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RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
12:13 AM
1:44 "and the camera was placed in such a way that it looked like we were sitting side-by-side with him taller than I".
Fuck this shit, guys.
English is officially broken beyond repair.
Shut down the site.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
12:27 AM
@RegDwigнt ...taller than I am.
This ↑ is actually correct.
*...with him taller than with me.
This ↑ isn't.
 
skullpatrol
skullpatrol
1:21 AM
@CroCo I think a good way to come up with that meaning is to think about the action of "sweeping" a floor with long far reaching strokes covering as much area as possible.
So the travel restrictions are blocking as many people as possible.
Twitter isn't a good place to try to learn English idioms.
 
 
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RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
1:36 PM
@Cerberus it actually is not. Because the sentence is in past tense.
Pineapples lose again.
 
 
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Terran Swett
Terran Swett
2:43 PM
Someone posted this sentence on another site: "My fixed ctc is 5,13,672 and total ctc is 13,33,672."
That's the digit grouping used in India. I'm curious how these would be pronounced out loud.
Presumably 13,33,672 is not pronounced "one million three hundred thirty three thousand six hundred seventy two."
Is it "thirteen lakh thirty three thousand six hundred seventy two"?
 
Robusto
Robusto
3:12 PM
@Cerberus "... with him taller than me" is what I would say/write. And as the resident non-pineapple here, I propose everyone else stop talking about it now.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@RegDwigнt Well, the main clause may be in the past, but his height is a timeless fact. So you could use either past or present.
@Robusto You poor, unfortunate soul.
Now let me post an appropriate music video for once.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus No, that's not right. He is talking about the apparentness of the height, not the actual height. So it was not timeless, you poor benighted and (no doubt) besotted pineapple, you.
Your brain has been besotted with cheese and Latin.
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@Cerberus If Disney is where you learned your English, you truly are unfortunate.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto He is comparing the appearance with the actor true height, it could be argued. At any rate, the tense is irrelevant.
@Robusto No, television for young children is generally dubbed here.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Sophistry.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Only adults don't need dubbing.
pokes Reg
@Robusto The Sophists of Athens were a grand school.
 
Robusto
Robusto
3:20 PM
@Cerberus Wow, that is your idea of an English sentence? "Television for young children is general dubbed here"?
@Cerberus What you should have said is "It can be argued that the Sophists of Athens were a grand school." But you blew it.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto Grrr.
@Robusto No, I would argue that it is inarguable.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Feb 10 '11 at 16:06, by Robusto
That's why we go over this stuff.
Anyway, now that this pleasing little one-act comedy is over, I'm off to get ready to ride. Laterz.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
3:35 PM
@Robusto Have fun!
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
3:53 PM
@Robusto that's actually good to know. One of those things that are painfully obvious if you think about them, it's just that you never do.
I'll add it to my pile of excuses of why I don't play the church organ.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus Are you sitting down?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Though I'm secretly hoping one day I can just ask our cantor and he'll just let me.
Fun thing about that: he'll often play the organ remotely from wherever in the church we happen to be practicing. He just stands there with some cheapo Casio keyboard but then presses a key and a fucking church organ plays. Shit's hilarious.
I don't know if it's got Bluetooth or something. No idea how you'd hook it up like that.
 
tchrist
tchrist
How odd.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
But yeah anyway. Point being, there's no pedals on the cheapo Casio.
So I can totally play that.
Indeed for like ten years of my life I played one. That was the only instrument I had at the time. A keyboard the size of a large kitten.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Only one octave??
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
3:57 PM
No, the keys were not regular size.
I don't remember the exact ambitus. Maybe two octaves. Maybe two and a half, even.
 
tchrist
tchrist
pussy toes
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Yeah.
After a couple years one of the keys just fell off.
Because it was not connected by a hinge or anything, just the plastic bent in one place. And after being bent back and forth ten thousand times it just broke clean off.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Robusto In a snowstorm?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
So the next couple years I had to play around that hole.
Teaches you things.
The school of life.
 
tchrist
tchrist
No sex talk in this chat.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:00 PM
That is not a rule I've instated.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus The comparatively constant number of new coronavirus cases in China daily do not represent the spread of the disease. They represent the upper limits of the number of kits they can test daily.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Anyway, that was the instrument I composed my first actual pieces on. That are now lost forever because I never wrote anything down.
One of them was quite nice actually.
No idea how it went. Can't remember a note.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist Hah, I'm not surprised.
We just have no idea what the situation in China really is, nor do the Chinese.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Bach often used a much smaller keyboard at home. Probably many people did. There are places where he wrote something down too far compared to if he had had a larger keyboard.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Oh I'm loving my new melodica.
 
tchrist
tchrist
4:02 PM
@Cerberus They are behaving as though it is much worse than the numbers they provide us with.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist Oh, laptop keyboards suck, they are so small.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
As well as the piano app on my tablet.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist I don't know about that.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus You don't quarantine 50 million people for a constant increase of 3k a day.
And there's no way that it's only 3k a day spreading.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
China is not America nor Europe...
They do such things much more easily than we.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:04 PM
Nice try but I'm not biting.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Back in your cage, Stalin!
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Continue speaking your non-English, Antje.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Oh, you meant than we.
 
tchrist
tchrist
They're rounding up all the sick cases and taking them . . . somewhere.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
That is 100% correct.
@tchrist Just as they have rounded up millions of Muslims in the west.
 
tchrist
tchrist
4:05 PM
Mortality rate in Muslim camps is less brutal than in Virus camps.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@tchrist well they kept a plane full of Russians in some prison for two weeks. Only got flown out a couple days ago.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@RegDwigнt The Chinese or the North Koreans?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
The Chineseans.
 
tchrist
tchrist
14 more Americans with the virus. They're on one of the embargoed ships.
Or quarantined, I forget the distinction.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist I'm not entirely sure about that.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:07 PM
I don't care for this stupid mass hysteria. People are too bored.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I'm sure more than 800 people have died in those camps.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
25000 Germans died of the fucking common cold just last February. Who's talking about that?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
A million people have been rounded up, and I'm sure they haven't stopped yet.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Flu?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Well yes flu.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:08 PM
says nothing
 
tchrist
tchrist
Yeah, that makes sense.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Not an epidemic, either. Just your regular flu.
But because it's regular, nobody gives a fuck.
 
tchrist
tchrist
I know. Same sort of thing here.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But the Wuhan virus is more contagious (I think?) and more lethal.
So it may become much worse.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Your poor English is more contagious and more lethal.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:09 PM
Better than yours or Rob's, Mr.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
You've contaminated Elijah Wood already.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Remember that there have NOT been 800 deaths amongst 37000.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yeah.
We just have no idea.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
My point exactly. So what's the point of even discussing it.
A tempest in a teapot.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Of the 3500 completed cases, 800 have died and 2700 recovered.
The other 90% remain undecided.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:11 PM
"Completed".
Does that mean registered till the end of symptoms?
 
tchrist
tchrist
No, it means we know their outcomes: live or die.
They have either beaten it or it them.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yeah.
But there will be many, many more who have recovered without ever having been registered.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
There are many more still who can't even spell corona but are tweeting about it regardless.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@RegDwigнt We just had a 4yo kid die of the flu in Denver a couple days ago because the anti-vaccine mom refused to fill the Tamiflu script her physician gave her for the lad.
@Cerberus Yes, which is why nobody is trumpeting a 20% mortality rate.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@tchrist serves her right. Shame about the kid tho.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:15 PM
@tchrist Yes.
 
tchrist
tchrist
The corona virus may be far more widespread than anyone realizes; have you looked at Betelgeuse's corona lately? Not very healthy if you ask me.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hmm if they develop a vaccine and this virus becomes a pandemic, perhaps the hyper-religious and the stupid will thin out quite a bit.
How morbid of me.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Better.
My first name actually means the same thing as corona, except in a different language.
 
tchrist
tchrist
The corona light of Betelgeuse is sickly and wan.
But probably it's just a little sneeze.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:17 PM
Betelgeuse's corona does not even exist anymore. You're way behind the times, Tom.
 
tchrist
tchrist
The causality cone constrains me.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
1375
Year 1375 (MCCCLXXV) was a common year starting on Monday (link will display the full calendar) of the Julian calendar. == Events == === January–December === April 14 – The Mamluks from Egypt complete their conquest of the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia. Levon V Lusignan of Armenia is imprisoned for several years in Cairo, until a ransom is paid by King John I of Castile. June 18 – The future King John I of Castile marries Eleanor of Aragon. June 27 – Hundred Years' War: The English, weakened by the plague, lose so much ground to the French that they agree to sign the Treaty of Bruges, leaving them...
By my calculations it must be one of those things that killed Betelgeuse.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus Pleased to meet you, Goron.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
> Moscow and Tver sign a truce. Tver agrees to help Moscow fight the Blue Horde.
Oh yeah. That must be it. Them Russians again.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Blue horde? I thought the Keltoi had been long ago suppressed.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:20 PM
Or maybe it was the Treaty of Bruges after all.
Both "blue horde" and "bruges" sound conspicuously close to "betelgeuse".
Coincidence? I think not!
 
tchrist
tchrist
Your literacy does you credit.
The Star (Clarke short story)
"The Star" is a science fiction short story by English writer Arthur C. Clarke. It appeared in the science fiction magazine Infinity Science Fiction in 1955 and won the Hugo Award in 1956. It is collected in Clarke's 1958 book of short stories The Other Side of the Sky, and was reprinted in the January 1965 issue of Short Story International as the lead-off story. == Plot summary == A group of space explorers from Earth return from an expedition to a remote star system, where they discovered the remnants of an advanced civilization destroyed when its star went supernova. The group's chief...
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
> In Nanjing, capital of the Ming Dynasty of China, a bureau secretary of the Ministry of Justice, Ru Taisu, sends a 17,000 character-long memorial to the throne, to be read aloud to the Hongwu Emperor. By the 16,370th character, the emperor has been offended by several passages, and has Ru Taisu summoned to court and flogged for the perceived insult. The next day, having had the remaining characters read to him, he likes four of Ru's recommendations, and instates these in reforms.
> Ru is nevertheless castigated for having forced the emperor to hear thousands of characters before getting to the part with true substance. The last 500 characters are elevated in court as the model-type memorial that all officials should aspire to create while writing their own.
 
tchrist
tchrist
How could Ru father the Rus if the Emperor had him castigated?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
In vitro.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Tough egg to crack.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:23 PM
Or Virgin Masha.
 
tchrist
tchrist
> The final paragraph of "The Star" reveals the deepest root of the priest's pain. Determining the exact year of the long-ago supernova and the star system's distance from Earth, he calculated the date the emitted light from the explosion reached Earth, proving that the cataclysm that destroyed the peaceful planet was the same star that heralded the birth of Jesus.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Only if you don't subscribe to the theory that we mysteriously lost 300 years along the way.
Also, only if you do subscribe to the theory that Jesus existed and was heralded by a star.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Superluminal travel.
Or supraliminal, I always get those two cunfosed.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Sux æterna.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Luke he ate eggies.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:28 PM
Coito ergo cum.
 
tchrist
tchrist
You've been to Iowa, I see.
They don't have Stop and Goes. They have Cum and Goes.
This bothers foreign visitors to that storied land, but its autochthons are content with their custard nuts of dough.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist Why, thank you.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus Your nasg is very shiny today, Goron.
Kum & Go
Kum & Go is a convenience store chain primarily located in the Midwestern United States. The company, based in Des Moines, Iowa, operates over 400 stores in 11 states—primarily in its home state of Iowa. Other states include: Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Montana, Colorado, and Wyoming. Kum & Go was ranked as the 23rd-largest convenience store chain in the United States by Convenience Store News in 2010. == Background == The chain was founded by William A. Krause and Tony S. Gentle, who founded the Hampton Oil Company in Hampton, Iowa, in 1...
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Nasg? I am no Nasgul.
You're confusing mythologies.
 
tchrist
tchrist
I didn't say you were a ghoul, just that your ring is shiny to match your Goron.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:36 PM
I don't know Goron, only Sauron.
And he has no ring.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Gymraeg goron < L corona
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Gymreaeg, is that some language from the British Isles?
People decided that today was a good day to hold the national championship of cycling against the wind.
Basically people are told not to travel unless absolutely necessary by the government because of the giant storm.
11 Beaufort today in the north.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Black Speech nazgûl < Gymraeg nasg "ring" + Persian غول‎ (ğul) from Arabic غُول‎ (ḡūl, ghūl), "demon" said to feed on corpses, from a verbal root meaning "to seize".
Welsh language
Welsh (Cymraeg [kəmˈrɑːɨɡ] (listen) or y Gymraeg [ə gəmˈrɑːɨɡ]) is a Brittonic language of the Celtic language family. It is spoken natively in Wales, by some in England, and in Y Wladfa (the Welsh colony in Chubut Province, Argentina). Historically, it has also been known in English as "British", "Cambrian", "Cambric" and "Cymric".According to the United Kingdom Census 2011, 19 percent of residents in Wales aged three and over were able to speak Welsh. According to the 2001 Census, 21 percent of the population aged 3+ were able to speak Welsh. This suggests that there was a decrease in the number...
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, I was wondering about the G.
I know Cymr- is Welsih.
 
tchrist
tchrist
They're horrible with /k/, hence goron. :)
You should go ask your countrymen the Walloons about all that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:43 PM
They were only my fellow countrymen for fifteen years or so.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Till they welshed on the deal.
You still called them Welsh.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I don't think they ever felt there was a deal...
We called whom Welsh?
 
tchrist
tchrist
> Walloon < French Wallon (feminine Wallonne), n.adj. < medieval Latin Wallōn-em, < Germanic *walah, walh, foreigner (Old English wealh): see Welsh adj. The name represents the appellation given by the Germanic Flemings and Franks to their Romanic-speaking neighbours.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
See Welsh?
I had no idea those could be related.
But I suppose it makes sense as "foreigner".
 
tchrist
tchrist
Yep!
> Etymology: Cognate with Old Frisian walsk ‘French’ (rare), Old High German walesg , walisc , walahisc ‘Latin’, ‘Romance’ (Middle High German walhisch , welhisch , walsch , welsch ‘Italian’, ‘French’, ‘Romance’; German welsch , in the same senses), Middle Dutch walsc ‘French’, ‘Italian’, ‘Walloon’, ‘speaking a Romance language, especially French’ (Dutch waalsch ‘Walloon’, ‘speaking a Romance language, especially French’), Middle Low German Walsch , Wallesch ‘Romance, especially Italian’, Old Icelandic valskr ‘foreign, especially French’, Old Swedish valsker ‘French’, ‘Italian’, ‘from a sou…
> With the place name compare post-classical Latin Wallia , Walia , Guallia , Gualia (12th cent.), Anglo-Norman Gales , Galis , Galleis , Gualles , Gwales , Wales , Wals , Walays , etc., Old French Vales , Gales (c1100; < Old English), and also Anglo-Norman terre de Gales , paijs de Gales (both 14th cent.; Middle French, French pays de Galles ). Post-classical Latin Wallia denotes only Wales, while the alternative name Cambria , with which it is often used interchangeably, can also be used to include (or sometimes exclusively denote) the British territories in northern Britain, e.g. Strathc…
> The British people inhabited Britain south of the Firth of Forth, and following the advent of the Anglo-Saxons gradually retreated until the area under their influence consisted of Strathclyde (until the 12th cent.), Cornwall (cf. Cornish adj.2), and present-day Wales (cf. sense A. 2).
In quots. eOE2, eOE3 at α. apparently: spec. Cornish or south-west British.
In Anglo-Saxon law codes the word repeatedly occurs with the implication of lower or unfree status of the British in Anglo-Saxon society; cf. quots. eOE3, lOE at α. and sense A. 1b.
So the Germans just called everybody who was foreign to them Welsh.
Be it in Flanders or Britain.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:50 PM
Good to know.
 
tchrist
tchrist
It's always an exonym.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Makes sense, I suppose.
 
tchrist
tchrist
I don't know the Walloonian endonym.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I believe they just say Wallon now.
 
tchrist
tchrist
We are all become Furriners.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:53 PM
Wallon
Le wallon (walon en wallon [wa'lɔ̃]) est une langue d'oïl parlée en Belgique, en France et, très résiduellement, dans la partie nord-est de l'État américain du Wisconsin. Elle est reconnue comme langue régionale endogène par la Communauté française de Belgique, au sein de laquelle elle est la plus importante des langues romanes endogènes pour ce qui est de la superficie (70 à 75 % de la Région wallonne) et de la population (1 000 000 à 1 300 000 locuteurs en 1998). Le wallon était la langue la plus parlée en Belgique romane jusqu'à la Première Guerre mondiale. Depuis, son usage dans la vie quotidienne…
 
tchrist
tchrist
> The place-name element Wal- ( < Old English Wealh , Anglian Walh ) is common in names dating from the Anglo-Saxon period. In early names and in names from border areas this probably denotes settlements of Celtic Britons; however, the nature of the evidence makes it difficult to identify early formations.

In later formations it is more likely that it refers to foreign settlers from the continent. It has also been suggested that it may sometimes denote settlements of serfs. Compare e.g. (on) Wealadene Hertfordshire (c1000; now St Paul's Walden), Wealtun , Suffolk (a1016; now Walton), Walec…
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I must venture out into the storm now, wearing a scarf sent to me by a Brazilian river from the northern Cambrian territories.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Here too. Stormy stormy white.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11 Beaufort in the north.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Good and strong.
No, just pretty strong.
Yours goes to eleven?
I knew it was an oily French tongue, but didn't know it got its own TLA.
> Le nom Wallon est issu du moyen néerlandais Wale (aujourd'hui Waal), continuateur de walh utilisé par les Germains pour désigner les populations celtophones ou romanes, suivi du suffixe -on. Sa plus ancienne trace écrite, d'après les travaux d'Albert Henry, philologue romaniste belge, date de la seconde moitié du xve siècle dans les Mémoires de Jean, sire de Haynin et de Louvignies 6,7,8 où il désigne les populations romanes des Pays-Bas bourguignons.

La portée sémantique se réduira encore un peu plus lors de la République et de l'Empire français, le Royaume-Uni des Pays-Bas et l'indépen…
@Loong What's up?
Do you ping on German? :)
> Après la Première Guerre mondiale, les écoles publiques vont imposer une éducation en langue française à tous les enfants, ce qui induit un dénigrement du wallon, renforcé par les consignes officielles de 1952 visant à punir son utilisation dans les écoles. Depuis le milieu du xxe siècle, la transmission générationnelle de la langue a diminué.
> Avec la reconnaissance du néerlandais, la volonté de défendre le wallon commence à naître au sein du mouvement wallon et c'est ainsi que, par exemple, la Ligue wallonne de Liège commence à publier, dans L’Âme wallonne, de nombreux articles en wallon. Son usage était auparavant resté cantonné aux publications des associations culturelles et folkloriques. La promotion de la langue wallonne ne sera pourtant jamais forte de la part des wallingants, trop attachés à un certain jacobinisme français.
> Malgré une riche littérature commençant au xvie siècle, l'utilisation du wallon a nettement diminué depuis l'annexion de la Wallonie à la France, en 1795. Cette période a définitivement établi le français comme langue de promotion sociale. Entre 1815 et 1919, le canton de Malmédy majoritairement wallophone est intégré au royaume de Prusse puis à l'empire allemand.
> Le wallon va constituer une langue minoritaire de l'empire allemand. Avec la guerre franco-prussienne de 1870 et le Kulturkampf qui va bientôt lui succéder, Malmédy va subir une tentative de germanisation forcée, l’enseignement du français étant interdit dans les écoles au profit de celui de l’allemand. Les curés se voyant interdire de prêcher en français, certains contourneront cette interdiction en prêchant en wallon.
Man, so much stuff I never knew.
That's all from here:
Histoire de la langue wallonne
Langue véhiculaire du diocèse médiéval de Liège, héritier de la Cité des Tongres, le wallon reste jusqu'au début du XXe siècle la langue parlée par la majorité de la population de la Belgique romane, car le français y est seulement la langue des lettrés et des classes supérieures. Le bilinguisme wallon-français est alors une réalité, que ce soit dans le monde professionnel ou dans le monde politique. Dans la sidérurgie et à la mine, le wallon est souvent la langue utilisée pour la formation des ouvriers et dans de nombreuses communes, les conseils communaux se font souvent dans les deux langues…
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:11 PM
@tchrist Pool Walloon.
C'est trop tard poor vous.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Probably so.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Although, actually, I believe the French address their God informally.
What is tutoyer in English?
The wind was there, but it wasn't so bad. The shop is a short walk anyway.
 
tchrist
tchrist
L’État Français has ever sought to impose the Sun King's tongue through his lands.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
More like 7 or 8 B. here.
@tchrist Yes.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus This from the people whose children vouvoient ses parents?
Certainly in Spanish or Portuguese one tu's the Deity.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:15 PM
@tchrist Oui!
@tchrist There you go.
In Dutch, it has always been gij ('thou').
But I think U is also traditional, though probably newer.
Jij sounds rather evangelical.
Then again, few people believe in the Christian god these days, so I don't really know.
I attended a Catholic funeral service for the first time, ten days ago.
My toe is still hurting from having to kneel on this horrible bench.
Nie wieder!
 
tchrist
tchrist
They've been trying to kill the ocky French tongues for centuries now, and frankly they've pretty much succeeded. Alas for the trobadors perduts.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yeah.
But the past couple of decades have seen a resurgence in regional languages everywhere.
So those still alive now have a future.
 
tchrist
tchrist
I don't know if it's enough to rescue the langues d’oc.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
The problem lies with the village dialects. Those are poorly protected.
 
tchrist
tchrist
And poorly documented.
More oral than written.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:19 PM
The village in Limburg where the service was has its own dialect, as do most villages there.
But for how long?
 
tchrist
tchrist
You mean the Roman rite was in dialect?
The Mass?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist Yeah, though there has been lots of research even on the tiny dialects.
@tchrist No.
That was in Dutch.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Which "service"?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I don't know what to call it. Whatever the deacon does in a Catholic church, memorising the dead and going through the rites.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Yes, ok.
Nissart isn't written much, I think. Niçois, Niçard, Nizzardo. Nobody can spell that word.
Now it's used mainly for salades. :)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:23 PM
Hah.
I managed to guess Nissart before seeing the other spellings.
Nizza is Italian, so yeah.
 
tchrist
tchrist
It's really interesting how the choice of writing systems changes how the language is perceived.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I suppose so.
> Origin of cant2
1325–75; Middle English: side, border < Anglo-French cant, Old French chant < a Romance base *cantu(m) with the related senses “rim, border” and “angle corner,” probably < Celtic; compare Latin cant(h)us iron tire (< Celtic), Welsh cant periphery, rim, felloe; probably not akin to Greek kanthós corner of the eye; cf. canteen, cantle, canton
 
tchrist
tchrist
You can choose an Italian or a French system for writing it, and it will appear more aligned to that language.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Apparently, canton is from cant!
> Origin of canton
1525–35; < Middle French < Old Provençal, derivative of can side, edge (see cant2)
Isn't that lovely.
But...
Why do they not mention Dutch kant and kantelen?
Kant = side, edge.
Kantelen is to cant, sway over.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Similarly, Galician by using Castilian orthography instead of Portuguese/Occitan orthography seems far further away from Modern Portuguese than it is. And yet these choices make a difference as we see with "spelling pronunciations".
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:27 PM
True.
 
tchrist
tchrist
I knew the connection to French chant but well, wasn't what I thought.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I think that is the other cant!
As in language. That one is from Latin cano "sing", French chanson.
 
tchrist
tchrist
arma virumque
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yes.
I suspect chant "sing" and chant "edge" are unrelated.
Just as English cant and cant.
One being from Latin cano, the other probably from Latin/Greek cant(h)us "rim" (of a wheel?).
 
tchrist
tchrist
The weird ca > cha thing that happened in French is so odd compared to other Romance, although of course you see it having happened in Italian etc with the i, e.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:32 PM
Yes, it is weird.
But omnipresent in the language.
The sound in Italian is slightly less weird, but, yes, also weird.
> De zware storm heeft ook voordelen. Vluchten van New York naar Londen leverden zondag recordtijden op, melden Britse media. De vlucht van British Airways deed vier uur en 57 minuten over de vlucht van het New Yorkse John F. Kennedy International Airport naar Londen Heathrow. Normaal duurt de vlucht ongeveer zeven uur. Alleen de Concorde vloog in het verleden sneller: het supersonische toestel vloog in minder dan drie uur van New York naar Londen.
In other news.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Was wondering why you were keeping track of that.
> Etymology: Found c1400; rare before 1600. Words identical in form and corresponding in sense are found in many languages, Germanic, Slavonic, Romanic, Celtic. Compare Dutch kant, Middle Dutch cant, border, side, brink, edge, corner, Middle Low German kant (masculine) point, creek, border, also kante (feminine) side, edge, whence modern German kante edge, corner, border, brim, margin; also Dutch and German kante point-lace. (There is no trace of the word in the older stages of Germanic.) Also Old French cant and modern Norman cant, Walloon can side, Spanish canto, Portuguese canto, Italian…
Boy that's long.
> It is not clear whether the English word was adopted < Old French or from Low German, or, in different senses, from both.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist Just because this huge storm (...) has been on the news for days here. Code orange, says the royal weather institute!
 
tchrist
tchrist
We'll have heavy snow all the livelong day.
> Etymology: The spelling candilever found in the 17th cent. (if of any authority) compared with the Spanish ‘can debaxo de la viga , mutilus super quem capita trabium imponuntur, a corbel in masonry’ (Minsheu Voc. Hisp. 1617), naturally suggests some such Spanish phrase as can de llevar , ‘modillion for carrying or bearing’: but of this there is actually no trace.

On the other hand the name ‘flying lever bridge’ used in A treatise on Bridge-building by T. Pope, New York, 1811, for what is now called a ‘cantilever bridge’, and the term ‘framed lever’ used for cantilever in Tredgold's Carpe…
Cantilate is what Jewish cantors do.
> cantily Scottish In a canty manner, cheerfully, blithely, cheerily.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, I see.
> Origin of cant3
1250–1300; Middle English < Low German kant merry, bold
This I do not recognise.
 
tchrist
tchrist
> cantitate intransitive. To sing as a bird. (Used contemptuously.)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:41 PM
We have kant "ready".
But my dictionary says it must be derived from kant "side".
 
tchrist
tchrist
There are a dozen cants, none of them the one used by those who can’t type.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hah.
Speaking of viruses, it's funny how English has bat.
So much shorter than Fledermaus.
 
tchrist
tchrist
We do have flittermouse.
And flittermice.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, nice.
 
tchrist
tchrist
> I am off down the road
Where the fairy lanterns glowed
And the little pretty flitter-mice are flying
A slender band of grey
It runs creepily away
And the hedges and the grasses are a-sighing.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:48 PM
An old word?
Or a nonce word?
 
tchrist
tchrist
1547
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, they say it is still in current use.
 
tchrist
tchrist
English bat is so much easier to type than Spanish murciélago.
> From metathetic murciégalo, from Latin mus (“mouse”) + caeculus, diminutive of caecus (“blind”). Compare Portuguese and Galician morcego. Also compare with Old Spanish mur (“mouse”).
murine being Latin for mousy
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
An odd animal.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Super.
Twenty percent of the furred beasts are wingèd ones.
And they live a long, long time. We don't know why.
A mouse or a rat lives two, maybe three years. But bats swap years for decades in comparison with same-sized rodents.
> The maximum lifespan of bats is three-and-a-half times longer than other mammals of similar size. Six species have been recorded to live over 30 years in the wild.
> One hypothesis consistent with the rate-of-living theory links this to the fact that they slow down their metabolic rate while hibernating; bats that hibernate, on average, have a longer lifespan than bats that do not.

Another hypothesis is that flying has reduced their mortality rate, which would also be true for birds and gliding mammals. Bat species that give birth to multiple pups generally have a shorter lifespan than species that give birth to only a single pup. Cave-roosting species may have a longer lifespan than non-roosting species because of the decreased predation in caves. A…
Birds don't live long just because they fly.
Nor do birds than don't fly live less long than those who do.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:57 PM
Aren't vleermuizen far removed from mice?
 
tchrist
tchrist
Just talking mass here.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yeah.
 
tchrist
tchrist
To shrews, maybe. To mice, no.
 
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