TRPG General Chat

Ben

6:00 AM

And unfortunately, right now, that's the best defense we have against drink-driving. That is; prevention

trogdor

We have those here too

Though I see less of them now

Less reliance on cable TV

Ben

But, right now I don't really see there's much else that can be done about it, unfortunately.

trogdor

That's fair, I just wish more people thought of the issue at all

Ben

Yeah - that's what I'm saying. The problem is up to the people to fix. Which in itself is a flawed solution.

trogdor

6:21 AM

That isn't quite what I meant but I have no solution thought up

trogdor

6:32 AM

What I mean is, maybe society can be doing more to make it more likely for people to make fewer bad choices

Yes, you are the first person who can stop you

That's entirely fair

But what about kids who see a lot of beer commercials and the sheer number of them looks like tacit endorsement of a culture of consummation that is unhealthy in it's excess?

Do we limit the number of adds that can play? By how much?

Do we levy worse penalties to the clerk behind the counter who didn't check ID? Or the adult who bought it so it wouldn't be an issue?

How do we enforce that?

We can do things, I just don't know what things will work out

It's not a problem with an easy solution but I feel like that makes people feel like that makes it not worth fixing

BESW

6:52 AM

It's definitely a culture-level problem, in which reckless behavior is framed as brave and acting out of concern for others is framed as weak.

In that context, the idea of drinking as inextricable from socialization becomes very dangerous indeed--as does the notion that self-control is not part of one's identity, and removing it reveals the "real" person (rather than stripping away a significant part of one's identity).

trogdor

I don't want to frame this as stopping everyone from drinking, that's not my issue

just that I see a society where not only am I a minority in the context of not drinking, but bringing up the issues with it just,... doesn't usually track

and I don't just think Prohibition wouldn't work, I also think it set a frankly dangerous precident, at the time and even now

banning a substance a large portion of the population is either already addicted to or likes,.... just leads to them finding illegal sources of it

that doesn't mean I think everything should be legal,.... but alchohol is already established

hence how it turned out that prohibition caused a huge criminal power vacuum that got filled mighty hard

not to mention that I don't personally think alcohol is as dangerous as,... say certain illegal drugs

XD

but to say it isn't dangerous at all is,... disingenuous

Derpy

7:42 AM

every year the city I live in hosts a "Celtic" music festival. This attracts a lot of younger people (who usually are just there to "hang out" and probably don't even like the traditional music in the first place).

Said "kids" are very often in the 14-16 years old range.

Miniman

@trogdor I don't think alcohol is the primary source of that danger, though. Society and culture tells us that we aren't responsible for our actions while under the influence of alchohol, which is just not true.

Derpy

Usually, they arrive at the place carrying bags full of beer bottles.

I should add that here alcoholic beverages shouldn't be legally sold to people under the 18 years mark.

often, police comes around to check the situation - they mostly just look at parked cars and such.

I think that it is superfluous to say that often those "kids" are drinking just in front of them and no one cares.

results: some cases of people having to be carried away by ambulance...

BESW

Smoothie: Frozen mixed berries, Greek yogurt, flax and bran meal, wheat germ, berry juice, frozen orange juice concentrate, honey.

trogdor

@Miniman that is also fair

I understand it doesn't simply rob you of choice, but over consumption of it is still a nasty problem

and yeah, the only solutions involve changing the culture around it

I don't refute that

@BESW mmmmm

anyway, sorry about all that

I don't mean it to come off as shaming people for drinking at all

if anyone takes it that way, I can only apologize and say I didn't mean it in that specific way

kviiri

8:53 AM

Back from the woods

A Very Large Bear

@kviiri How was it?

kviiri

@AVeryLargeBear Terrific! Although it got a bit hot at times

You know that feeling when it's a sunny day and you enter a hot car? We got that feeling when exiting the car.

BESW

@trogdor There's this one caregiver who's really great with my dad, and when my mom's gone he re-arranges his very busy schedule to stay later--which means skipping dinner on his way to the gym afterwards. So I've started making him smoothies.

trogdor

cool

A Very Large Bear

@kviiri Hahaha that does seem a bit hot.

kviiri

8:58 AM

Then again, cottage life is quite care-free, so we just plunged into the lake after getting there. Refreshing

A Very Large Bear

What's the rep threshold for chat again?

BESW

20.

A Very Large Bear

@BESW Thanks! Any chance you can invite the OP from this question: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/127378/…

I want to point them at some threads, but don't want to clog the comments

BESW

No, I don't have power-invite privileges. That's reserved for the elected and the employed.

A Very Large Bear

@BESW Ahh, I thought room owners could do that too :/

BESW

9:05 AM

I see the user has 192 rep on Stackoverflow, but I don't SO rep carries over to SE chat privileges.

kviiri

9:32 AM

Huh, I thought it was just sum of all SE sites' rep.

BESW

SE rep seems to stack for the purposes of SE chat privileges.

But SO chat is a separate entity from SE chat.

We've run into a few folks before who had different privileges on SO vs SE chat networks because of a significant useage disparity.

[leaves "your answer has no support" comments on three different answers to a single question]

[braces self for response]

kviiri

Huh. I always thought SO was just... primus inter pares respective to other SE sites and would otherwise function normally.

"normally" as in same as everyone else

BESW

Nope, apparently it's a separate network running the same infrastructure and maintained by the same overlords.

Their unity is an illusion, accomplished through clever tricks with mirrors.

trogdor

you hear that mortals? your unity is an illusion

quake before the pony overlords!

with drums and cymbols

doppelgreener

@AVeryLargeBear that requires a diamond moderator to do, but they are now at 20 rep on RPG.SE

and yeah, SO has its own separate chat server to the rest of the network and chat privs are earned separately on SO vs elsewhere

kviiri

9:51 AM

@AVeryLargeBear The Honey Heist went well too, we had one newcomer who did an excellent job fitting in

Almost forgot the On-topic part :D

The GM had brought us hats even!

A Very Large Bear

@doppelgreener Thanks for the clarification!

doppelgreener

@kviiri brilliant!

A Very Large Bear

@kviiri Good! I do love me a good honey heist ;)

6

BESW

@AVeryLargeBear Yeah, that checks out.

The Masked Rebel

o/

BESW

9:59 AM

[wave]

Hi

how are things here

Good, thanks

@trogdor mortals? So your headcanon does align with that Chant Of Immortality thing?

trogdor

@Derpy I forgot that was a thing

I listened to it maybe one time?

Derpy

10:15 AM

@trogdor the song is just one example of that "Immortal Twily" theory ^_^'

trogdor

oh, maybe I never did then

I thought you meant this one where there is faux latin chanting about the GodQueen Celestia

XD

KorvinStarmast

12:37 PM

@nitsua60 Well, it seems that our inputs in back room and on the forum, getting no response, were received as "must be happening since 'not coming' isn't clearly communicated. As per that line in Cool Hand Luke: what we have heah is failure to communicate

A Very Large Bear

@Pixie I generally use either Google Docs or Ema Personal Wiki

BESW

1:16 PM

Hmm. On reflection, technically none of these are answers at all. They don't just lack support for their claim, they lack a claim. Each is just a quote from a third-party source leaving the reader completely alone in determining why that quote is an answer to the question.

NautArch

@BESW I didn't think the question was looking for D&D sources, but for sources that D&D may have pulled from?

"Did the idea of priests/clerics having a water-creation ability come from an earlier source, or is it an original D&D invention,"

BESW

@NautArch "May have" is pure speculation of the kind we can't give, and it's also not what they're asking.

Your quote is not asking for speculation. It is asking for information.

In the context of being asked on a D&D site, it's asking where D&D got the idea: independently or via third-party inspiration.

NautArch

Right, but "come from an earlier source" in context with "or is it an original D&D invention" seems to be asking for sources prior to D&D.

BESW

We can answer where D&D got the idea, with support.

NautArch

ah gotcha

so they're question is really "where did D&D get the idea for create water?" that then needs supporting sources from D&D to prove it.

BESW

1:28 PM

Since it's asked here, it's reasonable to assume they want a D&D-centric answer--and also reasonable to expect users with 5-digit reputation scores to connect the dots on their answer and not leave it as an exercise for the reader.

Answers that just quote another source are bad answers, almost universally.

Some legwork has to be done to connect the quote to the question.

nitsua60

Wow. That's horrible. though I'm more disappointed with forty or so upvoters than I am the author. (But there's enough to go around.)

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