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12:02 AM

@rahuldottech Ecstasy? That's what most people use to get "very very happy" and makes you feel like you love everyone around yo.

Wait is this you trying to slip her the D again?

12:16 AM

@ThatBrazilianGuy I have a biomedical degree with a final year specialisation in drug design and safety testing. I'm probably not the best person to follow as an example in terms of drug use but frankly you'd be hard pressed to find someone better to get accurate scientific drug information from in here.

That said I'm not going to advise anyone to take or source drugs not prescribed by a qualified medical practitioner, though anybody's free to walk into a pharmacy and buy whatever they like as permitted by the laws of their jurisdiction.

Sadly, other than the questionable exception of cannabis in certain jurisdictions, the majority drugs that get people "really really happy" are outlawed in the most western countries. Yet many are completely legal and culturally accepted and even encouraged as part of social rituals in fourth world societies.

It's also sad that accurate information on the safe use of recreational drugs is hard to come by due to cultural stigma and prejudice. Case in point, the head of the government's advisory panel on drug misuse was fired because he said ecstasy was safer than horse riding.

12:33 AM

it may be true, that fewer deaths occur through ecstasy than horse riding, but I think it's more dangerous to other people.

He was politically lambasted for information published in a reputable, peer reviewed scientific journal. Political correctness gone mad.

@NordlysJeger Ironically the information he quoted was from an article intended to open scientific debate on the dangers of horse riding addiction, not drug use.

:')

12:49 AM

Not to mention the nobel prize winning scientist who was publicly ridiculed after being misquoted as saying black people are dumber than white people when he really said was you should not discriminate either positively or negatively based on someone's skin colour.

1:00 AM

Went to an amusement arcade with my closest friend today for Mid-Autumn Festival, spent a bit of time playing a light gun game.

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@Dog I think this advice is good.

@Dog ._.

Typically, when I play arcade games... I'm there for the experience, not for high scores, and it's the light gun shooters that interest me the most.

Also got a proper 12mm impact socket to tighten my office chair's base bolts.

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"My friend rode a horse once. Now he sneaks out in the middle of the night for furitive horse rights through the night...."

May 19 at 18:33, by bwDraco

The documentation for my new chair says tighten every month, but that seems overkill to me. (FWIW the critical base screws which hold the chair seat to the legs have been tightened using an impact driver, beyond what the supplied Allen wrench would permit, so they should never really come apart.)

It's been four months... one of the bolts may have loosened a tiny bit but a few moments with my impact driver fixed that.

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@bwDraco erm wait....

wouldn't that risk stripping the heads?

1:03 AM

They're heavy bolts.

Journeyman Geek

there's a reason they might have asked you to 'hand' tighten them

They only ship with an Allen wrench with a (IIRC) 5mm head. These are a pain in the butt to use.

The center of the bolt contains a hex recess so that they can be installed with said wrench.

Journeyman Geek

what about the material its threaded into?

It's metal.

The chair is designed to withstand 250 lbs of continuous weight for ~10 hours a day over a seven-year design service life.

2 days of 40% profits in a row, 6 completely correct price movement predictions in a row, 70% accurate momentum predictions, I wonder how long I can keep this "not being wrong" streak going for

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1:08 AM

also, I'm kinda debating a secret labs... ;p

I'm hearing decent things about them and they're local

@Dog nice? maybe put away some of the profits in case... ;p

It's metal on metal, and the bolts do take a lot of stress over time. There's probably a reason they call for tightening it monthly, especially if hand-tightened...

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ya

An impact driver can apply far higher torque; I simply stop when the bolt doesn't move much more when the hammer strikes in the impact gun.

That Brazilian Guy

So I enter RA's steam group (yes, we have a Steam group) after literally months and... Who are all those people?

And I don't use the highest speed setting on my impact driver. I don't even pull the trigger all the way because that will damage the workpiece.

1:10 AM

Technical analysis with a highly technical, scientifically educated brain seems to be beating "looking for patterns while high on drugs", though not by much.

Though the sample sizes so far aren't large enough to form any reliable conclusions

@Dog hmmmm.

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That Brazilian Guy

9 mins ago, by That Brazilian Guy

So I enter RA's steam group (yes, we have a Steam group) after literally months and... Who are all those people?

you'll need vivaldi and use tab groops

... we have a steam group?

That Brazilian Guy

Turns out it was "open for all". That explains the random profiles.

@Bob We do, we just don't use it. :P

1:20 AM

lol

I have like 50 group invites

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@NordlysJeger oh hell yeah

That Brazilian Guy

Damn. A random mod. Who flagged stuff?

→ 3 messages moved to Trash

..?

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Hi rob!

You realise group members are public, and you linked the group page?

That Brazilian Guy

1:24 AM

Yeah...

Journeyman Geek

lol

That Brazilian Guy

I have this on / off stance about anonimity

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@ThatBrazilianGuy I didn't see no flags soooo

See this is why ~~being a dog~~ having a handle you use everywhere is handy

That Brazilian Guy

I thought no one was supposed to know you're a dog on the internet!

The only time I've actually pulled the trigger fully on mode 2 for more than a few seconds on my impact driver is to install a mailbox onto a wooden pole.

(manual called for a socket wrench, but this is exactly the sort of job you want to use an impact gun for; the bolts are long and need high torque to properly secure into the pole)

1:32 AM

@Bob Yeah, that :-D

@Bob ...?

...and tightened the bolts on the bottom of my parents' office chair, too (10mm hex). Unsurprising that some have noticeably loosened; though that chair doesn't see a huge amount of use, unlike mine.

None were in imminent danger of coming out completely but tightening them regularly helps ensure that the chair is safe to sit in.

Even in a country which normally uses non-metric units, the furniture we get more often than not uses metric measurements...

10mm and 12mm hex bolts. I would rather not shoehorn a 1/2" (12.7mm) SAE socket onto the latter. You can and will round out the fastener when you apply a nontrivial amount of torque to it.

A few tenths of a millimeter can make all the difference.

(that chair says "at least every four months")

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But then again, that chair has eight bolts on the bottom, rather than the four on mine.

Part of the reason my chair says "every month" is our messed-up liability system.

It gets a lot harder for a consumer to win a liability case when the maintenance interval is far shorter than what a consumer would typically expect.

IMO, if tightened by hand, monthly is probably sound advice if the chair is heavily used. If tightened with a power tool, I'd say every six months.

Warning label on my chair:

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2:05 AM

my Aeron be like, "do whatever you want, I'll happily fling you like a catapult if you're dumb"

But seriously, for the 90%+ of consumers who do not have $900 to spend on an Aeron, just how often do you think this kind of maintenance is genuinely necessary?

Every month is overkill, especially when I have the appropriate tools to secure these bolts with enough torque that they should not fall out for a year or more of heavy use.

275 lbs is the max weight on this Staples Westcliffe manager's chair. The rated usage is 250 lbs for 5-10 hours per day over seven years.

2:21 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm always the dragon you know and love :-)

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@allquixotic bit of envy there ;)

I got some ikea thing I'll use till it breaks and get a new one ;)

2:36 AM

So... what are your thoughts on office furniture maintenance?

I hope I'm not the only one who proactively maintains their equipment...

Journeyman Geek

I use it till it breaks ;)

I do need to clean my desk at some point

I kinda think that's unsafe :p

Bolts falling out? wtf?

What kind of chintsy-ass chairs are you using?!

Our messed-up liability system is why.

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@bwDraco oh, arm rest is a structural element on ikea chairs

hence me eyeing the SLs

2:49 AM

@JourneymanGeek The arm rests are structural on this Staples chair, too.

On my parents' chair, there's a metal plate connecting the back to the base. On the chair I have, the arm rests are the only parts connecting the back to the base.

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and that broke

not the bolts

The parts in question are the bolts that connect the seat to the base gas cylinder/wheels assembly, through a thick metal plate.

I'm so hungry

It's like 8 am

and I'm craving KFC

@Dog It's me trying to get through

3:12 AM

@Bob, @Burgi, check your Steam inboxes.

(it took me this long to identify @Bob on Steam)

congrats, you're probably #13 on the list of friend requests :P

lol

(I started ignoring them sometime around when I made my profile public and bots started adding me for trade/scam reqs)

Mind if I post how I tracked you down?

I am not doing so as a courtesy unless you say it's okay.

*shrug* my steam profile isn't private

3:19 AM

Can someone TL;DR AMD FreeSync for me?

electricity goes in, light comes out

WHOA MUCH WOW SO AMAZING COOL TECH

Among the active users connected to @JourneymanGeek, only one account had this screenshot on the profile.

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@rahuldottech basically its a way to process stuff so they can dynamically adjust refresh rates

@JourneymanGeek Right, and NVIDIA has its own version and displays have to independently support them?

3:23 AM

@rahuldottech The monitor's display panel controller has the ability to refresh the display at a continuously-variable frequency (within certain bounds depending on the monitor model) dictated by the rate frames are sent to it by the graphics card, rather than at a fixed 60/120/144/etc. fps.

@rahuldottech That would be G-SYNC.

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@rahuldottech same idea - different implimentations

I have a G-SYNC 1440p 144 Hz here.

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nvidia has their own. AMD basically wrote and contributed an open standard

Ah, got it.

Thanks. I was wondering about the whole use FreeSync displays with NVIDIA graphic cards thingy: youtube.com/watch?v=_rxFxdvO3fQ

NVIDIA's implementation is proprietary and more complex, making use of an FPGA and enabling arbitrary refresh rates from 30 fps to the monitor's nominal maximum (and sometimes even higher, e.g. 144 Hz G-SYNC displays can often run at up to 165 Hz). AMD's implementation is simpler and freely implementable but performs slightly worse than the NVIDIA solution (e.g. the allowed range is typically quite narrow, e.g. 40-60 Hz).

3:24 AM

@bwDraco hm, I was sure I had screenshots private

must've picked the wrong opt when uploading

@Bob I haven't seen you accept it. Are you at work right now?

ya

might get around to it tonight if I remember

if I don't remember, it'll just float around in the list of invites for a couple years :P so you might wanna remind me

lol

Feb 12 at 6:31, by Michael Frank

Okay, just going through some old screenshots, and turns out we had an Aussie guildie called Elusive, wondered if there was some sort of long lost connection ha

There was no other way I was able to connect the display name "Elusive" to you.

:P

Funnily enough I've been moving away from that name recently

I expected something like "Vulpin" or "BubVul" (username on GitHub).

3:33 AM

why/how did myoutube just turn black for me?

@HackToHell, check your Steam inbox. (I was able to match "Gowtham" to his Twitter account, which I follow.)

@hacktohell, India

SRE @rapyutarobotics.

4.2k tweets, 271 followers, following 1.2k users

@bwDraco Hm, I haven't ever seen his github account

Are you sure it's bobvul?

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heh there's a bit of a funny story...

I had to very very carefully work out if Hacktohell was someone I knew IRL lol

wasn't

@bwDraco not everyone may want their steamnames here

Also invited @KronoS, although he no longer appears to be active on Stack Exchange.

@bwDraco I only recently shifted to using my actual name in more places.

Last name aside, which I actually do try to keep private :P

@rahuldottech lol. I don't really link it often but it's referenced in a few of my answers, and I might've linked a few issues here. not really a secret. github.com/BobVul

3:50 AM

@Bob Ah, yeah, I've seen thr growl-to-toast thingy before

4:01 AM

@Bob My full name is considered public information.

(partly because places like LinkedIn expect my full real name to be used)

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@bwDraco not everyone prefers that

I'm well aware of that.

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I for one almost share a name with a slightly infamous local lawyer ;)

My birthday is not public. Some people are fine with that, but I'm not because some legacy systems use birthday as a security credential (which is baaaaaaaaaad)

I don't think anyone here knows my full name

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4:03 AM

I don't even know if SE stores birthdays anymore

they used to...

@rahuldottech Rahul. D. Tech ;p

@JourneymanGeek It's an option in your profile, but not required

@JourneymanGeek Hah. It used to be my username back when I joined this chat froom for the first time, IIRC

But I soon switched to Rahul2001 and then to rahuldottech

@rahuldottech You used to use it on SE, no? :P

@Bob Yep, a looong time ago ^

@rahuldottech the internet is forever

(it's also not that difficult to pull up your old chat transcript, FYI)

@Bob Indeed

@Bob I know

Okay so apparently they made Wikipedia responsive

4:13 AM

I think only ... two? three? people here know my last name

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IT IS SPREADING! SPREAD THE RESPONSIVENESS LIKE BUTTER?

though I haven't been keeping it veeeeeeery private

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Hi Mr <redacted> ;)

lol

you, joker (I'm still not entirely sure where from) and probably quix

Also, who here actually pronounces it as "weekipedia", like it's supposed to be?

4:13 AM

hacktohell might know, idk

@rahuldottech it don't look responsive

Journeyman Geek

weekee-pedia.

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@Bob Oh wait, I was on the mobile site

My bad

Journeyman Geek

looks responsive to me

;)

lol

4:31 AM

lol

5:17 AM

@Dog Horse riding is also more dangerous than motorcycle riding, IIRC

5:31 AM

@Bob This is client side fault.

@Nick ...what?

This is the page not adjusting for a small mobile-esque size. I.e. not responsive.

Ignoring for a second that I'm not even trying to assign blame, how on earth do you blame the client for this?!?!?!?!?!

5:46 AM

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It's like that for everyone.

If you have an actual mobile screen, it will optimize differently.

Notice however, the second navbar with Talk and Edit squishes into More. So, atleast that part is responsive.

So, if you just enlarge the window twice the current size, you'll see it fits well.

@rahuldottech rahul.tech/page/gossipmonger is down.

@Nick has been for a year

6:01 AM

@Nick That's not responsive design.

@Nick Of course it's like that for everyone.

What are you even on about?!

@rahuldottech said it's been made responsive. I tested and pointed out it's not. Rahul realised he's on the mobile site.

At no point does the browser (?!) I used for testing come into this, nor is it isolated to a single person.

For clarity, no, a separate mobile site/layout is not responsive.

@Bob Wikipedia chose AWD over RWD, apparently.

@Bob I'm just saying they thought as far as 1/4 screen tile, and no more.

6:17 AM

@Nick That's not how any web designer or developer thinks

Adaptive web design

Adaptive web design (AWD) promotes the creation of multiple versions of a web page to better fit the user's device, as opposed to a single static page which loads (and looks) the same on all devices or a single page which reorders and resizes content responsively based on the device/screen size/browser of the user. This most often describes the use of a mobile and a desktop version of a page (or in most cases, the entire site), either of which is retrieved based on the user-agent defined in the HTTP GET request. Adaptive web design was one of the first strategies for optimizing a site for mobile...

They don't think up to 1/4th screen tile

They just think... "Desktop" and "mobile"

Have you used Figma or Webflow?

1/4 of your device != 1/4 my device

Yeah, percents over pixels. What else is new.

6:18 AM

oh my godddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

@Bob if the last name you used on your emails to me is correct, I know it too.

7:04 AM

@Dog Yea, probably.

Ah ha!

Oh yea, I was gonna ask. @rahuldottech, feel like teaming up for the CTF?

I'm very out of practice with REing :P

@Bob YEAH OBV

Robert Vulpine McHatesPHP, we now know

@bertieb Fun fact: my legal name has never included "Robert"

7:05 AM

@Bob That's all right, since I know absolutely nothing about REing :)

@rahuldottech In that case we'll be lucky to make it past level 2 (of 5) :P

@Bob Well, it does now! :P

@Bob "Bobby "phpHatin' Vulpine

I've been trying the 2017 one

Little known fact: name assignments in RA are legally binding :D

7:06 AM

level 1 is trivial

level 2 is ... well, certain parts I find very easy (web vulns esp.)

other parts ... not so much

crypto makes my brain hurt

@Bob I'd take the time out to learn because I've been meaning to for a long time but my last exam is on the day of the CTF

steganography is annoying

RE is painful

made more painful by their use of AT&T syntax

@rahuldottech dw, the real one runs for 2 weeks

plenty of time to play around with it

@Bob Oh, great

at least I think it was 2 weeks

> The 2018 competition will begin at 12PM noon EST on Friday, September 28, 2018 and end at 12PM noon EST on Friday, October 12, 2018.

@rahuldottech And since we're all non-competing there's no rush

yep

7:09 AM

Problems are still available after the end

Could start a matrix room (not good to discuss the Qs in public) and let anyone join

7:23 AM

extremetech.com/gaming/…

> The new cards are also less power efficient, with substantially higher power consumption even when not using their additional resources to do useful work in games.

What?????

Either 1) the author has misread the data or 2) NVIDIA has seriously dropped the ball.

anandtech.com/show/13346/…

This does not indicate an efficiency regression.

The same NVIDIA who are keeping MSRP of previous-gen cards high through Christmas? Say it aint so! :P

IMO Turing is overhyped. Yes, the technology may be groundbreaking in a way, but there is currently no game available that supports RTX or DLSS, and the pricing is insane. The performance improvement over Pascal does not justify the price increase.

morning

NVIDIA may be innovating here, but I cannot say a monopoly is healthy for the market...

They are able to get away with this outrageous pricing only because there is no competition. NVIDIA has a monopoly at the high end.

The Fair License is a permissive free software licence which is compatible with the GNU General Public License. Its text is composed of only one sentence and a disclaimer, thus being the shortest license ever approved by the Open Source Initiative. It is also possible to use the Fair License for images, books, music or more generally all kinds of media. <Copyright Information> Usage of the works is permitted provided that this instrument is retained with the works, so that any entity that uses the works is notified of this instrument. DISCLAIMER: THE WORKS ARE WITHOUT WARRANTY. More popular...

7:31 AM

My preferred license is Apache License 2.0...

@bwDraco MIT ALL THE WAY

@bwDraco Why do you like Apache?

> The MIT, BSD, and ISC licenses are “permissive licenses”. They are extremely short and essentially say “do whatever you want with this, just don’t sue me.”
The Apache license says “do whatever you want with this, just don’t sue me” but does so with many more words, which lawyers like because it adds specificity. It also contains a patent license and retaliation clause which is designed to prevent patents (including patent trolls) from encumbering the software project.

IMO it's the perfect balance between permissiveness and protection.

@bwDraco Yeah, but why?

@bwDraco I thought for for a bit but it's also problematic for the same reason.

@rahuldottech The patent clause.

@Bob Ah, yep

7:35 AM

Well, this is meaningless without any patents, but there are other parts of the license which might be useful, e.g. the NOTICE file provision.

But that doesn't matter if you don't own any patents

Basically, IIRC, Apache is the Big Companies' version of MIT?

@rahuldottech That's the difference between copyright and patents.

Copyright applies to what you write. It's pretty clear-cut.

Other people's patents can apply to what you write.

And you might be entirely unaware of those patents.

> If You institute patent litigation against any entity ... then any patent licenses granted to You under this License for that Work shall terminate as of the date such litigation is filed.

> She sued for her £100 ("which was a lot of money in those days, before the Brexit vote")

lwn.net/Articles/747563

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7:59 AM

> Basically, if a contributor sues for patent infringement, he will effectively be barred from using any Apache-licensed software, under threat of patent infringement from other contributors.

From hodlerlaw.com/2013/12/02/…

The Apache License also handles third-party contributions better than simpler licenses like MIT or BSD.

> If You institute patent litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that the Work or a Contribution incorporated within the Work constitutes direct or contributory patent infringement, then any patent licenses granted to You under this License for that Work shall terminate as of the date such litigation is filed.

Wait, so if I "institute patent litigation against any entity", I can't use any software licensed under the Apache license?

@rahuldottech Not quite. They key part is that it affects the specific works which you assert patents against.

@bwDraco cool, so you make some stuff, I sue you, I can't use your stuff?

Assuming we both have patents, yes. It does not bar you from using any software that is not the subject of such litigation.

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8:07 AM

@rahuldottech If you sue anyone who worked on a project for patent infringement, you cannot use any patents from the project

Got it

Journeyman Geek

lets say @Bob has a particularly clever technique of working out what the fox says and its part of a animal translation library

and grants the user a licence to that patented technque...

suing bob means you lose the right to use any patents that were granted by virtue of that software licence

Ah, got it

Thxxxx

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How do I get the new Chrome UI for v69???

8:24 AM

@MichaelFrank chrome://flags/#top-chrome-md though it should be on by default now

@Bob Oh thanks!

I haven't launched Chrome in a while, but I noticed that when I did today it didn't have the new UI but it did have the latest version.

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8:59 AM

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9:31 AM

@MichaelFrank oh heh

me too

9:51 AM

ffs

Journeyman Geek

language!

just kicked the damn power lead out of my PC AGAIN >:(

Journeyman Geek

Also, clearly nothing a ~~$5 dollar spanner~~ lots of cable ties won't fix

>_<

now delete the swearing so somoene doesn't flag it >_< because people CAN'T BE NICE.

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or those old school computer desks

@djsmiley2k alas :(

or talk it out like Captain America!

9:57 AM

i hate the fact that swearing is an insta-flag these days

that was in context and warranted

In a perfect world, swearing would only be flagged if it was offensive

Journeyman Geek

I'm sorry :(

Like... Y'know, messages without swearing in them

Journeyman Geek

Its not just the swearing really

So, that's the frustrating thing

On one hand, I'm like "ehh, we can accept a certain level of it" and deal with it

On the other, DRAMA

anyway

@Burgi is your PC on the floor or something?

@JourneymanGeek yes

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9:59 AM

that's probably part of the problem ;)

the desks are uber cool trendy reclaimed wood

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