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6:01 PM
"somehow" meaning "mostly by accident" :p
and I joined on the 12th, so 6 days I think?
 
Some call it luck, I call it dedication
 
wait, less than a week? damn
 
@bobble That's what I said
 
I'm genuinely just as surprised as you are
 
I believe this did merit a swear-ish word :)
 
6:02 PM
@bobble I don't even know how you can end up in that sort of position
Wait @bobble and @Matt, your schools haven't gone into hybrid yet?
 
@NorthLæraðr I guess that someone signed up for something health-related, but didn't want to give their own phone number and so gave a random one, or one that is close to theirs but not exact. Unfortunately, they gave my number.
 
Yikes
 
@bobble Happened to me before, I repeatedly got calls for "Alicia" who had given my phone number for something Blue Cross related. They harassed me for like 2 weeks until I finally just blocked their number and told them I would submit an FCC complaint if they called again
 
@NorthLæraðr nope. Though, there are some students already back in small groups: ESL learners, special-ed students, and those who have trouble learning at home because of various technical/learning-style challenges.
 
@bobble Dang. That kind of sucks
Though I guess the better question is would you want to go back to in-person?
 
6:05 PM
Yes, because I'm taking lab courses.
When the physics workbook says I can "use tools commonly found in an AP physics lab" I go "but I have literally no idea what those are because I've never been in an AP physics lab"
 
@NorthLæraðr nope
 
@matt Yikes
 
I used to see my friends at the very least for a few minutes before school started... I've seen one recently to deliver a present, and that's it since school began
 
@bobble I don't even see 80% of my friends even in person, so it's not much better :/
You see, a third of the students are on-campus at a time, and pretty much a majority of my friends chose to stay in distance learning or are in a different hybrid group
 
6:12 PM
Our apartment has also been pretty empty these last few months. A lot of my friends have health conditions and autoimmune conditions that would make COVID very dangerous for them, so we haven't taken any chances.
 
My immediate family doesn't have pre-existing conditions that would matter (except allergies), but I'm perpetually worrying about my grandparents.
 
Same. My dad actually works at the hospital, so when COVID first hit, he was very, very cautious
It got to a point where my mom got annoyed at him because he wouldn't eat dinner at the same place or time as us
 
oof
 
A friend of mine who is a nurse was terrified because the hospital didn't provide proper PPE or PPE training for the longest time, she was the only PPE-training-certified person in the hospital that she knew of and their gear was not sufficient to treat COVID patients. So she basically quarantined herself from her kids for a month or so because she knew she was just going to get infected at some point and didn't want to infect her kids with her.
 
And my mom doesn't really like getting shots, so my dad got annoyed at her when she almost refused to take a flu shot when she went to go see her primary for something
@Sciborg My dad's work told them to reuse their PPE. You can imagine he was quite annoyed by that
 
6:18 PM
@NorthLæraðr Yikes.
 
@Sciborg One of my dad's co-workers pretty much did the same thing
 
Nurses were treated so horribly in general during the start of the pandemic, they probably still are.
 
The Hawai'i hospitals have the stupid restriction that if you're not the patient you can't go in. So my grandma, who has the beginnings of dementia, had to navigate the halls by herself to get to her cancer treatment, and my grandpa stood outside and hoped she didn't get lost. You can image that he was upset with this.
 
Another friend of mine was fresh out of nursing school and got called in to work at a New York hospital, and she quit after three days because she couldn't take the stress of making life or death decisions about who to unplug from ventilators. Basically called me in tears because she had to make life changing decisions in her literal first days as a nurse.
 
@Sciborg Nurses almost always get treated horribly
 
6:21 PM
@bobble That is horrible, oh my god.
 
She's done with the hospital stuff now, thank goodness, but it was stressful for everyone.
 
Pour one out for nurses, they don't get paid anywhere damn near enough
 
I shall send bobblies to do cheer-up dances for them
 
I will never goddamn forget me picking up the phone and the strongest woman I know sobbing into my ear "I can't do this Mick"
I'm sorry about your dad too @NorthLæraðr, rough as hell.
 
6:27 PM
"Playing of wind instruments (any instrument played by the mouth, such as a trumpet or clarinet) is strongly discouraged."-CDPH
 
I don't think anyone has had a great time during this pandemic, but healthcare workers still got worse than most
 
Are you serious?!
 
bagpipes?
 
@JohnDvorak The guidelines are like, "band is fine, except no wind instruments"
 
@bobble Definitely, that's not to discount you guys at all. You all had a horrible time with school uncertainty and a terrible end to the year. We all had a crappy pandemic time. I just felt so bad for my healthcare friends who had it way worse than I did
 
6:29 PM
What, are we all supposed to play percussion instruments?
 
Piano and strings.
Violin OP
 
Ugh, honestly violins are OP
 
organ would presumably still be OK
 
bongo drums
 
So far, percussion, strings, and keyboard instruments are okay
 
6:31 PM
Do the ultimate flex, bring a 16th century lyre
 
Singing on autotune is bad, but you can achieve pretty much the same result on a voder.
 
Then tell people off if they pronounce "lyre" wrong
 
@bobble Flex on that one harp kid in your state
(Literally, no one plays harp- the piano is so much better why is harp still a thing)
 
Harp is great though
 
harp is better if you use in in a CC - it has multiple meanings!
obviously the reason for its existance
 
6:33 PM
but hard...
 
Do better, harpsichord
 
You actually need to be loaded to play harp
It's not just that harp is expensive to buy (though it is)
 
harp is a better instrument of combat
 
Because no one plays harp, you're pretty much going to need a full-time private instructor
Hap is also huge, so your house needs to be able to accommodate that
AND you need to somehow be able to transport it around
 
Idea: make it out of pure steel, and call it "heavy metal"
 
6:34 PM
*Harp
 
@bobble are you suggesting weapons-grade harps exist
 
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At least if you play the harp, you're pretty much guaranteed a spot in most music colleges
 
I googled "battle harp" and that came up
so yes, battle harps
 
"I don't mean to HARP on this but it's time for you to die"
 
6:36 PM
@Sciborg No HARP feelings. It's nothing personal
 
"Looks like you're not the HARPEST knife in the drawer"
 
@Sciborg Time to HARPEN my knife
 
"I hope you've got your STRINGS in order"
 
You can BLOW your loved ones good bye
 
I'm proud of the fact that our puns were so bad that @matt left the chat
 
6:38 PM
Hahahaha
 
I assume the two stars on that picture are from you two?
 
Make it three now
@ me
 
Well, probably John, me and Sciborg
Because we three are the only ones here
(aside from bobble)
 
I emailed a teacher saying, basically "hurry up on that letter of rec" and he emailed back saying "but where is my FERPA?"
ummm... it appears I forgot to send the email a while back facepalm
 
FERPA?
 
6:39 PM
Isn't that the privacy rights thing you have to sign for schools?
 
I have to sign it to waive my rights to look at his letter of rec
 
@bobble now BOW to me, infidel!
 
Ohh yeah, I forgot you can't look at letters of rec
 
Huh, interesting
Why not?
 
Basically it's the "I promise not to peek" clause
 
6:40 PM
Private Educational Information
 
It's meant to be a teacher's true, private thoughts about you and it contains private educational information, so you're not supposed to read it
 
Oh, I see
 
Admittedly the only one I had a professor write, he secretly let me look at it, so I guess that makes me a criminal
 
Wait wdym private educational information? Like "he was a slow student"?
 
grades and such
 
6:42 PM
Ah
 
Lol imagine if it said "he was a crappy student 1/10"
 
LMAOOOO
That's like an anti-letter of rec
 
"Literally worst student I've ever had"
 
One time I told a teacher it was urgent, so he wrote it after-school in front of me, printed it, signed it, and then just gave it to me without any privacy envelope or such.
(benefits of being a teacher's pet)
 
@Sciborg "Literal garbage. Do not take"
 
6:44 PM
Yeah, the professor that I had write it for me was like "hey you wanna read it? I wrote some nice things about you" and he just let me read it. He was super chill
 
@bobble Did you read it?
 
'course I read it
 
@bobble My band teacher basically makes you fill out a pre-form that talks about all the great stuff you did in his class, presumably so he doesn't have to actually write one?
@Sciborg "Student excelled in only demonstrating his utter incompetence. Would say only useful as a janitor but worried about school's plumbing system"
 
@NorthLæraðr Lmao
 
"Student somehow managed to make every combination of chemicals available in the chemistry lab. Recommend only if you want many toxic explosions daily"
 
6:47 PM
@bobble You see, I started quarter three with a D in Geometry my freshmen year, but my teacher liked me anyways despite me almost failing her class
 
"Student's C++ code made me literally cry and beg God for answers"
 
"Recommended to extract information from criminals via torture or creating weapons of mass destruction"
 
"Student turns every essay, no matter the book, into strange conspiracy-theory rants"
 
"Student somehow managed to fail the test despite clear evidence of cheating."
 
"Every child is a special and beautiful snowflake. Except him."
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6:49 PM
"Would've given zero except the student got no answers right to begin with"
 
"First time I've ever given an F-"
 
"Student appears to be actively trying to fail the class"
 
"Student attempted to stage a 'mutiny'. Every single day of class."
 
"Student managed to be absent despite coming to class. I don't even know how that works"
"Student hacked into my grade book... to lower their grades"
 
"Student spoke exclusively in bad limericks, with the occasional terrible haiku"
 
6:52 PM
@NorthLæraðr it's called zoning out
 
"Student demonstrated excellent proficiency in sleeping"
 
flashbacks to staring at the wall for 50 minutes for my gen ed classes
 
"Would make exceptional test-subject for dream study sciences"
 
I probably had the wall of my Religion 101 class memorized
 
I experimented with how hair behaves when you knot it, depending on the thickness of the strand
 
6:55 PM
Also valid
 
@bobble if you can quote a bible verse that relates to the topic, you'll get a point from me
 
@JohnDvorak Wait what
 
?
 
The hair-knotting was in English 11
 
I would not be surprised if some hair-knotting verse is found in like Psalms... or the prophet books
 
6:58 PM
Probably one of the sexist ones about how women can't knot their hair because it's unclean or whatever
 
> Ecc 4:12 And someone may overpower one alone, but two together can take a stand against him. And a threefold cord cannot quickly be torn apart.
 
@JohnDvorak I don't think that's a hair-knotting reference
 
loose connection, but still
 
"Thus spoketh the LORD God of Israel: 'And I ye shall grow like the hairs of those who could not have gotteneth their hairs cut during COVID, and I shall maketh thee as prosperous as the economic situation of 'Murica'"
 
@NorthLæraðr Spoken like the LORD himself
 
7:00 PM
'Murica
 
> 1Ti 2:9 Likewise, the women should adorn themselves in appropriate dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive clothing
 
Ah, there we go
I knew there was a sexist one about hair braiding
 
ah, so dressing up to feel pretty = bad?
 
@JohnDvorak Wasn't that bc back then that meant you were a prosititute?
I'm pretty sure there's more context than that
 
There probably is context but... it's not great even with context.
 
7:02 PM
Even today too much clothing can mean the person's lacking in other regards
 
Hold on grabbing my Greek Interlinear New Testament Bible
 
I mean it's probably a condemnation of greed or over-materialism, it just comes across a bit poorly in a modern age :p
 
this chat today has had: COVID gripes, school gripes, battle harps, bad letters of rec, and now hair braiding
did I miss anything?
 
also, note that none of those topics are related to, ya know, Puzzling.SE
 
7:04 PM
@Sciborg Probably a quotation of the full verse would be appropriate
 
We definitely got off Puzzling again
coughs in unsolved C4
 
> 1Ti 2:9-10 Likewise, the women should adorn themselves in appropriate dress, with modesty and soundness of mind, not with styles of hair braiding and gold or pearls or very expensive clothing, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God
 
Think of Victorian style clothing. Not really screaming "I'm a humble person", is it?
 
The exact Greek translation reads something akin to "but with what is appropriate for women who are committed to godliness, namely, with good deed"
 
7:06 PM
@JohnDvorak Baroque was all about that spazzz and bling bling
 
exactly
 
That purple is a really pretty color though
 
OTOH, $100
 
Anyyyyways before this gets into a religious fiasco
 
for a dress that won't last a single wearing
 
7:09 PM
That C4 is still disturbing
@JohnDvorak Completely fair
But hey, it's PRETTY
 
I have a dinner date in an hour, so I'll probably drop my second C4 hint before I leave :p there has been a lot of focus on a thing in the C4 I honestly didn't intend to be important, so I'm going to clear that up with the second hint and maybe that will help make things more straightforward.
 
Any ideas on what throat could mean in terms of wordplay?
@Sciborg Ooh lah lah
 
Not that kind of date, shush :p
 
@Sciborg oOh LAh laH
 
<leaving for lunch>
 
7:12 PM
I'm guessing "was badly shaken" is the def. Something like "traumatized", but a 7 letter word of that
was badly shaken could also be an adjective, perhaps?
ALARMED, perhaps?
 
Would the hint help before I go?
 
Yes please
 
C4 Hint #2: "Attendees" exists only to make the surface grammatically correct. It's not a vital part of the wordplay. (I apologize for confusion, it's only my second C4 and I forgot unnecessary words are discouraged. It's the only word I consider truly unnecessary in the clue.)
 
Okay, so Jafe is probably correct about five-hundred being "D"
speak of the devil
 
hey
 
7:26 PM
hallo
 
my dad just made a terrible dam pun: "damn! it's a dam!"
 
Dad jokes
 
indeed
 
my favourite is "girl, are you a beaver? cause dam!"
 
Oh no groaaan
 
7:27 PM
i guess it's more of a dad pickup line
 
yes
 
"Are you a river? Because I'll give you a dam anytime"
 
what have I done
uh anyway
 
I'm guessing the parsing might be (Elizabeth's throat-(net))+(strike-limbs)+D
Maybe
 
could be a bunch of words with first+last (limbs) removed
 
7:33 PM
Hm, that's possible too, though it's only seven letters long
 
Avi
by the way, (totally irrelevant aside here) the word "BELONG" can also be split as "BE" and "LONG"
 
I have a good feeling about RATTLED. I don't know why
 
Avi
It won't be long before this comment doesn't belong
 
@jafe Perhaps the entire sub-def of "elizabeth's throat cut by net strike" with the first and last removed?
But then what is "by" supposed to mean?
 
"cut by" could be "inserted into"
 
7:40 PM
So Elizabeth's throat inserted into strike limbs removed?
There's A LOT of synonyms for "strike"
 
indeed
 
indeed = in + deed
 
I don't think Elizabeth is BENNET, because there are barely any seven letter words which start with BEN
Not the least of which seem to mean "badly shaken"
 
net strike could be RAID or HACK
 
do you think "throat" is an indicator, or part of a charade?
 
7:47 PM
What is a net strike
 
internet strike
is what I think jafe was thinking
 
@bobble I think an indicator. Bc then "elizabeth's" is hard to clue for charades
 
i don't see how throat indicates anything tbh
 
Perhaps another substitute for head?
 
yeah a raid is an attack in online games, so net strike... a hack is a cyber attack so net strike
 
7:49 PM
I was thinking of a fishing net, so the whole time I was just imagining Elizbeth being cut by a very sharp fishing net
So like ER, E is removed
but then we're left with "by net strike"
I'm not sure how to get the "e" though
Can you have an annagram and then remove a letter from that anagram?
 
yes, as long as it is clearly indicated
 
you can, but the anagram would need to be direct
 
NET-->(t-)E(-n)? Looks sketch
Only way I can get an "E" though. But maybe I'm forcing this too much
 
yeah, that would render the anagram completely useless
 
yeah, anagram and "remove first/last" wouldn't be allowed to just remove any letter you want
 
7:59 PM
Yeah
Viable synonyms for "throat" include CRAW, CROP, MAW and NECK
maybe "cut" or even "cut by" is part of the charades
like EX??
EXCISE?
 
8:16 PM
Huh. WAYLAID seems to be a possible definition
If RAID is indeed an internet strike, though (r-)AI(-d)+D seems very redundant
Oh wait nope, I misread the definition
UNSTAID?
I'm not sure if the definition exactly matches
 
for a second there i thought there was an elizabeth dunst but i was thinking of kirsten dunst
"our band had to fire the player of maracas... they were badly shaken"
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Strike could be X (as in bowling scoring).
 
There are zero people whose name contain UNST in the Wikipedia page in Elizabeth
 
Elizabeth can be Barrett or Browning.
 
Strike could also be EX
 
8:31 PM
@NorthLæraðr yeah
 
Elizabeth (as mentioned by Gareth, see above) could be ER
Elizbeth Regina
Or maybe just Regina, though I don't think that's legal
 
Can "throat" mean "something that is drunk", "a drink"?
 
I don't think so. Let me check
 
Because then maybe VIRGINQUEEN has GIN cut…
 
8:35 PM
drat
 
But throat can mean "voice"
 
or as become popular to say here, of late, HOLY DRAT
 
"3: the curved part of an anchor's arm where it joins the shank
— see ANCHOR ILLUSTRATION"
it can also mean "mutter"
 
THEQUEENMUTTER has MUTTER cut :-)
 
anytime the definition includes "see anchor illustration" i think it's safe to say we're deeper into the dictionary than is required
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8:37 PM
how deep shall we go?
 
how deep is your love?
 
As deep as my throat
 
do trees have throats?
 
Meanwhile Sciborg during their hot date: (Constantly looks at phone laughing wickedly)
 
@bobble If we believe hard enough
 
8:39 PM
Anything can happen if you use your imagination.
 
yes that is a true statement
 
it could be false if we imagined hard enough
but then if it was false, we couldn't falsify it by imagination
 
arrrrrggghhhhh
 
are you okay, North?
 
Nope
Very frustrated at this C4
Bad C4! Bad C4! (thwack thwack)
 
8:48 PM
What if "was badly shaken" is the definition and doesn't refer to a person? What else can be badly shaken, and what's another word for it?
 
a soda can be badly shaken
 
and subsequently explode
 
tremble or vibrate, upset composure or shock, etc
The thing is, there re just SO MANY DEFINITIONS
@Avi help
Hold on, shaken is an adjective
Which means it doesn't necessarily have to end in d or ed
 
no, but "five hundred" seems very likely to be D to me
 
besides, you haven't shakened your soda
you've shook it
 
8:58 PM
it's "you've shaken it" -- it would be "you shook it", but "shaken" is the correct past participle
 
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Q: How to know which head belongs to which tail in a bunch of wires?

Reza GhariBetween "City A" and "City B", there is a big cable which contains 100 separate wires inside it. Unfortunately, the wires are knotted together and we can't tell which head of a wire in one side (City A), belongs to which tail on the other side (City B). The only tools that we have are: A power o...

 
bleh English
 
Side question: there was consensus reached that puzzles are no longer allowed, right? Because the tag wiki says it is "currently being debated on Meta", which is not true.
 
yeah (to some extent - there was a bit of discussion over what exactly counted as "open-ended")
 
Oh I remember that
Five hundred is most likely D yeah
Are there other words for net strike?
I’m not familiar with that term
 
9:09 PM
not a term i'm aware of either
 
Jafe proposed perhaps like RAID or HACK
 
elizabeth can be LIZ which would be promising for words ending -lized if it was a longer word
not really all that useful for 7 letters though
(or, you know, L...IZED)
 
But throat! Ugh
 
we have to remove the limbs of something, don't forget
 
throat is in a weird position in the clue, can't see any way to make it work
 
9:11 PM
Like neck?
Voice?
Ugh I want to know what throat is
 
yesterday, by Sciborg
I think my wordplay is okay, I have thoroughly checked to make sure it is completely clued and that I have the correct definition half/wordplay half format. I'll post in a few minutes when I've tweaked the surface to my liking :)
so throat is most definitely intended an most likely legal
 
Hmm... "cut" can mean a subsegment (like a cut of meat) so could mean _S T_ or the like.
 
That changes things
 
that is quite an idea!
 
That would fit in STAID of UNSTAID
Maybe it’s cut “bynet” NE?
 
9:16 PM
@NorthLæraðr Sorry?
 
I still think it’s RATTLED, with absolutely zero proof why
@msh210 Nvm
Wdym subsegment?
 
DOS could be a net strike... denial of service
 
@north substring i assume?
 
@jafe (d-)O(-s)?
Limbs removed etc
 
Elizabeth can also be R.
 
9:19 PM
Why just R? Regina?
 
Yeah, it's used in court case captions.
 
Quick question: which close-reason is used with a puzzle from from an outside contest?
 
Closed because YOU'RE A CHEATER
(sorry, I dunno)
 
I'm annoyed because I spent a while tidying up the post (it was in First Posts), and then it apparently is from a contest >:(
 
Can like battle or battler or something be net strike?
 
9:24 PM
@bobble community-specific reason > found elsewhere
 
thanks!
 
Aren’t contests from ongoing contests locked?
 
apparently it isn't active, but they still need to add attribution
 
That particular question is a bit of an old chestnut.
 
i was sure we had it here somewhere
but couldn't find a dupe target
 
9:37 PM
would this work?
 
ah yep there you go
seems similar enough to me
 
do you have to re-open to close as duplicate, or can you transfer the close reason while it stays closed?
 
would have to reopen
also, I'm not completely sure whether the number changing changes the puzzle? would have to look into it
but I do notice that in the second one it's a power of 2 - not sure if that's relevant
 
this one has 10 wires and was closed as a duplicate of the other one I linked
 
looking at it more, it looks like you can do it for any total number of wires? so yeah, will mark that one as a duplicate
 
9:50 PM
This dagnabbitted C4
 
is that a word?
if so, could you make a CC for it?
 
I think so
Interjection: dagnabbit
  1. (US, euphemistic, dated) goddamnit
  2. Dagnabbit! I lost my keys again.
I think it's from Looney Toons if I'm not mistaken?
 
it was certainly used there but i don't think that's its origin
you should probably use "shoot" or something as a def
 
@Deusovi Well, I know Yosemite Sam uses the term so
wait, Lukas suggested ERE as before?
ERED
Though hmm
 
hmm
 
9:59 PM
Shoot head off hare after father's "game" night starts. (9) (-r)ABBIT after DA + G_ + N_
legal?
 
confused about DA
 

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