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Cerberus

4:01 PM

@RegDwigнt I think this action photo trumps yours.

RegDwigнt

Why are they all different colors. Is it the Power Rangers?

Cerberus

Do you recognise him?

skullpatrol

putin?

Cerberus

That should explain his exceptional colour.

@skullpatrol Ding!

Robusto

@Cerberus That's Chernobyl the day after, right?

RegDwigнt

4:03 PM

His face looks like there's severe underpressure under that mask.

Cerberus

@Robusto Yes, and plastic helps really well against ionising radiation.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto we didn't have that many colors in the eighties.

Robusto

What? You had 8-bit graphics back then.

RegDwigнt

By the way, that sign on the wall says "take off special clothing".

Matt E. Эллен

Putin down on me
Putin down on you
No man asks for

RegDwigнt

4:04 PM

Putin off special clothing, Putin on the ritz.

Robusto

Queen & David Bowie - Under Pressure (Classic Queen Mix)

►

RegDwigнt

I've been waiting for that.

What took you so long.

Robusto

I had other tasks to perform in the meantime.

RegDwigнt

Lies.

skullpatrol

tell me lies

Robusto

4:05 PM

It's hard to pull yourself away from the Pornhub tab.

Heh, get it? "Pull yourself away" from the Pornhub tab?

RegDwigнt

Nov 29 '12 at 10:51, by RegDwighт

Lies, damn lies, and cakes.

skullpatrol

T.M.I.

RegDwigнt

There's a Pornhub tab? Where?

skullpatrol

beside the youtube tab :P

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt But he's not walking in that direction.

Robusto

4:07 PM

There's one built in to every browser these days. Saves time.

RegDwigнt

Well dang. This browser is seven years old. They stopped updating it.

Robusto

Brave (web browser)

Brave is a free and open-source web browser developed by Brave Software, Inc. based on the Chromium web browser. The browser blocks ads and website trackers, and provides a way for users to send cryptocurrency contributions in the form of Basic Attention Tokens to websites and content creators. As of 2019, Brave has been released for Windows, macOS, Linux, Android, and iOS. The current version features five search engines by default, including their partner, DuckDuckGo. == History == Brave is developed by Brave Software, which was founded on 28 May 2015 by CEO Brendan Eich (creator of Javascript...

RegDwigнt

@Robusto the phrase "is a free and open-source web browser" bores me to tears.

Just make one browser that works. I don't need fifty that don't.

Robusto

Hey, they didn't write that. Wikipedia did. Your beef is with them.

Brave works great.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I bet they did write it. And Wikipedia just copied it.

Robusto

4:12 PM

Well, go ahead and live in darkness after I show you the light.

RegDwigнt

Well okay I take that back. They wrote something much worse.

That is so grandiloquent and full of itself it is ruining my day.

And they start by saying I should enable their custom ads.

@Robusto I saw the light a long time ago. Firebird 0.7.

They don't make them like that anymore.

Robusto

4:25 PM

@RegDwigнt Are you old enough to have used the Venkman JS debugger?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto that one doesn't ring a bell.

I only know the Venkman from Ghostbusters.

But yes, I am way older than JavaScript.

Robusto

4:46 PM

@RegDwigнt Venkman was a Firefox extension that actually let you step through your JS code. It was a godsend. I even donated $100 to the guy. Before that I had to put stops in programs to test variables &c.

And yes, it was named for Ghostbusters.

CowperKettle

Russian businessmen make dire predictions, local businessmen in our region. They say the quarantine will leave more than 20% of workforce without work very, very soon, and basically a disaster will unfurl from then on. e1.ru/news/spool/news_id-69051478.html

I'm afraid there will be chaos here.

People will turn to robbery.

It will be more dangerous to venture outside for fear of being robbed and killed than for fear of the virus.

Cerberus

That's not good.

@CowperKettle Putin has promised funds for the unemployed: will those not be enough?

CowperKettle

@Cerberus 12500 rubles a month? No. My friend has a flat without a kitchen. Only a room and a toilet\shower. She pays about 2000-3000 just for the utilities (water, electricity), and on 10500 rubles a month you will end up looking like an Aushwitz victim

You need about 25000 rubles a month to stay alive

2 years ago, that friend caught a cold, and she did not took a temporary leave from job because she needed money to pay the mortgage. She ended up coughing for several months.

She coughed well into the summer.

Matt E. Эллен

5:04 PM

will landlords still evict? will they realise that if they evict there is noone to move in, so the property will be empty or squatted?

Færd

(some) Landlords are stupid.

Matt E. Эллен

aye

skullpatrol

most are greedy

Matt E. Эллен

then they should cut rent, if they are smart and greedy, because what can be afforded is better than nothing at all

Færd

I know a few eviction cases from my own alley where the place remained empty afterwards.

skullpatrol

5:07 PM

they call them slum lords for a good reason pal

Matt E. Эллен

I call them second against the wall

Færd

To be fair, my current landlord did suggest that I stop paying rent for a couple months until the economy is back on its feet. (as if it ever was)

Matt E. Эллен

sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders

Færd

Right. He's a nice person.

skullpatrol

@MattE.Эллен ? "second against the wall"?

Matt E. Эллен

5:13 PM

@skullpatrol well, I'd put the super rich there first. ymmv

Færd

Hehe

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен nummymmv

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Færd

nymmmv

Matt E. Эллен

@skullpatrol first against the wall

Mitch

5:16 PM

The sound of stuffing your face with rich people.

Matt E. Эллен

tastier than loo roll

probably

skullpatrol

@MattE.Эллен thanks pal

Matt E. Эллен

np

Færd

Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance

> Summary of the article: Strong coronavirus measures today should only last a few weeks, there shouldn’t be a big peak of infections afterwards, and it can all be done for a reasonable cost to society, saving millions of lives along the way. If we don’t take these measures, tens of millions will be infected, many will die, along with anybody else that requires intensive care, because the healthcare system will have collapsed.

skullpatrol

@Mitch is that spain?

3 hours ago, by tchrist

Spain is out of morgues. They're stacking up bodies at ice rinks.

Matt E. Эллен

5:22 PM

France

skullpatrol

ok

the western world has crumbled in less than a week

let the cyber age begin!

Matt E. Эллен

5:44 PM

cybrerage, like suferage but for AI

Robusto

Mar 9 at 1:31, by Robusto

Of course, on a long enough timeline everyone's survival rate drops to zero.

skullpatrol

not A.I.

Mitch

@Robusto Now I want them tod do a map of "Ce mec va nous faire tous tuer"

Robusto

It will have to feature a picture of Trump.

Cerberus

@Mitch Y passer sounds like a bourgeois euphemism.

Like pass away in English.

Robusto

5:56 PM

@Cerberus Or just pass now. "Aunt Edna passed last year." I kinda hate that euphemism.

Cerberus

Yeah, first I had pass, then I added away.

I don't like it either.

Robusto

It used to be pass away, but now the euphemistic are dropping the away.

It's kinda religious, the notion of passing from one state of being to another.

One state is enough, IMO.

Cerberus

Exactly.

That makes me dislike it even more.

skullpatrol

we're all going to pass into A.I.

Robusto

We'll still be dead.

skullpatrol

6:03 PM

"dead"

Robusto

I.e., not alive.

Cerberus

I think pass on is also used?

Robusto

Yes.

skullpatrol

passed on

Cerberus

In Dutch, we have doodgaan (to die, fairly neutral, not very formal), sterven (a bit more formal, good in any context), overlijden (very common, but it sounds like a euphemism to me), and heengaan (to go yon, feels very similar to English pass away).

Robusto

6:06 PM

sterven feels a lot like German sterben.

Matt E. Эллен

doodgaan -> dude gone?

skullpatrol

Cali accent^

Mitch

@Cerberus and 'crever' sounds too slangy. like a blown flat tire

Cerberus

@Robusto So it is.

@MattE.Эллен To go dead.

Which I think also exists in English.

Matt E. Эллен

ah

Mitch

6:09 PM

@Robusto That one always throws me. like they forget to finish their sentence.

Cerberus

@Mitch Hmm I don't have a feel for that one.

@Mitch Exactly!

Robusto

Mitch

@Robusto well, they're not wrong.

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus yes, but not usually used for people

Cerberus

Nice.

Robusto

6:10 PM

@Mitch Only the second state is not the one they think.

Mitch

@skullpatrol well, it's not going to be you. At best, it's going to be a copy.

@MattE.Эллен Exactly how I read it.

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Robusto

But saying they passed has academic connotations, like the alternative is failing.

Big stamp on their passport: "Promoted to grade Afterlife!!"

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен Yeah. Batteries go dead, but not people.

@Robusto level up!

or down

as the case may be

jokes about hell fall flat

Robusto

I prefer dysphemisms: kicked the bucket, bought the farm, croaked, went tits up, etc.

Mitch

6:14 PM

shit the bed, screwed the pooch, bit the big one,

those are just dysphemisms, not necessarily about death.

just to make clear

Robusto

That was already clear. What wasn't clear was why you chose that particular segue.

skullpatrol

@Mitch "you"

Cerberus

@MattE.Эллен Well, I believe it is old and/or dialectical?

Mitch

@Robusto I'd prefer not to explain

Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus perhaps

Robusto

6:20 PM

Now we need a dysphemism for preferring not to explain.

See what you've done?

Mitch

to bartleby

wait

that's a...

Robusto

Ah, a Melville reference.

Cerberus

Robusto

Perhaps I misjudged you earlier.

Mitch

eponysm?

@Robusto Nice!

I think

Robusto

6:22 PM

That sword cuts two ways, of course.

skullpatrol

Robusto

I think we should say "fucked the possum" instead of "preferred not to explain."

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Matt E. Эллен

@Cerberus I see

Cerberus

Very interesting dialogue with a slave from the Ebo.

Robusto

@skullpatrol I don't speak Danish.

Mitch

6:24 PM

@Cerberus That's all faked idiolect of slaves

so they're given made up 'bad grammar'

Robusto

Danish, by the way, is probably last on the list for "next language for me to learn."

skullpatrol

why so?

Mitch

google gives synonyms of crever in English: die,
croak
burst
puncture
pop
pop up
peg out
prick
frazzle
fag
tucker
sweat

@skullpatrol he fucked some possum, that's why

Robusto

@skullpatrol Because hard hard hard.

Danish makes German look like Russian.

Cerberus

@Mitch Why fake?

skullpatrol

6:27 PM

hmm

Cerberus

At any rate, it is perceived as existing idiom.

Robusto

@Cerberus Very likely a pidgin.

Cerberus

Yes.

books.google.nl/…

The link.

Mitch

@Cerberus 1) that's how it feels to me. the writer is not part of that idiolect and sounds like he's making it up. 2) let's presume it's not fake, then 'go dead' is only part of that dialect ('go dead' for 'die' is not part of any other dialect except for maybe toddlers (in English).

Cerberus

@Mitch I just feel it is present around the fringes of English.

Mitch

6:35 PM

@Cerberus Oh sure. But fringes.

skullpatrol

rare

Cerberus

@Mitch Sure.

Mitch

obsolete

orchaic

ol'-timey

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Ah, I see. I hope Putin will increase the money, then!

Robusto

@Cerberus Well, yeah, but that has been hijacked by a different idiom: the radio went dead, the line went dead, etc.

Cerberus

6:46 PM

Yes, sure.

Robusto

But it boggles the mind why people can't just say so-and-so died. That's actually what happened. "Aunt Sally died last year." And all the facts are in.

skullpatrol

7:19 PM

"Aunt Sally passed away last year." Is only one word longer, and to me just sounds better, if last year was only a couple of weeks ago, imo

Perhaps, I'm reading too much context into it...

Gigili

7:59 PM

Try to spend your stars a bit slower that usual, you might run out of stars and it's sold out everywhere.

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Færd

Perplexing situation

Robusto

It's not perplexing for Republicans.

skullpatrol

Reem the public

Robusto

"So I ran over a bunch of people in order to keep my company profitable. What is that, a crime?"

skullpatrol

20 hours ago, by Robusto

Why does he wear a red tie?

From ancient China to ‘Wall Street,’ the red tie has always symbolized aggression.

M.A.R.

8:16 PM

Duh, it's red

It's to conceal pokemon blood.

Every one of them cute

Mitch

spits out tea

Robusto

8:55 PM

@skullpatrol He wears it to symbolize aggression.

RegDwigнt

9:13 PM

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Q: Why can't we use the verb 'reveal' in the following sentence

In this 'spot the word that doesn't fit' question I am not clear as to the reason why revealed is not correct - something related to passives perhaps? 'As details of the scandal _______ , the story became a big news item.' Which of these cannot be used: Revealed/Emerged/Surfaced/Unfolded

Not one but two high-rep people claiming that in English it is impossible to say "as the investigation revealed".

@Færd how do you "lose a profit". Who wrote that. XD

@Gigili we get a fresh supply of stars every single day. 30 fresh stars guaranteed for every person, no questions asked.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt "As details of the scandal revealed , the story became a big news item." You can say that, but it means something else than the other three.

RegDwigнt

Well yes. It is not my point that it means what the OP wants, or that it means anything at all. It is merely my point that you can say it.

Robusto

My state just designated bicycle repair shops as "non-essential" businesses.

Of course you can say it.

RegDwigнt

Thank you. And that is what the question is asking.

"Why can't we". Well. We can.

Robusto

If you want to say that the details of the scandal revealed that the story became a big news item, knock yourself out.

RegDwigнt

9:25 PM

@Robusto we've been getting emails from some customers that the government designated them as essential, and so by extension they now expect us to feel essential and be available 24/7 just like before.

I don't think that's how it works.

@Robusto oh, I don't want to say any of that nonsense. I'm just trying to help some poor sod that does.

Gigili

I am a poor sod. Help me out.

RegDwigнt

Sorry, one poor sod at a time.

Two sods at once, the price skyrockets fortyfold.

Gigili

12000?

RegDwigнt

That's missing a zero.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt No biblical language in chat.

RegDwigнt

9:29 PM

There was I trying to read Danish, only to later discover that someone actually went and translated it into English.

Very bad English, mind.

"Uses a price trick". The fuck. Who talks like that. What are they, twelve?

Robusto

I thought about trying Swedish once, but then it got messy and I gave up.

RegDwigнt

Try Brazilian, it's very clean and smooth. Not messy at all.

Robusto

Brazilian is way too messy for me.

I'll stick with Japanese. No muss, no fuss. Melts in your mouth, not in your hands.

"As the story revealed, the governor misappropriated funds" parallels the OP's example and is perfectly grammatical. The issue is that the intended meaning of the sentence is different (but not wrong) if you use revealed to fill in the blank. — Robusto 2 mins ago

RegDwigнt

@Robusto thank you. I tried writing up something to that extent but ran out of words and gave up.

Gigili

I wonder what Messy will be doing for a living.

RegDwigнt

9:31 PM

Same as before. Nothing.

Robusto

Messy who?

RegDwigнt

Lionel.

He's spelt with an I tho.

Gigili

We ran out of 'i'.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto as any Swede will tell you, speaking Danish is just speaking Swedish with a hot potato in your mouth.

And as any Dane will assure you, it is actually exactly the other way round.

From that we can extrapolate that all that you need is a potato.

Robusto

@Gigili Ya, that is a slur in English. Call him Messy instead of Messi and you risk a kicking.

RegDwigнt

9:33 PM

And then you can speak both.

@Robusto pffft. Everything is a slur in English.

Robusto

Danish is one of the hardest European languages to learn, or so I am told.

@RegDwigнt Especially pfft.

RegDwigнt

You have too few words, so each of them has to do double duty.

Robusto

I have a lot of words. I just don't choose to use them all in chat.

RegDwigнt

You can use a price trick instead.

Gigili

@RegDwigнt How do they play football remotely?

RegDwigнt

9:36 PM

Just as before. They roll on the grass shouting ouch ouch ouch. Then after 90 minutes they go home and the referee can reveal that the score is 0:0.

And then each of them gets $100 million for their troubles.

Gigili

@Robusto I've seen worse.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Welcome to the wide world of sport.

RegDwigнt

Mar 14 at 1:13, by RegDwigнt

I secretly hope that after a couple months without football everybody notices how nothing is missing and it'll just stay dead forever.

Mar 14 at 1:14, by Mitch

they can put the leisure energy towards home improvement or gardening

Imagine that. All the sportsmen of the world actually doing something of value.

Fuck FIFA and fuck the IOC. I hope they go down the toilet.

Just to think you could take all that money and give it to doctors.

Gigili

Pffft, Amazon Fresh doesn't have any delivery windows available.

RegDwigнt

Windows is not fresh. Especially not XP.

Mitch

9:48 PM

@Robusto my bike shop only just today finished with my bike, but to pick it up I couldn't go in the store, they told me they'd put it out back within five minutes and I could take it then.

Robusto

Haha.

Just like you were buying an illegal substance.

Mitch

@Robusto so they're not really open. but you can sort of get stuff done?

Robusto

Bike shops are the speakeasies of the 21st century!

Mitch

@Robusto I was shifty eyed when I picked it up.

RegDwigнt

So wait, if they have corona inside the bike shop, your bike is now contaminated.

Abort abort.