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@Duga That looks like a tasty PR just waiting.
Home time.</iven>
 
> This should be fixable by adjusting some size-related properties on the BindableTextEditor control included in the EncapsulateFieldView.xaml here: https://github.com/rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck/blob/d70d3cb731affaad96875a30b6dbdf9554f56dc4/Rubberduck.Core/UI/Refactorings/EncapsulateField/EncapsulateFieldView.xaml#L117-L123

The control exposes all properties that AvalonEdit's TextEditor already exposes, which includes `MinHeight` and `Height` both inherited from the `Control` class. Adding a s
 
12:33 AM
> I agree with the resizing, and I'd say there should be scrollbars if there's more content than what's shown.
> Great issue BTW, thanks for opening this!
 
@Duga perfect 01-duckling issue there
 
now the next step is closing it again :)
~wink wink nudge nudge
aaaanyways, I'm off to bed :)
 
'night
 
Tonight I get to re-realize why VBIDE is a bug.
 
12:46 AM
again? lol
what are you up to?
 
12:59 AM
woot!
 
Nice!
 
now, hopefully this builds now... crosses fingers
#happybuild
 
1:41 AM
welp VBIDE's windowing is officially f'd up
Given that the CE initially opens in VBIDE docked:
Note that the TW is a direct child of the VBIDE.
 
it shouldn't be?
 
Undocking it into a floating palette does this:
 
Now it has a new parent, a new window is created, and that VBFloatingPalette is a direct child of the desktop.
 
ok so it spawns a floating window and swaps the parent
 
1:43 AM
That kind of makes sense so far.
Now, let's dock it again!
The parent is swapped again back to VBIDE, but the original floating window isn't destroyed.
 
obviously, so it doesn't need to re-create it if you ever need to re-undock it
 
Right....
so let's undock it!
 
the fun begins
 
The original palette handle is now dead. We get a new handle! Yay!
(this, too, is a direct child of desktop window)
 
now now, they do clean it up!
eventually... maybe
 
1:46 AM
so basically the parent's a moving target for every docking action
But at least I think I can handle it.....
famous last words
 
ha, so we should always take the COM hit when we need it then
 
to do what?
 
presumably using the dead handle gets us a nice AV?
 
oh shoot. I didn't see what happens when I make it undockable.
nah, that's not a problem. The problem is knowing who's the daddy at the moment.
 
1:53 AM
I'm gonna have me a new daddy. 99 daddies on the wall....
2
I'm gonna collect me all daddies and trade them, swap them with my friends
oh wait, my bad.
That's still undockable. Whew
That's after re-docking the undockable window.
No more daddies! Ta-da!
 
docking is a strange thing. good thing we went with ducking! dammit UD
 
IKR?
On a different subject --
I'm not sure how to not use #if DEBUG there
 
2:14 AM
> This is a great 01-duckling issue. Vogel's already laid the trail of breadcrumbs out. If you have any more questions :hint: :hint: we're happy to help.
 
2:27 AM
knf = ?? KaniptionFit? :derp: I needed to scroll up 1 line.
 
@this shouldn't that just be throw?
we're throwing away the stack trace there
and... I think the catch and rethrow makes that one a bit special?
(no idea how to avoid the conditional compilation hack there)
 
yeah i am not clear why it has that behavior
i'll just ignore this
 
I don't follow all of what's going on with the docking and undocking. Is the expected behavior to have the same parent each time it's attached and that's not happening?
 
2:45 AM
swapping parents is expected.
not destroying the parents is kind of not
well, that's not accurate.
more specifically, it's not reusing parents that it should be reusing
 
It's adopting new parents each time it's docked?
 
3:01 AM
yeah
 
 
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> The PR is now complete with its commits. However, I still need to do some live testing to verify I haven't broken something that's not a compile time error.
[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] build for commit 78f4a824 on unknown branch: AppVeyor build failed
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strange. #worksOnMyMachine
 
5:45 AM
VBA-Typhoid-Iven has spread to you too. ~Beware!
It's begun to infect AppVeyor.
 
 
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@Feeds heh, strange timing given the talk of (window) parents :-)
 
11:46 AM
However, one wonders why the monks would contend to sully themselves with Java when they could be using some more elegant language. ;-)
 
 
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1:27 PM
> “Excellent,” said Banzen, draining his cup. “So in seven days, by using only simple constants and functions operating on a generic Java hashtable, we have invented... the Object.”
LOL. Flashbacks here too.
Hurrah for code duplication!
I just found a place where we 100% duplicate our code between two systems, because we're too lazy to pull the old system out.
 
1:51 PM
> Selecting `bar` (in the example above) makes it easier to quickly find where you are when you've navigated and jumped to a whole new screen full of text. Just the blinking cursor can be harder to find when you're not exactly sure _where_ in that screen you should be looking.

In that respect, I'd vote for selecting the targeted "word". When navigating to a procedure, it wouldn't hurt to select the `Foo` in `Private Function Foo() as Bar`, but I'd think that selecting the whole Function woul
 
> This should have been done as of four years ago. What is the issue? Excel UV on large number mangling
#TheJoyOfMaintainingBackwardCompatibility
 
2:30 PM
in Coding Projects and Vue.js Heaven :), yesterday, by skiwi
I managed to close 5 tabs! :)
^ One of the signs of the apocalypse, isn't it?
 
@FreeMan nah, that's only dangerous when the tabcount edges ever closer to two digits
 
for skiwi? yeah, 2-digit tab count would be... bad. he's regularly in the 4-digits, isn't he?
 
not sure about that one, but yes it's not unheard of
 
3:26 PM
> I've added a `SuspendParserFailureException `based on prior comments. A couple questions about `OnSuspendParser(...)`

> /// <summary>
> /// Suspends the parser for the action provided after the current parse has finished.
> /// Any incoming parse requests will be executed afterwards.
> /// </summary>
> /// <param name="requestor">The object requesting a reparse.</param>
> /// <param name="allowedRunStates">The states in which the action
[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] build for commit cf1e02b6 on unknown branch: AppVeyor build succeeded
 
3:50 PM
Hactoberfest help close a few issues? Haven't seen the count be below 800 in a while.
 
23 more before we hit 2500 closed.
 
4:05 PM
#TIL there's alcohol filled tide pods.
 
4:19 PM
ProTip: Don't watch news.
 
@this watch the comedy show for your news... state fact/point, make joke... easier to discern the BS lol
 
4:33 PM
@IvenBach There's Mountain Dew in your car's radiator, too!
 
Mmmmm the calcium build up gives it that extra crunch I've always wanted.
News feels like it's degenerated into pandering to the uneducated masses.
 
@IvenBach There's quite the market for all of those... some even have edible containers, which is kind of hysterical
someone made a godiva liquor knockoff in little plastic pods... they had to make a statement about them not being intended for use as suppositories
i was wrong... that was a capsule; the whiskey-pods thing is newer than that
 
it's distressing to find that even when one's willing to pay for a good commercial software, the offerings sucks.
 
@this what'cha mean?
 
Trying to find a better alternative to SQL Server's Migration Assistant which kind of.... sucks.
But looking at the commercial offering, they sucks too (and wants my buck for it)
 
4:45 PM
oh; ahh, the alterinative software that is available. i misunderstood "the offerings suck" part
was thinking "they want to pay for it, but they want to offer very little" like a lowball bid
 
Ahh, my bad. No, not like that.
I mean, c'mon. You want me to cough up some dough? At least have some dignity to make, I don't know, quality software that's a notch better than what I can get for free?
 
i wish i had some insight, but i rely on my colleague to do all that for me ='/ to my knowledge he uses a db migration package which he accesses with php
 
it's unfortunately not the first time where I went looking to buy and found the options less than stellar compared to what I can get free.
Makes me wonder if anyone in software industry is even trying.
 
true... which is kind of sad for the people making it open-source since they oculd make a buck or two
unrelated... our insanely slow internet today is pissing me off beyond belief
 
try strings & tin cans
should be better
 
4:56 PM
5 minutes to hit google.com means it's a good day. IT says they're working on it. been similar since we swapped to a global ERP system so every system eats bandwidth (not usually this bad, thoguh)
@this i might have to do that for our other building...
 
@IvenBach that blasphemy by The Glenlivet?
 
Yep. That’s the one. Coworker mentioned it.
 
5:12 PM
Hopefully they won't turn this godly nectar into a tide pod...
 
> Children aren’t taught the version of Paul Revere’s midnight ride that includes how drunk the militia was when the British eventually arrived, or that the pilgrims were sailing for Virginia but stopped at Plymouth, Massachusetts, because they were running out of beer.
 
(yes that's 60.3%)
 
@MathieuGuindon so it rates a D-?
 
lol
as far as I'm concerned, it's the best whisky I've ever had... and I can't imagine gulping a whole, what, 120ml all at once. you drink this thing drop by drop....
 
@this Well, that latter wasn't really unsurprising.
Fresh water turns brackish, so they'd bring weak beer on ships instead.
And you can't drink seawater.
 
5:21 PM
and thus was born Coors Light
 
@MathieuGuindon Something like that, yep.
 
@MathieuGuindon there is no such thing as whisky where drinking more than a nip is acceptable
 
> “We were an incredibly drunken culture,” Susan Cheever, the author of Drinking in America: Our Secret History, says of America’s early years.
Well, we did descend from British settlers...
 
I mean ... I have a bottle of liquor at home that pretends to be whisky, but it's just something you can mix with softdrinks.
 
@FreeMan And French, Netherlanders, Germans, Irish, Spanish, and others.
 
5:28 PM
not that the German taste for beer seems to have had any lasting influence on the American one..
 
LOL.
I mean, there's also a good reason the prohibition got passed. It's not because drinking wasn't a problem...
 
@Vogel612 I mean, you drink this drop by drop not because whisky snob culture, but because the thing is so overwhelmingly potent (and yet so smooth... it's a delight) that chugging it is just downright impossible
 
@MathieuGuindon AIUI, a sailor pissed in a bucket and later some other sailor drank from the bucket, muses that it's not so bad, and thus light beer.
 
then they added fruits, blended vigorously, and called it IPA?
 
5:31 PM
@Hosch250 Yeah, the history book usually don't really mention the temperament movement.
Pretty sure fruits isn't a thing you add to an IPA.
A traditional IPA at least.
 
My old man loves his beer. Constantly educates others it's older than other drinks and that it helped build America.
 
@this I learned about it through the work of several British orphanage managers. It was quite a serious problem where people would force kids onto the streets because they drank their paycheck away, the orphanages would raise them, then the parents would claim them back and make them work and drink away the kid's check too.
That's actually where the first laws about legally taking away parents' rights came about, to protect the kids once they got into their late teens.
 
Hmm. Interesting. That casts a different light on the Dickensian orphanages.
 
huh, then what are these things they serve in Seattle bars that they sell as beer? (if it wasn't apparent already, I'm not a big beer drinker) ...it's either Heineken, Coors Light, Budwater, or some orange/mango/papaya/whatever "beer" ..I thought that was an "IPA"
 
There are fruity IPA now but it's certainly not traditional.
 
5:35 PM
ah
 
hmm, come to think of it, fruity beer wasn't the norm, either.
except for specific kinds which name eludes me at the moment
 
TBH, fruits being widely available is new with refrigeration.
 
I want to say Belgian something
 
@MathieuGuindon I think you're looking for "craft beer"
 
^
 
5:36 PM
Hence, you'd get apple beer, maybe, but not orange or lemon, or whatever other tropical ones.
 
that's the latest thing - #FlavorOfMonth
 
Or blackberry.
Or whatever.
 
> Do you have any, uh, beer-flavored beers?
 
in Germany it all started with banana-beer.
 
Oh?
 
5:37 PM
Because bananas are tropical, but ship well because they ripen after they're picked.
 
Hmm makes sense to start with a banana. It comes pretty close to being bready.
I was thinking of flavor not preservation
 
weirdly enough there was a beer around (Paulaner Hefe-Weizen) that had a distinct banana-note, and apparently people liked it
note that the brand I'm talkin about had no banana added to it in any way. It was real German beer, Reinheitsgebot and all
so apparently people liked it and some craft beer people and small local breweries started to experiment with "Bananenbier".
and it rapidly evolved from that
 
How long ago was that?
 
a few years... like five or six at least?
 
hm.
the thing is that I think the craft beer was a thing for much longer than that.
and I think I've seen fruity beers for a good while already
 
5:41 PM
@Hosch250 yeah, shoulda just said "Europeans"...
 
that's for sure, but it wasn't that popular, at least in Germany
 
the way I remember it became a thing to experiment in the early naughties and became pretty mainstream (e.g. your local grocery store start stocking more and more of craft beers) toward the end of naughties.
Whereas in 80s/90s, everyone was content to drink their Bud, Pabst, Coors, what have you.
 
naughties = 2000-2009?
 
that's a typo. Should be noughties
but meh. Either works.
 
@this here we had "Tornade" and "Boomerang" for a little while around c.1999, with "Tornade" being berry-infused beer and "Boomerang" being more citrus-y IIRC. Both were a disgusting disaster and disappeared soon after
 
5:45 PM
#Words
 
freudian slip in it's original sense
 
^
Thinking about it, 90s was probably the period when we started seeing more variants of otherwise just "beers"
(thinking of Alaskan Amber or New Beligum Fat Tire)
 
basically a bunch of marketing ploys that somehow struck a chord
 
Could be but I would also point out that this wasn't limited to beers, either.
 
"extra bitter" back in the '50s is 30 shades different than "extra bitter" in the '00s, but hoppiness took off and provided a new metric
 
5:51 PM
There are now much more variants of something on market than before.
Yeah
 
there are some standards depending on country, but the us... yeah.
doppelbach in germany has many requirements, but in the us you can just claim that your stout is a doppelbach based on one processing step
 
lol, and yet there's a law to define specifically what a Bourbon is
 
@MathieuGuindon that was part of why Blue Moon's wheat beer sold so well... i think they even had a marketting campaign that was "not full of added flavors" and just showed someone spritzing an orange it it, which is now the standard garnish
the amount of times i'd have to distinguish whiskey from bourbon is astronomical...
"it's the same thing" "no miss, you are not a bartender"
@MathieuGuindon should have linked to that two messages ago... The Federal Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits (27 CFR 5) state that bourbon must meet these requirements: Bourbon must be made of a grain mixture that is at least 51% corn. Bourbon must be distilled to no more than 160 (U.S.) proof (80% alcohol by volume). Bourbon must be aged in new, charred oak barrels
 
Why was it even necessary?
 
because of Kentucky.
 
5:57 PM
^
 
and Canada is on board with it, too
 
Pretty sure the hillbillies are content to drink moonshine whether it's corn or not
 
@Cyril it doesn't mandate in-cask aging period of N years?
surely it's 3+ years
 
so... a long, long time ago in the days of fuckall, someone decided to make a bunch of barrels and had nothign to do with them after the war-demand died down. so they started finding ways to use them. they had so many in fact, made frmo a particular type of wood, and from a particular region, that these were marketed as such... fast-forward to more present, people lobbied after prohibition was repealed that those barrels are what "make" a bourbon, and then started adding more
and more requirements to what "is" a bourbon
 
European Sherry casks have an interesting story too
 
6:01 PM
i only know of this because it relates to my great, great, great grandfather
 
ha, nice!
 
soooo.... Bourbon is whiskey made in Kentucky .
 
^ bingo
 
not made in kentucky, utilizing barrels distributed from kentucky. you can make bourbon anywhere, hence they added the other requirements
 
and Tennessee Whiskey can only be made in... yeah, Tennessee
 
6:02 PM
they wanted to have more control and allow only "established" distilleries to contend
 
Sounds to me they forgot the "ass" in the "Jack Daniels"
 
is this how Jack Daniels became "controversial"?
 
lol
 
IDK. Jack + Coke didn't help make it any less controversial in my mind.
 
Coke is the only thing that makes Jack bearable
 
6:05 PM
I just don't think it's right nor good to mix depressants with stimulants.
 
@this Irish coffee (and Coffee43) is a thing you know?
 
I know and I'm prejudiced against it.
 
jack is the one whickey i avoid... "whiskey sour" would be a go-to, but have to check what the rail is... if jack, then stick to some terrible beer; would even accept gentleman jack over jack daniels
ideally they'll have jameson, whcih i feel is a good mixing whiskey (slightly sweet but not overpowering flavor)
 
To get Mug talkative either mention terrible VBA code or alcohol. I sense a distinct connection.
 
I have to say my go-to is Jameson
 
6:12 PM
@MathieuGuindon missed that... there were more requirements, but there's a text limit on messaging. i should have just linked to the page... yes there was a requirement for aging, but i would need to go back and look at the timeframe
 
IIRC it's 3 years minimum
 
:52051543 I know mine.
 
@IvenBach alcohol whiskey, or whisky yeah
 
@IvenBach gotta have your vices
 
@Cyril FIX YOUR CAPITALIZATION AND PUNCTUATION!
 
6:14 PM
...cannot get that to link to the post. sorry, tried to edit and it reposted as another comment driect to you, Ivan
 
:P
 
@Hosch250 wHAT iF i tYPE iN sNAKE?
 
@Cyril Mine involve juggling, and unicycling.
 
@Cyril Fine by me.
 
@Cyril :triggered: Nope not fine.
 
6:16 PM
@Cyril only if posted together with a Sponge Bob gif
 
i'ma start typing in my native tongue soon enough... y'all'n'gon'b'laws
 
@MathieuGuindon Someone's gonna quack if the gif is shown.
 
@Cyril Can I learn it on DuoLingo?
 
i don't actually know what that is
 
you can start a new one
Cyrilese, it shall be.
1 speaker. Soon to be 2.
 
6:24 PM
@Hosch250 assuming that's English-TX, does the app also have English-MA and English-NY? I think I could use that.
 
@MathieuGuindon Unfortunately, no.
 
FWIW, not even Texans speak like that.
 
MN is pretty crisp US-English, but we talk really fast.
 
Must be those backcountry hillbillies with names like Rueford and Clement
 
Other places clip words more, or "slide" them together.
 
6:25 PM
mine would be appalachian
lots of slurred together, conjugated words
i'm only half hillbilly, so i can use words like defenestrate while it wouldn't be uncouth to perform
 
@Cyril LOL.
 
gotta cash in on those 50 cent words...
 
I learned that word in Pearls Before Swine (comic).
Rat was teaching Pig his new word of the day. Learning by doing.
 
nice
my remembering of learning "defenestration" would be by the history of prague... less humorous than yours, but i'm sure someone enjoyed it
 
@Cyril 50 Cents may reserve copyright on his words, so I'd proceed with caution.
@Cyril so they didn't have a gullotine but plenty of tall buildings or what?
 
6:30 PM
@this well, he's proven he can't dodge bullets, so i'm not that worried
 
@Cyril Apparently I'm more hillbilly than you seeing as how I've never heard that word before.
 
not even sure if the guillotine had expanded that far east at the time; either way, you have regality in towers and throw them from the window in a literal fashion to the figurative metaphor
@IvenBach takes one to know one? lol
 
> **Rubberduck version information**
The info below can be copy-paste-completed from the first lines of Rubberduck's log or the About box:

Version 2.4.1.5033
OS: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.18362.0, x64
Host Product: Microsoft Office x86
Host Version: 16.0.11328.20420
Host Executable: EXCEL.EXE

**Description**

When working with arrays-of-arrays, accessing a stored value via `arr(i)(j)`
syntax will alway trigger the "Indexed unbound default member access" (I thin
 
@Cyril OK, I just lost productivity.
 
what have we learned today? that alcohol can lead to defenestration
 
Sad part is I grew up and live in a SoCal. A very non hillbilly region.
 
@Hosch250 side tracked via google?
 
Yep.
@Cyril Figuratively and literally.
And yes, I've watched videos of drunk people throwing themselves through windows.
 
solid point.
was describing how this conversation all started with Iven bringing up whiskey tide pods lol
i don't think i've run into that error message which duga posted about... mind you, i've only used jarrs a few times
 
6:48 PM
@Hosch250 i got an actual chuckle out of that one; nice
as opposed to a strong exhale of the nose
 
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