TeX, LaTeX and Friends

percusse

12:01 AM

@PauloCereda Is that the Poo Fighters's song? :P

Paulo Cereda

@percusse It's the one with Nick Mason's voice during the song. :P

Alan Munn

@percusse Maybe you're having a momentary lapse of reason.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn <3

Alan knows it. :P

percusse

@AlanMunn I fear that it's not momentary eheh

:P

12:10 AM

@PauloCereda You know that I have the blinking edition of Pulse DVD, right :)

Paulo Cereda

@percusse "blinking edition"?

percusse

Pulse (Pink Floyd album)

Pulse (stylised as p·u·l·s·e) is a live double album by English progressive rock band Pink Floyd, released through EMI Records on 29 May 1995 in the United Kingdom and by Columbia Records on 6 June 1995 in the United States, containing songs from their albums. The album was recorded during the band's Division Bell Tour in 1994, specifically the UK and European leg, which ran from July to October 1994 (See Pink Floyd live performances). The tour was sponsored in Europe by Volkswagen, which also issued a commemorative version of its top-selling car, the "Golf Pink Floyd", one of which w...

Oops I just wanted to direct you to the LED packaging section :)

Paulo Cereda

@percusse OMG!!!!!! Epic! :)

I recently bought the "Discovery" boxset. :)

user19161

@PauloCereda I think you have the most smiles in this room. :)

Paulo Cereda

@ClarkKent LOL

I have "Live at Pompeii", "Pulse", and "Dark Side of the Moon" DVDs. And the '39 Wizard Of Oz. :P

percusse

12:16 AM

@PauloCereda Sweet! You need to organize a Sunday to watch them all with dedicated friends.

Paulo Cereda

@percusse I'd love to, but people around me don't like Pink Floyd. :( Believe me, Brazilians nowadays have a terrible taste for movies and songs. :(

Martin Scharrer

@AlanMunn I can find the TDS ZIP files for he-she, msu-thesis and pst-vowel in the current FILES.byname file. My answer used the version at this time and the files might not be on CTAN at this time.

Paulo Cereda

Does anybody remember this one? :)

►

percusse

@PauloCereda I think that's more related to Youtube generation rather than nationality. PF requires some effort on the listeners side anyway.

Aha I do!

Alan Munn

@MartinScharrer Oh, ok. I thought you had just edited your answer to update the list, which is why I messaged you. It's not really a problem, I just wondered if there was some weirdness going on.

Paulo Cereda

12:20 AM

@percusse I didn't know Crash Test Dummies was a Canadian band. :)

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda I'm shocked.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn What I did wrong now? :P

Martin Scharrer

@AlanMunn I updated the answer now with the current list.

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Not knowing Canadian bands. :)

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn My bad. :)

@percusse So true. :(

percusse

12:24 AM

But they also have Celine Dion which outweighs all rock bands out of Canada :P

user19161

@percusse Her CDs sell because Celine Dion = CD.

Paulo Cereda

Her "Power of dream" interpretation for Atlanta '96 was fantastic. :)

percusse

a compact dame

user19161

@PauloCereda I sang that song before in a choir!

Alan Munn

@percusse And Shania Twain. And Neil Young.

Paulo Cereda

12:27 AM

@ClarkKent Really?! Cool!

@AlanMunn I've been a miner for a heart of gold! :D

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Personally I can't stand his voice: too whiney.

percusse

@AlanMunn no, they are not on my enemy of the humanity list. actually they are pretty ok :)

Alan Munn

@percusse So how about Bryan Adams?

Paulo Cereda

Wow, I didn't know Neil Young was Canadian too. :)

I think Neil Young's voice is much like Alanis'.

Or the other way around.

percusse

@AlanMunn He's ambiguous.

Alan Munn

12:33 AM

@percusse I can't stand him. But I don't really like that style of rock anyway.

user19161

I am really disappointed Adam Lambert did not win American Idol that time.

percusse

@AlanMunn We used to cover Summer of 69. But other songs make me wanna buy better headphones to keep the noise away. Let me try this @BryanAdams so we can discuss :)

user19161

@percusse Do you play some percussion instrument?

Alan Munn

@percusse Your choice: Justin Bieber or Celine Dion? <evil grin>

percusse

@ClarkKent Yep I play(ed) the drumset for a couple of bands in the better part of my life.

Paulo Cereda

12:36 AM

OMG JB is Canadian!

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda Sadly, yes.

percusse

@AlanMunn I always choose Rush

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Sadly, we have Michel Teló. :(

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda But we also have Leslie Feist and Leonard Cohen among others, to make up for it.

user19161

@AlanMunn I like both of them. I used some of the JB avatars on SE!

Alan Munn

12:39 AM

@percusse You know that wasn't the question. :)

user19161

OK off-topic but I just realised that Alan Munn = AM = ante meridiem, Paulo Cereda = PC =personal computer and Clark Kent = CK = Calvin Klein. Sorry, I just have to observe these patterns!

percusse

@AlanMunn It's a very tough call, one of them is too young meaning extended pain duration. But the other sings with Barbara Streisand so increased pain intensity.

Alan Munn

@ClarkKent And percusse = P (as opposed to NP).

percusse

P for pain, here is what I meant :)

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Alan Munn

@percusse You know the most bizarre thing about that clip: it's from MTV. WTF?

@DavidCarlisle Welcome back David, you've entered the Canadian pop culture vortex.

percusse

12:47 AM

@AlanMunn Yep, it's hard to believe. I might choose JB on a second thought.

David Carlisle

@AlanMunn according to that list on the right IE javascript just ate 5 hours of my life

Alan Munn

@DavidCarlisle It says 6 hours ago on my list. So it's worse than you think.

David Carlisle

it just changed here too:-(

Paulo Cereda

I love when South Park put Barbra Streisand's face as a Spooky Vision in one of the first Halloween episodes. :)

Alan Munn

Speaking of bizarre, has anyone seen the show "Duet Impossible"? It was a bizarre BBC show which paired pop singers with dead pop singers to singe duets. e.g. youtube.com/watch?v=_YPdYRWz3-o

Paulo Cereda

12:54 AM

@AlanMunn I did! :) I saw Elodie Frege and Jacques Brel singing Amsterdam. Spooky. :)

Well, Jacques Brel cannot be considered "pop". :P

user19161

@PauloCereda Barbra said she is actually shy except on stage. I think that kind of describes me too!

Paulo Cereda

@ClarkKent :)

@AlanMunn: youtube.com/watch?v=ih0nh2mxRI0

percusse

If I'm not mistaken Eva Cassidy indeed plays the guitar during the song in the original.

Alan Munn

@PauloCereda That's actually a French version of the show, apparantly.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Indeed. I came to that version totally by accident.

Alan Munn

1:00 AM

@PauloCereda Also, not everyone was dead. 2006 Boy George sang with 1982 Boy George.

Paulo Cereda

@AlanMunn Cool! :)

Alan Munn

@percusse Her's is such a sad story.

percusse

@AlanMunn Oh it is, terrible. I was referring to the woman in the video faking the guitar playing. It's not an easy song to play while singing too.

Alan Munn

@percusse Yes, Katie Melua isn't too much of a guitarist. If you want some more heresy, try this one: youtube.com/watch?v=KlMLAeVhJ9E (awful sound quality, though.)

percusse

1:17 AM

@AlanMunn I have never heard about her before but apparently she did all the famous songs with everyone according to the youtube sidebar. It's a secret conspiracy plot to bring down rock music!

Alan Munn

@percusse Of course, virtually no one can do justice to Freddy. I think only Pink has succeeded: youtube.com/watch?v=3cL8lGioyOM&feature=related

percusse

1:35 AM

@AlanMunn Wow that's actually really good!

Alan Munn

@percusse It is, isn't it. A real homage in every way.

@percusse Pink is kind of a guilty pleasure for me. She's an amazing performer, and a good songwriter too, and very much under-appreciated because her music tends to get played on top 40 crap stations.

percusse

@AlanMunn Yes, I was about to say that. She overdoes everything she do for the fame but I really think there is a fine artist inside there somewhere.

Alan Munn

@percusse Way better than Lady Gaga, IMO, for example.

percusse

@AlanMunn Yep, I never liked the Madonna and her sockpuppets anyway. But at least Madonna was truly controversial, nothing like the diluted ones we have today.

Did I draw your attention to this before ? :P youtube.com/watch?v=Cr8KiihK3ks

Alan Munn

@percusse Yes. Andy Rehfeldt is simply amazing.

Speaking of Justin Bieber, Andy makes him a lot more tolerable: youtube.com/watch?v=4bqRpXPy4kM&feature=relmfu

percusse

1:54 AM

@AlanMunn You can endure extensive pain as a linguist by hearing all the lyrics of the aforementioned songs :)

leo

2:41 AM

hi there

I got an Option clash for package graphicx

Marco Daniel

5:18 AM

@FrankMittelbach I removed my comments.

@Jake Not really my prof loves this field.

user19161

6:18 AM

OK so I tried to copy my texlive folder from computer 1 to thumbdrive so that I can copy it to computer 2. The error I get is that the filesystem does not support copying of symbolic links. So I formatted the thumbdrive as Ext 4 instead of FAT. Turns out the copying takes very long, maybe longer than doing a new download. Weird. Anyone has any tips in this matter please teach me.

Joseph Wright

@ClarkKent Transfer rates for USB drives can be slow, so if you have a fast net connection that's quite possible :-)

user19161

@JosephWright Oh and I thought after copying it is done, but now it tells me to wait for a long time before removing the thumb drive to prevent data loss. :-) And you are up early!

Joseph Wright

@ClarkKent Not that early: 7.30 here in the UK

user19161

@JosephWright I mean a normal person should not be in this chat room at 7.30 am. :-)

user19161

I am not a normal person, so you will see me here at all sorts of weird times!

David Carlisle

9:01 AM

For any of you following along with my pain last night:

lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-math/2012May/0013.html

Andrew Stacey

9:19 AM

@egreg That's what I get for actually reading the manual instead of just experimenting and waiting for stuff to go wrong. The manual says "Regardless of the input, the argument will be passed to the internal code surrounded by a brace pair". I read that as meaning that, in the example, #1 will be {\emph} so then #1{#2} will be {\emph}{{text}}. However, as your code shows, that is not what's happening.

Joseph Wright

@AndrewStacey As @FrankMittelbach said, xparse is really for reading LaTeX2e-style input and passing to code-level functions. The LaTeX2e approach is that every argument is in braces, so you'd expect that at the code level everything is n (okay, unless it's checking for a star, which does return a boolean N-type)

David Carlisle

@AndrewStacey No it doesn't affect the internal definition of the macro it puts the braces on the call so if \foo:D has two tex arguments #1 and ;2 the definition of \foo:D doesn't change but if you define a higher level inetrace with :mm (or o or whatever) then after xparse has finished working out what the arguments are it calls \foo:D{#1}{#2} with braces in case there was more than one token in the argument

@AndrewStacey but if the definition of \foo:D is #1{#2} then that definition doesn't change.

Andrew Stacey

I'm still not clear on how to mesh that with what the manual says.

egreg's example was this (as it's now off the screen):

\NewDocumentCommand{\applycmd}{mm}{%
#1{#2}}

Joseph Wright

@AndrewStacey Perhaps I have the manual wrong :-(

Andrew Stacey

Calling \applycmd\emph{text} or \applycmd{\emph}{\text} seems to make #1 \emph and #2 text. So braces are stripped, just as usual.

@JosephWright That's your prerogative! I guess my main worry is coding something that works but is likely to break if something gets changed in the core. So if the manual's wrong, I'll happily code as normal, but if the manual is correct and the code is wrong, I'll need to pretend that I can't do it the "quick" way.

Joseph Wright

9:33 AM

@AndrewStacey I think here the manual must be wrong: the intention is that you get #1 as you would for LaTeX2e, with the exception being the possibility of a processor.

David Carlisle

@AndrewStacey we have a manual? cooooo! :-)

Joseph Wright

Hmm, what we've got in the manual does not match the implementation. One to check with the rest of the team, I guess!

Andrew Stacey

@DavidCarlisle It's an excellent learning tool.

David Carlisle

@AndrewStacey yes so it will do \def\internalversion#1#2{#1{#2}} but then whatever argument type you define with xparse those arguments will be grabbed and eventually end up with a call to \internalversion{arg1}{arg2} with braces

@AndrewStacey feel the source Luke

Andrew Stacey

@DavidCarlisle Ah, so the point is that the arguments are protected while xparse struts its funky stuff and we don't need to worry about them being debraced too early.

David Carlisle

9:40 AM

@AndrewStacey the manual might not match my recollection of the pre-latex2e xparse implementation, and so I'd find it confusing

Andrew Stacey

@DavidCarlisle I think you meant "texdoc the source3, Luke"

David Carlisle

@AndrewStacey yes (or so I'd hope I've not actually looked what the manual says:-)

Andrew Stacey

@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle Okay, so I think I'm safe doing what I would have done with l2e stuff, but I'll but a large comment of the form

% This contravenes a strict interpretation of the xparse manual.  If something later goes horribly wrong, this might well be the culprit.

Joseph Wright

@AndrewStacey This may be a hangover from the fact that the code has developed over many years. I'll have to see what @FrankMittelbach feels is correct here

Frank Mittelbach

@JosephWright Have to look, but my feeling is that this wasn't in the spec originally (I remember writing examples always with {#1} ...etc on the code level. So Dunno what is there and how it came about. Will check, later today.

Andrew Stacey

9:58 AM

Okay, next question. When using a .dtx to write some documentation, how do I simulate a %\n line? I like to space out lines in \begin{align*} ... \end{align*} environments and so make frequent use of %\n. But in the .dtx then % %\n seems to get eaten. What should I use in its place?

Joseph Wright

10:10 AM

@FrankMittelbach Yes, to me it would be odd to write #1 and remember that there are hidden braces. I'd say current behaviour is correct.

@AndrewStacey Use two %

David Carlisle

@AndrewStacey you mean you want a comment in the doc section? use %^^A this is ignored

doc.dtx says:
% \string^\string^A\verbatimchar \encapchar usage} To allow user
% comments, the |^^A| character is defined as a comment character

Frank Mittelbach

@JosephWright no not %% that only means it is not stripped by docstrip. What @Andrew is looking for is ^^A

Joseph Wright

@FrankMittelbach It depends on how you read what he said. I'm imagining wanting to show something in the source as an example :-)

Frank Mittelbach

@JosephWright sure it does, but he is speaking about the documentation ie the stuff that is hidden already behind % and that should not end up in the .sty file

user19161

Oh @joseph just to let you know, copying from the USB to the hard disk was faster than from the hard disk to the USB just now. :-)

Frank Mittelbach

10:33 AM

@JosephWright @Andrew @David I just had a quick look through the repository and that claim that all arguments are parsed into brace groups is in there since the beginning. My guess is it was true at a time but obviously isn't and probably since the first big reimplementation by long long time ago.

My feeling is that the current state is actually better than what is claimed by the documentation, but this is something to think about. In any way, the doc and the code should not disagree on this important difference.

Andrew Stacey

11:01 AM

@DavidCarlisle That does what I want - thanks. Have a crystal-ball. (Apologies to @JosephWright for not being clear.)

Martin Scharrer

12:04 PM

I started to make automated test files for adjustbox:

\documentclass{article}

\usepackage{boxt}

\begin{document}

\begin{test}{raise: simple}
\begin{reference}
    \raisebox{5mm}{Test text Xy}
\end{reference}
\begin{dut}
    \adjustbox{raise=5mm}{Test text Xy}
\end{dut}
\end{test}

\begin{test}{raise: set height}
\begin{reference}
    \raisebox{5mm}[0pt]{Test text Xy}
\end{reference}
\begin{dut}
    \adjustbox{raise={5mm}{0pt}}{Test text Xy}
\end{dut}
\end{test}

\begin{test}{raise: set height and depth}
\begin{reference}
    \raisebox{5mm}[0pt][1pt]{Test text Xy}

This compares the box sizes with TeX and compares the graphical result using Image Magick's compare:

Report for test file 'boxt3'
=================================

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Test 1: raise: simple
Size of ref: 55.61119pt x 21.05968pt + 0.0pt
Size of dut: 55.61119pt x 21.05968pt + 0.0pt
Success: sizes match!
PSNR: inf
Success: Perfect match!
Result: PASSED
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Test 2: raise: set height
Size of ref: 55.61119pt x 0.0pt + 0.0pt

@PauloCereda: ^^

Paulo Cereda

@MartinScharrer Awesome! :D

David Carlisle

12:57 PM

It's a strange world: I just got ~155 points for giving "sed" as an answer to a request for a GUI

user19161

@DavidCarlisle Welcome to SE!

Paulo Cereda

Wow! I was ready to submit a bug report to a well-known project, then I discovered I missed a method call on my side. :(

Brent.Longborough

1:13 PM

@DavidCarlisle (Just so's you know): The PDF Metadata says MATHML 2.0

David Carlisle

ah. Thanks will fix. It's not as if I just pushed the mathml3 sources through a 10 year old build pipeline or anything....

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LordStryker

Error with achemso: "Afffiliation with no author"

any clues?

I have \author{some.author} followed by \affiliation{affill, nowhere usa}

Got it. Some package conflict.

Martin Scharrer

@DavidCarlisle lol, sed as GUI.

So, I finally got around to post the promised self-answer:

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A: Detecting all pages which contain color

For the general case it seem to be indeed better to use an external tool to test for all pages which contain colors. This is the topic of the mentioned SO question How do I know if PDF pages are color or black-and-white?. I now wrote an answer to it which includes small script for this. However,...

Brent.Longborough

1:31 PM

@DavidCarlisle Ten-year-old build pipeline? I should be so lucky. Have you ever seen a thing called SMP/E? It's how IBM distributes its mainframe software. And it's like thirty years old and in the best mainframe traditions - it only works for you when you wear a white lab coat.

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percusse

Should I post an answer about WinEdt in the sed question? It has the LINE and BLOCK modes sitting at the bottom of the screen. When selected it allows you to copy paste in the rectangle mode.

David Carlisle

@BrentLongborough I don't think so. @FrankMittelbach (I think, or someone anyway) once lent me a copy of a manual for some IBM documentation system which even back then had very fancy tabular layout possibilities, but it had a different name I think.

Patrick Gundlach

1

Q: Does Lua(La)TeX use external lua or built in?

There is a JIT for Lua called LuaJIT that has many speed improvements over standard Lua(in some cases up to 60 times). I'm curious if this could be used for LuaLaTeX or does it use a built it compiler?

luatex

IMO duplicate

Joseph Wright

@PatrickGundlach I'd missed the dupe, but do agree. I'll wait to see what others think before closing

Brent.Longborough

@DavidCarlisle That must have been either SCRIPT (derived, I think from Waterloo Script), an extended set of SCRIPT macros called GML (G for Goldfarb, as in *S*GML), ISIL, or BOOKMASTER, which were internal and customer-facing extensions.

Martin Scharrer

1:38 PM

So, adjustbox v0.9 is now released. It includes a sub-package trimclip now.

David Carlisle

cvs commit -m "MathML 3 not 2 in pdf data (BL)" mathmlspec.xsl
Checking in mathmlspec.xsl;

percusse

@MartinScharrer I need to learn to handle time more productively. How do you find time to write the thesis (if you are not finished already)? Maybe you are using your tikz-timing package secretly ?

Brent.Longborough

@DavidCarlisle Great for document organisation, but the typography was pretty mediocre. But it also had (IBM proprietary) ebook output.

@DavidCarlisle Wow! Now I have a Carlisle Number of 1!

Martin Scharrer

@percusse I submitted my thesis on 30.April, and now was simply working off all my planned features I didn't had time for in the last month.

David Carlisle

@BrentLongborough SCRIPT/BOOKMASTER sounds faintly familiar

percusse

1:42 PM

@MartinScharrer Yay! Congratulations Doctor...

Joseph Wright

@percusse Probably no viva, and certainly no award, just yet :-)

Martin Scharrer

@percusse Well, my viva is next week on Friday.

Then we will see ... ;-)

user19161

@MartinScharrer Yes, maybe they will give you Prof instead of Dr. :-)

percusse

@MartinScharrer @JosephWright It is Dr. Scharrer for me from now on. I'll knock the chat room door before entering until he gets used to it...

We have many profs around so they would hardly ever notice it :-)

Brent.Longborough

@DavidCarlisle Yes, that was the tail end of the product genealogy. Semantic markup, but also allowed explicit formatting (where else have I heard that?), and of course, all the noobs defined their paragraphs with ".sk 2", the eqivalent of \vspace{2\onelineskip}... Plus ça change, plus cést la même crotte.

Martin Scharrer

1:47 PM

adjustbox v0.9 manuals, ZIP and TDS ZIP file are under: bitbucket.org/martin_scharrer/adjustbox/downloads

David Carlisle

@percusse I started a post-doc position at Cambridge the day after submitting my thesis, The professor there welcomed me as "Dr Carlisle" and I defensively pointed out that I hadn't had my viva, the reply was, oh if you pass it doesn't matter if we call you Dr now, and if you fail, you won't be staying here long....

Martin Scharrer

Changelog: bitbucket.org/martin_scharrer/adjustbox/src/8e49b6689630/…

@DavidCarlisle Indeed! ;-)

percusse

@DavidCarlisle So if he fails, we delete his SE account, is that what you are getting at Dr. Carlisle?

David Carlisle

@percusse well you could but as a moderator he could probably undelete himself

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I started my first postdoc in much the same way, but no-one has ever called me anything other than 'Joseph' so there was no issue :-)

percusse

1:51 PM

I'm hoping to hand it in this year. I can't think of anything else right now, well maybe one last header tweak in the memoir style file.

Martin Scharrer

Well, only mods can delete accounts but only ones with less than 500rep

Frank Mittelbach

@DavidCarlisle most likely me. It is not that the mainframe software was bad once you got the hang of it (and had a white coat :-) as @Brent correctly observed.

Brent.Longborough

2:19 PM

@FrankMittelbach Indeed. The manuals always seemed to have been written by lawyers; they needed a special technique to read, but everything was there, somewhere. My main gripe, today, is that some of that stuff is still around, despite the fact that there are alternative tools that are so obviously superior by orders of magnitude, especially in terms of reducing bullet wounds to the feet.

Paulo Cereda

3:28 PM

@JosephWright: can I send you a mockup?

egreg

This is patently too localized

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Q: Error using \toprule \midrule from Booktabs package

I am trying to use the package booktabs to make my tables look nicer. However, Latex gives me an error whenever I use \toprule \midrule or \bottomrule. Here is a simple example I created: \documentclass[10pt,DIV=12,a4paper,numbers=noenddot]{scrreprt} \usepackage[english]{babel} \usepackage[T1]...

tables booktabs

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Voted. :)

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda Of course

egreg

@PauloCereda I can't understand how the title and the body of the question have the correct commands and the example has \topline and so on. :(

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh my. :)

@JosephWright Sent. :) Don't laugh too much. :)

Joseph Wright

3:39 PM

@PauloCereda Received. Reply later today time-allowing

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Don't worry. :) It's just a mockup. I will write another email to you about another tool I have in mind. :)

And I already have the tool name! :D

Brent.Longborough

Wow, 75 points just for quoting Bringhurst. When do I get the "Fishing with Dynamite" badge?

@leo Load it before fontspec rather than after??

Paulo Cereda

4:00 PM

@BrentLongborough LOL

Brent.Longborough

@PauloCereda Hi, Paulo. I see you've overtaken me. I guess that's because you're an industrious Southerner, while I am a laid-back North-Easterner [Private Brazilian Joke]

Frank Mittelbach

@Brent very proper to award the point in this way given @DavidCarlisle started of his answer with this kind of a remark :-)

Brent.Longborough

@FrankMittelbach Actually, I was a bit overwhelmed that my humble question had been answered by "The three wise men"

Paulo Cereda

@BrentLongborough Oh don't say that. I'm only half Brazilian. :)

Frank Mittelbach

@Brent \maybeflushthispage ... well :-) it should probably have been \mayberagthispage or "notflush" but ... anyway flush it down the toilet

Brent.Longborough

4:13 PM

@PauloCereda Me too. I always used to say "Sou do nordeste".

Paulo Cereda

@BrentLongborough And "eu sou do interioRRRR". :)

Brent.Longborough

@FrankMittelbach ROTFL -- I must be a bit thick(er than usual) today, I hadn't spotted that interpretation of "flush"

@PauloCereda LOL

Paulo Cereda

@BrentLongborough My accent is funny. :) At least people can spot it right away. :)

user19161

@BrentLongborough I always wonder if people are really rolling when they say ROTFL.

Brent.Longborough

@PauloCereda Mine too. And when I get annoyed, my concordância de gêneros (no idea how to translate*that*) goes all to hell

Frank Mittelbach

4:17 PM

I only realized it when you made the remark, but long long ago I made a similar mistake by calling a macro \flushedbottom not to speak of \StopEventually in doc.sty which is a straight traslation from German and is not meant to mean what it says (was really "stop perhaps")

Brent.Longborough

@ClarkKent Poetic license.

Paulo Cereda

@BrentLongborough Ah. :) I sometimes have problems with plurals. :)

And there's also ROTFLSHTIDMBAMSFO.

Which stands for Rolling on the floor, laughing so hard that I dropped my burrito and my sombrero fell off.

Brent.Longborough

@FrankMittelbach Interesting, there's exactly the same problem with English <> Portuguese, where "eventualmente" means possibly, not eventually.

user19161

@PauloCereda I thought you would drop your donut.

Frank Mittelbach

@BrentLongborough right that's the issue, but I found out about that one only after a while and then it was too late to change it in doc.sty

Paulo Cereda

4:21 PM

@ClarkKent I wish I had a donut right now. :(

Brent.Longborough

@FrankMittelbach Isn't that what they call "a legacy API"? :)

@ClarkKent And of course, LMAO doesn't usually imply a trip to A&E

Frank Mittelbach

@BrentLongborough legacy is an overused word, but yes, the whole doc is legacy but quite alive

user19161

@BrentLongborough And I only learnt what ROTFLMAO meant a few weeks ago!

Brent.Longborough

@FrankMittelbach I suspect it's one of those words that's made it into "The Corporate PowerPoint Authors' Vade-Mecum"

[Gone to High Tea]

Martin Scharrer

4:47 PM

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Q: Useful StackApps and other User Scripts for TeX.SX

Some people might not know it, but on http://stackapps.com/ there are several applications / user scripts available which makes certain tasks easier for moderators and other users which often post helpful comments. I like to point out some of them here. Feel free to post other ones as answer pos...

discussion scripts

Andrew Stacey

@PauloCereda Our wedding invitations (the less serious version) had "RSVPPDQBDFTFTC". I was quite astonished when someone got it first go. (I'm having that strange sense of deja vu again - have I told this story already?)

Paulo Cereda

@AndrewStacey Cool! :) I don't remember the story, please do tell us. :)

@MartinScharrer Awesome!!!!

Andrew Stacey

@PauloCereda That's all there is to it, unless you want to see the whole wedding invitation. However, it has lots of PJs and wasn't created in TeX so I'd be very reluctant to post it.

Paulo Cereda

@AndrewStacey :) What does the acronym mean? :)

I know until RSVP. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda @AndrewStacey My guess for the continuation is "RSVP, please do quickly because..."

but I don't know further...

(btw, has anybody told you that English has quite low language entropy?)

Marco Daniel

5:26 PM

@MartinScharrer How do I use such UserScripts?

Torbjørn T.

@MarcoDaniel Depends on the browser. For Opera: create a folder for the scripts, open the preferences in Opera (Alt + P) and go to Advanced > Content > JavaScript options, and select the folder.

Marco Daniel

@TorbjørnT I am using firefox. Do you know this way too?

Torbjørn T.

@MarcoDaniel Not really. Use Greasemonkey perhaps.

Torbjørn T.

5:52 PM

Wow, raising $12k for a Vim cheat-sheet on Kickstarter is, apparently, possible: kickstarter.com/projects/maxcantor/…

"vim is a beautiful tool. Unfortunately, it is about as user-friendly as a radioactive crocodile."

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Martin Scharrer

6:39 PM

@MarcoDaniel You need to install Greasemonkey under Firefox or use a browser with has UserScript support. Opera and Chrome should support them in the current versions.

@TorbjørnT What comes next? A kickstarter project for a new LaTeX package?

Paulo Cereda

6:53 PM

0

A: Stating a linear program

Thorsten Donig's solution is actually much more flexible than the current "best" answer, since you are not constrained (as in the definition of \linprog) to have a fixed number of constraint equations. That is, with Thorsten's answer you can simply add more lines in the body of the alignat* if yo...

Probably convert it to a comment?

Martin Scharrer

7:26 PM

@PauloCereda done

Paulo Cereda

@MartinScharrer Danke. :)

Martin Scharrer

@PauloCereda Bitte!

Paulo Cereda

@MartinScharrer Ich heiße Paulo und Ich trinke Wasser. :P

I need to learn more sentences. :)

Frank Mittelbach

@PauloCereda well, that'll already gets you a long way even since water is more urgently needed than food

Paulo Cereda

@FrankMittelbach Indeed. :) Sadly I had to interrupt the German classes some years ago. It was very fun, German is quite nice. :)

I remember a few things.

Ich trinke Wasser heute. Heute trinke Ich Wasser. :)

Something like that. :P

Frank Mittelbach

7:42 PM

@PauloCereda und morgen?

Paulo Cereda

@FrankMittelbach Hm hold on (dictionary lookup). :P

Ja, morgen trinke Ich Wasser! :)

Frank Mittelbach

@PauloCereda ja, morgen trinke i*ch *auch Wasser!

Paulo Cereda

@FrankMittelbach Oops, my bad. :)

Frank Mittelbach

@PauloCereda "auch" is optional, indicating that you intend to do the same every day but "ich" is lower case

Paulo Cereda

@FrankMittelbach Ah! :) I thought the pronouns also had the first letter as uppercase, like the nouns.

Frank Mittelbach

8:04 PM

@PauloCereda only if you addressing somebody, eg "Lösen Sie bitte die Aufgabe" and only as a polite form

Joseph Wright

@FrankMittelbach Also for Du when written, I thought (i.e. not when writing down speech in the informal)

Frank Mittelbach

@JosephWright yes in the polite/traditional form, but I would typically write "du" (but then I don't like the shift key anyway)

Joseph Wright

@FrankMittelbach Okay, I know only from courses which are always behind current usage

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Q: Stackoverflow survey

I am a PhD student at McGill University working on analyzing Collaborative Question Answering sites. I prepared a survey for users of stackexchange sites. I need your feedback for my research. I really appreciate if you can do my survey. It will take 1min of your time: http://www.surveymonkey.c...

tex-general

Off topic :-)

tohecz

@JosephWright To meta I would say :)

Joseph Wright

@tohecz Done

Paulo Cereda

8:22 PM

@FrankMittelbach Cool! :)

lockstep

11:37 PM

One more vote needed to close:

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Q: How to get non-numbered sections to show in ToC

I'm writing a book and I want the sections within the main text to carry no numeration, while I want the section number to appear in the ToC. To suppress internal numeration, I write \section*{Title}, but if I do that it doesn't show up in the ToC. Any way around this?