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9:28 AM
"there's the recent news that Boeing is changing some piece of flight software in response to the recent crash" sure, but to me that's basically inviting speculation
and I don't see how that helps answering the question
 
 
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1:29 PM
whoa, also Australia and UK are closing their airspace to the 737Max
> The UK Civil Aviation Authority has been closely monitoring the situation, however, as we do not currently have sufficient information from the flight data recorder we have, as a precautionary measure, issued instructions to stop any commercial passenger flights from any operator arriving, departing or overflying UK airspace
 
wow
it's a bit odd considering the FAA hasn't put out an AD for it
 
there are currently 3 airborne 737Max flying towards the UK : BY485, TK1969, TK1997. what are they going to do?
well, the panic is spreading, and you might want to be seen doing something, AD or no AD
 
according to Aviation Herald, China has told its airlines to stop using it, but hasn't banned it from the airspace
 
no, China has not closed the airspace
the list is long:
 
it's a breakdown in the usual procedures
 
1:45 PM
you also usually don't get two full hull losses so soon after first flight of an aircraft model
and so similar to indicate a common cause
I understand the call for cool heads to prevail and to let the investigators do their jobs
but for once I would not feel at ease to jump on an aircraft of that model until the investigation is complete and a fix is found
 
 
1 hour later…
3:12 PM
ok, got an answer for the 3 B737M flying before: BY485 got to land in Manchester, while the Turkish airline flights had to go back to Istanbul.
> Following the decision by the relevant aviation regulatory bodies to temporarily suspend operations of Boeing 737 MAX, Norwegian will not operate any flights with this aircraft type until further notice
did EASA said anything? what decision is referenced here?
or is the CAAUK?
oh, also Germany has closed the airspace to the 737M
and France
and looking Boeing/FAA arguing "the planes are safe" reminds me of this:
 
 
3 hours later…
6:26 PM
@ymb1 my intention was not to make you clear the comments, but to get help in finding the source of the image, that could have helped in answering the other question
 
@Federico indeed, thanks for the info. the AVH graphic needs a scale though
@Federico i understand, I just don't know how to properly attribute an image one can't directly link to, I can right click view image the google result, instead of going to the link, but it's a mess, I found a similar image, same airport, and also updated the linked question
 
ok, thanks for the edits :)
 
the front fell off is a classic, reminds me of all politicians
@DeepSpace I wouldn't know how to determine that from those figures, since the numbers are given w.r.t. something that changed for sure (the fuselage is longer, so the nose is further ahead) and the outlines are not required to be exactly to scale, I think. — Federico ♦ yesterday
@Federico Max 8 and -800 have same fuselage, so the apt planning manual helps in the "by how much fwd", you can use the engine/ground clearance + the different max engine widths to arrive at an estimate for how high too, not accurate, but gives an idea I guess -- anyway you beat me to it, I was planning to ask on the aero interactions, something doesn't sound right in this early explanation (I looked into the prelim report, MCAS is not officially mentioned)
 
 
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8:20 PM
ok, EASA moved
> On March 12th 2019 at about 17:38Z the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) closed the airspace across Europe for any Boeing MAX operation reasoning: "Following the tragic accident of Ethiopian Airlines flight ET302 involving a Boeing 737 MAX 8, the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) is taking every step necessary to ensure the safety of passengers.
> As a precautionary measure, EASA has published today an Airworthiness Directive, effective as of 19:00 UTC, suspending all flight operations of all Boeing Model 737-8 MAX and 737-9 MAX aeroplanes in Europe. In addition EASA has published a Safety Directive, effective as of 19:00 UTC, suspending all commercial flights performed by third-country operators into, within or out of the EU of the above mentioned models
from AVH
@ymb1 uh, which preliminary report? the Indonesia one, I guess?
anyway, the thing with the airport planning manual is that it does not give me what I want, since I am looking the change w.r.t. the neutral point, and that point is of no interest to that manual
 
affirm, the lion air one, I'm writing the question I had in mind as we speak
yep, hence my comment here
 
9:25 PM
I've protected this aviation.stackexchange.com/q/60969/14897 I'm posting here in case someone has a different opinion (let me know), IMO it has started to attract low-quality comment like answers
 

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