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@Lamak it seems there is one Jonathan Gonzalez here at PGConf EU who knows you
or sort of
someone was not totally sober already
 
 
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@dezso hmm...doesn't ring a bell
 
 
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Morning
 
Morning
 
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7:01 AM
Morning
 
Morning
 
7:18 AM
Buenos dias
 
7:52 AM
Morning
 
Morning
 
TIL I can't VTC questions with a bounty on them
 
8:08 AM
is there a canonical list of magic links?
 
I feel like that's a good question for the magic 8-paul
 
or for meta
 
I assumed that he just consumes meta
That's pretty meta, man
 
jeeeeeezus
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A: Adding magic link for Meta Stack Overflow?

ᔕᖺᘎᕊI've made a 'Magic links enhancer' userscript to make magic links more useful across all SE sites. It uses @M'vy's idea of having a basic format of [SITE:type:id], and works the same way across the network. Links are expanded at POST time, so readers don't need to have the extension installed t...

galaxy brain
 
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Q: Is there a canonical list of Magic Links?

Peter VandivierRecently I learned "Magic Links" are a thing Paul White: Magic links now work e.g. [mcve] and [example] and [repro] for the new help page Jul 10 9:45 PM This is awesome, but I have a nagging feeling there's more of these that I'm not using and very much could be. Are there more magic lin...

 
Thanks Master Database
What a nice guy
 
good guy [master] database
 
8:55 AM
> What happens if a bounty question is closed or deleted? / **Why can't I vote to close or migrate a bounty question?**
Bounty questions cannot be closed directly.
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Q: How does the bounty system work?

A. RexIt's possible to offer and award bounties of reputation on questions. What is a bounty? How can I find questions that have a bounty attached? How do I start a bounty? When can I start a bounty? Why is the system requiring me to choose a bounty amount that's higher than the minimum? Can I use Ma...

Oh, and podcast.
> So today, with a renewed energy, we’ve decided to bring it back. We’ve got three new hosts:

Ben Popper, the director of content here at Stack (that’s me)
Sara Chipps, the director of Public Q&A at Stack, a veteran developer, and Stack user number #4140

Paul Ford: a writer and technologist who serves as CEO of Postlight, a digital product studio

We’ll be chatting about what it’s like to work in software development, how folks can learn to code, and the way in which computer programming is influencing business, culture, and society.
I "wonder" if they mention the recent events ...
 
> I was surprised to hear the concept of a compiler being defined at all, let alone with a scrambled egg analogy.
> Please assume your audience are programmers and take it from there.
from the comments ^^
 
9:10 AM
I am surprised they find time to make podcasts while the users are furious. It's like the captain and crew of the Titanic decide to join the band while the ship is sinking.
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ On the other hand, they can't just focus on that alone. That could make things worse
 
morning
 
@George.Palacios that's a good point.
 
anyone remembers that pic here from years ago saying something like 'OK, it's winter, but Hibernate?'
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ I do completely get the frustration though. It likely could have waited
 
9:16 AM
I'm beyond frustration at this point.
SO decided they don't want anyone that has different beliefs than theirs in the platform. Good. I'm still considering my options.
 
My SO profile finally got deleted today
 
wow. I hope you keep the dba.se one at least!
 
press F
 
wait... it looks like [mcve] was a magic link since August 2018??
@PaulWhite - what change were you referencing with this?
Jul 10 at 21:45, by Paul White
Magic links now work e.g. [mcve] and [example] and [repro] for the new help page
 
so the magic link always existed but didn't resolve until you published the target page for this network?
 
two messages later...
Jul 4 at 16:13, by Paul White
magic links require code changes so there will be a delay on that
 
or staff did or something?
now i'm just more confused
are magic link per-network or universal?
 
stop typing for a moment and I will explain it to you
some magic links are only enabled on request
before we had an MCVE page, there was nothing for [mcve] and its synonyms to link to
so yes, a community manager had to create the page then ask a developer to change the code so that [mcve] etc worked here
the page that [mcve] links to is mod editable
the synonyms are [mcve], [mre], [reprex], [repro], [example].
/help/mcve and /help/reprex urls go to the same page
<ends>
It seems a Brexit deal has been agreed
 
What?
Checks the news
:(
What a sad day for our country
 
9:42 AM
Hmmm
Only a half-truth I think
It's not gone through our parliament
and the DUP are saying they won't support it
It could very well be rejected by the UK government
 
@AndriyM many thanks
 
Makes me laugh that the DUP are the ones that allowed them to form a government in the first place
 
@Philᵀᴹ The irony! I know right!
Was just saying that to my work colleagues
 
Quite the turn around from a few weeks ago.
 
"We've got a great new deal" -- the only way that can possibly be true is if Brexit is not going to happen
 
9:50 AM
Vote is on Saturday according to our local press, I'll wait until then before I believe this saga ends
 
This is just the Brexit Season 1 cliffhanger finale. Season 2 is going to be even more depressing. I wish they'd never commissioned this series in the first place, it's too dystopian
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I know little about the politics, but it does seem unlikely to pass parliament given the vested interests.
The LibDems are opposed to leaving the EU at all - despite the referendum result.
Labour want to be in power.
SNP want to leave the UK.
 
@PaulWhite But... Corbyn.
 
@PaulWhite i think that might be helpful info to add to meta post ;)
 
If Scotland left the UK & had EU membership I'd seriously consider moving
(If Brexit actually happens too)
 
9:53 AM
@PeterVandivier I'm not really participating on the site at the moment
@Philᵀᴹ There seems an irony to me in Scotland wanting to leave the UK, but not wanting the UK to leave the EU.
No doubt there are reasons.
 
@Philᵀᴹ I don't really know anything about him, except he seems more popular with the base than his MPs? Anyway, my point was Labour will not support the government to get the deal done because they want to be in power, and presumably think they would get a better deal, or would find some way to creatively cancel Brexit.
 
@PaulWhite That's the thing. "Scotland" doesn't want to leave. The vote was only a few years ago
SNP on the other hand do want to, because it's their major policy
 
@George.Palacios Yes a "once in a generation" vote I think it was called at the time.
 
Hahahaha
Very astute
 
9:56 AM
I know kids are growing up faster these days but...
 
I can't see it getting through Parliament
 
@PaulWhite I think leaving the EU would have quite an impact on Scotland. I haven't done the math but I assume the EU money that's going to national parks and nature preservation makes for a substantial part of Scotlands GDP
 
@George.Palacios Part of me is curious to see what Boris has in mind to leave on Oct 31 despite that new law they passed
 
@PaulWhite It's unclear. Number 10 have said that he will follow the law
And since that he hasn't really said much on the matter
 
@TomV I agree, but also have seen no numbers around that
I will admit I don't really see why leaving the EU would be such a big deal
 
9:59 AM
Mainly because it was built in such a way that leaving was never meant to be an option
 
Sure, it's a big change legally and for trade, but with a long enough transition agreement
 
Article 50, in fact, was severely lacking in detail on process
Which is why we've been in such a bad situation with it
 
So it would seem!
 
@PaulWhite I think that's the issue. The populace have been whipped into a frenzy and they "WANT OUT NOW"
 
It has been a bizarre few years
May seemed incompetent to me
 
10:01 AM
As a person, I really empathise with her. As a politician though I agree
She didn't do much good
However I preferred her to Bojo
 
Yes I was speaking of her as a poliitican of course
@George.Palacios He seems a polarizing figure.
 
Yeah. I just like to remind myself as often as I can that these people are in fact, people.
 
He does seem to have delivered what he said he would though.
 
@George.Palacios Bojo sounds so much like a clown name!
 
Probably deliberate
@George.Palacios That is true, though politics has always been a game for the thick-skinned
 
10:03 AM
@PaulWhite He's been defeated in literally every vote he's put forward up until last week where he won one
@PaulWhite More for my own sanity lol
 
@George.Palacios Well that can happen in a (very) minority government
 
Oh yeah I get that. My point is he's made literally no difference
Also they completely and utterly misused the Queens speech
 
Except for agreeing a new deal many said was impossible
 
We'll see on that one
If it ends up happening, I will admit to that one
But I have my doubts at the moment
 
It has happened today.
The EU said over and over again the withdrawal agreement would not be reopened.
I mean I get people don't like him, and many don't want brexit to happen at all, but that doesn't change the facts
 
10:05 AM
I wonder what will happen if the deal is agreed in Brussels and then rejected in the UK parliament.
 
Kind of? It's not been accepted by either the EU parliament or the UK parliament so how far can you say it's been Agreed?
I'm not sure personally
 
@George.Palacios I'm just reading what Reuters are reporting
 
It's basically been agreed by the heads of in Brussels and our PM
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ The drama will continue
 
they need to convince their parliaments
which I feel is... unlikely with ouras
 
10:06 AM
I know all that. My point is that what has happened today looked impossible just a few weeks ago
 
But we shall see. I actually hope it does go through so we can put this spectacle to bed!
@PaulWhite I think a lot of that was posturing, personally.
I never bought into that line
 
I hear Labour are saying they will support a referendum on the new deal
Ha ha. Then best of three for the decider.
 
Interesting
 
It would be cheaper to toss a coin.
 
Well, I don't feel that way. We never got to vote on the deal, it was just, should we leave or not? I'd personally like a say in the deal
But that would be an absolute political minefield I appreciate
 
10:09 AM
@PaulWhite The money behind Brexit is coming from folks who have been using the UK's liberal financial transparency laws for tax evasion on a biblical scale. The EU has implemented an agreement requiring member states to crack down on this sort of thing.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Which comes into play very soon right?
 
I'm not really into conspiracy theories
@ypercubeᵀᴹ A pound or euro though?
 
Additional money and assistance with social media manipulation has been funded from Russia (Putin is trying to destabilise the EU)
 
LOL Russia did it
 
@PaulWhite Not even close.
 
10:10 AM
@PaulWhite a pound
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ They'd need a referendum to decide which coin to use
 
The far right has pretty much been a set of useful idiots.
 
@PaulWhite I appreciate the conspiracy aspect, but when you look at the major advocates for leaving the EU, nearly all of them would be materially affected in a big way by the new evasion laws (lot's off offshore funds won't be allowed anymore)
And whilst I don't like to dip into conspiracy
 
clearly
 
lol
No genuinely. I like to look at the facts
I'm not saying there's a link between the two
 
10:12 AM
The trouble is people tend to be selective about which facts seem important
It has ever been thus
 
but I just... can't reconcile the facts without some element of misplay
 
@PaulWhite British politics is an order of magnitude more sleazy than Kiwiland.
 
I mean, London is basically the legal money-laundering capital of the world right now
 
Much, much more corrupt. NZ is close to the bottom of the list in corruption metrics.
 
Would it be sensible to let the EU break that? For those who are both in power AND directly involved?
I don't think so. But I can't prove that either way
For now I hope that we don't continue to allow tax-evasion at the epidemic levels it is happening currently
 
10:14 AM
There are also folks looking to make a few bob on shorting the GBP and British assets.
 
Well that's nothing new. Remember the ERM
Norman Lamont? I think that was the guy.
Not that this was a good week or two to be short Cable
 
There have been other shenanigans like manipulating the overnight rate.
 
LIBOR?
 
Yes. Does something like the Reserve banks OCR.
 
I think my real anger at this whole process is that whilst this sideshow continues we have people dying. Homelessness has risen dramatically. Crime has risen. Life expectancy has stopped rising. The NHS has been critically underfunded
 
10:17 AM
Was that not due to austerity though and the 2008(?) GFC?
Pretty sure that date's wrong
But you know what I mean
 
Austerity that should have ended years ago, and due to the current circus the government haven't been brought to task on it
 
There are already medicine shortages. It's beyond ridiculous
 
That's my view anyway
 
@PaulWhite There was a big stink about folks manipulating the LIBOR
 
Anyway I agree a lot of time and focus has been wasted on brexit
 
10:18 AM
Yeah exactly
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells This book is brilliant: amazon.co.uk/Spider-Network-Backstabbing-Greatest-Financial/dp/…
 
I walk through my city centre daily and there are significantly more homeless on the streets
People are genuinely suffering
 
But, in my simplistic view, when a referendum says do something, you have to do it
Otherwise what's the point
 
@George.Palacios Where do you live George?
 
@Philᵀᴹ Leeds
 
10:19 AM
Just up the road from me (Sheffield)
 
something something northern powerhouse...
 
Maybe I picked the wrong night to watch Snowden
 
LOL
@PaulWhite For me personally, it was a non-binding referendum
 
@PaulWhite It is simplistic; there was a large misinformation campaign - still ongoing - pushing the leave side.
There's no doubt that a lot of money is going into pushing brexit.
 
We are a representative democracy. You don't just chuck the opinion to the populace for arbitrary decisions.
 
10:21 AM
Yeah yeah I hear those 'arguments'. But the losing side would always say that sort of thing
 
Sounds like an easy way to dismiss the facts to me
 
I remember watching the coverage live. Was quite a shock.
 
It's not like this was a 70/30 split
52/48 lol
 
Quite a lot of votes.
 
Biggest turnout in our history IIRC
 
10:23 AM
I wonder if the same 'non-binding' argument would be heard from the same people if the referendum had been 52/48(ish) to stay, but the government had decided Leave.
 
I suppose my view really is that ultimately I agree with you on principal, but at what cost?
There has to be a line.
 
@Philᵀᴹ i'll be up in liverpool this weekend 😄
 
@Philᵀᴹ We should arrange a northern dba get together
 
@George.Palacios I have no idea.
 
@George.Palacios Yup
 
10:24 AM
Estimated at about a £2000 loss of annual GDP per capita.
 
I think that's my whole problem with this. People seem to be in the mindset that we need to do it regardless of the outcome
which is madness
This is literally what representative democracies were built to protect us from, and as of right now it's failed for me
I'm now questioning whether a representative democracy can even work going forward.
 
One does have to be careful when calling referrenda
David Cameron.
I'll just leave that there.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells It's hard to take such numbers seriously. Might be right? Might be wildly wrong? The track record on such predictions has not been great.
 
I do have to say though, the militarisation of peoples data via Cambridge Analytica et al is very concerning.
 
10:27 AM
Pre-vote I think the BoE predicted an immediate recession if the vote was to leave.
 
The fact that only the leave campaign used said data should also be taken into account, IMHO
 
etc etc etc
 
So do we just ignore predictions completely?
It's a super difficult position lol
 
I guess one takes them with a grain of salt
 
10:28 AM
And be careful not to select only those predictions that back up one's POV
 
And it's estimated that trillions in stashed cash have been taken elsewhere
 
@Philᵀᴹ Stopped reading at "Experts predict..."
 
I don't think I've seen any positive forecasts whatsoever. Maybe I just haven't come across them though?
 
There aren't any
It's not like we're a manufacturing powerhouse
 
Also, operation yellowhammer
The governments OWN analysis damned the whole prospect of leaving
BBC so pick out the bias
but it's all based on the Governments own documents
With all of that, PLUS the Austerity, I really really fear for what will happen
Don't get me wrong, I'll be fine
The vulnerable won't though
 
10:32 AM
A lot of folks won't.
 
Yellowhammer was a worst case scenario though.
Anyway, no one is going to change their minds on this.
 
New Zealand might do quite well out of Brexit.
 
But pretending it is simple and only one side is operating in good faith is ... unlikely to be fair or accurate
 
@PaulWhite or realistic. Agreed
 
Nobody gave a shit about the EU a few years ago
It's all daft
 
10:34 AM
Yep. Barely mentioned
 
Brits living in France & Spain voting to leave 😂
And moaning about immigrants
Oh, the LOLs
 
@PaulWhite The sleaze is palpable.
 
I think we can all agree that we want this to end, in one form or another hahaha
 
Repeated use of dirty tricks to stop parliament from blocking a hard brexit.
 
10:37 AM
@George.Palacios That would be best. It doesn't seem close to ending though. Even if a deal is agreed by everyone, there is a long second phase.
Negotiating the future relationship etc.
 
Ah don't. You're depressing me
But yeah you're completely correct
Also who knows, we might not even need a food trade deal with the US
 
Did I hear some UK media outlet was starting a brexit-free news channel?
I could quite understand that, if true
 
Does anyone remember the turnaround from Trump when he said the NHS had to be on the table in trade deals? That's the one thing you don't say to us Brits hahaha
 
I would like to see what big-mouth Verhofstadt has to say now
 
I hear the US has a far superior model for healthcare
@TomV Wasn't he all doom and gloom? No chance of a deal etc.? Or am I misremembering?
 
10:40 AM
Yeah I hear going bankrupt from healthcare costs is all the rage
 
@PaulWhite I've seen what a US style model of healthcare looks like up close, and had to fork out for it on quite a few occasions. Even at Indonesian prices it's not a pretty sight.
 
Perhaps Evan was right about capitalism
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@PaulWhite Yes an aggressive "we won't negotiate" stance
 
Someone had to say it @George
 
10:41 AM
I don't think I've ever read "Perhaps Evan was right"
 
That's why it gets stars
Evan probably has some weird take on Brexit but I don't immediately recall what it is
 
@PaulWhite I recall him trying to explain his stance but he lost me pretty quickly
 
undoubtedly that it would be better in ALL CAPS
 
It'll be that Russia did it, but that it was a positive
 
Sounds like Evan
 
10:43 AM
He's not the easiest to follow.
 
Aug 23 at 17:37, by Philᵀᴹ
I just agreed with Evan. Oh Lordy
(6 stars ^^)
 
I rest my case
 
I see what you did there
 
Quod Evan Demonstratum?
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10:45 AM
 
Can we all just take a moment to reflect on the fact that Google searches for "What is the EU" were massively up after the vote
And also on the fact that some people genuinely believed that we would physically leave Europe
 
I trust Google implicitly
Facebook as well
Twitter can be a little unreliable at times
People are so intolerant there. Always polarized into two simplistic groups.
Not like reality at all
 
Corbyn has weighed in on the situation by saying the deal is "an even worse deal than Theresa May's, which was overwhelmingly rejected"
This is set to be an interesting (boring) few political days
 
Quelle surprise
 
I guess we can expect to see a bunch of spin blaming the non-acceptance of the deal on Corbyn, remainers, immigrants, the Establishmentᵀᴹ or Santa Claus.
 
10:50 AM
Santa Clause is an immigrant
 
Has Trump tweeted yet?
 
@PeterVandivier A point that isn't made often enough
 
In unrelated news, Henley-on-Thames (Bojo's electorate) is actually quite a nice little town, although prone to traffic jams on the roads in.
 
My friend visited there. She said it was v posh.
I think the regatta was on
 
@PaulWhite Probably. It's a fairly major event. Not as OTT as Royal Ascot, though.
 
10:52 AM
pinky. out.
 
My personal impression of England is that it is overwhelmingly grey.
 
You will never see so many drunk people in silly hats as at Royal Ascot.
 
@PaulWhite You haven't been to the country side then. There are a ton of unique, beautiful spots.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells it's amazing people watching
 
Also Leeds isn't half bad. Lots of green in the city
 
10:53 AM
@PaulWhite They plant lots of trees around the roads, which makes for pleasant driving, and do a pretty good job of conservation.
 
@George.Palacios I only see it on TV. The sky seems grey 90%+ of the time.
 
@PaulWhite Ah the sky. Yeah I'll concede that one haha
We usually get 3 days of summer
And when it is hot, you'll be damned sure that we'll all be complaining about it
 
The roads around Tunbridge wells are nice - lots of country lanes. AA Milne used to live not far from there (in Forest Row, near East Grinstead). You can go to the site of the original Pooh sticks bridge.
 
There were a couple of Ashes cricket games where the sky was partly blue in fairness
 
In fairness, it could be significantly worse. Thank you Mr Gulf Stream
 
10:55 AM
It has been suggested that science is powerless to explain why the English hell is not wet.
 
Ayla (my friend) said Wales was v nice almost like being home in some ways
 
Lot's of rural, unbuilt areas in Wales
 
I found Ireland to be closer to a Catholic version of New Zealand than it was to England.
 
@George.Palacios Will climate change put a stop to that?
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Ah well she didn't get as far as Ireland
 
@PaulWhite If it does then welcome to the Tundra
 
10:56 AM
Isn't some of the UK on the same latitude as Canada?
 
Yup. Russia too
We're very north
and you know what they say about that
 
@PaulWhite It's quite a bit more polar than New Zealand.
 
I think I see Putin's long-term plan
@George.Palacios grim?
 
yes that
If the Gulf Stream does go, this country is done pretty much. Our infrastructure can't handle moderate cold, nevermind those levels
 
I can't see this guy in Snowden as anything except Sylar (sp?) from Heroes
 
10:58 AM
@George.Palacios Leaves on the tracks. Ice on the tracks. Snow on the tracks.
 
Well so long as it's not the wrong kind of leaves you'll be ok
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells "Leaves on the ice"
I actually learned the other month why leaves are such a big problem!
They run a voltage through the track which locates trains
 
They grind into a super slippery paste?
 
too many leaves and you get ghost-trains
Nobody wants a ghost train
 
👻
 
10:59 AM
No. It bolloxes up the sensors which keep track of the train's locations.
 
^ that
 
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