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BESW

8:07 AM

@Derpy ...wait, I could charge?

trogdor

money!

XD

$$$$$$$

Derpy

@BESW well, I basically used you as a text reviewer there....

so either I should pay you for the service, or you should pay me for the damage since the question was badly received :P

(^ note: Obviously I am joking and I think that is pretty evident but... just in case)

(to be fair, I am quite happy with the result since it showed me how different I think from many other Meta users)

On an unrelated notice, it seems Tails of Equestria (also known as Fate With Ponies) was recently localized in my country. I could actually try to get a copy if the opportunity shows up.

vicky_molokh

8:26 AM

@Derpy Elaborate?

@Derpy Depending on the country, I may know a person who might be interested.

Derpy

@vicky_molokh I think it was simply ported to Europe, so it is probably now available in most of the main languages there.

@vicky_molokh I can if you are interested, but maybe it is better if we move to the other room. Short version: apparently some words that to me appear to be quite ill-chosen at best are actually not a big problem for many other users. So either my "be nice" standards are "too high" for what the community is ready for or I have a problem and I am trying to forcefully be "too much nice" to the point I see rudeness even when there is no friendship problem to be worried about.

Either way, I know that I will have to act differently now.

V2Blast

10:00 AM

War of the Spark Official Trailer – Magic: The Gathering

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well, this is certainly the last place I expected to hear a Linkin Park song cover

BESW

10:19 AM

@V2Blast Quite likely! But there's also this, if it helps:

TableTop: Wil Wheaton Plays FATE CORE w/ Felicia Day, John Rogers, & Ryan Macklin

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Generalized rules of copyright in tabletop spaces thread: -Game mechanics are not trademarks or copyrights and they can't be (thanks MtG for proving that by trying to trademark "tap" back in the day). -Setting information, characters, logos and brands ARE. Do not touch.

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trogdor

@BESW I "think" I watched this and they got a couple rules wrong, but it's mostly good?

BESW

I've linked it a lot, you probably have.

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Sdjz

@BESW 12 times now :)

BESW

It's useful!

trogdor

it is

I do think the owlbear they use to correct themselves shows up for the few little inaccuracies they use

but even if not I think it wasn't a huge deal

BESW

10:29 AM

Hmm.

trogdor

I think at worst they explained the rules properly and did one or two things wrong in the heat of the game

if this is the one I remember

BESW

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BESW

10:38 AM

Of course.

trogdor

lol

BESW

@vicky_molokh I don't want to seem like I'm picking on you by going back to this, but I realized that we'd been talking at cross-purposes: belief and doubt aspects don't take away personal characterization, because they're beliefs and doubts: you have them even when you're not around people who share or oppose them.

And you have total freedom to come up with whatever beliefs or doubts your character would have, within the confines of either (a) it's shared by someone else and (b) it grinds against someone else. This is not making bonds between characters deeper at the expense of the characters themselves. It is creating the characters themselves in a way that adds value when other characters are present, without subtracting value when the characters are alone.

vicky_molokh

I don't feel picked on, don't worry. And thanks for elaborating.

I made another assumption which may be missing the mark in this context.

BESW

Put it this way: if you looked at a character with belief and doubt aspects independently, you probably wouldn't notice that they're designed to hook into the rest of the party. But if you put two characters together, you'll see the synergy.

vicky_molokh

@BESW Yeah, I probably overestimated the amount of 'this is about the other character'-ness in such Aspects based on an incomplete understanding of your description.

BESW

10:50 AM

(Contrast Masters of Umdaar, which dedicates one aspect to describing your relationship with another character in the party, specifically and by name.)

So it sort of boggled my mind that I was proposing something less tied to specific other characters and you were objecting on the grounds that it was eating up aspect slots for lonely development.

vicky_molokh

I've messed up yet another conversation. I apologise.

BESW

To the point that I didn't even notice that was what was actually going on.

It's okay. But I think you might want to sit with the idea that if all we have to say is "I disagree," it's often better to listen more before speaking up.

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vicky_molokh

I indeed somehow misinterpreted those Aspects as being more externally-focused, not less. And that went downhill from there.

BESW

And you're right that a lot of Fate concepts can be floated to other systems pretty easily; that's the nature of the beast. But I prefer to work within a system at first rather than start from scratch; that way if I do need to invent something from whole cloth, I've already thought carefully about the needs of the idea AND I've learned something important about implementation because I know why a particular system doesn't work.

So I always start with an existing system I'm moderately familiar with which seems like an approximate fit.

linksassin

11:05 AM

Anyone have any advice on how to deal with the "D&D magic should follow the laws of physics" argument more succinctly? Had a thread on my answer and it would be good if there was a nice meta or something I could link to to quickly shut that kind of conversation down. It seems to come up a lot

vicky_molokh

My reasoning for not making those into Aspects is not even about sharing the benefits to other systems, so much as not seeing much benefit to systemifying (Aspectifying) PC-PC relationships, much in how many people prefer not to systemify roleplaying in general. I maybe coming from a different perspective than you and thus not coming to the same conclusions.

(Not seeing. Edited.)

BESW

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Feb 9 '16 at 22:57, by BESW

So, to come back to your original question: Arguments from real-world physics are only unassailable in games which explicitly prioritise real-world physics. They're defensible but arguable in games which don't give any indication either way, and in games that actively defy real-world physics, arguments rooted in those laws are about as helpful as oysters to a panda.

linksassin

@BESW Your ability to find things like that so quickly astounds me. I know you wrote it but I don't think I could find anything I wrote 6 months ago that quickly and I don't have anywhere near the amount of content you do

BESW

Jul 19 '15 at 2:04, by BESW

An RPG that was able to simulate physics accurately in every potential scenario would need to draw on a better understanding of the world than humanity currently has, and it would take a very long time for actions to resolve.

@linksassin It's pretty simple.

linksassin

@BESW It may be, but knowing where to search for that sort of thing and remembering that it exists is impressive.

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BESW

Thank you, but I don't remember. I just searched a keyword that seemed like it would bring up some useful stuff, because I know I've usually already said things about certain topics and would like to see what I've said before I open my mouth again.

(Especially on D&D and physics. Whoo boy that's a topic.)

Apr 2 '13 at 2:56, by Brian Ballsun-Stanton

@BESW I suggest an annual Don't mention Monks, Vow of Poverty, or physics... year.

Derpy

@BESW .... a very long time for action to resolve....

Were you speaking about Rolemaster :P?

Also know as "Tables, Tables and more Tables"?

BESW

Also, this "does a cold spell freeze water" sort of things are where a game like Lady Blackbird or Fate would come into its own as a narrative-driven engine.

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A: How to avoid arguments with a player about what "should" happen?

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linksassin

@BESW I'll come back and look at it in 250 rep. Almost at the 10k barrier

BESW

Almost grats!

I remember being fascinated by all the "how do rules interact with experience-based expectations" interplay in games like D&D.

Feb 9 '16 at 22:49, by BESW

I'm personally much happier now that I'm aware of the rules-first bubble and can choose consciously to spend most of my game time outside of it.

kviiri

11:34 AM

We were just discussing Dungeon World, elsewhere, and I noted with somber realization that it's still too DnD to my taste :(

BESW

@kviiri Yuuuup. It's got different mechanics but the underlying principles of setting/tone/theme are deliberately preserved --diegetically and non-diegetically-- which means no amount of "be a fan of your players" is gonna override its essential D&Dness.

What's too D&D for you about it, if I may ask?

kviiri

@BESW That's going to be a tough one to answer. I think overall it has to do with the fact that by trying to look and feel like DnD, it winds up pushing towards the same kinds of stories and resolutions DnD does.

...and that's a shame, because the one thing I really like about DnD (in addition to having deep piles of monster lore and generally good art in 5e) is building and playing encounters in the combat engine --- which DW lacks.

I mean, I guess what I'd want of Dungeon World is a high fantasy adventuring game. But it feels more like a DnD adventuring game --- a certain related genre, but not quite the same.

BESW

11:49 AM

Hmmm interesting.

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