This Is Fine

Kevin van der Velden

2:03 PM

I mean it's not his fault he didn't know that, he didn't have a license!

fredley

Being a cop in Florida sounds so fun

Kevin van der Velden

No rules, no accountabillity, all the money you can "civil forfeit" and free ammo for your free gun!

Tim Stone

@Ash I'll give him a D, for DUI

Unionhawk

initiative 77 has been repealed by DC council

tipped workers will now, thanks to the council, no longer begin to see increasing wages

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk link?

Unionhawk

2:17 PM

washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/…

Wipqozn

Thanks

Unionhawk

tfw you live in a democracy

Wipqozn

Yeah really

I think the USA is the only place with a law like that. I think Quebec has a lower minium wage for positions that get tips, but only like a dollar lower. Still fucked imo, but not nearly that bad.

Yeah quebec does: cnt.gouv.qc.ca/en/wages-pay-and-work/wages

and a special slot for people in clothing which is the same as general, what

it's actuall lower per hour than I thought

9.45 compared to 12.25

huh, they even have minimum wage for fruit pickers. Interesting.

Yuuki

@Wipqozn Don't forget to tip your avocado toast farmer.

Wipqozn

@Yuuki Apparently

that's just quebec though

Rest of Canada doesn't do it as far as I know

Unionhawk

2:24 PM

in the United States, wage+tip must be at least regular minimum, and if not, then the employer must supplement it

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk Yeah I knew that was athing, which is good but like

Unionhawk

However, this is often not done

Wipqozn

Yeah I figured

and if you complain well have fun not having a job

Unionhawk

wage theft is larger than all other theft combined

Yuuki

And also, employers can dock your pay.

Unionhawk

2:24 PM

it's super cool and good

fredley

@Unionhawk banking fees?

Yuuki

Which can result in lower than minimum wage.

Wipqozn

but even people should just get paid minimum wage and if you get tips then great

Unionhawk

YEP

Wipqozn

@Yuuki What can they dock your pay for?

Unionhawk

2:25 PM

being disabled for example

Wipqozn

At least in Nova Scotia your pay can be docked for certain business expenses, but it never go below minimum wage.

Unionhawk

that's a real thing you're allowed to pay disabled people subminimm

it's super cool

normal and good country

now @uni that isn't fair america is already great

fredley

the best country

Wipqozn

Uniforms is one thing, I think. I think employers are required to supply a free uniform when employees are hired, but can charge them for additional ones? But if that would put them below minimum wage they can't.

I think there's even a rule that employees are entitled to free repalcement uniforms every X years or something

quartata

@Unionhawk what a joke.

Unionhawk

2:27 PM

@quartata democracy in this country is a fucking sham

Yuuki

My understanding is that your wage + tips must be at minimum wage at least but there's no protection against docking pay.

Unionhawk

check this out: your wage + tips should be 15 + tips

Wipqozn

Does the US have the idea of an "Experienced employee" minimum wage?

I think it might be a nova scotia thing

> As of April 1, 2018, employers must pay experienced employees at least $11.00 per hour. They must pay inexperienced employees at least $10.50 for each hour of work.

Yuuki

tl;dr wage + tips >= minimum_wage but also wage + tips - docked_pay <= minimum_wage is possible.

Unionhawk

@Wipqozn no

lmao

Wipqozn

2:28 PM

> An experienced employee has done a kind of work for at least three calendar months or worked for the same employer for at least three calendar months. An inexperienced employee has done a kind of work for less than three calendar months and has worked for the same employer for less than three calendar months.

quartata

why bother having local ballot initiatives when 13 rich people can just take a piss al, over them

Unionhawk

I think there are lessons here

Wipqozn

So basically a way to help folks with no experience at all get hired over those with some experience

Yuuki

An implementation of that in the US probably just means businesses will cyclically fire people every two months + 29 days.

Unionhawk

We need to design things to be robust enough to hold up

We need to launch the DC council into the sun

and we need to hold local politicians accountable

because as it turns out they're usually bad!

Wipqozn

2:30 PM

@Yuuki Pretty sure it's cumulative across all experience, but that second condition makes it more confusing

quartata

hmmmmm it really makes you think

Wipqozn

oh I think that second condition just means that if I've worked for you for 3 months you need to give me a raise if I was an inexperienced employee when I start

quartata

maybe local politicians suck ass because they get no media scrutiny

Unionhawk

"what up bootlickers" refers to pretty much every city council not just seattle

Wipqozn

@Unionhawk I think you need folks running things with a sense of ethics beyond "Help the rich eat the poor"

quartata

2:32 PM

see also: cville

Arperum

2:52 PM

@GodEmperorDune So they get their avocado toast delivered?

GodEmperorDune

@Arperum exactly

20 hours ago, by GodEmperorDune

Here is @DanielleSATM talking to various trans artists about representation and why that Scarlet Johansson controversy was just so grotesque: http://www.slashfilm.com/scarlett-johansson-controversy/

Tweeted by JacobSHall on July 10, 2018 at 3:04 PM

@Unionhawk sad but true

ugh this dc council thing has me pissed off

> The council has overturned successful ballot initiatives at least four times since the 1980s. In 1996, lawmakers reversed a 1992 initiative that tightened limits on local campaign contributions, and in 2001, they overturned a measure that established term limits.

thinking.gif

quartata

Uhhhhhhh

What

Unionhawk

wow it's almost like those are connected to this one too

quartata

So, basically

Unionhawk

:thinking:

how much do you think the restaurant industry threw at them

quartata

2:59 PM

They are completely out of control

Unionhawk

it's too bad "bootlicker" will trigger twitter jail because UHHHHHHH

(it's racist against the petty bourgeoisie)

Yuuki

... huh?

Unionhawk

Twitter jail makes no sense

essentially

quartata

@Yuuki basically,,

Yuuki

@quartata Thou shalt not cross the streams?

Unionhawk

3:06 PM

I'm sure my recent "threatening violence->me" report against noted blue checkmark @ProudBoysUSA will go through though

jack is on the case

quartata

The mutilated dog thing is 100% true, and the jicama cactus sundae only loosely adapted from a true story

Unionhawk

:)

quartata

It's barely a joke

Also pretending to work at Applebee's = instant ban

user15026

@Wipqozn I know it's not a thing in Ontario

GodEmperorDune

@quartata lol did they ban that person that posted a "i work at applesbees and i pee in the soda of whoever wears a MAGA hat" and then channers got furious when it turned out they didn't work at applebees at all and therefore couldn't be fired for such things?

Unionhawk

3:23 PM

@quartata fun story: there's a bar near here that bought up a bunch of old applebees shit

they were advertising an applebees night featuring shitty apps etc

there is now a cease and desist hanging on the wall

Wipqozn

3:49 PM

@Ash yeah I think it's nova Scotia only

MBraedley

@Wipqozn It's not just Nova Scotia, but it is uncommon.

Actually, I might be mistaken, but there are provinces that do allow for lower wages than the stated minimum under certain circumstances.

GodEmperorDune

@Unionhawk you mean like twitter, lol?

quartata

4:11 PM

@GodEmperorDune it wasn't even that

literally just said "kicking them out"

but yes

this is the same person banned for the pickle slushies

Nzall

@GodEmperorDune I'm reading the article now

Tim Stone

4:33 PM

Do you have the answer? NGA is seeking an algorithm that can rapidly, accurately and automatically colorize large panchromatic images, up to 10 gigapixels, in under 10 hours with no human intervention. Learn more » https://go.usa.gov/xUBR9

Tweeted by NGA_GEOINT on July 11, 2018 at 3:55 PM

🤔

quartata

holy shit, did we do this

New game show "Paid Off" offers chance to eliminate student loan debt. https://nbcnews.to/2KMdRu4

Tweeted by NBCNews on July 10, 2018 at 9:57 PM

disgusting

GodEmperorDune

BREAKING: Alabama Governor Kay Ivey has rescinded the state's policy of sending money allocated to feed people incarcerated in jails directly to sheriffs in their personal capacities. The money must now go to government accounts. Stay tuned.

Tweeted by southerncenter on July 11, 2018 at 3:26 PM

how was this ever thought to be a good idea?

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune I mean, if your goal is to feed incarcerated people then yeah it makes no sense.

Now if that's not your goal, then I think you can see why it'd be a good idea.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki fair

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune Keep in mind that Kay Ivey is only governor because Bentley finally resigned despite his massive massive marital and associated scandals, lol

GodEmperorDune

4:41 PM

@TimStone he had the weird sex tape audio, right? i forgot about that

Tim Stone

Yeah, something along those lines in a recorded phone call

Doug Jones took Luther Strange's seat after Strange was appointed by Bentley to fill Sessions' vacancy so that Strange, then Attorney General for the state of Alabama, could not continue to investigate Bentley's misconduct

Or so the story goes

GodEmperorDune

some house of cards stuff right there

Tim Stone

According to North Korean state media, Kim Jong-un skipped a meeting on denuclearization with Sec. Mike Pompeo to ... visit a potato farm.

Tweeted by ajplus on July 11, 2018 at 4:43 PM

lmfao

And of course he did, he's already shook the hand of the US President multiple times and had him gushing, what does he need to appease Pompeo for?

quartata

Yale law professor makes liberal’s case for Kavanaugh: http://hill.cm/S8T3TQo

Tweeted by thehill on July 11, 2018 at 2:31 AM

fuck, no, please, no, stop, help

Tim Stone

We definitely did do that one, lol

yesterday, by Tim Stone

Love too be a former teacher of the nominee and "liberal" Federalist Society-adjacent writing about how liberals should give this guy a chance!

quartata

4:48 PM

it,s worth repeting

Yuuki

> “I propose that the Democrats offer the following compromise: Each Senate Democrat will pledge either to vote yes for Judge Kavanaugh’s confirmation — or, if voting no, to first publicly name at least two clearly better candidates whom a Republican president might realistically have nominated instead (not an easy task),” Amar wrote.

“In exchange for this act of good will, Democrats will insist that Judge Kavanaugh answer all fair questions at his confirmation hearing.”

Tim Stone

Now @CNN is contacting all 100+ of our former staff and interns asking for dirt on me. Getting desperate! How can you ever trust such #fakenews?

Tweeted by Jim_Jordan on July 11, 2018 at 4:35 PM

lmfao

Yuuki

“In exchange for this act of good will, Democrats will insist that Judge Kavanaugh answer all fair questions at his confirmation hearing.”

Tim Stone

My dude

Surely you would want all of those people to vouch for you and sink the story

Yuuki

Oh, so in return for guaranteeing your confirmation, you'll do the thing you were supposed to do anyways?

Tim Stone

4:51 PM

"omg they're doing reporting!!1on1o1n1one"

Fluttershy

Economists at the Federal Reserve now predict the GOP tax cuts may not boost the economy at all, instead just lavishing corporate shareholders with riches. https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018/07/10/tax-law-may-stimulate-economy-less-than-expected-or-maybe-not-at-all-s-f-fed-economists-say/

Tweeted by TopherSpiro on July 10, 2018 at 3:50 PM

sarcasticallysurprisedkirk.png

Tim Stone

The heir to the Koch empire killed a child after running a red light when he was 16. He was sentenced to community service and told to pay for the funeral. That is some feudal society shit. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/koch-family-brothers-children_us_5b43f2fae4b048036ea1901b

Tweeted by JHWeissmann on July 11, 2018 at 1:32 PM

Yuuki

@TimStone I feel like this is an insult to Prince William.

Besides, he's not a Prince William analogue if his father and uncle run the business.

He'd be a Prince William analogue if his grandmother has been running the business since time immemorial and his father never got anywhere close.

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone HARSH SENTENCE AT THE TIME?!

user15026

@TimStone fuck. Just....fuck.

Tim Stone

4:55 PM

LOL ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

The article is talking about the story on the left, and then over to the right we have...Ah, well

Yuuki

@TimStone Look, we can reduce violent crime if we just don't call it violent crime in the first place.

taps head

murgatroid99

I just have to say that I think it's important to consider that he was a juvenile at the time, and that generally having lighter sentences for juvenile offenses is a good thing

Unionhawk

@quartata this is literally the "Socialist: late capitalism has created a moral rot that pervades our entire society Neoliberal: imagine if we monetized the rot" post

Tim Stone

Separately, Judge Ellis has ordered US Marshal's to bring Manafort to court in Alexandria, Va., on July 25th - suggesting he will deny any motion to move the case to Roanoake or to start it in the autumn. https://twitter.com/johnson_carrie/status/1017091415204159491

Tweeted by johnson_carrie on July 11, 2018 at 5:02 PM

fredley

@TimStone 100 hours of community service, for killing someone by dangerous driving?

The land of the (get out of jail) free

Tim Stone

5:04 PM

@murgatroid99 I mean that's true, but to see zero jail time for manslaughter seems weird?

fredley

Also only suspended from driving for one year? That's ridiculous

murgatroid99

@TimStone Honestly, I don't know. I have no idea what sentences juvenile defendants have received in other (vehicular) manslaughter cases. It does seem lenient, but I don't have a frame of reference

Unionhawk

I think a similar (but not quite the same) case was Ethan Couch, who was sentenced to probation on four counts of intoxication manslaughter (he then violated that probation and saw 720 days)

That would be your apples-to-almost-apples comparison in that 2 rich white kids still so I'm sure uh, people get tried as adults all the time

so

On the other hand we should hopefully be hoping for this direction? I guess?

In practice it feels like an injustice for these assholes to be out of jail but

Tim Stone

I mean in Chase's case he'd have been out a long time ago anyway, so

murgatroid99

5:23 PM

@Unionhawk My point was more that I don't know what the sentencing guidelines are for that crime

Unionhawk

If the prosecutor said that was harsh, than probably around that

honestly

@TimStone my opinion on whether or not it feels like an injustice for Chase Koch to not be in jail stands

me: abolish prisons, also me: ^

Tim Stone

@TimStone I should have mentioned to be sure to click thru for the embedded tweet too because lol @ Manafort

It is impressively bad that he can't even avoid self-owning while in jail, a place where you should probably start to reflect on how badly you might have self-owned

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk So, I don't know if I'm misunderstanding. Are you saying that you think he was sentenced according to existing sentencing guidelines, but also that his sentence was unusually lenient specifically because his father was rich?

Tim Stone

No he's just saying he should be in jail for other Koch-related reasons I think

Unionhawk

Well, that, but also more along the lines of there tends to be a racialized component to prosecutors deciding to upgrade charges to adult

Tim Stone

5:29 PM

Ah, yeah, also true

Unionhawk

Which, may or may not have been as much of a factor in the math decade

murgatroid99

Personal opinion: charges should never be upgraded to adult

Unionhawk

Yes

It still feels like an injustice for Ethan Couch to be some kid who made a mistake, but for others to be actually they're 16 that's basically adult

murgatroid99

The way I see it, the injustice is with the other cases, not with that one

Unionhawk

even though we should strive for the first in all cases, the instinct is to go "actually why is this kid even presented an opportunity to flee to mexico"

Tim Stone

5:32 PM

lol yeah I still can't believe that didn't add to the charges

This quote from one analyst: 'Where does this take us, it takes us to the end of NATO, the end of the WTO, and we’ll have to see, but possibly the end of the European Union' https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1017094802196848642

Tweeted by RamCNN on July 11, 2018 at 5:30 PM

Alright this time the experts actually better be wrong, otherwise whew

Unionhawk

@TimStone it did because that was the entire charge that sent him to jail

Probation violation

Tim Stone

Oh, right, fair

I have some shocking news about the alt-right's pizza of choice

Unionhawk

No you don't

Tim Stone

I apologise since it's a Forbes link

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone not shocking

and i thought they kicked him out a while ago

Tim Stone

5:36 PM

He stepped down as CEO but I guess he still has stake?

The article has details on how this all came about, with him trying to maneuver back into the spotlight

It actually inexplicably gets worse than him just using that word

NJ Gov Phil Murphy is not endorsing Cuomo over Nixon. "I have a fair amount of interaction, as you can imagine, with Gov. Cuomo, and our teams have a fair amount of interaction together,” Murphy said. “That’s one we’re going to observe and stay out of.” https://newjerseyglobe.com/governor/murphy-wont-endorse-cuomo/

Tweeted by ShaneGoldmacher on July 10, 2018 at 8:37 PM

lol "F it, Jersey out"

GodEmperorDune

> “There is a German saying that goes ‘A blind chicken finds corn once in a while,’” said Liesenhoff. “He has found some corn.”

this i guess is the german equivalent of "a broken clock is right twice a day"

but i just love the imagery of trump being a blind chicken

Tim Stone

Speaking of that I was watching Nailed It, a baking-fail contestant show on Netflix, and one episode they have to make a Trump-bust cake and ooooooh boy

user15026

5:52 PM

@TimStone I love that show, but I haven't seen that one yet :P

Tim Stone

Some of the things have me laughing and part of me feels so bad but the other part of me is like "What in the world??"

Yuuki

> Schnatter also reflected on his early life in Indiana, where, he said, people used to drag African-Americans from trucks until they died. He apparently intended for the remarks to convey his antipathy to racism

uhhh

Tim Stone

They have such a short period of time though so it's just a hard task regardless

@Yuuki YEP

Yuuki

@TimStone Just make a giant Cheeto piece.

Unionhawk

,,,,xd

Tim Stone

5:55 PM

@Yuuki They all tried it just uhhh

Yeah

user15026

@TimStone saaaame

GodEmperorDune

6:24 PM

This thread explains the arenanet mess in a more articulate way than I did. It’s a bit long.

So, because it seems a lot of people are having trouble with it, I'm going to talk about Jessica Price and ArenaNet.

Tweeted by beaglerush on July 11, 2018 at 2:18 PM

Yuuki

> A content creator ("ArenaNet Partner"), Deroir, took the opportunity to contradict her and say "It's actually not that hard, just do this."

Did he actually say that?

Because based on what I've heard, that's not what he said nor how he said it.

And if he didn't say that, then I'm tuning out of this thread one tweet in.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki then i shall jump to the important part

A frightening amount of people seem to believe if you wrap things up in a polite container anything you say is automatically polite and constructive. That civility and polite mannerisms are the style that overrule any substance. If it's not already obvious, I disagree with that.

Tweeted by beaglerush on July 11, 2018 at 2:36 PM in reply to beaglerush

Yuuki

A frightening amount of people also seem to believe that you can pull whatever gut reaction you want out of a comment and it really doesn't matter if the original person actually was being polite.

Point is, this whole thing is messy and it's doing nothing but enforce "Twitter is hell on earth" to me and everyone who uses Twitter is better off staring at whitespace.

GodEmperorDune

I am not saying her replies were 'polite'. I'm not saying Price is an angel. I'm saying she doesn't fucking have to be. She's a human being. That's not me saying she's flawed and made mistakes; it's me saying she doesn't have to suck your dick for you to treat her like a human.

Tweeted by beaglerush on July 11, 2018 at 3:39 PM in reply to beaglerush

Yuuki

Whatever, this whole thing's been a mess.

GodEmperorDune

6:34 PM

the larger thread goes into EXACTLY how deroir's stuff was passive agressive and not to be taken at face value

Yuuki

Yes, Reddit is a terrible place and no, Price didn't deserve to get fired.

@GodEmperorDune Maybe I'm looking at the wrong posts, but the larger thread uses other people's comments (on Twitter and Reddit) to extrapolate that Deroir was being passive-aggressive.

murgatroid99

@Yuuki Reddit is more like a lot of nearby places, some of which are terrible

Yuuki

That's like me saying you're a jerk because Trump's a jerk.

GodEmperorDune

His initial comments are not, as he later claims, him trying to start a conversation. He is not asking "what do you think of this?" "why doesn't <x> work?" or "could <x> fix the problem?". He is *telling* her, not talking to her. He comes, he explains to her, he wraps up & leaves

Tweeted by beaglerush on July 11, 2018 at 2:42 PM in reply to beaglerush

Understand - a man who is a popular YouTuber and streamer is *telling* a dev with 10 years of experience how to do her job better. He is not creating a conversation. He is giving her an explanation.

Tweeted by beaglerush on July 11, 2018 at 2:43 PM in reply to beaglerush

And he caps it off with "Nonetheless, I appreciate the insightful thread!", which in this context means "But hey, thanks for your input!" You may have heard of a term called mansplaining. This is what it looks like.

Tweeted by beaglerush on July 11, 2018 at 2:44 PM in reply to beaglerush

Wipqozn

I gotta be honest, I feel like this conversation is going to go no where good. Frankly no one here can really talk about what the intent behind deroir post was, only they can, and I don't think getting into another debate on that is going to lead anywhere productive.

Unionhawk

6:40 PM

...

what

@Wipqozn In our harassment grievance policy, we include the language "intent or effect" in order to address "well I didn't MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN to" which I think is a good principle to apply here. Frankly, I'm completely uninterested in reading minds.

Yuuki

On the one hand, "intent or effect" means people can't get away scot-free with an insincere and/or untruthful explanation. But also means that people who make genuine mistakes are punished when a "here's what you did wrong and why" would be all that suffices.

But depending on the group, the proportion of people who make actual mistakes versus the proportion of bad faith actors varies and with a group such as DSA that's assumed to be more socially aware than the average person, the number of people who don't actually understand the issues is probably low.

Unionhawk

it's still discretionary but the definition is not

it's not like they banned him forever or anything

Yuuki

6:57 PM

Some of this just feels like an attempt to characterize Deroir as a "bad guy". Which feels odd to me. You can still rightly say Price was treated unfairly, that ArenaNet shouldn't have fired her, that this is yet another example of the sexism and discrimination inherent in the population. It just reads to me like they felt Price's replies weren't really defensible and so they had to basically say "well, the other guy's just as bad".

Wipqozn

I really think we should move on to a different topic of conversation. This has already been discussed a few times, both here and the bridge, and I don't think this is going to lead anywhere new.

This topic has already caused quite a bit of tension here, and I can already see it creating more.

Unionhawk

-gamergate

Yuuki

@Unionhawk Really not the capstone we needed. In the interest of moving the conversation, we can talk about the NATO summit.

Apparently Trump is upping his defense spending claim/argument/whatever to 4% of GDP?

He's really bad at this. I'm pretty sure not an insignificant number of people who normally vehemently disagree with Trump were on board with telling the rest of the NATO members to devote 2% of GDP to defense spending.

And he's probably lost most of them by doubling it.

user15026

@Unionhawk This....is not helpful.

user15026

@Yuuki so he's saying everyone has to spend that?

Yuuki

7:12 PM

@Ash Pretty much.

To be honest, I felt that there was merit in pushing the other NATO members to increase defense spending to 2% of GDP. It's what everyone agreed on and so everyone should do that. But now unilaterally claiming that everyone should spend double of that?

Uncalled for and absolutely unnecessary.

user15026

But if we don't spend all the money to defend our borders....then how will we keep the undesirables out

Yuuki

Well, defense spending is usually considered separate from border security.

So if Spain, for example, increased funding for border security, it wouldn't be considered part of their defense spending obligations, IIRC.

Huh. TIL that there's never been an American who held the post of NATO Secretary General and 10 of the 16 Deputy Secretary Generals have been Italian.

> Because NATO's chief military officer, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe, is traditionally an American, the Secretary General has traditionally been a European.

Ah, that's why.

Wipqozn

The Guardian: Donald Trump tells Nato allies to spend 4% of GDP on defence.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/11/donald-trump-tells-nato-allies-to-spend-4-of-gdp-on-defence

Relevant article

Yuuki

I know we all know this, but that's another reminder that Trump doesn't actually want anything out of NATO other than to get rid of it.

GodEmperorDune

7:40 PM

"He didn't recognize me," the mother said. After months apart, some migrant children don't remember their parents.They call for the social worker who cared for them in shelter. My latest - w @itscaitlinhd @ktbenner @nixonron @MannyNYT @KirkSemple https://nyti.ms/2NFtRMc

Tweeted by mirjordan on July 11, 2018 at 4:37 AM

Love state sponsored child abuse

Tim Stone

7:55 PM

@Yuuki (it's worth noting that we don't even do that, we're like 3.5/6%)

joke shot / actual chaser

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone i don't think you can sue the SCOTUS if you don't like the decision

otherwise republicans would've done that with obamacare or the lgbt marriage decisions

Tim Stone

Look don't let a little thing like facts stand in his way of desperately showing he's hip like Cynthia Nixon

Yuuki

Someone should bring up the point that if SCOTUS overturns Roe v. Wade, that doesn't just mean the government can declare abortion illegal, it means that the government can just as easily also mandate abortion.

GodEmperorDune

@Yuuki it's been widely pointed out that the govt can only outlaw legal, easily accessible abortion for poor people

Unionhawk

s/can/does

GodEmperorDune

8:03 PM

rich people can hop on a plane to fly to where it's legal

@Unionhawk fair, but even moreso if roe goes away

Yuuki

What I meant was that it should be made clear that overturning Roe v. Wade should not been seen as a "pro-life" position.

Tim Stone

lolololol

@Unionhawk remember how mad you were that the DC city council was trying to kill 77?

A NEW CONTENDER HAS APPEARED

U.S. Rep. @MarkMeadows, who chairs a Congressional subcommittee w/ power over D.C. spending, is trying to block the city from implementing Initiative 77 to raise the tipped minimum wage: https://amendments-rules.house.gov/amendments/MEADOW_154_xml71118090350350.pdf

Tweeted by FenitN on July 11, 2018 at 6:25 PM

Unionhawk

ah right democracy is twice the sham in DC as it is anywhere else

Tim Stone

Now the entirety of DC will have to support it or I'm coming to take their license plates

Unionhawk

you know for all this country's flaws at least we have the power to score wins against the hegemonic forces of capitalism through the power of voting

oh, what's that? no we don't? understandable have a nice day

Tim Stone

8:08 PM

US Border Patrol accuses NYC mayor of crossing border illegally: http://hill.cm/GxpYQ6e

Tweeted by thehill on July 11, 2018 at 8:07 PM

Yuuki

> It claims that de Blasio and his security detail violated Mexican and U.S. immigration laws by crossing the border on foot while the mayor made a visit near El Paso, Texas.

Tim Stone

Ah yes this seems like something you would want to create a scene about, at this very moment, given the utter inconsequentialness

Yuuki

Boy, do I have a story for you, Border Patrol.

Tim Stone

Inconsequentiality? Something

It's dumb as hell, is my point

Yuuki

It might surprise you to hear, Mr. Border Patrol Person, but it's basically a rite of passage for every Texan to go to some national or state park on the border and hop around the Rio Grande.

Tim Stone

8:11 PM

So earlier when Trump attacked Germany there was video footage in which John Kelly looked really pissed that Trump was going rogue in the stupidest way possible

Sarah Sanders has helpfully cleared this up

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said General John Kelly "was displeased because he was expecting a full breakfast and there were only pastries and cheese." https://wapo.st/2KOr0Tq

Tweeted by washingtonpost on July 11, 2018 at 7:47 PM in reply to washingtonpost

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone HUE

Tim Stone

throws a table

WHERE ARE MY EGGS DAMNIT?

GodEmperorDune

love to smooth over a diplomatic incident by blaming the hospitality

Yuuki

@GodEmperorDune too*

GodEmperorDune

autoocorrect

Tim Stone

8:17 PM

This has to be one of the more absurd things she's said

Like pretending he wasn't upset about Trump is one thing but expecting us to buy that this was the reason is just mind explodes

8th former wrestler comes forward, alleging that Jim Jordan was aware of sexual abuse by the OSU wrestling team's doctor because he personally told Jordan about the abuse. "He's sitting here and directly lying," the wrestler said. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/another-wrestler-jordan-snickered-told-about-abuse

Tweeted by kylegriffin1 on July 11, 2018 at 3:20 PM

rubs hands together I have a sincere feeling those coaches who were like "WE WERE THERE AND DEFINITELY NOTHING AT ALL HAPPENED" are going to regret sticking their necks out and they deserve everything coming to them

Literally all Jordan had to do was apologise for not taking things more seriously. He could have even said he didn't remember the events clearly! But alas, the dumb set in

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone yeah, even trudeau was like "i don't remember" on his metoo stuff

Unionhawk

at least paterno was pretty much senile when that was a thing

Tim Stone

@GodEmperorDune Yeah, which is not great! But if you weren't even the person doing the act, given that we're barely holding people accountable now, simply apologising for not doing better in the past is usually sufficient!

(from a PR point of view, not from the victims' perspective possibly)

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone sad but true

Tim Stone

But nah asserting the wrestlers are part of the deep state is a much better approach I'm sure sips coffee Let's see how this plays out

Pa. Supreme Court justices got nearly $180K in donations from law firms in clergy abuse case, records show. http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2018/07/11/Pa-Supreme-Court-justices-got-nearly-180K-in-donations-from-law-firms-in-clergy-abuse-case-records-show/stories/201807110162

Tweeted by Mmckinne17 on July 11, 2018 at 7:56 PM

Why...why did they get any donations from anyone? 🤔

GodEmperorDune

8:30 PM

@TimStone yeah what do they use it for, not like they have re-elections

oh this is Pennsylvania supreme court, where they do have elections

Tim Stone

Delaware needs to Do Better in a lot of areas but we'll hopefully get around to that now that the Old Guard is retiring but I'm thinking we may have to just annex PA, they really don't have their shit together

@GodEmperorDune I legitimately did not know that they had elections for the PA Supreme Court until now

I refer back to my above comment >_>

GodEmperorDune

@TimStone it was like first graff

Tim Stone

Right, I meant prior to this article :P

GodEmperorDune

ah gotcha

Mad Scientist

Elections for judges just sound like such a bad idea

Yuuki

8:34 PM

Fun fact, judicial elections originated as a reform measure.

GodEmperorDune

there the people go, messing everything up ;)

Yuuki

tl;dr there used to be a lot of corruption and malfeasance in judicial appointments

Tim Stone

@MadScientist Having your state be on fire continuously for the past century or so is also a bad idea but Pennsylvania's done that too

GodEmperorDune

(wait what is the emoji for one eye and tongue out)

Yuuki

I mean, there still is now but for different reasons.

And possibly not as much.

user15026

8:40 PM

@GodEmperorDune ;P maybe?

GodEmperorDune

@Ash maybe that's it, it looks much better on twitter

Unionhawk

@GodEmperorDune 😜

Mad Scientist

@TimStone they really don't give a fuck anymore, not that they ever truly did. But there's not even a hint of a plausible explanation in there anymore, it's entirely absurd. The scary thing is that this doesn't seem to matter at all

Tim Stone

9:06 PM

Yeah :/

A @DemSocialists-backed candidate beat a self-funder in Montgomery County, so a centrist Dem is running as an independent, potentially spoiling the race for her party. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/nancy-floreen-to-run-for-montgomery-county-executive-as-an-independent/2018/07/11/68b37ff8-8506-11e8-8f6c-46cb43e3f306_story.html?utm_term=.84edf45509c8

Tweeted by daveweigel on July 11, 2018 at 6:00 PM

Someone please locate my eyes as they have rolled out of my head

Yuuki

> Keith Haller, a political pollster and analyst who is based in Montgomery, said Floreen’s candidacy is a rare opportunity for independent voters to have a say in who becomes their top elected official, a decision usually made during the Democratic primary.

... any political analyst worth their salt knows about the spoiler effect

GodEmperorDune

@DylanSheaMusic Please consider this a commitment that I will fund fixing the water in any house in Flint that has water contamination above FDA levels. No kidding.

Tweeted by elonmusk on July 11, 2018 at 8:52 PM in reply to DylanSheaMusic

Yuuki

Also, that article needs to include some more location information.

quartata

lmao

only after it being phrased like a challenge

Yuuki

Because there's more than one Montgomery County in the US.

GodEmperorDune

9:14 PM

@quartata to be fair, he did donate 2k or so to flint already after being asked nicely on twitter

and tbh if he just pays the money and flint residents get good water, win win

kinda shitty that their taxes and water usage fees don't already cover the safe water but that's a separate issue

Tim Stone

9:34 PM

The recently pardoned Hammond men have returned to Burns, OR in a private plane owned by Lucas Oil Products dba Lucas Cattle Co.. According to one of the 3%ers involved in the Malheur takeover, Forrest Lucas (Protect the Harvest) provided material support to the militants.

Tweeted by jjmacnab on July 11, 2018 at 9:18 PM

Ahhh :|

(per the thread, Lucas is buddies with Pence 🤷🏼‍♂️)

GodEmperorDune

9:47 PM

3%er?

is that a nazi thing?

Yuuki

They're not rich enough to be 1%ers?

quartata

not really

3 Percenters

The Three Percenters (also styled 3%ers and III%ers) is an American paramilitary group whose members pledge protestation and armed resistance against attempts to curtail constitutional rights, namely the Second Amendment. The organization's credo depicts a tyrannical US Federal Government, and has been characterized as being ideologically similar to the Oath Keepers.The group's name is derived from the claim that only three percent of the population of the Thirteen Colonies fought against the Kingdom of Great Britain during the American Revolution. Approximately 375,000 people out of the 2.5 million...

other end of the social spectrum

GodEmperorDune

@quartata oh these are the far right militias

quartata

yeah but they're crazy libertarians not crazy authoritarians

both suck ass but

Yuuki

@quartata Pretty ironic that they're teaming up with authoritarians though.

quartata

9:53 PM

well of course

you think ancap is self-consistent????

ha

HA

ha

etc.

GodEmperorDune

wait these dudes are ancap too?

Tim Stone

NEW: Bill Shine's wife Darla had a radio show on 100 stations where he said women in the military should expect sexual harassment, said sunscreen was "a hoax," said vaccines cause autism, and claimed the flu pandemic should be a government conspiracy. https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/11/politics/kfile-darla-shine-radio-show/index.html

Tweeted by KFILE on July 11, 2018 at 9:49 PM

Racist nods, anti-vax nods, anti-feminist nods, sunscreen deniali…wait what?

Yuuki

Technically speaking, she's not wrong in that women in the military should expect sexual harassment. The problem is just leaving it there.

The problem is also not seeing it as a problem.

user15026

How is sunscreen a hoax

GodEmperorDune

@Ash its a plot by big sun

Transcript for