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RegDwigнt

12:02 AM

Well my machine is chugging on something. Rather than doing the reboot dance, I might as well go off for tonight.

Toddles.

Cerberus

12:17 AM

Sleep tight.

tchrist

1:33 AM

@Robusto Haven't we all played that one at some point or another?

Robusto

2:20 AM

@tchrist I suspect so. It was one of the first pieces I learned when I graduated from those watered-down collections of Famous Single-Movements by Famous Composers. I think it was after I started the Bach Two-Part Inventions.

tchrist

Yeah, that sound about the right time-frame.

@Cerberus Like all good things that are true, losing one’s virginity is said to be a threefold affair.

More holy trinities there are than are dreamt of in catechism class.

I may have spelt that one wrong.

Robusto

Nope. It's definitely t-h-a-t o-n-e.

tchrist

sanctus

heilig

Robusto

2:41 AM

@RegDwigнt: Speaking of Stravinsky:

Stravinsky and his Harmony

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Some interesting bits about his tone clusters in parallel movement. Of course, he also did that kind of parallelism with ordinary 6-4 chords over a constant bass, as in the coda of The Firebird.

鳳

Cerberus

2:56 AM

@Robusto Yeah, I like that one.

Quite a lot going on.

And a bit of drama, too.

What's your favourite Mozart piece?

My favourite is his sonatas in minor.

Okay, that's not one piece.

I don't know the number.

Robusto

Haha, listening to that coda again, I realize it is parallel to the way a Neapolitan 6th resolves to V-I.

Cerberus

@tchrist Why threefold?

I think Mary never lost her virginity?

Oh, I suck at Christian mythology.

It fails to capture the imagination.

tchrist

@Cerberus Holey trinity of treble virginity.

Robusto

@Cerberus Wallace Stevens felt the same way‌.

I mean, exactly.

tchrist

It's low humor. One might even say that it's beneath you, O three-headed dog.

There are three ways to lose your virginity. Also another three.

And then one final three

At which point you will surely be not merely exhausted but likely not a little bit sore.

Jacob

3:08 AM

Hello

tchrist

Olleh

Drink life to the lees. But shower afterwards.

Cerberus

@Robusto That's nice. Although the Old-Testament Christian god is quite the expressive daemon!

Jacob

is this for ELL?

this chat room*

tchrist

No, actually.

They've their own.

I don't know how active it is of late

Robusto

@Cerberus THe shoe fits.

Jacob

3:14 AM

how can I close on hold Questions or Questions that got answered?

Cerberus

But the poem began by contrasting the subdued, almost abstract Christian stuff with Jupiter's expressive wonders.

tchrist

If they are on hold, they are already closed.

If they are still open you can vote or flag to close.

Jacob

I meant this put on hold as off-topic

tchrist

Which question?

Jacob

almost all my Questions on ELL are put on hold :/

Robusto

3:18 AM

@Cerberus Yes, but also with natural beauty. And a secular appreciation of the world.

Cerberus

Yes.

Jacob

for Example

Are contractions and/or slang used in English exams and tests?

tchrist

@Jacob Then you should either go to ELL meta or this chat to ask about it.

Cerberus

I merely commented on the non-mythological portrayal of Christianity in the poem.

Jacob

is already answered

Robusto

3:20 AM

@Cerberus And an appreciation that death is the final arbiter of beauty. Which reminds us that life is to be lived, not endured for the sake of some pie-in-the-sky fantasy.

Jacob

what happen xD

Cerberus

Yeah, I got that.

Jacob

when you typed my name the chat just jumped lol

Robusto

> Death is the mother of beauty, mystical,
Within whose burning bosom we devise
Our earthly mothers waiting, sleeplessly.

Cerberus

I must admit, though, that at first it did not occur to me that she would otherwise have gone to church on a Sunday.

Robusto

3:21 AM

But eventually it did.

> She says, “But in contentment I still feel
The need of some imperishable bliss.”
Death is the mother of beauty; hence from her,
Alone, shall come fulfilment to our dreams
And our desires.

tchrist

@Jacob I'd've twenty-three skidood that one before its flivver had cooled its jets, doncha know

Jacob

thanks @tchrist :)

Robusto

Here's the nub:

Cerberus

I do feel, though, that the yearning for...for the world to make sense is a residue of Christianity.

Robusto

> Why should she give her bounty to the dead?
What is divinity if it can come
Only in silent shadows and in dreams?
Shall she not find in comforts of the sun,
In pungent fruit and bright, green wings, or else
In any balm or beauty of the earth,
Things to be cherished like the thought of heaven?

@Cerberus Not sense, but sensuousness.

tchrist

3:24 AM

@Robusto Did you give your father a Catholic funeral at the parish church?

Robusto

@tchrist No. We had a small service in a Protestant cemetery.

Cerberus

@Robusto I meant sense: death is there for a Reason, etc.

Robusto

He was not the Catholic, my mother was.

tchrist

Thank you.

Robusto

@Cerberus I think that's outside of what he addresses in the poem.

tchrist

3:29 AM

@Cerberus For many reasons, some related to flexibility of species, but the reaper at the end of it all we call the second law of thermodynamics.

Robusto

She hears, upon that water without sound,
A voice that cries, “The tomb in Palestine
Is not the porch of spirits lingering.
It is the grave of Jesus, where he lay.”
We live in an old chaos of the sun,
Or old dependency of day and night,
Or island solitude, unsponsored, free,
Of that wide water, inescapable.
Deer walk upon our mountains, and the quail
Whistle about us their spontaneous cries;
Sweet berries ripen in the wilderness;
And, in the isolation of the sky,
At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make

I keep trying to describe this, but the words speak for themselves.

Cerberus

I have read it.

I did not mean to say that was the main point.

tchrist

Eschatology and Genesis

A play by Dr Talos.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yes, I know. What I'm trying to suggest is I want you see how we always go from her regarding the ancient myths and then moving inexorably to the things of actual life?

Life that is only life because death is death.

Robusto

3:58 AM

@Cerberus Anyway, I'm not putting you down. I just get so excited by this poem that I'm trying to rush you along through it, get you to see it through my eyes. Sorry, perhaps my exuberance can be unseemly at times.

Cerberus

@Robusto Oh, don't worry.

It is a noble poem.

KannE

4:13 AM

Why would someone go to the trouble of explaining do...then turn around and suggest to another that something (anything else) is more of an ELL issue. I guess I'm a do master; I forgot.

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7:48 AM

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Tonepoet

@tchrist Is it just me or is bolding too bold now? I swear that it looks like I'm using an inline header 3 tag when I try to use it in an answer now.

Hi Sumelic, how are you?

Tonepoet

8:45 AM

I'm having a bad case of edititis and illiteracy. v_v...

Jesse

9:20 AM

Hi there :)

so this question over on IPS is giving me some trouble interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/20022/…?

im 90% sure its a fit for ELU, could someone confirm for me?

the way I read it, the user is asking "what is the word for _description_?"

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10:40 AM

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Tonepoet

12:29 PM

@Jesse We handle phrase-requests so it is within scope, but in its present form I think that question would be closed and hence automatically sent back to I.P.S. if it was migrated. All questions require a minimal amount of cursory research (any), Word and Phrase requests specifically require an exemplary sentence, and the formatting makes it hard to determine what the question is at a glance.

Also many people think word and phrase requests are automatically Primarily Opinion Based, so the "That's your opinion" example may excite some Primarily Opinion Based closure votes, despite being a good example.

You should also keep in mind that cross-posting is against network rules, so if you want it moved here, you'll need to flag it for moderator attention.

Then again, although we handle word and phrase requests, I don't know if we handle "concept" requests.

But if he's looking for what to call his idea, then principally speaking we do that.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto yeah I saw that one, I follow this Bruce composer guy everywhere.

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Q: Is "Bombardier" a good name for a Bomberman-inspired game

We are in the process of developing a new game that is partially inspired by the famous Bomberman series Needless to say it uses mainly explosives, such as bombs, TNT, etc. We are trying to figure out a unique name that will be well-received by the native English speaking communities. Therefor...

No, that's a name of a railway car manufacturer.

Tonepoet

12:45 PM

@RegDwigнt Looks like an off-topic naming question.

RegDwigнt

1:05 PM

> “I will keep coding until buys Porsche 911 GT3 RS.” [on hold]

That's the most pathetic sentence I read all week.

Also, why do people keep wording their titles "What does it mean by the word X in the sentence Y". Why not just "What does X mean in Y".

Who is the "it". And why do they feel the need to inform us that the word X is actually a word and the sentence Y is a sentence.

RegDwigнt

1:23 PM

BTW @Rob for the sake of completeness here's another interesting one I bumped into last year:

Robin O'Neill, Principal Bassoon, on The Rite of Spring | Stravinsky: Myths&Rituals

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Will Hunting

2:37 PM

@Jacob The ELL chat room is 24938, called Language Overflow. =)

Robusto

5:04 PM

@RegDwigнt Nice. Taking him one step further, I think Stravinsky was one of the three top masters of orchestration, maybe even the best. The others were Richard Strauss and, of course, Maurice Ravel. I give Igor top marks because his orchestrations were always surprising and a tad outré yet totally apt. Accented (what's the musical direction for spitzig in English? I can't think of it just now) flute half notes doubled by pizzicato cellos? Brilliant.

Btw, I recall a story, possibly apocryphal, about some composer (Wagner?) who wrote a piece that contained a passage for brass that was supposed to sound like chaos because the notes were "impossible" to play. And yet the musicians worked hard and played them flawlessly, as professional orchestral musicians are wont to do. The composer attended the rehearsal and when it came to that passage he ran down the aisle shouting "Stop! You're playing the notes!"

Wish I could remember who that was and what piece.

RegDwigнt

5:22 PM

Yeah probably apocryphal.

It's up right there with that other one where the conductor urges the timpani player to play softer and softer and softer. Until the percussionist just gives up and doesn't play at all, and the conductor goes yes! finally! excellent! though just a tad softer still would be even better!

In other news, that guy with the contrapoint analysis we watched yesterday, turns out he also has a video on Stravinsky.

Gangnam Style: Stravinsky

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And he also has one on Haydn that I watched and now I finally remember who Haydn was.

3 Hilarious Examples of Rhythmic Ingenuity in Lesser-known Haydn Symphonies

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But I must run errands now. BBL.

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Robusto

@RegDwigнt The response "zomg" was invented for situations like this.

Will Hunting

@RegDwigнt I have no idea why Gangnam Style is funny. I find it not funny at all, lol.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt You should look at this:

Composition Tutorial: The Musical Transition (Part 1)

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Will Hunting

5:37 PM

@RegDwigнt Yes, I also watched Silence of the Lambs and Zodiac. They are also very sad movies, lol.

Robusto

And Part 2:

Composition Tutorial: The Musical Transition (Part 2)

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Will Hunting

YouTube is like Wikipedia. You can learn just about anything from it instead of traditional books.

Anyway, I was trying to understand the meaning of populism.

I looked up Merriam-Webster and Collins, but I didn't understand from their definitions.

Then I looked up Oxford and American Heritage, and I think I understood more.

But then again, maybe the definitions that helped me understand more are the wrong ones, who knows, since they may introduce wrong things.

The first group of definitions did not mention anything about the elite, bit the second group did.

For now, I am going with the second group. =)

RegDwigнt

7:13 PM

@Robusto yes I saw both parts earlier this week. It's the same guy who made the Sibelius video that got suggested to you and me at once.

Though I'm not sure I am finding The Time Of My Life as horrible as he does. I'm not hearing it.

That Bruce Springsteen song though, Jesus fuck. I couldn't suck that much even if I tried. More to the point, I would have to try, even though sucking comes very naturally to me otherwise.

RegDwigнt

8:01 PM

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Q: how use verb with but so

I came across the following sentence: The clocks will be going back this weekend, but so are the temperatures. My question is: why do we say ‘but so are the temperatures’ as if it is a question and not ‘but so the temperatures are’? Is there a grammar rule here? I can’t remember. Thanks

grammar

Best question title.

Robusto

8:28 PM

@RegDwigнt "It's OK to be wrong."

RegDwigнt

8:57 PM

@Robusto yes. But. BUT! What if the thing you're wrong about is that statement? Then it's actually not okay, because that's what the statement then says!

OMG mind blown.

BRB asking on Skeptics.-

Robusto

But anyway, yeah, I don't know that song and so I haven't had time to properly hate it, so the transition means nothing to me other than a boring, slightly overwrought fragment of a boring, slightly overwrought piece.

RegDwigнt

Whoa whoa whoa you don't know Dirty Dancing?

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Just Quit Sibelius already.

RegDwigнt

I watched the movie and read the book.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Never have watched it. It looked like a chick flick.

RegDwigнt

8:59 PM

Well yes. The chickest of them all.

Fuck, the heroine is literally called Baby.

Robusto

QED

RegDwigнt

That is her name.

Sibelius with a Tuner

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Also, you should know from watching that other video that you can't quit Sibelius because he then crashes on you.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Yet he encourages you to just press that button.

RegDwigнt

There must be a joke app by now that just has a giant X button and nothing else.

Probably up on iStore for $999.

AVID could license it and repackage it as Sibelius 8.

Anyway. Don't need to know the movie to know the song. It was all over the charts for a better half of a decade. Or the worse half, depending on how you see it.

I actually have the piano score. As in physical sheets.

Robusto

sheeeeeeeeit

@RegDwigнt I avoid them charts.

RegDwigнt

9:06 PM

Yeah so do I now. But it wasn't always so. And you weren't always wise, either.

Wevs. You don't know Time of My Life but you do know Blowing in the Wind, so all I'm really saying is you could have structured your life less poorly.

Robusto

My life used to be structured. No longer.

RegDwigнt

Oh you've reached zen. I'm jelly.

Robusto

retirement = zen

RegDwigнt

I'm still working on the getting up in the morning to google for zen part.

That Sibelius guy posted a poll earlier today asking which piece of software he should review next.

I said MuseScore, and I think it's still in the lead now.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Hmm ... I wouldn't ask him to review Digital Performer because it has been my favorite piece of music software for at least 20 years now.

Not that I'm afraid he would trash it, but that it wouldn't provide enough fodder for a funny review.

RegDwigнt

9:11 PM

The options are MuseScore, Finale, Dorico and Notion.

I've only heard of Finale not even heard of the other two.

Robusto

I used Logic for a while in the '90s, but didn't care for it.

RegDwigнt

MuseScore I started using like two weeks ago and yeah it does have some of the issues that Sibelius has, but nowhere as many or as bad.

Also, and I actually meant to post that as a comment on that video maybe, it doesn't matter all too much how shit the app is if the documentation is stellar.

And with MuseScore, I can't find anything in the software, but literally two seconds on Google later I am all set and done.

Robusto

Digital Performer is so intuitive that you wind up thinking I wonder if it does this and then you find out that not only does it do that, but it does it better than you imagined it could be done—and easier to do as well.

RegDwigнt

Will it run on my 32-bit Vista, tho...

Robusto

Mac only.

RegDwigнt

9:14 PM

Ah that kind of thing.

Robusto

At least it used to be. Not sure where it's at these days.

RegDwigнt

I'm not sure where Mac is at these days, frankly.

Robusto

I keep my 10-year-old Mac Pro around just for DP and the original Final Cut Pro.

RegDwigнt

The moment I started seriously considering them, they started seriously considering going down the toilet.

Which is a shame, really.

Robusto

Yeah, they've got a serious case of Jobs-itis ... thinking their shit doesn't stink and never will, when the truth is they're one bad marketing decision away from oblivion.

RegDwigнt

9:16 PM

You spend 20 years to grow up to have disposable income to finally buy the car or software or PC you always wanted, only to find out that 20 years later, the car or software or PC is now made of spunk.

Robusto

Well, considering their fanboi customer base, maybe several bad marketing decisions away ...

Mitch

Whatever you think of the trend of quality in Apple products, aren't they the highest valued company ever?

RegDwigнt

Well after doing away the 3.5 mil port all they can drop in their next iteration is the screen really.

Fingers crossed.

Mitch

Like weren't they recently valued as the first to pass 1trillon dollars?

RegDwigнt

"Research shows that ears process information faster than eyes. Announcing Mac OS 15, the first operating system that only outputs sound. To a port our devices don't even have."

Robusto

9:22 PM

@Mitch Amazon took that away.

Mitch

But isn't most of that because of meth sales and post-use dentistry?

RegDwigнt

Maybe then people will finally start using their iPhones to actually make calls.

Mitch

@Robusto in the future there will be only one business, Amazon. All stores will just be Amazon subsidiaries

RegDwigнt

@Mitch as you should know from spending just five minutes on eBay, what you ask for is not what you're actually worth.

Try selling 100% of all Apple stock all at once, see how much it actually gets you.

Mitch

I'm worth more than I think. Even when taking that into account

Robusto

9:24 PM

I'm worth less than I was a week ago.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch Yes, you're worth 9 cents.

Robusto

It's called "market correction" ...

Mitch

@RegDwigнt duh. I'll get 100.

Of whatever

RegDwigнt

Apples.

How do you like them 100 apples.

Mitch

@Robusto haha.

oh shit

Robusto

9:25 PM

@Cerberus always criticizes the iPhone, and I guess that's a case of "apples and oranges" ...

Mitch

checks investment accounts

RegDwigнt

More like dogs and stuff.

Mitch

signs up for investment account

RegDwigнt

@Mitch no need to, the CIA check your investment accounts regularly for you.

Robusto

People always tell you nothing rhymes with orange but they never seem to be aware that nothing rhymes with apple either. Nothing worthwhile, anyway.

Mitch

9:26 PM

@RegDwigнt CIA? Pfft

Robusto

When was the last time you said something was dappled? Probably never.

And if you eat scrapple we can't even have a conversation.

RegDwigнt

Dec 6 '14 at 3:05, by RegDwigнt

Aug 14 '12 at 16:27, by RegDwight АΑA

Eating an orange
While making love
Makes for bizarre enj-
oyment thereof.

Mitch

What I mean to say is SOME OF MY MOST LOVED GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE IN THE CIA

RegDwigнt

And that right there is an enj-
ambment.

@Robusto grapple?

Mitch

Snapple?

RegDwigнt

9:28 PM

But yeah go ahead try to rhyme month.

I think that's the go-to example people always use.

Mitch

I've only ever had to rhyme that oneth.

RegDwigнt

Eminem Proves There Are Plenty Of Words That Rhyme With 'Orange'

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Well you can say what you want about Eminem, but he is pretty rubbish actually.

Mitch

He's like the Mozart of mouth stuff

RegDwigнt

Mozart doesn't rhyme. And neither did Mozart.

Mitch

Exactly

RegDwigнt

9:30 PM

He did ask you to lick him in the arse, that's about as far as he got.

Couldn't even think of a rhyme for arse, poor fellah.

Mitch

Ok @Robusto I didn't get the pun. 'Ein Hutmann'?

RegDwigнt

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Q: Does the adjective 'ridiculous' always mean something bad?

I have heard this word a lot in Britain English and I'm wondering if it can be used to describe good situations. Thanks in advance,

adjectives

Robusto

@Mitch "hoot mon" is a Scottish cliche

Mitch

I tried pronouncing it 5 ways as a scot might.

RegDwigнt

Fun fact: "ridiculous" actually never means "bad". It always means "ridiculous".

Mitch

9:32 PM

@Robusto oh

Robusto

@Mitch It's not funny to six decimal places.

In fact, it's probably not funny at all.

That's not the point of a bilingual pun, though.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt that seems crazy but I guess that's on you

RegDwigнt

Yes, the point of bilingual puns is to be not funny in two languages.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Who uses grapple except wrestlers and pirates? I rest my case.

Mitch

@Robusto what is the 'hoot man' thing mean?

Robusto

9:34 PM

Ask a Scot.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto grapple hook in Wind Waker. Also Uncharted 4. Also Overwatch.

Mitch

@Robusto ugh. That's a bit much

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I will. Putting it on my list.

Last thing I asked him was this stupid question on ELU I don't even remember anymore.

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Q: Scottish idiom meaning to enter a deal which turns out differently than agreed

I'm looking for a specific phrase that I didn't manage to catch in a phone call with my estate agent, a Scottish lady. The conversation topic was me informing her that my ex has moved out of the property that we rented, and that I would be handling all the communication from that point onwards....

idiom-requests scottish-english

Oh yeah this one.

Anyway, I wasn't done talking about that ridiculous question actually.

I think we need a new close reason labeled "But why?"

"I've heard the word car and I know I can use it to refer to a car. But can I also use it to refer to an elephant?"

"But why???????"

It's like an SWR taken one level higher.

They are not asking for a better word for an elephant, they are actually wondering if car is a better word for an elephant.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt I give you permission to refer to anything you wish as an elephant. Problem solved.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto also I'll have you know wrestling is actually fucking popular. And that's the bottom line, cuz Stone Cold sez so.

Robusto

9:39 PM

@RegDwigнt Popular with MOR mouthbreathers, Trump supporters and NASCAR aficionados. Not with me.

RegDwigнt

It's more popular than boxing because it's not as obviously rigged.

@Robusto but that is literally the definition of popular.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Not from my point of view.

RegDwigнt

Sorry, I meant nigged of course.

Robusto

My definition of popular is: Do I like it?

RegDwigнt

And that's why you're so unpopular.

Robusto

9:41 PM

I'm popular enough to suit me.

RegDwigнt

Maybe you have a point.

Absolutely everywhere you go, you are a major part of the population, and quite often the entire population of that place at the time.

Hm.

Robusto

I'm quite popular in my home office. Unless my wife comes in here.

RegDwigнt

One could even say the population is comprised of yourself.

BRB I need to duck real quick.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt No chat-trolling the most popular guy in his home office.

RegDwigнt

Rob. Not to alarm you. But why does your wife continue to go to your office after you retired.

Robusto

9:47 PM

She doesn't, except to reduce my popularity to ~50%.

RegDwigнt

That is quite a bit. Most people are not as good at maths.

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Q: Permission to use image

I would like to request permission to use an image posted on this site. The image is of twining vines which would be used in section transition pages, to suggest twining of content between chapters, in a book entitled "Spatial Thinking in Environmental Contexts: Maps, Archives, and Timelines" t...

phrase-requests

Mkay WTF is this.

This is new.

Okay dealt with that one. Next.

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Q: Climbs tress has wrong answer

The subject “climbs trees” has hamsters as an answer when Hamsters don’t climb trees. They are desert rodents. Also, forces an idiom when this is not the issue. enter image description here

punctuation

Mkay. How do I deal with this one.

Wasn't tress Julia Roberts in Ocean's 11.

Is this a better fit for movies.SE.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt It might be the copyright owner of that image trying to recoup some usage fees.

RegDwigнt

I'll let Robert Cartaino deal with it.

Or whoever watches our meta these days.

Mitch

@Robusto hm... would be hilarious if I had heard of this before.

RegDwigнt

I'd not use that image fees or no fees.

Mitch

9:52 PM

@RegDwigнt The CIA

Try to keep up with your own lies

Robusto

@RegDwigнt That is hovering right around the median of our quality range these days.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch No, they are not done with your accounts yet.

You've got way too many of those.

@Robusto you only say that because you never see all the questions I delete on sight.

You'd be looking for our median on the south pole.

Robusto

So you're saying it's in the top third?

RegDwigнt

I'm not saying it's not in the not litotes.

Mediant

In music, the mediant (Latin: to be in the middle) is the third scale degree of a diatonic scale, being the note halfway between the tonic and the dominant. It is sung as mi in solfege. Similarly, the submediant is halfway between the tonic and subdominant. The fifth note is almost always a perfect fifth, while the third note can equally be a minor or major third. Schenkerian analysts consider this scale degree as expansion of the Tonic since they have two common tones. On the other hand, in German theory derived from Hugo Riemann the mediant in major is considered the dominant parallel, Dp, and...

How is the third note in the middle? @Cerberus explain yourself. What is this Latin.

Robusto

1: Not Not
2: Who's there?
1: Litotes.
2: Litotes who?
1: Oh, sorry. I mean @RegDwight.

RegDwigнt

9:56 PM

It took me two attempts but I laughed.

Robusto

My work here is done.

RegDwigнt

That's the definition of retirement, duh.

Every music-related article on Wikipedia links to the sonata form.

Every other article on Wikipedia links to portmanteau.