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3:15 AM
Can we move on, we already write the thing 7 times, and you said it OK for 4 time.
@user21820
 
3:39 AM
10 hours ago, by user21820
For the last time, I ask you to substitute the a,b,c,d in "(a+b·d)·c mod b = a·c mod b" with appropriate values to get "((−1)+3·3)·8 mod 3 = ...". Fill it in.
Honestly, you still don't understand mathematical rigour, and you're not going to benefit if you keep insisting on doing things your way. Instead of writing things your way 7 times, just follow my instructions carefully once, then we can move on. I can teach, but I cannot force anyone to learn.
 
3:55 AM
Sorry, I accept,
((−1)+3·3)·8 mod 3 =-(1). 8 mod 3
@user21820
 
Wrong. See? That's why I said you need to do it, because you haven't gotten it right!
Do it properly, replace each occurrence of the symbol "a" with exactly the same thing, and likewise the other symbols b,c,d.
 
(a+b·d)·c mod b = a·c mod b, I think I copied right?
 
That is right, but you did not substitute right.
 
(-1+3.3).8 mod 3=-1.8 mod 3.
 
Better, but still incorrect, because you must put brackets when performing substitution to preserve the correct order of operations.
That is why I even helped you by writing "((−1)+3·3)·8 mod 3" on the left.
 
4:07 AM
What next?
 
Do as I said. Put brackets.
 
((-1)+3.3)=-1. 8mod 3
 
Wrong.
> replace each occurrence of the symbol "a" with exactly the same thing
 
(-(1)+3.3)=-1.8mod 3
 
11 hours ago, by user21820
For the last time, I ask you to substitute the a,b,c,d in "(a+b·d)·c mod b = a·c mod b" with appropriate values to get "((−1)+3·3)·8 mod 3 = ...". Fill it in.
I already wrote the left side of the statement I told you to complete. If yours does not match mine, it is automatically wrong.
 
4:11 AM
((−1)+3·3)·8 mod 3 =(-1) .8 mod 3 @user21820
 
??
2 mins ago, by user21820
> replace each occurrence of the symbol "a" with exactly the same thing
Finally, you edited your wrong attempt. It's now correct.
 
What next ?
 
Do you understand the meaning of "(−1)·8"? It seems you don't even have the understanding of −1 as a number by itself.
 
????. What you want o say?
 
It is hard for me to know what really is going on in your head. If I tell you what "(−1)·8" means, you will just say "I know", and I have no clue whether you really know.
Let me instead ask you a question.
What does "−1^8" mean?
Are you there?
 
4:23 AM
Yes @user21820
But after this, my question?
@user21820
You wrote two different question one is (-1).8.
And - 1^8.
What you want?
@user21820
 
16 mins ago, by user21820
What does "−1^8" mean?
 
Can I define it through m^n.
@user21820
 
Before you use the definition of ^, explain how to interpret "−1^8".
What does each symbol mean, and what operations are done in what order?
 
5:06 AM
I'm going to be away for a long while.
 
@user21820 sorry my mom called me.
Are you there.?
 
Later.
 
The expression $ m^n $ is called a power and described in words as $ m $ to the power $ n $. The number $ m $ is the base of the power, and the number $ n $ is its exponent .
So we can interrupt same for - 1^8=and any natural number $ n $,
$\displaystyle m^n
= \underbrace{m\times m\times \ldots \times
m}_{\hbox{\( 8 \)~factors~\( m \)}} $
@user21820
 
 
2 hours later…
6:55 AM
@user21820 are you there.
 
7:09 AM
"interrupt" ≠ "interpret". And I think we really need to go back to the basics, because you're not reading basic expressions in the correct way at all. First, a basic arithmetic expression is made of symbols, including basic operations addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, negation, numbers, and brackets.
@yuvrajsingh: Tell me the difference between subtraction and negation.
 
If you have numbers or variables on both sides of symbol − then it means subtraction
@user21820
you have no number or variables before the symbol − then it means negation.
 
Ok that's reasonable, but that's not the right way to think about it. The right way is that subtraction takes two inputs, but negation takes one.
 
And for us to write down an arithmetic expression, there must be rules so that it is unambiguous. The first rule is that we must be able to match brackets.
 
@user21820 can you teach me limit.
 
7:16 AM
And what is in the brackets is evaluated first.
@yuvrajsingh No. If you can't read basic arithmetic expressions, you can't learn limits.
You think you know it, but it's clear you don't.
 
@user21820 are you talking about BODMAS.
 
No. That is a wrong way of doing things.
 
@user21820 can help in one problem of limit. Please.
 
You are free to go somewhere else if you don't want to learn the basics properly. I am not stopping you.
 
OK, I am doing what you are saying.
 
7:21 AM
So listen to me carefully. I am describing the rules for writing arithmetic expressions. As I said above, you must have matching brackets and to evaluate an expression you must evaluate what is within matching brackets first before anything outside.
 
@user21820, and I will what you will say
 
In the above messages yesterday, you kept writing expressions like "−(1)^8". Based on what I just said, this makes no sense, because it is evaluated exactly the same as "−1^8", since there is just a single number within the matching brackets.
 
Ah, OK.
 
So there is some incorrect reason that you are putting brackets in that manner. And that same reason is why you kept getting the wrong answer for previous questions. Don't need to explain that. I will continue describing the rules then you will know.
 
Before anything I want a promise from your @user21820
 
7:25 AM
Why? I will only promise you one thing; if you learn what I teach you then you will understand mathematics more properly than you have been taught.
 
I will follow, the way but you won, t stop this in between I mean one you come say now it is over, and next you have to teach me algebra, trigno, calculus, coordinate geometry, they way you want, and time u want, I will follow each and every command, before asking anything, so do you ready to give me this promise? @user21820
 
As long as I am on Math SE, I don't have a problem teaching you here in this chat-room.
 
I mean you won, t stop teaching me in between.
 
But I obviously cannot promise that I will be around every day. I have my own work to do.
 
I accept, but you promise till you are stack exchange, you will teach me algebra, trigno, coordinate geometry.
I am not saying for the time, I am OK with way you teach me.
That much can you promise.
 
7:32 AM
I have already been teaching on this site for many years; you can see my profile, so you can expect me to continue.
Ok back to the rules for writing arithmetic expressions. There is a name for these; it's called "syntax rules".
 
Rule 1: It must have matching brackets and to evaluate it you must evaluate what is within matching brackets first before anything outside. Rule 2: Certain operations have precedence over others. Some have the same precedence. For operations of the same precedence, we specify whether we perform them from left to right or from right to left. I will give the precedence table below.
In each row I list the operations of the same precedence between {}, and specify ltr (left-to-right) or rtl (right-to-left). The higher row has higher precedence.
{^} : always put brackets (because people do not all agree on whether it should be ltr or rtl).
{·,/} : ltr
{negation} : rtl
{+,subtraction} : ltr
For example, according to the above rules, "−1+2" is evaluated the same as "(−1)+2", because negation has higher precedence than +.
 
Yes.
Ltr right?
 
No that's no the right reason! I gave the right reason. Negation is higher precedence than addition. It is not the same precedence.
Also, how to evaluate "−1^8"? Put brackets to show me the order of evaluation.
Just follow the rules? It tells you which to evaluate first, so put bracket according to that.
 
OK.
I mean the same, but OK.
 
7:47 AM
What? I asked you a question. What is your answer?
 
8:01 AM
I gave you an example:
22 mins ago, by user21820
For example, according to the above rules, "−1+2" is evaluated the same as "(−1)+2", because negation has higher precedence than +.
I asked you a question:
19 mins ago, by user21820
Also, how to evaluate "−1^8"? Put brackets to show me the order of evaluation.
Just answer it.
 
8:14 AM
a single number in would be same as a number inside the bracket. @user21820
 
> how to evaluate "−1^8"?
> "−1+2" is evaluated the same as "(−1)+2".
I said "Put brackets to show me the order of evaluation."
 
(-1)^8,
 
Wrong. Follow the precedence rules!
 
It will be ltr.
-1^8=(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1).
 
Wrong. I said...
45 mins ago, by user21820
In each row I list the operations of the same precedence between {}, and specify ltr (left-to-right) or rtl (right-to-left). The higher row has higher precedence.
Higher precedence means it is done first...
Now look at where "^" and "−" appear in the table...
 
8:22 AM
-1^8,=(-1).(-1) rtl like this.
Because multiply has higher preference than negative.
@user21820
 
3 mins ago, by user21820
Now look at where "^" and "−" appear in the table...
Which is higher?? Why can't you just follow what I say?
 
-1^8=(-1).(-1)^7.so it is rtr what can I say other than this?
 
Stop. Answer my question directly, and don't keep repeating random stuff that I didn't ask you.
> Look at where "^" and "−" appear in the table... Which is higher??
 
8:58 AM
'' ^'' is first and '' - '', is third.
 
Exactly, so put brackets to make the evaluation do "^" first and do "−" second.
 
We - (1)^8.,so it is from right to left.
 
NO.
To evaluate "1+2·3", you do not express it as "1+(2)·3".
Similarly here, I don't know why you keep doing it wrong.
 
OK so just - 1^8.
 
No, I want you to put brackets to force the evaluation to be correct without precedence rules...
The precedence rules are there only to reduce the number of brackets we have to write. But you must be able to use brackets in place of the precedence rules.
I have already given you an example:
1 hour ago, by user21820
For example, according to the above rules, "−1+2" is evaluated the same as "(−1)+2", because negation has higher precedence than +.
Why can't you do the same as I did in the example? Put brackets in "−1^8" to show the order of operations.
 
9:28 AM
-1^(8)
@user21820
 
2 hours ago, by user21820
In the above messages yesterday, you kept writing expressions like "−(1)^8". Based on what I just said, this makes no sense, because it is evaluated exactly the same as "−1^8", since there is just a single number within the matching brackets.
 
Do I have to put brackets in sign or to numbers.
 
You have to put brackets to make the evaluation be correct without precedence rules. It appears you don't understand at all how brackets are used.
I'm going to give one last example. "1+2·3" is evaluated as "1+(2·3)".
 
-(1^8).
@user21820
 
Finally. Yes. Do you now understand the difference between "−1^8" and "(−1)^8"?
 
9:34 AM
Yes.
Second is not according to The precedence rules
Ok
 
So what is the value of −1^8?
 
-1.@user21820
 
Right.
 
I have a question why do we need MATHMATICS in computer science.
@user21820
 
No mathematics implies no computers.
Use exponentiation to express −1·−1·−1·−1.
 
9:48 AM
OK (−(1·)(−(1·) (- (1·) (−(1.))
That is wrong give me a minute.
 
"·" is multiplication, as I gave in the table.
 
−(1·(−1) ·(−1) ·(−1))
@user21820
 
Right! Very good.
You correctly interpreted the expression. Now I want you to express it using exponentiation.
The whole point of exponentiation is to reduce repetition.
 
OK.
Next? @user21820
 
10:05 AM
Er, it seems like you always miss my instructions. "I want you to express it using exponentiation."
 
1^4.
@user21820
OK so. Far?
 
It has the same value, but you are not expressing the intention of the original expression.
It should have been (−1)^4.
 
Now back to our earlier question.
6 hours ago, by yuvraj singh
((−1)+3·3)·8 mod 3 =(-1) .8 mod 3 @user21820
(−1)·8 mod 3 = ...? (Using the same fact.)
8·8·8 mod 3 = ...?
8^n mod 3 = ...?
Note that we need to expand the precedence rule table to include "mod".
 
First one - (1.8) mod 3.
 
10:17 AM
{^} : always put brackets.
{·,/} : ltr
{mod} : always put brackets.
{negation} : rtl
{+,subtraction} : ltr
@yuvrajsingh No I mean simplify in the same way as 8·8 mod 3 = 2·8 mod 3 = 2·2 mod 3.
 
I am doing from second example
(8.(8.8) mod 3 is (8.(2.8) mod 3=(2.(2.8)) mod 3=(2.(2.2)) mod3=8mod3
=2
 
That's better. But I want you to use 8 = 9−1 rather than 8 = 6+2.
@yuvrajsingh Do this again using 8 = 9−1.
 
And use "=" not "is".
 
((3.3)-1)·8 mod 3 =-(1. 8) mod 3
@user21820
 
10:34 AM
Uh. You're not doing what I told you to do, again...
12 mins ago, by yuvraj singh
(8.(8.8) mod 3 is (8.(2.8) mod 3=(2.(2.8)) mod 3=(2.(2.2)) mod3=8mod3
=2
11 mins ago, by user21820
@yuvrajsingh Do this again using 8 = 9−1.
> rather than 8 = 6+2.
 
Which one.?
@user21820
There are three.
 
??? I quoted the one I want you to repeat.
You did something using 8 = 6+2. Do it again using 8 = 9−1.
 
8.8 mod 3
 
5 mins ago, by user21820
12 mins ago, by yuvraj singh
(8.(8.8) mod 3 is (8.(2.8) mod 3=(2.(2.8)) mod 3=(2.(2.2)) mod3=8mod3
=2
 
Yes?
Ah, okm
 
10:39 AM
That one!!!
It's almost like you're not paying attention!
 
OK OK I got it.
8.8.8 mod 3
8.8.(9-1) mod 3=-(8. 8) mod 3=-(8.(9-1)) mod 3=(8) mod 3
@user21820
 
That is not the same way you did the previous one.
No. I want it to have the same structure.
You cannot keep doing things non-systematically.
Plus your previous attempt has non-matching brackets...
8·8·8 mod 3 = 2·8·8 mod 3 = 2·2·8 mod 3 = 2·2·2 mod 3.
This is what you should have written. And I want you to do exactly the same but using 8 = 9−1 instead of 8 = 6+2.
 
 
2 hours later…
12:22 PM
8·8·8 mod 3=(9-1).8.8.=-(1. (8.8)) mod 3=-(1.(8.(9-1))mod 3=
OK so far?. @user21820
Or I am still doing wrong.
 
Yes you're not doing exactly the same thing as:
2 hours ago, by user21820
8·8·8 mod 3 = 2·8·8 mod 3 = 2·2·8 mod 3 = 2·2·2 mod 3.
 
Why?, I am doing same, as you said using (9-1)
 
Well I'm tired of waiting for you to get it, so I'm just going to spoon-feed the answer to you.
8·8·8 mod 3 = (−1)·8·8 mod 3 = (−1)·(−1)·8 mod 3 = (−1)·(−1)·(−1) mod 3.
Tell me, do you agree that what I just wrote is exactly the same structure as the earlier one, and that what you wrote is not?
 
I was approaching that result.
 
No you were not! Your negation was in the wrong place!
 
12:26 PM
I have a question
According to list.
You haven, t assign the bracket in the second line.
Correctly.
According to priority series bracket should be there with 8.8
 
I was clear enough in my rules; brackets are handled by rule 1, not rule 2. They are not operations and are not handled by precedence rules.
 
Stop trying to rely on what your earlier teachers taught you; they didn't teach you well enough, which is why you are having problems now.
Right now, you have to learn to recognize that what I wrote has the same structure while yours does not.
 
Correct.
 
> 8·8·8 mod 3 = 2·8·8 mod 3 = 2·2·8 mod 3 = 2·2·2 mod 3.
> 8·8·8 mod 3 = (−1)·8·8 mod 3 = (−1)·(−1)·8 mod 3 = (−1)·(−1)·(−1) mod 3.
Do you agree that the structure is identical, and that they differ only by having (−1) instead of 2?
 
12:31 PM
Yes.
 
So next time when I say follow exactly, this kind of exactness is what I mean.
In mathematics, you have to learn to identify and make repeated use of previous known patterns.
 
So, now simplifying the following:
3·3·3·3·3·3·3·3 mod 10 = ...?
(Whenever I write a question with "...", you should fill in the blank and write the resulting full sentence.)
Hint: 3·3 = 9.
 
9.9.9.9 mod 10=(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1) mod 10
 
Excellent.
And can you finish the simplification? (−1)·(−1)·(−1)·(−1) mod 10 = ...?
 
12:37 PM
1.@user21820
 
Yes.
Before we do another example, let's express the last one using exponentiation.
3^8 mod 10 = (3^2)^4 mod 10 = 9^4 mod 10 = ...?
Firstly check that you fully understand each of the first 2 equalities.
Then fill in the blank and write down the last equality.
Remember, 3^8 is what you saw above, which you observed can be expressed as a product of 4 copies of 3·3.
 
9.9.9.9 mod 10 =(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1) mod 10=1
@user21820
 
No I said "express the last one using exponentiation" and "fill in the blank and write down the last equality".
Don't change what I already wrote!!
 
9^4 mod 10 = ...?
 
12:44 PM
81^2 mod 10=
81.81 mod 10
Is that be the correct way of approaching @user21820
 
You wrote:
10 mins ago, by yuvraj singh
9.9.9.9 mod 10=(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1) mod 10
I asked you to express that using exponentiation.
I even gave you half of it.
 
9^2.9^2 mod 10
 
When I write a question with "...", copy it exactly and fill in the blank.
> 9^4 mod 10 = ...?
To express:
> 9.9.9.9 mod 10=(-1).(-1).(-1).(-1) mod 10
 
1.
@user21820
 
Are you actually reading what I write? I will repeat myself again.
You did:
> 3·3·3·3·3·3·3·3 mod 10 = 9.9.9.9 mod 10 = (-1).(-1).(-1).(-1) mod 10.
I asked you to express THAT using exponentiation.
I gave you the first part:
> 3^8 mod 10 = (3^2)^4 mod 10 = 9^4 mod 10 = ...?
Don't just blindly compute the answer. We already know the answer is 1. No need to keep telling me that.
What we want is to express the result we got in a NICE structure.
 
12:54 PM
Sorry sorry I got my mistake
@user21820
Last chancem
 
Can you at least FOLLOW instructions?
8 mins ago, by user21820
When I write a question with "...", copy it exactly and fill in the blank.
Use your intelligence to identify and use patterns. Mathematics is not about calculating.
> 9.9.9.9 mod 10 = (-1).(-1).(-1).(-1) mod 10.
> 9^4 mod 10 = ...?
In fact, I gave you the answer 3 hours ago, so I really don't understand why you don't get it.
 
1:12 PM
9.9.9.9 mod 10 =9^2 mod 10.9^2 mod 10
Right?
@user21820
 
I'm sorry to say but I think you have a severe problem understanding basic English. I never seem to be able to get you to follow my instructions no matter how clear I make them.
 
I did what you said?.
 
No you didn't. I said "I asked you to express THAT using exponentiation".
I never asked you to simplify or calculate anything.
If you have difficult understanding basic English like "express ... using ...", you may have to improve your English otherwise it is very time-consuming for me to teach anything to you.
 
Sorry, get me an last chance, I my self feel sorry that I interrupt
Wrong you
Every time please last last last?
 
@yuvrajsingh Sadly, I can't even understand what you're saying except "give me a last chance". Sure, but you really need to work on your English.
"9^4" is how you can express "9·9·9·9" using exponentiation.
If you understood exponentiation, I really see no reason you cannot express the other side of "9.9.9.9 mod 10 = (-1).(-1).(-1).(-1) mod 10." using exponentiation as well.
What grade are you in now?
 
1:25 PM
Class 12.
@user21820
 
Go ahead and try to answer my question again, but you really need to put in a lot of effort into improving your English, especially if you want to do mathematics, because English is the current language used by most mathematicians.
 
9^3.9 mod 10=9^3(10-1) mod 10 =(-1).9^2.(10-1) mod 10=(-1)(-1).9.(10-1) mod 10=(-1).(-1).(-1).9 mod 10,
 
Wrong.
 
(-1)(-1)(-1)(-1) mod 10
Sorry some error.
 
It's not the error that is the problem.
 
1:31 PM
9^4 mod 10=9^3.(10-1)mod 10
 
Is that you do not understand basic English. I have no choice but to give up; I can't afford to spend so much time on just you.
Let me just give you the answer and that's it.
I asked you to express:
> 9.9.9.9 mod 10 = (-1).(-1).(-1).(-1) mod 10.
using exponentiation.
The correct answer is:
> 9^4 mod 10 = (−1)^4 mod 10.
Such a simple goal, but you could not understand. How can I teach you like this? Normally I like to let people figure out everything themselves with suitable hints, but you don't even understand the English in my hints...
 
It is not that I do not know english, but it is due, that I haven t noticed the thing carefully.
Please please,.
Give me a last warning.
If from next time if I am not able to understand you then, you can quit.
@user21820
If you think my language is weak, I surely work on it.
 
It's not that I quit. It's that I think I cannot teach you as well as other people because you do not understand enough English to follow my instructions.
 
I said, if fr now I I am not able to understand you, than you can surely stop teaching me.
Last chance.
 
Then tell me, why is it you could not give me the correct answer?
3 mins ago, by user21820
> 9^4 mod 10 = (−1)^4 mod 10.
I tried my best to guide you to writing the correct answer.
 
1:37 PM
I accept.
That I was totally failed, to understand your hint%)
 
If you can't tell me what went wrong with your thought process, this problem will come again and again.
 
But this is not because of my English is so weak.
 
Then what?
It can't be "just totally failed".
 
Actually I misread you words.
 
Which words?
 
1:38 PM
Due to lack of concentration.
But from now, I promise I follow, and be starlight, that you teach me.
 
Why "lack of concentration"? Did you have insufficient sleep? Were you playing a game? Were you busy doing something else?
 
Give me another chance.
I have a pain in teeth.
 
What happened?
 
I do not know, but there is pain in my lower jaw from today
And now it is OK. After taking pill.
 
If it's not your fault, I will never blame you. But maybe now is not the time to do mathematics. Can you get to see a dentist?
 
1:41 PM
No, I concern with my mother she said it was not due to teeth but it was due
Jaw pain which occurs usually.
 
English: I asked my mother, and she said ...
Jaw pain is not usual unless you have cold/flu. Do you?
 
Hmm..
 
I am ready , and I promise I won, t make this mistakes from now.
I want to learn mathematics as basic logic.
@user21820
 
If you want my advice, you can wait a few days, but if the pain comes back or there is swelling you should go to a doctor/dentist, because it is not normal and may need urgent treatment. If it goes away in the next few days, then I suppose you can ignore it.
 
1:45 PM
I am fine, now, I can continue.
@user21820
 
Fine. 3^89 mod 10 = ...? Hint: You already know 3^8 mod 10.
 
3^80.3^9 mod 10=(3^8)^10.3^8.3
 
Continue?
 
Mod 10,=3
 
You sure?
 
1:54 PM
Yes.
 
Good.
Next. 2^34 mod 17 = ...? Hint: 16 = 17−1.
 
(2^2)^17 mod 10
 
What? What is "mod 10" doing here?
 
Sorry,
 
Ok typo.
Try to be more careful.
 
1:58 PM
4^17 mod 17=4
 
Why?
 
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