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@Mitch How does changing of for from reverse the point of reference?
 
 
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8:45 AM
If the ambassador's objection reflects the approach of the French government towards diversity and inclusiveness and the outlook of the French people, I think the US is way ahead in this field, relatively.
I'm sure it doesn't. There must be a wide spectrum of opinions there, both in the government and the nation, like any other big community. But I'm guessing there's also a disparity between the average climate of opinion on this matter between France and, say, the US.
 
 
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Q: A name for the appendage "s" in plurals & possessives etc

KrisIt could be oversight, under-learning or such but on and off I remember that I never learned what to call the game-changer "-s" that comes in to distinguish plurals from singular words. "Plural -s" is all that I learned and use. Of as much significance is the "-s" that the apostrophe brings with...

 
11:40 AM
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Q: What do you call the road that circumvents a country?

RealAnyOneIn portuguese we call it "marginal" (which I would say relates to the word margin, i.e at the border of something). No result from google translate felt as the right answer. We may say for example "Vou pela marginal" which means "I'm going to take the __ road"

 
12:27 PM
@RegDwigнt It was @Mitch. I know nothing of CdB. Even after viewing that.
@RegDwigнt Technically, it's called the Bayreuth Festival, and they play other Wagner works as well.
The Bayreuth Festival (German: Bayreuther Festspiele) is a music festival held annually in Bayreuth, Germany, at which performances of operas by the 19th-century German composer Richard Wagner are presented. Wagner himself conceived and promoted the idea of a special festival to showcase his own works, in particular his monumental cycle Der Ring des Nibelungen and Parsifal. Performances take place in a specially designed theatre, the Bayreuth Festspielhaus. Wagner personally supervised the design and construction of the theatre, which contained many architectural innovations to accommodate the...
So if you have the ass to sit through any Wagner opera, it could be for you.
Of course, you'd have to journey to Münchkin land. Or whatever.
 
If anyone has an OED handy, I'd appreciate it if you could confirm the following statement (from WP:
> The Oxford English Dictionary regards the construction "comprised of" as incorrect
Does the OED really list that as full out incorrect? The online OD does, but that's not the OED.
 
@terdon I don't know about the OED, but I certainly do; comprise is a beautiful word, which takes a direct object and works in both directions. I hate to see it watered down by ignoramuses.
I do have a paper OED, but I don't have time right now to fish out a magnifying glass and look that up.
Later.
 
@Robusto It is, yes. But I think comprised of is fine and has been for a good long time. Note the old quotes in that wikipedia page. Not comprises of or other such monstrosities, of course.
 
12:58 PM
They haven't updated it since the OED2 in 1989.
> Etymology: < French comprendre (past participle and preterite indicative compris ) < Latin comprendĕre , contr. < comprehendĕre to comprehend v.
Probably formed by association with emprise, and possibly with enterprise, both of which verbs were derivatives < English nouns of the same form (representing French emprise, entreprise, feminine nouns from past participle), but being used as the English reprs. of emprendre, entreprendre, formed a precedent for the analogous representation of other compounds of -prendre by verbs. in -prise: compare apprise, surprise.
So sense 8c is the thing people don't like.
That's my first clip.
It is not marked "incorrect".
It is simply documented.
People don't like "composed of" and "comprised of" being used synonymously, since compose and comprise are thought of as opposites.
@terdon That statement appears to be false. The OED says no such thing.
 
Thanks
 
1:33 PM
@Robusto thank you for explaining Bayreuth to me, I was unaware of it. Mainly because Merkel visits it every single time and every single time they show her décolleté I have to wipe my memory clean with bleach. As I have to do now again. Thank you.
It's one thing to sit through a three-day opera.
It's a different thing having to sit through it next to this:
Now I'm off do drink my medicine.
Hey I didn't know they mixed in eucalyptus now. Yummy.
 
@RegDwigнt Makes it more palatable to koalas.
 
1:57 PM
@tchrist Is it a zombie rule/S&W prescriptivism, or is it really a misuse?
I have no idea
And what is the alternative?
"The meal is comprised of three courses" -> ??
Going through all the OED examples, none sound idiomatic to me except for those that include 'of'.
 
@Mitch "The meal comprises three courses"
 
@terdon That sounds weird to me
 
Me too, but that would be the alternative, I think.
 
M-W says
> comprise vs. compose
Although it has been in use since the late 18th century, sense 2 is still attacked as wrong. Why it has been singled out is not clear, but until comparatively recent times it was found chiefly in scientific or technical writing rather than belles lettres. Our current evidence shows a slight shift in usage: sense 2 is somewhat more frequent in recent literary use than the earlier senses. You should be aware, however, that if you use sense 2 you may be subject to criticism for doing so, and you may want to choose a safer synonym such as compose or make up.
 
It's like the meal is doing something to something else and forcing that something else to have three parts but.. the shocking twist... it is doing it TO ITSELF!!!
 
2:03 PM
Silly meal.
 
@terdon Or had a very complicated childhood
Parents, they mess you up.
 
@terdon That's sense one at M-W. The whole comprises the parts.
 
There are other words for that
like 'include' or 'composed of'
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah. But, oddly enough, ODO doesn't even show a version with of:
> Consist of; be made up of.

‘the country comprises twenty states
Ah, sorry, yes it does. Further down.
But also has this, which tchrist said isn't in the OED:
> This usage is part of standard English, but the construction comprise of, as in the property comprises of bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen, is regarded as incorrect.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wow. They're basically saying that the sciences are practical, the humanities are stuck up, it's not your fault but you should probably shouldn't wear that kind of dress in order to avoid unwanted 'attention'
 
2:07 PM
@Mitch Language rules are often about victim-blaming.
 
@terdon that sounds so like some Pink Floyd...
 
@Mitch Argh! I don't get it! I can't believe I'm not getting a Floyd reference!
What are you thinking?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The passive voice should be avoided. You don't want to ruin the life of a well respected active voice
@terdon I have a melody going through my head with some mumbled lyrics that I'm trying to remember.
Early Floyd
Syd Barrett Floyd
 
Yes. But what? I was thinking obscured by clouds, for some reason, but I can't put my finger on it
 
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A: Reverse relationship of Belong?

tchristIf you belong to — oh let’s say for example, Dr Frankenstein’s research group, then his research group includes you. You are just one member of that team. All the members of the team collectively make up that whole team, or formally, they compose it. The inverse relationship is that the whole te...

 
2:10 PM
dum dum dum dum ... dum dum dum dum
 
@Mitch Yeah, that helps.
 
@terdon hmm..
@terdon the '...' is the part I forgot
 
If Tom, Dick, and Harry make up the attack force, then the attack force is made up of Tom, Dick, and Harry.
If Tom, Dick, and Harry compose the attack force, then the attack force is composed of Tom, Dick, and Harry.
 
Found it!
 
If the attack force comprises Tom, Dick, and Harry, then Tom, Dick, and Harry compose the attack force.
 
2:12 PM
"A movement is accomplished in six stages. And the seventh brings return. "
@tchrist wait... where is the 'comprise'? Oh.
 
The whole comprises/includes/is-made-up-by its parts.
 
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Q: Is there a word that describes words that are/are not orthographically defective?

TheodcyningFor example, in English words like "though" and "trough" are more orthographically defective (as one would not be able to discern pronunciation by spelling alone), while "sad" and "banana" are less orthographically defective. Obviously this is relative because English orthography is inherently d...

 
The parts compose/make-up the whole.
Covers. Includes.
The team consists of three members.
 
Imma just use 'is made up of'
 
Three members make up the team.
 
2:14 PM
@Mitch Ah! No comprised of though. But now I have the melody stick in my head. There are worse things that can happen :)
 
@Mitch Then somebody learned you wrong.
 
@terdon 'accomplished' sort of 'means' 'made up of'
'sort of'
@tchrist I don't doubt that. I disavow all blame myself.
Sometimes I feel like there are these very tiny details in life that people keep repeating but just don't sound right to me, or that I've had to learn difficultly by repetition on hearing.
 
Come and go, teach and learn, take and bring, compose and comprise: all these polar opposites people get confused about which direction applies to.
 
Like for writing decimal digits with no unit.
I _think you're supposed to write '0.34' instead of a bald '.34'
 
@Mitch Not especially.
 
2:18 PM
but I don't think any one ever told me that
 
It isn't true.
Some computer programming languages require it of their literals, but it's not an English requirement.
 
(and I want to write '.34' because it is more efficient. You know. Engineering nerdthink.)
and all I can think is that maybe that one day in seventh grade I was either sick (I never took sick days in school) or back from family vacation a day late (we never did that) or something else.
(we never did 'something else')
@tchrist but is it a thing for some people? like maybe a zombie rule, or maybe an actual rule that is just hardly followed?
But anywa, that's in general a feeling I have. What's the capital of Nigeria? It used to be Lagos...and I have no idea when it changed to Abuja... and Abuja sounds like Abidjan... so it's all a confused mess in my head.
So I'm all nervous about my upcoming ambassadorship to Benin where I'll probably need to know whose capital is what.
No worries, I'll figure it out.
Wow, people are jumping all over Trevor Noah for his 'Congratulations Africa for winning he World Cup for France!'
And when I say people, it's French people.
pretty uptight.
They're not upset about whether to use a '0' before decimals. That is what they should really be concerned about.
Most of their bridges stay up, so I think they have it mostly handled.
I'm just pointing it out. Just in case.
 
2:56 PM
@tchrist Especially when people say things like "Come, let's go", not as bad with "learn by teaching yourself", worse with "take/bring your bag to the picnic".
@tchrist The dot is normally at the other end in English. :)
@Mitch Yes, it looked weird the first time I encountered it. Headless numbers (or is it 'eadless numbers?). One might well shudder.
 
3:44 PM
@Lawrence wait...which do you find weird? '0.34' or '.34'?
 
 
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Q: Is there a term that describes someone who both seeks to control and is controlled by something?

ScottSI'm wanting to know if a term exists that implies somewhat contradictory aspects of both control and being controlled, so expressing a simultaneous dichotomy along the lines of: controller/controlled master/slave jailer/prisoner governor/governed superior/subordinate One might perhaps use thi...

 
6:05 PM
> Remember when plastic surgery was a taboo subject?

Now you mention Botox and no one raises an eyebrow.
 
6:22 PM
@Mitch Botox
 
6:52 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ whoosh
 
@Mitch I see what you did there.
 
@MetaEd But instead of just looking at it you have to tell us about it, because you can't move your facial muscles?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I am not a slave to fashion.
 
MetaAbraham
 
7:46 PM
@MetaEd But Imma surf to Hawaii!
You know like on a banana plantation?
or pineapples?
@MetaEd again from Dad Puns on twitter
 
7:59 PM
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Q: The man who doesnt want to advertise himself

TanvirWhat do u call a man who doesn't want to be advertised, who doesn't want to come to light, who doesn't want to expose himself ( he is not recluse or ascetic ), There are some great people that we don't know because they don't advertise themselves.

 
@RegDwigнt The bleach didn't work for me. Guess I can't unsee that. Thanks.
And of course I know you know about Bayreuth. I was just trying to work in the Münchkin joke. Sosiouxme.
 
8:16 PM
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Q: A word for distracting a person's attention from their numbness or lack of sensitivity

ruffleNumbness is the absence of physical sensation. What single word might be used for "distracting" from it, for diverting a person's attention from their numbness or lack of sensitivity? Bert found that stroking his elbow was the best way of ____ himself from his numbness. Bert winked at he...

 
8:48 PM
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Q: Is there a word for the general, solely negative, discrimination of any kind of group?

MalandyIs there a word for the general, solely negative, discrimination of any kind of group? Like, a word that encompasses misandry, misogyny, anti-semitism, the common use of both "racist" and "sexist", etc.

 
@Robusto I will leave that to Tim Münchkin and his Herzogenaurach Orchestra.
 
And a Merry Kraftfahrzeughaftpflichtversicherung to you too!
 
The very fact that we have "positive discrimination" is proof enough that discrimination in and of itself is by default negative. Furthermore, since when is it "discrimination of", anyway. That's what ESL learners always say. And you always have to correct them that in English it's "discrimination against". And that against right there really drives the point home that it's not a good thing at all. — RegDwigнt ♦ 45 secs ago
What is that question.
I don't even.
Wut.
 
They're all like that these days.
People. Words. Something something. Dunno.
 
Welcome to ELU, where discrimination is a good thing, and craftsmanship is strictly reserved for people with a penis.
 
9:00 PM
Well of course it is.
Perhaps you're confusing it with craftwomanship, but ship was neuter, ever the maiden.
 
"Woman" is reserved for people with a penis, too. You're not helping.
 
Only penes get women?
 
And don't go woperson. There's a son in there.
 
I find honey works.
Better than vinegar.
For attracting birds.
And flies.
 
@tchrist Whoa whoa whoa. You can't get away with the N word in here just by prefixing it with a text editor.
 
9:02 PM
Honeyed dates are definitely tops.
Make your heads pin.
 
To go on a honeyed date you need to mead someone first.
 
Too much thyme.
 
You had it cumin.
Now hand over the mustard. And careful, I don't saffron fools gladly.
 
How did you know I'm making saffron custard!?!?
 
9:18 PM
Mar 21 '11 at 13:47, by RegDwight
I know everything, and then some.
And that was seven years ago, like.
Imagine all the things I've learned.
Then again maybe don't.
 
Bain-Marie.
She's been at it again.
 
I've beel to la salle de Bain-Marie once.
It was purdy.
 
Sounds haut.
 
De fait.
 
9:33 PM
YouTube channel stats are great fun to look at and impossible to comprehend.
 
It's a trap.
 
The shortest video I made, people on average stop watching at the 56% mark.
That's okay, like. But dig this.
The longest video I made, people on average watch all the way to the 117% mark.
Good job Google. Do you even math.
That's on average, mind. That means there's some people out there who continue watching after that.
Not sure what exactly they are seeing.
Also, this:
Apparently no woman below age 24 has ever heard of YouTube.
But at age 44 there's actually like twice as many of them there as the usually quoted figure of 10%.
And at age 45, everyone just dies. Or can't afford the Internet anymore.
Or maybe both, in either order.
 
9:55 PM
oh yes
@RegDwigнt Or have learned it's a trap.
Or lie about their age.
Or simply can't be arsed to waste their sunset years fucking off with youtube.
 
10:10 PM
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Q: Is there a word for a characterizing feature?

jippyjoe4By characterizing feature, I'm referring to an attribute of something that uniquely identifies it. Is there a single word that describes such a feature? Characterizing and distinguishing come to my mind, but I feel as if there are a lot more terms for this that I'm missing.

 
@tchrist dunno about that, I've heard if there's anything you get in abundance at old age, it's time.
 
@RegDwigнt No, it doesn't work that way. Weeks go by like flickering pages in a fat fanned phonebook under stop-animation.
 
That is the other thing I heard.
 
Every decade is shorter than the last, and every year.
 
The reasoning being, when you're five years old, the next year is a friggin sixth of your life. At age 100, it's just 1 percent. And it's all shit you've seen a hundred times anyway.
Anyway. I'm actually guessing the only way Google knows anyone's age is through their forcing people to have Google+ accounts. And that would make sense, that nobody above a certain age has that nonsense.
 
10:20 PM
It is difficult to fully appreciate its feel without being there.
Oh, I think you can use any Google account, including merely gmail.
 
Well frankly I don't want to be there if that is the feel I'll have to appreciate.
 
@RegDwigнt You aren't already noticing it?
 
@tchrist yes but like everywhere else they specifically say they don't use or save or care for any personal data. I saw that just recently on some Google service and was like, huh.
 
Lies.
 
That's what I thought but they made it sound legit.
@tchrist not really, no. I quit the rat race at age 25. Stopped celebrating birthdays. Don't know what date it is or what day of the week. Ever. Sometimes I even forget the year. Most of the time, actually.
For me every day is just a day. I don't look back and I don't make plans.
Live every day as if it were your last.
 
10:24 PM
yeah
 
I never had a midlife crisis for that reason.
I just do whatever. And then I do something else. And then I go to sleep. And if I wake up, good. If I don't, I won't even notice.
 
I retired after working for five years.
So five years out of school.
 
I don't think I'll ever retire unless I win the lottery or something.
I need to be doing something every day. Even if that something is sitting on my ass and watching YouTube.
 
I then screwed around for twenty years while people paid me immense amounts of money for occasionally teaching people who couldn't learn on their own.
 
Yeah I would do that but I can't talk to people. Especially not people like that.
 
10:27 PM
Then everything collapsed, and I had to go back and get a day job, and then most people I cared about died, and I gained 1,000 pounds, and life went on long after the thrill of living is gone.
 
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Q: Coterminous vs. Conterminous?

Donald PeatWhich word is more appropriate in a geographical mapping context when referring to counties in a state or contiguous states within a country, contiguous countries within a continent, etc? Are they interchangeable? If based on this n-gram 'coterminous' is used more though 'conterminous' seems mor...

 
I like teaching kids. They have no baggage and take you for what you are at face value.
 
Yes.
It is a joy to teach a young mind that's constantly leapfrogging ahead.
But those aren't the only kids in your class.
 
@tchrist the thrill comes and goes. It's a seasonal thing. And not in the way people usually mean it. Like, life has a summer and then an autumn and then you die. It has many summers. Or maybe just a few. But more than one for sure.
 
Everyone needs just three things: something to do, someone to love, and something to hope for.
The first alone is not enough to bother living.
 
10:31 PM
I dunno. There's times where I'm finding I'm perfectly self-sufficient. Quite often, really. You know that thing they call the flow. When you're in it, you don't give a fuck.
But yeah I've been living not just alone but in what most would consider utter isolation for so long that it's easy for me to say that.
I'd hate going to Mars, but I might be a perfect candidate.
 
Only so many times you can chase the shiny carrot you've pretended to have forgotten you yourself placed before you.
 
Yes, but that's not the flow is about, is it.
You don't have a carot. You just hack away.
You just do because you like doing. Not because you care about the result.
 
Remember those things.
 
In fact once you have a result, that's where the mic drops and you feel all lonely and exhausted and sad.
When you end a book or finish a symphony.
 
Or your trek is over.
 
10:34 PM
@tchrist I definitely will. I tend to not forget things quite generally.
 
I once had the lightning memory of a prodigy. And I still remember all those things, things I learned before I turned 25, fresh as ever.
 
We have Google now. All you really need to remember is your own self.
 
But from the last 10 years? Very little. I have forgotten more things than most people ever learn.
 
Actually it began before Google for me. I learned that during my CS studies, funnily enough. You don't need to learn anything. You only need to learn how to look it up.
I'd studied maths before that, and translation. These were different. You sorta needed a certain base line. And it could be very high at times.
So I can still translate poetry for you without looking up anything. But I don't even know how the fuck bubble sort goes. I'd just look it up.
The irony being, that that would still be faster than translating poetry.
 
Funny that.
 
10:39 PM
The thing I have no idea about is trivial. The thing I know everything about is hard.
 
Byt yes.
I do translation at work, mostly proofreading a native speaker's work, but still. And it's really good I do, because sometimes he falls into word-for-word translation that doesn't sound as good as doing it "for real".
He always agrees with my rewordings, too.
But I can't tell somebody else how to do what I do. I just can't.
 
Well you can't because you can't.
They need to think in the target language. You can't do that for them. Nobody can.
 
What I can never fathom is these counties whose Spanish-language web pages are just their English-language ones robo-translated by Google Translate. The people who most need to read those translations "can't".
I really can't stand integrating with third parties who've robo-translated. It makes us look bad.
And when you complain about it, you have to explain it in terms that the person hearing your complaint can't even understand.
 
It will only become more common as machine translation gets better. Too bad that it will never get good, tho. Like, we had actual mathematical proof for that what, 12 years ago now?
 
Because they can't speak Spanish, so they don't know why it sounds so dumb.
 
10:46 PM
Machine-translate it back into English.
I'm actually serious.
 
Hah, that'll have shown them!
See, monsters. We engender monsters.
 
Using the exact same service, take their very text, and show them what that very service does to their very text in their very mother tongue.
 
I wonder if going back and forth will eventually converge.
 
We tried that with @Færd like a couple days ago.
I plugged some gibberish Farsi into Google.
It got a different translation four times in a row, but then it kinda stopped.
Could be just a local maximum, though. You'd have to go all the way to infinity to be sure, and nobody ain't got no time for that.
 
Our real problem is that we don't have anybody in QA who can do so for Spanish. Our only two qualified individuals are the native speaker in software support (phones) and me in dev.
They had me take a call once because the support guy wasn't in yet and the caller had no English. It was a wrong number. :)
So we have nobody to read our pages for a release to make sure they aren't nonsense. Sad.
 
10:51 PM
"Eso es la zapatería?"
 
Something like that, but calling for some county department thing that certainly were not us.
Like trying to find out the hours for the clinic.
 
Branch out. This is your chance. People already have your number.
A friend of mine in Munich got a phone number that previously belonged to a German schlager singer who died a couple years ago.
She still gets calls from all kinds of places asking for interviews.
 
heh
 
Like, fan communities and shit. You'd think they know.
I'm Johnny Cash's biggest fan! Saving up real hard for his next concert.
 
Wear black.
Are Russians as likely to be monoglots as Americans?
And so proud of it that they look down on those who aren't in a sort of fox-and-the-grapes sort of way?
I no longer recognize my own country.
I guess that's what always happens when Putin comes to power there.
 
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