This Is Fine

Frank

12:19 AM

@MartinSleziak I can see some argument here for attempts to deceive, but I can also see it being a parody site.

I think the argument boils down to how visible is the site informing readers that it's not official.

Unionhawk

1:00 AM

I can't, get over the fact that "ross perot gave bernie sanders a sword" is a true and correct set of words

murgatroid99

> Only a small disclaimer at the bottom of the site reveals its purpose as a form of "entertainment and political commentary."

Frank

@murgatroid99 Yeah, that's going to be bad faith, then.

murgatroid99

From the article, it's a lot of "Biden supported X position" with an unstated "but reversed his position decades ago"

Frank

I wonder how that ties into election disclosure regulations?

Although, I have a feeling that if the ruling goes against them, they'll throw the operative under the bus.

Nik3141

One of the really bad things about our information age is that you can easily easily make things look really bad or really good by taking them out of context.

Claiming it was someone working "without their knowledge".

I could see that

murgatroid99

1:13 AM

It's fair to criticize someone for their past votes, but it's clearly cherry-picking and implying that he still holds those positions

Nik3141

Certainly

So is Arqade pretty liberal across the board or is it just the people who bother to come to the chatroom?

murgatroid99

This chat room is definitely very liberal

Nik3141

I mean at this point it's pretty hard to be a conservative and have an ethical position on most things but I was pretty surprised when I got here and saw the Dump bashing

Spectacular

we can discuss the world going up in flames

murgatroid99

It's also pretty much the only place Arqade people chat about politics, so it's kind of hard to tell what positions people who aren't here would hold

Nik3141

lol

murgatroid99

1:18 AM

I think we have had one or two people who lean more conservative who don't really like being in this room

Nik3141

The truth can hurt

Anyone here watch john oliver

murgatroid99

I mean, in general, if you show up in a room saying something, and everyone in the room drops everything to take the time to tell you why you're wrong, you probably won't want to stick around. Independent of the objective value of either position.

@Nik3141 Every week

Nik3141

See the one he did on warehouses?

pppery

That's totally not true.

For instance, nearly everyone told me that my moaning in The Bridge and the community check in meta post about old questions needing retagging and closing was wrong, and yet I still am interested in Arqade.

Nik3141

I think it's great

mostly

just makes it hard to see new questions

murgatroid99

1:23 AM

@pppery I hedged like twice in one sentence. You don't need to tell me that it's not a 100% accurate generalization.

Nik3141

but that's what search is for

air force done messed up

Frank

I've definitely got some conservative leanings; I grew up super traditional, after all.

But I've had arguments with my brother in law about how he thought Trump was the best thing since sliced bread.

murgatroid99

@Nik3141 is syfy.com really a good source for news about secret government space planes?

Nik3141

no

But the one biggest problem I have with the military is how a lot of their projects are super secret, and they have a ton of them. I understand the need for a military, and I know that we are technically in a war right now, and have been for 96% of our history, but we spend way too much money on guns and tanks and planes rather than heckin highways.

murgatroid99

That's the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about almost 60 years ago

Memor-X

2:30 AM

@ToxicFrog that ice-cream licking has gotten from bad to "people are fucken stupid thanks to the internet" because there are copycats who seem to be doing it for the internet

not sure which is more of a mistake, the internet, social media or all the "celebrities" who come out of social media and makes everyone else think that they can post up stupid shit and get famous that way

Stormblessed

3:17 AM

Satire but funny:

> Media Urged Not To Release Names Of Any More Presidential Candidates In Effort To Prevent Copycats

@Nik3141 Certainly the room is liberal

@TimStone I didn't realize that you need approval to switch out lawyers, that's weird

Memor-X

4:10 AM

@Stormblessed copycats as in pandering the same message or copycats as in like Alec Baldwin being Trump

and also, probably should have asked this first, is that legit because it's the onion and i am starting to question if it's legit or news satire or just taken to an extreme for the laughs

badp

7:22 AM

How much salt should I costume this thread with

twitter.com/authcomdoomguy/status/1148390594575835136

GnomeSlice

10:21 AM

@Nik3141 🙄😅

@badp that's messed up

Nzall

@GnomeSlice I live in Belgium, I had heard a number of things about the Dutroux case including Spaghettigate, but not that there was a huge attempt at dropping things below the radar

Wipqozn

11:49 AM

'Where the hell is everybody?': N.S. man left locked inside liquor store beta.ctvnews.ca/national/canada/2019/7/8/1_4499663.html

Luckily he just got a good laugh out of it by the sounds of it.

GnomeSlice

12:18 PM

YouTube announces changes to copyright infringement system

> YouTube will now require copyright holders to put timestamps on alleged infringement and says it will revoke access to those who "repeatedly fail to provide accurate data."

Memor-X

@GnomeSlice this might be a good thing.....but it's youtube so can't hold our breath

but this might stop abuse of the DMCA system by shit devs?

and also it might mean Nintendo will stop acting like hard asses since they will need to do more workj

Nzall

12:55 PM

@Memor-X Actually, last I heard Nintendo has relaxed their rules for content creators

theverge.com/2018/11/28/18117172/…

Nzall

2:09 PM

Today in News that sounds like satire but isnt:

Man looks out aircraft window mid-flight and films the engine falling apart

Unionhawk

(the flight made an emergency landing at Raleigh-Durham with no injuries)

Tim Stone

Hmmmmmm now, it may just be me, BUT

I would personally just make up some blatantly untrue but semi-plausible reason for withdrawing the lawyers instead of checks notes telling the judge screw you we'll do what we want, basically

Unionhawk

delta is scheduled to retire their fleet of MD-88s by 2020, but until then, the particular aircraft involved in the incident has already been fitted with a replacement engine and is back in service today

Tim Stone

2:27 PM

Ben Garrison has been uninvited from that (still dumb) WH social media summit, lol

Nik3141

2:43 PM

If we naruto run, we can move faster than their bullets. Lets see them aliens.

New LOTR Series

Tim Stone

> The 4th Circuit has ordered the dismissal of DC and Maryland's emoluments clause case against Trump, finding they lack standing

Nik3141

I don't really know how I feel about that: I don't want it to become another Star Wars anything after 6: all hollywood insta action

GnomeSlice

FC has a pretty good and neutral report on the upcoming social media summit thing fastcompany.com/90373754/…

Memor-X

3:03 PM

@Nik3141 pretty sure Tolkien had a whole bunch of lore stuff in The Silmarillion but think it was mostly 1st Age stuff so not sure where they are getting their 2nd age stuff from

GnomeSlice

4:05 PM

Oh boy, here we go

@Unionhawk "who gives a shit" kinda rude mate sorry I was just trying to share something I thought the room might be interested in

And I don't know who saladman is

I don't have any opinion on Alexandria oca whatever personally, I can't even focus on local politics atm

Unionhawk

the congressional candidate at hand here, best known for such films as "pay some people to beat up a car and call it a social experiment"

GnomeSlice

Okay, thanks

Wipqozn

4:20 PM

> "I have officially filed my lawsuit against AOC for blocking me on Twitter," congressional candidate Joseph Saladino, one of the two men suing Ocasio-Cortez, tweeted on Wednesday. "Trump is not allowed to block people, will the standards apply equally? Stay tuned to find out!"

so there's a few things here.

Nik3141

I mean I'm probably the most liberal person you could find and I agree with that last statement.

Wipqozn

First off, part of the thing with Trump is how he uses Twitter. He's literally used it for declaring policy.

Nik3141

Just not the gloating in it

Yeah that is valid

Wipqozn

Second, he is president, so there's probably additional rules around what he can and can't do.

Nik3141

And yet again Tucker Carlson says something stupid

Wipqozn

4:22 PM

Third, I'd be curious to know what sort of behaviour lead to blocking. In Trumps case, part of it was he'd literally block people for just disagreeing with him, not just for harassing him. I'd be curious to know if these people were blocked for harassing behaviour.

But the first part is the most important. It's how Trump uses twitter that's made this twitter blocking a thing, from what I understand. Plus, well, he's got more power to actually make laws just by tweeting it. Which is uh, a thing.

Nik3141

True true, I assumed that they were doing normal dialogue stuff, but it's twitter so

Yeah its a little nuts that twitter is actually a medium for military dispatches now

This is a little less depressing:

JAXA's Hyabusa starts asteroid descent

This is fantastic for better efficiency processes but besides lowering consumer costs I doubt it will ever get down in a practical form to the everyday person.

Scientists are able to stop heat from spreading using moving metal rings

NASA plans to reallocate energy on Voyagers 1 & 2 to extend their lifetimes

My Minecraft is gonna be so fast on my quantum computer

Unionhawk

4:41 PM

@GnomeSlice You're welcome

GnomeSlice

5:13 PM

@Wipqozn I don't think anyone can make a law just by tweeting it, not even the Donald

I'll be interested to see how laws around social media use start to apply to people in the public eye

Seems like uncharted territory

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice He's definitely enacted policy via Twitter. The Trans military ban started that way.

GnomeSlice

Right.. But it still has to go through Congress doesn't it

Anyway I'm not trying to argue I wasn't trying to come across as for or against

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46963426

There are some things he can do without congress it seems?

Like veto power for example

Which might essentially be what this is

I'm sure @Unionhawk could speak more to it

@GnomeSlice Well I'mnot really arguing with you, I'm just pointing out the issues with the portion I quoted.

I mean ultimately it sounds like these people are just acting in bad faith anyways, as is often the case it seems

puzzlepiece87

"""often"""

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn it sounds to me like they want to test the new rules and see what happens. Probably just for the sake of it? I don't know either of them

Wipqozn

5:20 PM

@GnomeSlice That quote makes it very clear they have an anti-aoc agenda.

GnomeSlice

Well yeah probably

Wipqozn

Due to the phrasing and tone

GnomeSlice

I suspect a lot of the "can't block me Donnie" commenters have an anti Trump agenda. Everyone has an agenda now. Anyway, I'm still interested to see how this plays out. I bet we'll see more public people getting in hot water for blocking people before long

Unionhawk

I'm honestly kind of amazed the joey salads congressional campaign is still ongoing, I guess it was worth more content than I thought it would be

plus people have to call you "congressional candidate" and not "guy who does youtube pranks"

excuse me mr police i am no longer allowed to scream "DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEE" please help this is super important

Nik3141

I didn't even know who that was until just now

I'm glad I do though

Unionhawk

5:35 PM

"guy who does youtube pranks who decided that he could file for a congressional run in order to be called congressional candidate" is about the gist of it

not to be confused with "guy who thought becoming a UKIP MP candidate meant that he could finally and successfully evade his twitter ban" that's baked alaska

basically the same guy, but different

Nik3141

lol

GnomeSlice

5:53 PM

> To get at those crucial materials, in April an "impactor" was fired from Hayabusa2 towards Ryugu in a risky process that created a crater on the asteroid's surface and stirred up material that had not previously been exposed to the atmosphere

Atmosphere?

Is 1km ish large enough for an atmosphere? I doubt it

Hayabusa2 is cool project tho

(US) Admin announces changes to kidney care industry

GnomeSlice

6:08 PM

How Poppy Northcutt cracked the NASA boys club

Frank

@Wipqozn Yeah, it takes a ton of elected officials to override the President's veto.

Which...sorta makes sense, but makes me question what good they do when the prez can just go, "Don't like, veto."

Nik3141

Yeah probably a typo/mistake on the part of the publisher

No way it has an atmosphere @GnomeSlice

Nzall

6:36 PM

Chat, can I have your thoughts on whether you support a maximum voting age?

Hang on, sorry, wrong room

Tim Stone

@Unionhawk That classic Pissing in Your Own Mouth conservative caucus

> "Times have changed," says @SecretaryAcosta. "Facts are important and facts are being overlooked."

"You see, back then rich people got away with everything, now they only get away with most things. What was I to do??"

GnomeSlice

@Nzall absolutely not

Nzall

@GnomeSlice Absolutely not as in "I absolutely don't support that" or "you absolutely can't ask taht here"?

GnomeSlice

I don't support that

Might as well this is just a politics room anyway

Nik3141

I'm not so sure

Nzall

6:44 PM

@GnomeSlice Why not?

Tim Stone

> NEW PROJECTIONS show Mississippi River will rise to top of lowest New Orleans levees (20 feet) as possible hurricane (Barry) nears, experts say

GnomeSlice

I just don't see why seniors should lose the right to vote and participate in their country's future. They also have a lot more life experience than someone like me

I mean there's probably a case to be made for people with dementia, etc

Nik3141

I think that as people get older, they do sometimes make bad decisions, or are not completely in control of their mental faculties. However, I saw a ted talk about a man who pretended to be mentally ill to avoid prison and then was locked up for 25? years because he couldn't convince anyone he wasn't insane. I don't want to prevent people just because of their age, but I do think some people shouldn't be able to vote.

I also don't want to infringe on anyone's rights like that so...

@GnomeSlice And of course there is that fact that old people have a lot of life experience.

Nzall

@GnomeSlice I'm not talking about 65 years old or something like that. I'm talking about way older, like 80+. i'm personally somewhat in favor, purely on the idea that the future of a nation should be decided by those who are going to live in it

Nik3141

That TED talk is really really good btw

And that is true

I can't even vote yet and so I'm so screwed when it comes to climate change and things like that

Frank

6:49 PM

@Nzall Why?

Nzall

Okay, how about this? plural scaling vote: during a vote, the youngest voters have their vote count for a certain amount more, and this amount scales down with your age, ending at a 1:1 ratio at the estimated average lifespan on January 1st on the year of elections

Frank

What arguments are there to take away senior's ability to make their preferences in politics known?

Especially as the people in politics are likely the same age as them.

Nik3141

The only one is that they may not be thinking of the future in their decisions.

Frank

Sure, that's fair.

SaintWacko

@Frank Which would probably not be the case if their votes didn't count as much

Frank

6:51 PM

Is it fair to take away their voice because of that?

@SaintWacko That's a good point. I wonder how that would play out, though?

Nzall

@Frank What's your opinion on scaling plural vote?

Frank

@Nzall At first glance, I don't like it.

It's still minimizing the voice of those who've been around longest.

Nzall

Where younger people who will be affected by the outcome of the election at a far greater scale have more impact on the result

Nik3141

I think, unfortunately, that a max age for voting just couldn't work and go with the ideals of the country. Even if we think that generically very old people have a higher propensity for bad decisions, it is still unjustified.

Frank

It's a reversal of revering elder's wisdom.

Granted, there's a ton of old people that make stupid decisions.

But that's painting with an awful broad brush.

Nzall

6:54 PM

@Frank counterpoint: the elder's wisdom tends to be formed based on their life experiences, which makes it a lot slower to change. This in turn makes the political machine slower at reacting at events

Nik3141

That is true, but sometimes we don't want it to go too fast

for example, iraq war

Frank

@Nzall I don't buy that younger people make better decisions.

Nzall

Look at all the older politicians who struggle to understand the current problems with social media, lootboxes,...

Frank

If anything, I'd argue that young adults are the likeliest to make stupid, short term decisions.

SaintWacko

@Frank Maybe not, but it's the young people who actually have to live with those decisions

Frank

6:57 PM

@Nzall That's a product of our time; the internet has accelerated change, social, political, etc., hugely.

Yes, they struggle to understand, but I'd have a hard time seeing how that means their voice should be meaningless.

Nik3141

I agree that young adults make awful decisions, but I think that can be said about every age group. Also, people in general are growing up a lot more slowly and spending more time in school getting educated.

Nzall

@Frank I didn't say younger people make better decisions. I feel like they make equally valid decisions based on their experiences, but older people tend to be very slow in making their decisions, where we sometimes need a fast response

Frank

@Nzall Older people take longer because they have so much more experience to weigh the pros and cons.

Nik3141

true

Frank

That's not to say they'll entirely understand the issue, but I don't think the answer is to silence them.

If anything, I would argue that we need to educate the politicians, and hold them accountable for their understanding.

Like ~~any~~ most? regulated fields; require a minimum number of hours of upgrading each year.

SaintWacko

7:00 PM

@Frank See, I'd support that

Frank

There was a judge that was overseeing a code copyright case, and taught himself Java so he would understand what they were talking about.

Nzall

@Frank Yeah, William Alsup

Frank

There's still an issue when it comes to long term decisions with consequences they'll never have to deal with.

Someone once floated an idea that any law a politican passes, they have to deal with the consequences of.

SaintWacko

@Frank How would you do that, though?

Frank

ie. passing a law negating overtime for fast food workers would require them to work at a fast food joint for a period of time after passing it.

SaintWacko

7:05 PM

For laws with long term effects, would you only let younger members vote on it?

For laws concerning the internet, would you have to show a proficiency with and certain level of use of the internet?

@Frank And this wouldn't matter for all the wealthy politicians, unless you took away their wealth during that period. Which would never happen

Frank

@SaintWacko Well, working 70 hours a week and needing to get up before dawn might give them something to think about.

It's a thorny problem.

I'm not sure how we can force understanding, but I don't think the answer is to silence them.

Unionhawk

@TimStone god, I don't even know if this one is real but it tracks well enough with other nonsense he has done on youtube dot com

Tim Stone

As far as I can tell it's at least real in the sense that was probably him and that was what it was meant to look like but as you can imagine I did not do a deep dive on this one

Unionhawk

imagine getting clowned on by h3h3 of all the brain geniuses on that website too

SaintWacko

@Frank We've got a lot of those right now

Frank

7:16 PM

@SaintWacko Yeah. There's no easy answers, either.

I'd be a proponent of massively upgrading conflict of interest laws, and bring the hammer down on any politician that violates them even a little.

That, by itself, would likely shake up the entire political landscape.

SaintWacko

@Frank That I could get behind

Of course, if you have one party that's completely uninterested in enforcing said laws, it gets tricky

Frank

Or demanding a level of integrity from lawmakers (and cops!) above that of regular citizens, and getting ousted when they break them.

Anyways, I'm just spitballing about potential solutions.

Good discussion, though.

Tim Stone

8:09 PM

France is going to try and tax big tech apparently? So we might do tariffs again, in the most predictable follow up ever

The President doesn't even like most of these companies and they avoid paying taxes to pretty much everyone and would likely be 100% fine if they had to start paying something so this definitely makes sense

Nik3141

8:21 PM

I wish El Presidento would just focus on the important issues right now rather than some tax some other country is putting on some international company.

The 48 hours we almost didn't have Trump as pres

Unionhawk

all these companies keep all of their money in delaware, ireland, the netherlands, and the cayman islands anyway

like, legally

is france trying to tie down illicit but legal outflows?

Tim Stone

> France’s proposed 3% levy would hit global tech companies with at least 750 million euros ($845 million) in worldwide revenue and digital sales totaling 25 million euros in France.

Unionhawk

It's always super fun to try and nail down a company that claims to technically not have a headquarters

even though it clearly has a headquarters in mountain view ca or whatever

Frank

Maybe classify headquarters as building with most number of employees.

Or, if they try to skirt that with fluctuating numbers, the building the CEO resides closest to.

Nzall

8:49 PM

@Frank And then the CEO relocates to the building next to the PO box in Cologne

Frank

@Nzall Building defined as having two more staff.

So it can't just be the boss by himself.

Nzall

@Frank Then they put 2 local sales representatives there or however many it needs to meet your criteria

Frank

The idea is to make trying to avoid taxes too much trouble to make it worthwhile.

We shouldn't have to force corporations to participate in good faith.

Nik3141

9:07 PM

What do you think of an exponential wealth tax?

Frank

More or less useless.

It just motivates wealthy people to hide it.

And actively hinders anyone attempting to further themselves to cross that, "wealthy" threshold.

murgatroid99

9:48 PM

Arguably there's no real social benefit to having people try to make money past that threshold

Nik3141

Yeah honestly once you have 10 million in assets you have enough money to not have any problems.

What about an exponential income tax?

murgatroid99

Plus, at that level of wealth, gathering more wealth comes primarily from investing or otherwise using resources to accumulate more resources, rather than from furthering yourself in any meaningful way

@Nik3141 how would that be different from what we currently have?

I guess endless increasing tax brackets?

puzzlepiece87

@Frank Reminds me of when people used to say deplatforming was more or less useless. Didn't end up being that way in practice.

murgatroid99

You'd probably need to also do that to long-term capital gains tax brackets to meaningfully impact the ultra-rich

@Frank But then that would be tax fraud, which is a crime. You could just say that the ultra-rich are essentially immune to the law, but then the whole exercise is moot.

Nik3141

@murgatroid99 This is what we have now

Let's say you make 500,000 a year, the highest bracket. You pay 37% income tax.

Let's say you make 2,000,000 a year, also in the highest bracket. You also pay 37% income tax.

murgatroid99

10:03 PM

So, yes to endlessly increasing tax brackets?

Nik3141

Let's say you make 10,000,000 a year, also in the highest bracket. You also pay 37% income tax.

No

Up to a point

How much money a year would you have to make for a 75% tax to be very comfortable?

I would say that it should exponentially increase to 10,000,000.

Above that is also 75%.

murgatroid99

@Nik3141 I mean, once you hit 10M, you should be comfortable with a 99% marginal rate

Nik3141

Yeah I just didn't want to be too extreme

Personally I would argue for a tax rate that increases so that your annual gross income (as your net increases) has a limit of $400,000.

murgatroid99

@Nik3141 That's not how marginal tax rates work

Nik3141

So no one can become uber wealthy.

That's just how I envision the perfect tax system

Well

A better one than the one we have now

murgatroid99

10:08 PM

In that case, you should support a 100% marginal tax rate above 1M or so

Tim Stone

> Former Palm Beach State Attorney Barry Krischer says in a statement that Alex Acosta is "completely wrong." He says a 53 page federal indictment "was abandoned after secret negotiations between Mr. Epstein’s lawyers and Mr. Acosta.

murgatroid99

I'm not entirely sure if we've been having this conversation from a shared context. A marginal tax rate of X% at $Y means that all income above the first $Y of gross income are taxed at a rate of X%.

Tim Stone

> Fed Chair Powell says Facebook's plan to build a digital currency "cannot go forward" until serious concerns are addressed

The judge in the Maryland census case has now also blocked the DoJ from replacing its attorneys

Frank

@puzzlepiece87 Eh. I'm of two minds on that one. It feels too much like silencing someone you don't agree with.

Tim Stone

@TimStone This district doesn't have the same rule, the judge is just concerned about continuity issues and has said he's inclined to permit it eventually provided DoJ provides some level of assurance

Unionhawk

10:19 PM

Honestly we mostly need to hire like 10k irs people to put the microscope on the rich lol

That's their only job, to figure out exactly how all of these guys are tax cheats probably

Other than by claiming that marginal rates are absolute rates that just apply based on what threshold you pass

Convincing hundreds of upper middle managers that they'll actually lose money when their income goes above 400k eventually

Frank

@murgatroid99 Well, it's already tax fraud. Doesn't stop people from doing it anyways.

I dunno about the US, but up here in Canada, if you have enough money to lawyer up, the CRA (our version of the IRS) folds like a cheap tent.

Nik3141

@murgatroid99 yeah so if you make 100k with a marginal rate of 10% at 50k (let's say that is the lowest bracket) then you pay 5k in taxes

Frank

Which just continues the perception that those with the money are immune to the rules the rest of us plebes have to deal with.

Unionhawk

Instead of paying 2 dudes to stand at the subway chokepoint looking for people trying to save $3, make public transit fully tax funded and pay 2 dudes to look for thousands of dollars in tax crimes

murgatroid99

@Frank My point is that "people will commit tax fraud" is not a reasonable argument against any particular tax policy. Either they get prosecuted for tax fraud, and the problem is solved, or they don't, and it doesn't matter what the tax policy was because they're not paying anyway.

Nik3141

10:23 PM

My proposal wasn't a marginal tax rate anyways but a new unnamed one

Tim Stone

I have watched the Bagelboss incident videos and my life is not better for this

Nik3141

I assume it's unnamed because I came up with it an hour ago

Frank

@murgatroid99 I feel like it has deeper implications than just dismissing it out of hand.

It's natural to want to reduce your tax burden.

It takes something outside of, "You made money, so give us some" to convince people to pitch in. They have to feel like it benefits them to do so.

murgatroid99

Are you saying that the problem is that the government isn't spending the tax money well?

Frank

I think it's a fair assessment that most people are of that opinion.

And there obviously is a benefit; schools, roads, police, etc., and those are taken for granted far too much.

Unionhawk

10:31 PM

I mean tbf that is probably also true I just don't think it's the issue

murgatroid99

Right, people aren't committing tax fraud because they disagree with government appropriations, they're committing tax fraud because they want to keep more money.

The richest people should never be getting the most benefit from government spending anyway, because they have the resources to do themselves what other people need government assistance for.

Nik3141

@Frank You know people do take those things way too much for granted.

That's why we need the purge

Also, I think most people, when looking at actual government budget figures, can agree that we spend too much on the military and not enough on schools, infrastructure, and healthcare

and environmental incentives

Memor-X

10:46 PM

Court rules that Trump can't block critics from seeing his twitter feed....again

Trump is notoriously tweet-happy and has indicated that information disseminated through his account should be taken as official political government announcements.

A panel of three judges concluded in their ruling on Tuesday:

“The First Amendment does not permit a public official who utilises a social media account for all manner of official purposes to exclude persons from an otherwise-open dialogue because they expressed views with which the official disagrees.”

Frank

@murgatroid99 True, but I think there's merit to updating the messaging.

Give people a sense of helping out, appeal to their sense of belonging.

I know I'm going to be much easier to convince to spend money to help out those things I feel a part of.

Tim Stone

> Five armed Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps boats in the Persian Gulf Wednesday unsuccessfully tried to seize a British oil tanker according to two US officials with direct knowledge of the incident

Well, they angrily told them to dock the boat, at least

Presumably in response to the UK seizing an Iranian tanker the other day

Nik3141

11:02 PM

This whole Iran thing is ridiculous

Its sortof the same situation as Cuba was

Or Japan with Commodore Perry

the US tries to push someone around and they say no, and get lots of sanctions. Then, their economy drops and they start doing stuff like that

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