The Awkward Silence - 2018-06-28

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3:03 AM

@Catija You seem just like me

user15026

4:01 AM

@gparyani What do you mean?

Innately curious about the inner workings of the SE system.

user15026

Part of that is because as a mod you kinda need to know a lot of that stuff

The only thing preventing me from becoming a mod at this time is my attitude.

...and the fact that my most interesting site is Meta Stack Exchange, which has no community mods, you need to be an employee to moderate it.

As well as the fact that I "defected" from most experienced Meta users and sided with the inclusion project's kickstarter, which means that even if I had a great attitude and MSE had mod elections, I wouldn't have gotten elected.

user15026

4:19 AM

kickstarter?

Morning!

user15026

@gparyani I literally don't know what you mean here.

user15026

Like I follow al ot of MSE and the inclusion project specifically and I do not know what you are trying to say.

@Ash Guess you haven't caught up with all the ugly Tavern conversation at the time of the first blog post, and the kickstarter's Medium post. It was quite divisive.

You know, the initial denial stage.

user15026

@gparyani shrug I am not sure what those have to with your moderation potential

4:30 AM

@Ash Not that...I was referring to my likelihood of being elected there (should elections exist there)

3-4 people in chat don't amount to a hill of beans in an election, @gparyani. Most of the time, elections are won based on Mod score and determined by hundreds of voters who don't even read mod questionnaires. I'm also highly doubtful that they'd ever run an election on MSE. I'm guessing (if they ever went that direction) any non-staff mods there would be appointed.

user15026

Oh, wait, this is all based on a couple people's opinions in chat?

user15026

Yeaaaaaah, that hardly decides an election

user15026

And yeah, I strongly suspect that considering MSE is effectively SE's public face, if they'd ever consider nonCM mods...theyd want to be hella careful who they chose and not leave it up to the unwashed masses

(continued on Tavern on the Meta starting here)

user15026

4:44 AM

I don't know why you moved the conversation, I am not sure why it's still going on, to be honest

user15026

I am not sure telling people to move rooms makes sense (especially with the "different chat server" annoyances there)

user15026

I should head to bed anyhow, it's late and I have had a long day

@Ash Moved back.

@Ash It was Meta-related, so I thought I should talk there. (Not a justification; just responding to the "why" question; see interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/14228/…)

user15026

Alright.

@Ash Goodnight :)

4:51 AM

@Catija HDE has that record too.

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Journeyman Geek

6:17 AM

@Catija Some people are convinced its based on raw reputation ;p

@JourneymanGeek I'd say it's reputation, then candidate score, then personality

Journeyman Geek

I hope not, lol I like the illusion of popularity somewhere ;)

Though on smaller sites popularity and personality play a lot more of a role

Journeyman Geek

Well, SU is pretty big

If only ~300 people vote, then getting 20 or 30 people to vote for you because they're meta regulars and like you is a big deal

Journeyman Geek

6:19 AM

On the other hand, it was smaller a few years ago ;)

For instance in the most recent TWP election, there were only 495 votes.

Journeyman Geek

ah ya

so the ~10 chat regulars made up ~2% of the voter base

I always wondered... I thought TWP was a pretty big place... If a big site holds an election, how many people usually vote?

Journeyman Geek

Well, TWP probably has a lot of HNQ effect

as does IPS

6:22 AM

> 4,984 voters were eligible, 1,963 visited the site during the election, 983 visited the election page, and 496 voted

Journeyman Geek

superuser.com/election

Surprisingly few

> 27,977 voters were eligible, 8,711 visited the site during the election, 3,697 visited the election page, and 1,887 voted

@Magisch So just under 10 percent? I think if that were a reallife election results would've been invalidated due to not enough people voting :P

turnout is always super low compared to real life elections

@Tinkeringbell Mind you only a small % of people who answer enough to be eligible actually care for meta and assorted shenanigans

Yeah, I guess you're right :)

Before they put elections in the sidebar and gave everyone inbox notifications elections were basicly decided by meta incumbents

6:25 AM

Hmmm... I always tend to forget how much of a newbie I actually am here on SE XD

For instance, in the first SU election, only 4.6% of eligible voters voted.

Anytime someone say 'before this or that'... :P

> 4,566 voters were eligible, 505 visited the election, and 213 voted

@Magisch That's very super low

I'm also a noob on here, but I've read a lot of meta and backstory

6:26 AM

You've had an account here for over 2 years though... have you been active the entire time?

(my account is older, but I only started actually participating late July 2017)

I lurked for a couple of months I think

Even then :P I'm trying to catch up on meta anyway, I'll fix it XD

Journeyman Geek

main or IPS?

(protip, catching up on main meta is madness)

main :P I think I'm pretty up to speed on the IPS ones already ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell in between the great MSO/MSE migration and the sheer number of posts...

6:30 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm a glutton for punishment

Journeyman Geek

Its impossible ;p

I read a couple hundred main meta threads

Journeyman Geek

I just focus on how to find stuff I need - and work out what works with people ;)

Adjective: glutton (comparative more glutton, superlative most glutton)

Gluttonous; greedy; gormandizing.
(Can we date this quote?) Fuller:
A glutton monastery in former ages makes a hungry ministry in our days.

Noun: glutton (plural gluttons)

One who eats voraciously, obsessively, or to excess; a gormandizer.
Such a glutton would eat until his belly hurts.
(figuratively) One who consumes voraciously, obsessively, or to excess
c. 1860, Emily Dickinson, Hope is a subtle Glutton:
Hope is a subtle Glutton / He feeds upon the Fair
The wolverine, Gulo gulo, of the family Mustelidae, a carnivorous mammal about the size of a large badger, native to the northern parts of America, Europe, and Asia.

@JourneymanGeek Nothing is impossible XD

6:30 AM

@Tinkeringbell what is nothing? ;P

Lets just say I am trying to keep up with the important new stuff then

Journeyman Geek

MADNESS! META MADNESS!

@Tinkeringbell oh that's fine

(for those who don't know - MSE was MSO - until they renamed it and gave SO a 'regular' meta.)

and some stuff was moved

but not all

@JourneymanGeek I did know that! See, I am catching up :P

Journeyman Geek

and some important meta announcements got posted on meta so first.

It's complicated

and not consistent

Journeyman Geek

6:36 AM

Yup

Hence me occationally giving the poor CMs grief about no one caring about the rest of the network, lol

Its gotten better but...

Ah well... Right now I'm having fun figuring the chatroom on MSE out ;) And keeping track of the new questions, so I hopefully don't miss out on stuff :D

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell Its no different than any other chat

Other than the lack of awesome mod powers ;)

Maybe one day I'll be able to properly understand what the difference between a bug and statusbydesign is :)

Journeyman Geek

ah!

A bug is unintentional

@JourneymanGeek There's some interesting dynamics going on in there..

Journeyman Geek

6:38 AM

Status by design is intentional ;)

status-by-design is for features that people think are bugs or think are wrong

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell hmm

mse is its whole own ecosystem

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell there used to be a guy who changes names a lot who basically stalks the entire SE staff ;p

he is currently ragequat.

Other than that eh

Okay, so maybe someday I'll be able to say to myself, I haven't found a bug, this is supposed to work that way :P

Journeyman Geek

6:39 AM

fairly obvious? ;p

@Tinkeringbell hah.

I prefer old feature requests you forget about and happened ;)

Hah, but don't they change tags then? So you should stalk 'active' questions :P

Journeyman Geek

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Q: Have an option to watch a question without posting

I'd like to be able to keep track of a post that interests me, while not actually posting (since I have the same question, and nothing useful to actually add.) Since I can get email notification of my questions and answers, would it be possible to add a 'watch this topic' option somewhere?

feature-request status-completed

My first question might have resulted in being able to favourite questions ;)

you're that old? (I mean your time on SE)

I also stalk the SE staff, especially Shog

Journeyman Geek

@AJ joined SE shortly after SU came out of beta

6:43 AM

@JourneymanGeek 2010? Wow. I just started Uni at that time :P

Journeyman Geek

> Member for 8 years, 9 months

stalker is my middle name. (not here, but in the other room)

@JourneymanGeek Oh dear, you're about to hit SE puberty! :P

@Tinkeringbell I was in the college at that time

@Tinkeringbell hahaha

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell well, that's kinda partially why I know how the system works XD

I've seen a lot of change over time

On the other hand

6:47 AM

@JourneymanGeek really?

Journeyman Geek

I've also had the benefit of seeing how exactly that experience can lead me to misjudge things terribly XD

@AJ ya. Normal Human - and various other names

@JourneymanGeek ok got it.

there's a bunch of weirdness on MSE

There's also another user who followed their username and changed theirs accordingly

As well as a third who seems to refer to other users as characters from a certain well-known Sega video game franchise

@JourneymanGeek Really? :( I sometimes my feel my inexperience makes me mess up, and now you're telling me experience will make me mess up too? :P

Journeyman Geek

6:50 AM

lol

Well, I did make a few incorrect edits back in the Anonymous Editor days

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell in a sense - the 'rules' of SE are kind of a moving target

there's some immutable stuff

but what's on topic changes over time

as the uses we put the platform to

@Tinkeringbell I think as long as you're honestly trying and willing to admit mistakes you'll be fine

Journeyman Geek

I don't think Jeff envisioned something like IPS surviving on SE.

You're smart enough to make it work

Journeyman Geek

6:51 AM

And on SU, I was actually against banning software recs cause it would close off a broad class of questions (we worked around it)

In a sense though

we make use of the platform in whatever way we see fit

@JourneymanGeek within reason. there's a whole bunch of stuff staff won't let fly

Journeyman Geek

> there's some immutable stuff

Well, I hope I can keep up with changes then :P

@JourneymanGeek even that is currently moving, tbh

Journeyman Geek

Y'all have probably heard me liken the SE model of governance with Common Law ;)

6:53 AM

And get a good grasp on the immutable stuff :)

we're in the middle of a quite massive top down cultural shift on SE

@JourneymanGeek Nope, not yet :)

not sure where that'll lead for now

@JourneymanGeek I would more liken it to slightly anarchic benevolent dictatorship

Journeyman Geek

So, in the legal system of the former british colonies, the US included...

less racist and arbitrary then that

but yeah

Journeyman Geek

6:56 AM

You basically have two interlinked frameworks of law

There's statutes - akin to european civil law

but also case law

case law can never overrule statutes, but gives us a framework to interpret the rules as written

tl;dr stuff's complicated - consult your local meta person

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Journeyman Geek

So, stuff like the TOS, and more formal "handed from above" stuff isn't decided directly by the community

but often stuff like scope can change slightly over time based on the community's sentiment

SE has an additional layer of added complexity in that only case law actually accepted and known by the masses is actually enforced.

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch well yes and no

@Magisch best tldr ever

Journeyman Geek

6:58 AM

At least in my experience even mods sometimes might have different views on stuff

and a healthy site might have a mod going "hey, yanno, that might not be right" in private

@JourneymanGeek The overall system is called "common law"

Journeyman Geek

On the other hand, these rules are enforced in part by the community, and in part by mods

@JourneymanGeek right, and a lot of mods will feel hesitant to enforce something against community consensus

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch yup

7:18 AM

@Magisch Huh, mods feel that? :P

Guess I'm the chaos monkey :P

@JourneymanGeek that sounds a bit like the idea of 'the court of public opinion' being the highest court you can have... if enough people feel a rule is good/not good, it's likely to result in some kind of law change?

8:15 AM

@Tinkeringbell I think I was around 8 years old then

@Mithrandir mini-mith

@gparyani There was for a bit, but it was rolled back because it was causing issues. So... no, as of now.

@ExtrovertedMainMan I actually like this question

@Mithrandir Did it manage to score one of those superrare mithical upvotes?

It did!

8:30 AM

\o/

We have English Student already and now Physics Student. :P

@PhysicsStudent Hello! o/

I haven't seen English in ages though... are they still active?

Hi :)

@Tinkeringbell yup me neither

@Mithrandir If one forgets to put "S" in the word "closest", it will be a friend like that character from Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.

@Mithrandir You got a bike from SE? O.o ;-P

Journeyman Geek

9:16 AM

@Tinkeringbell yup

@AJ oh don't i wish

Journeyman Geek

and us mods being more inquisitorial - we investigate , and decide on the facts and the action ;p

@JourneymanGeek insert judge dredd meme

Journeyman Geek

hah

We hardly ever execute anyone ;)

It's funny, my mental image of you is still the dog

I wonder how much it influenced my opinion of you, even if subconsciously

Journeyman Geek

9:25 AM

;p

Hah, Its been going on for years ;)

the dog is outwardly friendly and looks benevolent

Journeyman Geek

Don't forget, most of my intereaction with folks on RA is in character

@JourneymanGeek But technically, we could change that, according to your reasoning? :)

I actually think there's a huge effect there

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell well, in many cases we do have reasons to delete accounts.

9:27 AM

@Magisch It might also explain why I know of at least two other mods running around with dogs as avatars? ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell I might have been the original ;)

idk you're a parrot so you continue the animal trend

Is that friendly though? Or should I pick something a little more cuddly?

What vibe does a parrot give off?

noisy and cute

maybe not what you want

Well, I am noisy in a sense that I do chat a lot :P

9:28 AM

every animal avatar is cute though

Hmmm... I can think of a few that might not be :P But let's not get into that ;)

I guess parrot fits me :)

idk how I got to anthrophomorphic cactus

@Magisch Well, you don't like to be touched? ;)

But you're not a robot either, you still have something of humanity inside :P

I just realised it's kinda fun to go all Freudian on avatars ;)

@Tinkeringbell and some mods use their kids' avatars. ;)

I guess the metaphor is apt - I have accidentally shoved or hit people who touched me before

Journeyman Geek

9:33 AM

@AJ Its whatever works? ;p

much like a cactus who doesn't necessarily want to prick you but if you touch it ....

ಠ_ಠ

@Magisch Actually, there are some ways to handle a cactus (I had to learn at the garden center, because often people wanted their cacti in specific pots). One of them is to wear gloves, but some species have their needles in such a way that you can handle them bare-handed (granted, those were often the bigger ones with enough room between needles to put your fingers in between...)

@Tinkeringbell *sets this as my avatar and lets you puzzle that one out*

@Mithrandir Please go see a professional? :P

9:44 AM

@Tinkeringbell aka get out of here?

@Mithrandir really

why are you posting P&F's pics here?

:P

10:35 AM

@AJ metacommuniciation ;)

> I'd love to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.

@AJ I want GH write access to that source code

Journeyman Geek

meh

Just fork it

lol

Journeyman Geek

and make a better world

10:44 AM

remove the mosquito class and its subclasses

@Magisch that might lead to some bugs though :)

ha-

only a ha-?

I was aiming higher with that joke :D

@Tinkeringbell I guess we have to guess the last letter.

the other ha got cut due to production budget

10:53 AM

Is it Hat?

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: How to frame a big favor?

I'm very bad at networking. I don't feel comfortable asking people for favors. Currently I need to contact a former boss and ask him whether, well to put it bluntly, he would like me back. I left him for a new position, but now, after several months, feel I made a mistake. As I'm really bad at ...

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@Magisch Ah. Maybe there's some opensource 'ha' you can use? :P

You don't have to reinvent the wheel class.

2 hours later…

12:29 PM

@Tinkeringbell other Scandinavian pop groups are available

abba?

who is abba? looks like a palindrome string. :P

@RoryAlsop if you did mean abba, you managed to unhinge my brain :P I did have a cd with Dutch covers of some of their songs, and I now don't know where it is!

Of course, now I can't properly concentrate and my evening will be ruined looking for that cd.

Well, you started with Aha...

Abba seems a reasonable next step :-)

Ahaaahaaahahaaa (if I had a little money) :P

12:37 PM

Both bands are still playing. Aha still has its original members

I think I know more abba songs ;) The Aha sounds familiar, but I can't think of any songs on the top of my head

Take On Me was their huge chart topper

@RoryAlsop Ohhh.. that I know! :D

1:06 PM

Hi @Rainbacon ! What's up lately?

Hi @Tinkeringbell, I've been pretty busy at work the last 2 months. What's new with you?

@Rainbacon New project, getting the hang of it. Right now, I'm looking into Subversion because it's taking too long to wait for the project to be in Gitlab (they're switching from SVN to Git and I was advised to wait and see whether I could maybe start in Git right away).

There's some confusing language there, and the tool they're using makes things even less transparant.

What've you been busy with? Nice project?

It's ok, but the client hasn't really supported us that well

@Rainbacon Oh ouch... that's probably also part of why you're so busy then? ;)

1:24 PM

Yeah, for the first month we didn't have a product owner, so we had to gather all the requirements ourselves

Hahaha... I'd have picked the ones I liked and left the rest :P

I wish I could have

Finally back in the office...I hate working from home but I was between cars for over a month.

Hey, that means you have a new one now :)

I forgot how much I hate wearing pants.

Yep, got it two days ago, and got all the paperwork done yesterday!

1:37 PM

Finally!

@TheTinyMan Then don't wear pants to the office :P

@Tinkeringbell I won't if you don't! We should agree on a worldwide no-pants-to-the-office day! This should become a movement!

@TheTinyMan That's... kinda easy for me? :P

hmm

touche

I actually asked about kilts on my first day

the HR rep was not pro-kilt :-(

@TheTinyMan Maybe you can circumvent it by wearing a regular skirt? :P

With a kilt print :)

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: How to deal with someone who is critical of my perceived lack of work?

Background I am currently working as a temporary student intern at an automotive company's part depot doing jobs for the customer service department there, including updating processes and creating a new employee training manual (my main tasks), along with other small jobs that are assigned to m...

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1:40 PM

There's a saying, that I'm confident is entirely wrong, that the difference between a kilt and a skirt is that a skirt is worn with something beneath it. If that's true, then maybe! ;-)

hmm

I might have strayed too far into NSFW-ish territory

took me a whole 10 minutes, I'm moving slowly today :-p

Hmmm... I'll tolerate it. But just this once!

Next time, I'm definitely expecting quicker progress...

Guess I'll have to never do that again, huh?

@TheTinyMan ಠ_ಠ

Oh, haha

Oh hi, smokedetector :)

1:41 PM

Does someone log in as SmokeDetector now or did it not like something I said? :-P

You probably triggered it.

It probably showed up when you said NSFW

smokey sometimes becomes sentient and scares us

Well I for one am fully on the side of our AI overlords

You're only saying that because they are currently here

1:43 PM

Nope

If they weren't currently here they could trawl through our history anyways :-)

In less time than it'd take us to render the transcript to our screens. ;-)

...but fine, that was me

@Mithrandir That's not really a secret... you're the only one that regularly posts that lenny face thing

And that's the other reason that I support our AI overlords! :-) The programmers will be the most useful people in the AI-run society! ;-)

@Tinkeringbell I happen to like it, but it actually doesn't render on my laptop :P

@Mithrandir Then why post it? :P

1:49 PM

@Tinkeringbell Maybe he thinks of others and isn't entirely selfish! :o

@TheTinyMan Hahaha :) Well, I guess I owe Mith a thank you then :)

2:10 PM

@TheTinyMan ...Then, what do you wear?

@Sid I can draw you a diagram?

Although, lately? Mostly gym shorts, sometimes accompanied by a bathrobe if I'm feeling uncommonly modest.

@TheTinyMan ..No. Thanks. :P

2:27 PM

@Sid That's probably for the best, no one wants to see my drawing.

... I kind of want to draw it now, just to see if I can make it recognizable. I'll bet 40% of viewers could identify what I was trying to draw, if I drew that.

No, no, wait, not if I added the robe.

@TheTinyMan go on. Try.

2:47 PM

After 20 minutes of work, I present to you... my work-from-home uniform, a robe, and gym shorts, with something under the gym shorts! :-P (drawn on my phone with my stylus, robe sash added in GIMP on my PC when I remembered that I forgot it after transferral)

user image

I feel like "robe" is not communicated well, nor that the shorts are gym shorts. :-P

3:12 PM

no idea of the context, but u are a graphician, arent you??? :O

practicing making compliments :P

3:55 PM

Sure am! :-P

Extroverted Main Man

4:15 PM

0

Q: Asking "Bros" to quit shouting in a bar

I've been making a more conscious effort to work on my social skills lately. Particularly soft skills dealings with random people in public places. My shrink recommended that I do the obvious thing, "Go out in public, and do something that you enjoy doing, while making an honest effort to interac...

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4:53 PM

@TheTinyMan hahah nice :)

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5:30 PM

@Tinkeringbell So can you tell what clothing that's meant to depict any at all? xD

@TheTinyMan Sure, since you provided a description. You kinda look like a weird wizard :P

That seems to fit me I think. xD

Extroverted Main Man

0

Q: How to influence someone to stop a behavior

I have a casual relationship with a girl, and sometimes she sends me print-screens of her conversations with other guys. There's no romantic content whatsoever, or any content that bothers me, but just the fact that she sends it to me feels weird and is not something I like. I don't want to scold...

Extroverted Main Man

5:56 PM

0

Q: How to refuse an invitation without offending good friends?

We have long-time friends, a married couple. We don't see them very often, maybe four to five times a year. Two of the opportunities to meet them are their birthday parties. During these "parties" 10-12 guests sit around a table, eat and drink and make small-talk. Our Problem: My wife an I fee...

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0

Q: How can I make a lazy/busy person respond to my email?

Imagine I sent an email with a question to a person working in the UK in an organisation with relaxed work standards. Technically it is his responsibility to reply but in reality I can only beg for his answer. And the email is nor answered after few days. What would be a template for a first re...

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6:15 PM

Is SE being slow for anyone else right now?

Yep!

We're investigating an issue. Next update in 30 minutes.

Tweeted by StackStatus on June 28, 2018 at 6:12 PM

Ahh glad to know it's not just me. Thanks Tink!

You're welcome :)

6:33 PM

@scohe001 should be fixed now ;)

http://StackOverflow.com (and related network sites) are back and functional. We apologize for the interruption in service.

Tweeted by StackStatus on June 28, 2018 at 6:32 PM in reply to StackStatus

Ahh it just started feeling faster too

You really have your ear to the ground on this stuff

@scohe001 I'm in about three other chatrooms now as well, in two of which this just got shared XD

Extroverted Main Man

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Q: Re-establishing friendship long after fight

I tried searching on and off for a couple days to find a question like this and much to my surprise, I was unable to find one. I found a couple about contacting old friends, but they make no mention of a fight. Or they mention lack of communication after a fight. In this specific case, the comm...

friends conflicts

Busy night... 4? 5? questions in a row?

6:48 PM

@Tinkeringbell the only thing I can think of here is "Gal-pal," which I feel like should never be used ever :P

user15026

@scohe001 Considering that at least on Twitter, gal pal is used to indicate a lesbian relationship that the media just views as "close friendship", I'm not sure it works either :P

@scohe001 Hahaha... I think female friend is the most accurate description in English. Dutch has the same stuff though... you either have a vriend (male) or vriendin (female), and both can be used for just friends and partners...

@Ash Aaaaaand there's my one thing I've learned for the day

Thanks for the catch there Ash :)

user15026

@scohe001 Glad to help :P

@Tinkeringbell Huh. Maybe I'm just pronouncing it wrong in my head, but "vriend" looks like it'd sound just like "friend." Coincidence?

6:53 PM

@scohe001 Wrong... it sounds different, the 'v' is softer than the 'f'... and 'ie' is different too. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Nl-vriend.ogg

It's a bit overpronounced in that soundtrack, but that's how it sounds, approximately :)

7:13 PM

@Tinkeringbell Sounds like someone is saying "went" with a heavy Dracula accent :P

7:24 PM

Also I feel like if “female friend” is what we’re going with on the edit, it should be changed in the title too.

7:47 PM

@scohe001 Yep. Didn't they?

"Female friend" kind of implies (at least in my culture) that they don't intend to start a relationship with them.

8:11 PM

@Ash If I may ask, what are your preferred pronouns? I've always been using plural pronouns (my default), but please tell me if you prefer something different.

user15026

@gparyani They/them

@Ash No change, then. Thanks!

Extroverted Main Man

8:50 PM

-1

Q: How to engage in a conversation with a stranger without being too pervasive?

Is it OK to engage a stranger's conversation in public space? How to add a good note to them politely, avoiding interrupting them?

conversations etiquette socializing public-transportation

9:10 PM

Blaaaaah I am gonna be on the road forEVER getting myself and my friends to LARP tomorrow. xD

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