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1:09 PM

So like, is Korvin trying to make a particuar point that im just missing by ignoring the format of the question on the community check in?

Someone_Evil

Are those two different topics? If you call it "user variety" and point to both the facet that is community moderation and that which is new users and their reception

illustro

His revised answer is focused on a single issue (much more so than the original incarnation was). His revised answer I'm reading as, Korvin is frustrated by the change in tone and "voice" of the site, for which there are two salient examples, and a suggestion on how we can change the tone and voice of the site

NautArch

I"m going to move this convo to dragons, s'okay?

illustro

:thumbs up:

NautArch

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Thomas Markov

1:15 PM

"lost of people performing reviews" and "we have new users" are entirely different issues right? Or is the "one premise per answer" just "korvin is happy when he sees this"?

illustro

his examples, to me, read as "the tone of responses to questions has changed substantially":

Thomas Markov

@illustro Yeah, his first answer is in better shape than it was.

illustro

1. this new tone actively causes frustration with new users

Thomas Markov

The new answer is just two unrelated observations.

illustro

2. the tone has shifted to "everything must have a ruling for our interactions"

which boils down to "I think we are becoming too proscriptive in how we act on the site, and it's actively hurting how we interact with newer users"

which is a single issue

(or at least thats my reading of it)

Thomas Markov

1:20 PM

@illustro Yeah, I think that's a good read on that answer.

NautArch

The biggest issue with tone that i've seen isn't between existing users and new users. It's when a new user asks a borderline question and existing users argue in comments.

illustro

@NautArch I think thats definitely a problem we've been having (which may be influenced by how polarised the world outside has become)

and potentially as a reaction to that polarisation, the existing users are trying to act against it by becoming more proscriptive

to avoid these types of arguments

NautArch

I dunno, I feel like I used to be much more proscriptive stackizen, but have (maybe?) changed. ANd I"m not seeing the proscription in general as much.

illustro

I'm seeing it more personally, but again this may be a perception bias issue. TBH, I'm seeing it more in a lot of places on the internet, which is making me withdraw more from a lot of them because I can't be bothered to deal with the "debate" on what is the "right" way for things to be done

NautArch

But I do comment quite a bit and if I can improve my tone, I'd like to know ;)

illustro

1:35 PM

The big problem we have with tone tbh, is that as a text based site, we lose ~90% of the nuance of our communication as humans when reading text

NautArch

@illustro A fantasy sports board I"m on has had a major exodus of users. Mostly because they're hard right and realizing that those attitudes aren't so welcome.

Thomas Markov

@NautArch what youre saying is, we're gonna do rpg.se fantasy football next fall.

illustro

@NautArch While I am happy that some things (like racism) have come more under the spotlight, and the internet in general has become a much more hostile place for those types of views, at the same time we lose something as a species by forcing people into tribes hitched onto a singular viewpoint

NautArch

@illustro Yeah, the issue of sweep under rug or act is a tough one.

illustro

This video made me rethink a lot of how I interact on the internet, and how I view things I come across on the internet: youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc

(CGP Grey on the topic of how you can think of ideas as a "thought germ")

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