Root Access

If its so smart why on earth would it duplicate all my files in a backup, even though those files are supposed to be synced from my computer in the first place :S

Bob

2:11 PM

Thanks, @Sathya (tag synonym)

Sathya

When his girlfriend’s grandparents’ have wireless router problems, a young computer buff turns a lesson in how to fix wi-fi into an epic tale.

avirk

@Bob it doesn't updated itself to playstore

Ivo Flipse

man that site renders poorly under Chrome-dev

Sathya

@IvoFlipse hmm? Seems fine here

Bob

@Sathya lol

@avirk Hm?

What happens?

After you install it, on first run, it should try to update

HackToHell

2:18 PM

@Sathya lol

avirk

Just opened. As market

Ivo Flipse

@Sathya try making the window narrower

Bob

@avirk Odd. Check for updates? Restart the phone?

HackToHell

He woke Windows XP from sleep mode and deftly defeated twelve notifications to update Norton AntiVirus. With a resounding click he opened Internet Explorer 6 and gazed deep into its depths, past the Yahoo toolbar, the MSN toolbar, the Ask.com toolbar, and the AOL toolbar. And then did he see, at long last, The Google did load.

lol

Ivo Flipse

Anyway, trying to jailbreak, so lets hope for the best

Bob

2:20 PM

In any case, as long as the market works, you get about the same thing

avirk

ok i will

Sathya

Eternal September

Eternal September (also September that never ended) is the period beginning September 1993, a date from which it is believed by some that an endless influx of new users (newbies) has degraded standards of discourse and behavior on Usenet and the wider Internet. The term eternal September is a Usenet slang expression, and was coined by Dave Fischer. The term is so well entrenched that one news server calls itself Eternal September, and gives the date as a running tally of days since September of 1993 (e.g., is "September , 1993, the September that never ends."). This server was formerly na...

Bob

@HackToHell That's a nightmarish number of toolbars

@Sathya Yea, I was wondering if he was referring to that

HackToHell

My uncle has 4 toolbars in firefox :/ and will not allow me to remove them

Bob

It seemed rather unrelated

@HackToHell :P

Hmm.. Disabling hardware acceleration just sped up Flash a whole lot

HackToHell

2:22 PM

lol

imgur.com/a/ygU0l <---- IMAX in London

It's awesome, look at the old projector, it's enormous

The new one is enormous too ...

Not geeky enough for ya guys ?

Ivo Flipse

Bloody hell that's an awesome screen

HackToHell

It's 22x24 m !!

Oliver Salzburg

2:40 PM

That's a weird format though.

Ivo Flipse

I've actually only seen documentaries on IMAX screens, wonder what a 3D movie would look like, especially if you have to move your head to view the whole screen

HackToHell

I have seen a movie in an IMAX theatre <3, it's simply awesome...

There's nothing like it, try and see The Dark Knight rises in an IMAX theatre.

Ivo Flipse

Well the closest IMAX theatre is in Amsterdam, not really somewhere I'd drive to 'just' to watch a movie

@OliverSalzburg it seems the jailbreaking went smoothly

Now to see if it actually has any benefits

Oliver Salzburg

@IvoFlipse Nice :)

HackToHell

@IvoFlipse I saw a movie 1,002.8 km away from my town (during my vacation)

jokerdino

2:55 PM

@HackToHell ;)

Bob

@IvoFlipse Uhm... normally people jailbreak for a reason (other than just for fun) :P

Journeyman Geek

fun is a good reason ;p

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Bob

@JourneymanGeek Except when you end up with a paperweight :P

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek My kinda guy ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: True

But hacking older hardware is fun ;p

Oliver Salzburg

3:13 PM

I remember being really amazed of this multi-process approach of browsers (like Chrome)

Not so sure this is the best thing ever :D

HackToHell

superherohype.com/news/articles/…

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Well, you don't lost everything if some site freezes/crashes

You also don't have one process climbing >1.5GB memory usage, though I think that's an unrelated memory leak in FF :P

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob I wasn't serious. The approach is awesome. I was just a little shocked when I opened procexp right now :D

Bob

lol

There's a little overhead, though.

Journeyman Geek

I think the multiprocess approach also lets you reattach tabs

Kortuk

3:20 PM

@Bibhas I can save you alot of time, it is not really possible easily.

Journeyman Geek

lol

jokerdino

heya @Kortuk

Journeyman Geek

@Kortuk: sans a large kickstarter project, and a tame embedded systems genius? ;p

Kortuk

@Bibhas That is not an very good question because of the fact that them both saying Bluetooth has very little to do with it doing that properly. if you break it open and find that one of the chips it happens to have inside will allow you to change its operation and give you audio out(which I will bet money will not be the case) then you probably have a good question for Electronics.SE.

@JourneymanGeek Really you probably needs a USB host with audio out, so a linux computer or some such thing, or an embedded systems genius whom is willing to implement a host and the drivers to allow it to support audio, still requires some sort of host.

@jokerdino Morning.

Oliver Salzburg

Someone please tell me if my subnetting knowledge is still right, please ;D

Kortuk

3:24 PM

Well, I killed any conversation :)

Oliver Salzburg

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A: setting up static ip on linux

As you can see from the official documentation, those parameters (network and broadcast) are not required. In fact, (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) In your example, your network would be 192.168.5.0/24 and your broadcast 192.168.5.255. These can be derived from your address a...

Journeyman Geek

naw ;p

HackToHell

I seem to have forgotten all about it :/

Oliver Salzburg

@HackToHell :D

soandos

Anyone know an easy way to see where the height property of a HTML element gets set (it all of its many places)?

HackToHell

3:28 PM

It's been only a year a half since I last messed with it sigh

Ivo Flipse

@Bob All tethering apps apparently cost money or require native support which the ipad 1 doesn't have

Journeyman Geek

@OliverSalzburg: looks fine to me

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek So I finally understand it! :D Thanks ;)

Bob

@soandos You mean other than checking its attributes, inline style, embedded stylesheet for class name, id and tag name and external stylesheet for the same manually? :P

soandos

@Bob, don't forget the inherited properties

cause those are the most fun

Bob

3:34 PM

@soandos Hm?

soandos

CSS classes that borrow from other classes, etc

Bob

...never mind

:P

I never got that far into CSS

soandos

its bad

and chrome's computed styles are no help

Bob

@soandos How about FireBug?

Style Side Panel

soandos

@Bob, I have it, now to open it up...

Bob

3:39 PM

@soandos No, that's a link to a specific Wiki page :P

The getfirebug.com domain name is a little misleading

soandos

@Bob, just a little :P

@Bob, either I don't understand how to use it, or is is not showing me what is going on

Bob

soandos

Right, but I am looking for the source line of that code that sets a property

Bob

@soandos Well, did you find the correct line in that panel?

Right click, Inspect in CSS Tab

Is this a public site you're inspecting? :P

soandos

@Bob, the inspection works fine. It is finding where the property is set that is broken (not public site, sorry)

The CSS tab has all the line numbers, but it has the properties in multiple places

the computed style tab has the final numbers, but loses the line numbers

Bob

3:45 PM

@soandos No, use the style panel

Set the Only Show Applied Styles option

> Toggles the display of overwritten styles

soandos

I don't see the height bieng set at all...

Bob

The style panel (as opposed to the CSS tab) should only show those styles that apply to the selected element

soandos

Right, but it is not in those styles...

Bob

@soandos That's just weird :\

You sure you're looking for the right property name?

soandos

height

I see min height

and line height

Bob

3:48 PM

It could be one of those :\

Well, not line

soandos

It is much bigger than both of those (as told by the computed styles tab)

Bob

What is this element?

Perhaps, since only a min-height is specified, it's just expanding to fit?

soandos

Its some custom thing, a "box-content"

Bob

height defaults to auto

maybe it's not being explicitly set at all?

soandos

h'm...

lets see

Bob

3:50 PM

Yep... testing in this chat...

Tom Wijsman

@Bob: What does it say for height? If it is auto then it just calculates the height based on it's flow children and then makes sure it is in accordance with the min and max height.

Bob

line-height is 18px. height is computed as 18px on a single line, 36px on a double line

soandos

@TomWijsman, @Bob, I can't see where the height is set anywhere

Bob

2 mins ago, by Bob

maybe it's not being explicitly set at all?

soandos

How could that be?

Tom Wijsman

3:52 PM

@soandos: Can you first figure out what it is set too? If it's not in the list then it's going to be auto.

soandos

@TomWijsman, there are a bunch of controls in the same space

Bob

@soandos The computed values should show what it actually is, depending on other factors

soandos

how do I know what auto will be?

Bob

It has to be at least min-height, otherwise it depends on other elements

Tom Wijsman

@Bob Yeah, but that doesn't allow you to figure out whether it is set or not.

@soandos Reading the W3 / WHATWG standard drafts.

Bob

3:53 PM

> The browser calculates the height. This is default

soandos

@Bob, I am looking for how we got to the computed style numbers

Bob

@TomWijsman But if it does not appear in the applied styles list, it can be assumed that it's not set anywhere... can't it?

@soandos That would depend on your browser and whatever is inside this element. It's not going to be specified in one line of CSS anywhere, and can even depend on the window size (especially if it's reflowing text)

At the moment, chances are height is not actually specified anywhere. You'll have to check whatever is inside/surrounding this element, or even if an outer element has some restriction on size.

Or you could just specify a height and be done with it :P

soandos

@Bob, I just want to know how it is being calculated. Honestly, I thought it would be easy...

Tom Wijsman

@soandos: If you are in doubt, just go to the Resources tab and in the box at the top right enter height, that'll show you all the places where the height is being set. (Unless they are scrambling their code severely such that they no longer use the 'height' character literal.

soandos

@TomWijsman, this is in what tool/broswer?

(there are many different elements on the page, I don't care about the vast majority)

Tom Wijsman

4:01 PM

@soandos Minimum of [Maximum of [Height that the flowing Children take, Min-Height], Max-Height]

@soandos Your browser. :)

Bob

@soandos So you want to see every step the browser takes to calculate it? See that it expands because there's an image of x height inside, followed by y lines of text with a line-height of z? And that it's inside an element of max-height w so that's why it can't go any larger?

soandos

@Bob, that would be ideal

Tom Wijsman

8 mins ago, by Tom Wijsman

@soandos Reading the W3 / WHATWG standard drafts.

soandos

@TomWijsman, too many things going on for me to do that in my head :P

Bob

Uhm... that would be difficult to see in any user friendly way...

soandos

4:03 PM

At this point, I would setting for something that told me that these 5 lines affect the height of this element

Tom Wijsman

Just start reading w3.org/TR/CSS2/visudet.html#the-height-property and in a few hours you'll know everything about height calculation. :D

soandos

@TomWijsman, I am trying very hard to avoid that

Tom Wijsman

It recursively applies sections 10.6 - 10.8, if there was a simpler explanation they wouldn't have written it like this.

soandos

Ick

Bob

@TomWijsman It gets even more complicated than that if you want to calculate the actual size

Tom Wijsman

4:09 PM

And 10.6 is only two screens, so it isn't much to read. And 10.7 isn't hard to grasp, because those just define minimum and maximum values.

Bob

Including padding and all

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms530302%28VS.85%29.aspx

soandos

@Bob, broken link

Bob

@soandos Not broken

Well, worksforme

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms530302%28VS.85%29.aspx

soandos

@Bob, strange, now works for me also..

The layout model tells me that there is no padding

Tom Wijsman

@Bob Not really, that's just the box model. w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html

content + padding + border + margin

Well, margin depends whether you want to consider that part of the actual size.

Bob

4:12 PM

@TomWijsman Oh, ok :P

Tom Wijsman

Seems they throw together a ton of JS functions on that MSDN image.

Bob

Hmm

There's quite a few Stack Overflow questions asking how to calculate height/width given some HTML/CSS

The answers say to either write your own rendering engine or use an existing one, allowing you to get the computed height. But unless you write your own, there seems to be no way to get the individual computation steps :\

Luke

4:44 PM

I got 6 badges already on a Raspberry Pi SE site :D Amazing

Tom Wijsman

@Bob I linked you to them already...

In the time that you've spent on the SO questions you could have understood at least the gist of them.

Bob

@TomWijsman You did? o.O

Tom Wijsman

w3.org/TR/CSS2/visudet.html#the-height-property

Bob

oh

I don't mean how to compute it generally, I meant the exact steps to arrive at that particular value

Specifically, which other elements affect it, as soandos wanted

Tom Wijsman

What is meant by "other" elements?

Bob

4:47 PM

44 mins ago, by soandos

At this point, I would setting for something that told me that these 5 lines affect the height of this element

Other HTML elements. Children and parents...

Like, there's a paragraph inside with a line-height and it currently happens to be x lines, which is a height of y overall

Which affects the element we want to know about by increasing its height by y

Tom Wijsman

@Bob Parents don't affect it (they however determine what happens to the overflow, but don't change the height), children is as explained by that link.

Bob

@TomWijsman Parents could have a specified height or max-height...

Tom Wijsman

And yet they don't affect it.

Bob

In any case, what is wanted is not the general steps, but rather the specific steps taken in one particular calculation for one particular element. Yes, it could be done manually, but apparently it's too complicated.

@TomWijsman I thought they would limit the size of any elements inside them? :\

Tom Wijsman

@Bob No, they don't. Even not for text.

Bob

4:57 PM

Ah. So they only affect expansion of the element itself.. Whoops? :P
Thanks for the examples!

Still, depending on the number of children, manually calculating could get tedious very quickly.

Tom Wijsman

@Bob Yeah. max-height only imposes a limit on the height of the element itself, such that you can do things like specify a height of 25% but set it such that it can't be bigger than 100px or something to avoid having a very high box on very large viewports. And when using width / height often you need to watch your overflows and set them right exactly for that reason...

@Bob Yeah, it depends on the nature of them. If you just same some normal boxes with each some fixed heights you can just sum them up (their padding/margin/border as well), it's the special cases and procentual heights and all that that could make it more complex.

But unless you are making a wicked page you shouldn't come across that.

The reason I choose to prefer MDN / standards is because there is so much wrong information on the internet that's only going to make it worse (it works now, but not next time, ...) instead of knowing what the right way at doing it is.

People blaming browsers having bugs, while they actually don't meet the standard themselves, seen such things...

Before... After... Haircut.

(Reshared from Reddit, as usual)

Bob

5:13 PM

►

Oliver Salzburg

5:24 PM

@Bob Genius!

Renan

@Bob very useful, now I can turn VS into a "music" composition tool

Oliver Salzburg

6:32 PM

final NameserversAndTheirAddressesDeterminedByResolver nameServerIpAddresses = new NameserversAndTheirAddressesDeterminedByResolver();

Impressive :D

final TestContext context = doExecuteTestUsingTestDomainIntermediateResultsAndNameServers(nameServerIpAddresses,
          NS_DNS_ENTRY_FACTORY.create(TEST_DOMAIN_NAME, NS_1_DOMAIN_NAME, Arrays.asList(InetAddress
              .getByName("192.168.1.1"))));

Jesus...

I thought those were rumors about Java programmers...

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sidran32

6:50 PM

I remember when I was learning Java, the convention of the time that was drilled into our brains was to use very descriptive variable names.

I don't think I was that bad though. :P

I still am in that habit but my variable names tend to not be that long. Just shorthand, mostly.

Tom Wijsman

7:22 PM

@OliverSalzburg Oh my... He shortened Inet, (D)NS and IP. :(

Oliver Salzburg

@TomWijsman Sadly, reading that source did not bring me closer to understanding my problem :P

@sidran32 It's actually the source of the tool the German (.de) domain authority uses to validate requests. In that regard, I'm very grateful for this kind of detail :D

Still a bit funny though :D

sidran32

@OliverSalzburg Aha :P

Tom Wijsman

They've not heard about magic values, then. :(

Oliver Salzburg

8:16 PM

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Q: Why is Denic not accepting my nameservers?

I'm currently in the process of moving all of our domains to our own nameservers. Which wasn't an issue until I hit our own .de domain. I (think I) understand the implications of having the NS inside it's own domain, hence the need for glue records. Until yesterday, I would have assumed I have a...