spot if you're straying from it

@Akixkisu Maybe @Nitsua60 favours the duodecimal system more than @doppelgreener goes then. I donno

@Someone_Evil you also seem to completely misunderstand why I asked somebody to edit.

"Fuzzy" doesn't help, the point is you have to check how many of the previous edits are also re-tags, and do that again every time you add a batch.

24 hours have passed since I edited and they are still on the front page.

@Akixkisu I have? Why did you then?

@A.B. I posted a meta about one of your edits, if you remember what you did on that one it might answer my question.

OK I'll have a look.

I asked for anybody to be active at all.

I suggested how such an activity might look like.

Editing questions.

Uhm... I dare say this is close enough to the bone to warrant the discussion, and to be clear, I don't actually have a problem with the edits that happened here, but wanted to get in ahead of those same mechanisms which the linked message (and those above it) imply

Yeah Akixkisu suggested doing re-tagging because I said I'd like to contribute but didn't know the answer to anything on the front page.

@Akixkisu Let me make sure Im understanding you correctly: you understand that one user editing 20 questions rapidly is a problem, and think 4 users editing 5 questions each is totally different and not a problem?

@NautArch The scope of wish seems to cover limited wish just fine, based on the tag description.

Possibly relevant: was Akixkisu wanting to get off the front page in order to do more re-tagging or editing, or in order to do something else?

@ThomasMarkov no you are having a completely different conclusion to the events of no activity at all.

@ThomasMarkov The problem: I edited a reasonable amount of questions more than 24 hours ago. There is no activity on main site.

To not have more than 8 edits on main site, somebody needs to do something.

Such as editing.

Or asking questions.

Or answering questions.

And so you think someone else doing the edits you were gonna do changes things?

Was edits what you were going to do?

@ThomasMarkov ????

Are you okay?

Yeah, Im just trying to understand what you were trying to do here

I'm out of here.

It sounds like ThomasMarkov is saying that you

did a lot of edits and then wanted somebody else to do more edits so you could post more edits again, rather than waiting for actual questions or answers. Is that, in fact, the case or did you want to post something different?

@Akixkisu get that if/when you get it, anyway.

@A.B. Yes, this is what it looks like, but if this isn't it, I'm trying to understand what it is.

@ThomasMarkov That's a different thing to what she where trying to achieve

I'm thinking it could either be that or Akixkisu wanted to get out of limbo in order to make a "real" posting. Can't tell which.

On the note of wanting more things to happen, I think the best thing is simply to wait. What you want more of is the normal, let's say natural, activity. And trying to encourage more of that sooner would make it not normal. Though I understand the frustration of having to wait on others

Can always amuse yourself with a different SE, instead! If Akixkisu actually has a question or something to post on RPG.SE, and can't until the front page clears, that's unfortunate, but I suppose it can't be helped.

@Akixkisu If you want some artificial activity, I can try to do a necromancer badge hunt