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BESW

12:01 AM

@trogdor I think it actually changes on your account.

trogdor

oh no! XD

lol

Luke Sommers

1:08 AM

Sup dudes

Ben

It's not wednesday

Luke Sommers

screams

Ben

Took a leap there... glad you were there to catch me :P

Luke Sommers

Heh

I need a name for my LN Death Domain Cleric who's a human

Also I have made 6 characters in the past 2-3 days

Ben

You tried that fantasy name generator?

Or are you looking for more thematic names?

Luke Sommers

1:12 AM

Yeah, it's not my favorite. Not sure about thematic.

Mike Q

@LukeSommers I've been looking through the dndbeyond list of homebrew classes and archetypes. Lots of blood-themed stuff. You may want to peek there for some ideas.

Ben

Frumpy Bumpkin

Nathan

Bartimaeus

Luke Sommers

Blood Arcana looks good

Luke Sommers

1:27 AM

Have people looked at the UA Mystic?

Ben

There you go. Nathaniel.

Luke Sommers

That could work

Ben

He was a character in a Modern-day wizard series called "The Bartimaeus Trilogy", where Wizards were the Upper-Class society. He proved his power by summoning and controlling a powerful Djinni called Bartimaeus

Luke Sommers

Nathaniel Vosa

Cool

Ben

Very good series btw. Highly recommend.

Luke Sommers

1:32 AM

Gotcha

Ben

goodreads.com/series/40838-bartimaeus

Mike Q

@LukeSommers There are now 3 versions of the mystic, all UA. Which one are you referring to?

nitsua60

2:04 AM

@JoshuaAslanSmith hiya! Good to seeya.

KorvinStarmast

3:09 AM

@JoshuaAslanSmith If my wife liked RPG, we'd do GenCon every year. As it is, she's not gonna burn vacation time for that. So it goes, life. :(

Ben

@KorvinStarmast Save up your hubby points and cash them in for one year haha

Mike Q

@Ben I thought that was a variant rule system

Ben

It is... it's a little homebrewed

I dunno. That was weak lol

Mike Q

I wonder if the Ceremony spell could lead to the accumulation of hubby points

KorvinStarmast

3:48 AM

@MikeQ The Ceremony (spell) begins the accrual of "honey do" points; the list just keeps getting added to. ;)

Sdjz

9:39 AM

@kviiri You started the 7th sea campaign yesterday right? How did it go?

@HenryWLee1066 Hello, have you come to ask about the bard question?

HenryWLee1066

Yes. Is this the best place, or should I start a room. Never done this before.

Sdjz

Asking in this room is fine, there is very little activity at the moment

(And even if there was, it would probably still be ok)

kviiri

@Sdjz We didn't get past character creation yet. It went quite well, although I'm not exactly convinced they created Heroes :P

HenryWLee1066

It is early. So, what do I do between concentration spells? Later on I'll have fore slots for non concentration disables or things like shatter. Is vicious mockery enough? Or do I need to find a way to put out some solid damage? 5e lore bard.

Miniman

What race are you? And what's your wisdom score like?

Actually, full stats would be helpful.

kviiri

9:53 AM

@HenryWLee1066 Lore bard is pretty flexible, because you can use Magical Secrets to unlock some direct damage spells. Bard's own selection of those is quite bad.

But Vicious Mockery is quite good, you've got a bonus action for Bardic Inspiration and reaction for Cutting Words... those are pretty strong.

I kinda feel your pain though, I played a Lore Bard myself and found it rather hard to enjoy because of the difficulty of spell picks...

HenryWLee1066

10:07 AM

@miniman Half-elf, stats after modifier: cha 16, con 14, dex 14, wis 13, int 11, str 8. I plan to take Knowledge Cleric for armor & more skills.

Sdjz

@kviiri Interesting characters then?

kviiri

@Sdjz I hope! :)

So uh

We have an Ussuran retired cavalryman, who's working as a fixer for a "normie" bureaucrat (neither Hero nor a Villain, somewhat corrupt but has a heart)

An Inish fisherman who dreams of becoming an explorer and hopes to find true love one day

Sdjz

@HenryWLee1066 You may want to use a crossbow the first few levels for a bit of more damage than the mockery cantrip

kviiri

A Vesten spy who's also got shamanistic training and who wants to restore the glory of the Allfather

And a middle-aged Castillian priest who wants to help science survive the Inquisition's oppression.

Sdjz

@kviiri How do they all get together? (or don't they, I don't know how 7th sea works)

kviiri

10:12 AM

The explorer and the priest seem like genuinely noble and Heroic people - the other two not as much x)

HenryWLee1066

@Sdjz but it sounds like I should just be ok with what's there. If I play my cards right, I'll complement the team well. Sound right?

kviiri

@Sdjz They were unofficially imprisoned as a part of an Inquisition sting operation... or more like, a sledgehammer operation, where the patrons of an entire tavern were interred. Later, the Brotherhood of the Coast ("good pirates", at least on pirate scale...) rescued them. This bit made a lot more sense when one of the characters was actually a member, but we decided it doesn't need to be changed x)

Sdjz

@HenryWLee1066 sure starting at 16 cha is solid and you have the stats for multiclassing as well

Miniman

@HenryWLee1066 Yeah, that's why I asked about Wisdom. Hmmm...if you were really looking to invest, you could take 2 levels of warlock, using Hexblade to get the armor profs knowledge cleric would've given you, and using Eldritch Blast + Agonizing Blast as your go-to damage.

HenryWLee1066

@Miniman I should've mentioned - PHB only. I really want to do Hexblade, but DM says no. I thought of warlock then moderately armored. It's not like I'd be hurting for skills.

Sdjz

10:18 AM

@kviiri So then they are going to help this Brotherhood in return?

kviiri

@Sdjz Nah, it was originally meant as a pro bono operation --- the Brotherhood has some of its own inside, and decides to bust everyone out to generate goodwill. So the earlier PC draft was still there with them, just not as a PC anymore .P

HenryWLee1066

@Miniman if I dipped warlock, should I wait until char lvl 6? That seems to be when agonizing eb really starts taking off.

kviiri

@Sdjz (and since the whole interment deal was done by mercenaries without any official paperwork, the Inquisition is left with no records of who was actually captured - meaning the players don't need to worry about being tailed right away)

Sdjz

@HenryWLee1066 hey agonizing eb is great from lvl 2

kviiri

@HenryWLee1066 One option for a Lore Bard is to swipe Ranger spells and become a magical archer of sorts

Miniman

10:21 AM

@kviiri That works better for Valor, though.

Sdjz

@kviiri Still promising for some trouble later if someone recognizes them

HenryWLee1066

@Sdjz sure is, but it's not that much better than a crossbow until the second beam kicks in, right?

I think the armor will be important because we're kinda squishy.

Miniman

@HenryWLee1066 Depends - if you're planning on using the invocation that gives skills (you get two remember), you probably don't want to wait that long.

HenryWLee1066

@Miniman well, I'd either have to postpone armor or blast. Sounds like you'd be inclined to postpone armor.

Sdjz

@HenryWLee1066 Well it's 1d8+2 vs 1d10+3 (and +1 to hit) with the eb, that's an average of 6.5 vs 8.5 damage so yeah maybe not that much of a difference

kviiri

10:32 AM

@Sdjz Yeah, but remember it was a rather large scale operation... the party wasn't isolated - the mercenaries emptied a beer hall full of people

In hopes some of them are heretics, pirates or smugglers. And many of them obviously were :)

Sdjz

@kviiri Oh so mercenaries take them but they escape before the inquisition has a chance to actually get to interrogating them?

kviiri

Yeah

The mercenaries are a band of Eisen Vaticine veterans who are building up coin and support in Castille to attack their homeland and make it Vaticine again.

(they're the only Villain I have in so far)

Sdjz

@kviiri Why isn't the inquisition a villain too?

kviiri

Oh, I actually expressed myself wrong... the mercenaries aren't the Villain, their leader is.

The Inquisition's leader would also be a candidate but I think he's currently a bit above the PCs' paygrade

Villains are a rather interesting deal in this game, they're basically, in addition to stronger-than-usual enemies, finite banks of "nasty tricks to throw at player characters".

They can complete schemes to increase their Influence, which is the resource they spend to throw stuff at the PCs.

Sdjz

10:55 AM

@kviiri This does sound interesting. Excuse me while I go read up on this :)

@kviiri From my understanding this should make villains far more interactive than the usual big bad hiding in their lair. Also makes stopping minor villain schemes more important overall as ignoring what the villains are doing makes them accumulate influence. This sounds great!

kviiri

@Sdjz Yeah, although there's quite a lot to run there. PC stories, GM stories, villain schemes...

Anaphory

11:11 AM

@kviiri Sounds excellent! Did it play out nicely?

kviiri

@Anaphory That was actually not played - I just presented it to the players as an idea on "how you all met and bonded" and they thought it was cool.

Anaphory

11:34 AM

@kviiri Ah, okay. I thought it was going to be your session ½.

Derpy

12:26 PM

@trogdor Your whim? Didn't we agreed you would only use Derpy's approved pony images? ^_^

kviiri

@Anaphory I kinda hoped we could've started playing, but everything took longer than expected, plus we started the session almost an hour late :P

Everyone was late. Finland's been struck by an unusual heat wave and everyone was moving kinda slow and taking an extra shower before the game and whatnot.

I went on a cycling trip before the game to deliver some lost-and-found items from our cabin trip last week, took me about three times as long as I expected because the heat drained my stamina way faster than I thought

Anaphory

It's similar over here. I don't think I've ever been as happy about rain as yesterday evening, and even that didn't really help to cool anything down by any margin.

I also don't envy my UK friends playing LARP starting in a few hours…

trogdor

@Derpy oh no you found out

XD

kviiri

I haven't slept indoors in two weeks, save for the cabin trip and Pori Jazz

doppelgreener

12:46 PM

o/

nitsua60

\o

trogdor

/o\

\o/

the mirror universes of waving

or a trapeze act

nitsua60

Oh, that's awkward. I was just trying to catch a cab....

trogdor

too late

this is your life now

waving forever,... I guess

nitsua60

This American Life: Animation from Season 2

►

Highly relevant, about 4 minutes ^^

Derpy

12:52 PM

@trogdor or this one ^

trogdor

or that yeah wow

Derpy

@trogdor you saw it?

kviiri

@Derpy Don't stand on the sky, clouds are a pain to clean up if they get dirty

trogdor

@Derpy no just,.. that picture is very much something that looks similar

@nitsua60 this was neat thanks

Rubiksmoose

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Q: How to handle spontaneous multiclassing?

Some players like to plan their characters all the way up to level 20, even if the campaign starts at level 1. I would prefer my players to react organically to the story I’m presenting, taking into account the things that affect their characters during play. For example, if the LvL 10 Fighter di...

trogdor

12:59 PM

the list of anime I have seen that aren't just Studio Ghibli movies is,... short

Rubiksmoose

I'm not sure what to do with this question.

trogdor

shorter if you only count the ones I have finished

Rubiksmoose

Right now I think the question's core is answerable but right now the question is couched in language that is POB. I think the question could do with a rephrasing and trim. But I'm not sure...

The Oracle

1:24 PM

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Q: Inconsistency around the [antimagic-field] tag

There is an antimagic-field tag that I've recently seen edited into a couple dozen questions. I searched and noticed that there are 300+ results for posts including "antimagic" and all but a handful of them are also tagged for dnd-5e, dnd-3.5e, or pathfinder. By contrast, we don't have tags for ...

howdy howdy

@NautArch hey :)

@Rubiksmoose I'm not quite sure how this isn't opinion-based.

Anaphory

@NautArch Or “have you talked to your players”. Which in this context is nearly the same.

Carcer

so what's the process if I think my comments have been incorrectly shuffled away

NautArch

1:33 PM

@Carcer I think it's Meta?

Anaphory

@Carcer Comments are always swept away. If they could be edits instead, edit; if they couldn't be, get on with something else? That's the general consensus I get so far.

Carcer

as a general rule it seems to be bad form to edit beyond improving grammar/spelling/readability/conciseness

my comment was pointing out a minor factual inaccuracy which should be corrected to improve the answer, but I've got the impression that just editing directly would be rude, as it is changing the meaning of what was written rather than just the form

I would be totally okay with the comment being deleted (and I often delete my own comments!) after the answer had been appropriately updated, but it's been called "extended discussion" and shuffled to chat

the thing is there were a couple of comments on the answer that were chatty and it made sense for them to be removed, but everything gets lumped in

Sdjz

@Carcer Ah if it was pointing out something that makes the answer "wrong" and the answerer disagrees you can always make your own answer

Carcer

no

it was a minor factual inaccuracy but wasn't related to the main point of the answer

Sdjz

can you link to the answer in question? Maybe it's easier to see then

Anaphory

1:39 PM

Edit the answer then. Original author can still roll back, etc.

Carcer

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/80760/…

the answerer couldn't have disagreed because they haven't been on the site since I posted the comment

but I can just edit

I think I'm being salty because it's way too hot

Rubiksmoose

fwiw, often when the mods see (or perceive) that comments are getting into discussion territory they will often just sweep all of them away indiscriminately.

Carcer

yeah, I've noticed.

it's a bit annoying but I understand that volunteers may not have the time to actually go through and read everything (and there's presumably a button that just dumps the whole thing which is simple to press)

doppelgreener

it's sometimes that we have gone through it all, but when we'd be finished removing the comments that need to go, the ones that remained wouldn't make any sense, so we clear those out too.

if there's some stuff that ought to be undeleted i can take a look

Carcer

definitely not the case that time, my comments stood alone

but it doesn't really matter, I've edited the answer now so ben can revert or fix it up as he wishes

thanks anyway, I feel less grouchy for having vented a bit

doppelgreener

2:02 PM

gotcha :)

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose You'll take your downvotes and like them!

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch hahaha. Bring 'em.

I think I know why people might be downvoting, this answer seems trivial and easy no? Especially if you don't read the body of the question. That is what I thought too, but also the source for my confusion.

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose It may be as simple as folks don't like the idea that overlapping damage spells might not stack.

I don't know if it's a real trend or not, but I have a gut feeling that questions that consider giving PCs more than they really have tend to get upvoted while questions that limit can get downvotes.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch I've noticed this as well. In answers to to some extent. But perception bias is a thing so who knows.

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose Yup, that's why I"m not sure if it's actual - but I definitely get that feeling.

Rubiksmoose

2:22 PM

@NautArch What do you think about the question out of curiosity?

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose Nathan's answer sums up my thoughts on it. I never even considered overlapping attacks to be at risk and am a bit surprised at Adam's answer.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch Yeah I'm certainly leaning that way. I hadn't considered it either until an answer on the superbomb question brought it up. The thing is, having simultaneous instantaneous spells take effect is and would be a very rare occurrence. (if it can even technically happen at all.)

Tiggerous

2:49 PM

@Rubiksmoose I suspect that that might be one of the reasons for downvotes too (personally I upvoted). People don't always like questions that they perceive as overly rules-lawyery (rightly or wrongly) and that create a problem from an unlikely circumstance where they'd previously seen none.

@Rubiksmoose I think people sometimes respond badly to questions that they think should be solved with RACS even if they seem to contradict RAW.

Rubiksmoose

@Tiggerous Yeah that certainly seems likely as well. Oh well I'm not concerned about it really. I was a bit concerned at first only because it was even votes at 0 and was worried that I had missed something stupid and that it was going to go negative.

@Tiggerous Yeah I've noticed that as well. I mean I would have scoffed at reading the title myself (before reading the body).

Tiggerous

@Rubiksmoose Maybe it's just trigger finger voting.

Rubiksmoose

@Tiggerous Also a plausible theory.

Carcer

I was tempted to make a note if you use Xanathar's rules, simultaneous effects are resolved in the order chosen by whoever's turn it currently is in the initiative, so you probably get to choose which fireball hits you first if you set off a double fireball trap

Rubiksmoose

@Carcer That thought had actually crossed my mind as well. Interesting thought though not much help to the poor creature getting fireballed lol

Carcer

2:57 PM

suspect it's a good one for throwing at crawford, anyway. Adam's answer is consistent with one way of reading the rules but I feel pretty certain that was not the intended meaning

NautArch

3:18 PM

@Carcer Although Nathan's answer of effects is another good RAW reading.

But just the idea that two casters holding Cast Fireball for when in range and they both go off and only one actually works is pretty underwhelming.

Carcer

oh yeah definitely

"they both take effect" is clearly the sensible ruling, and a justification that "instantaneous effects can't be simultaneous unless they explicitly interrupt each other, because you'd resolve them atomically and they'd never actually be overlapping" would be my RAW justification if I had to argue it

Luke Sommers

@MikeQ The most recently updated Mystic, I believe

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch I would argue that readying an action would not be the same actually since they take place sequentially and not technically at the same time. Although I guess that is arguable.

Carcer

3:37 PM

"Readied actions that have the same trigger take place at the same time" seems like a sane thing to say to me

but I'd also use Xanathar's rules that say when things happen at the same time choose which order to actually resolve them in

Rubiksmoose

@Carcer True, but then you do get weird cases where the effects of one readied action might effect the other if they are taken in sequence. For example, if one readies a shove and the other readies an attack and the shove goes first. Does the shove happen and the attack take place in the new location? Or do you resolve all the readied actions before any effects are actually resolved?

(which could mean that you end up attacking something that would have died with only the first attack for example).

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