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Anonymous
2:41 AM
@userr2684291 PPs usually aren't objects, it's true. Let's look at your example:
 
Anonymous
> I can barely see in front of me.
 
Anonymous
We could add an explicit object here:
 
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> I can barely see anything in front of me.
 
Anonymous
And the function of the optional phrase in front of me is unchanged.
 
Anonymous
The motivation for making sub-types of the complement function is that not all complements have the same distribution.
 
Anonymous
2:44 AM
For example, adjectives can be complements:
 
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> I was happy.
 
Anonymous
(Or more precisely, adjective phrases.)
 
Anonymous
But happy can't be a complement of kick.
 
Anonymous
Kick certainly does take a complement: She kicked the wall. But that complement can't take the form of an AdjP.
 
Anonymous
And a lot of words are like kick, taking a specific kind of complement with some additional restrictions, prototypically a noun phrase.
 
Anonymous
2:50 AM
There are other distributional properties associated with this group of complements, too. Passivization is an important one.
 
Anonymous
You might want to check out CGEL pages 244–247, but please note that there are very few verbs in English (if any) which actually always require an object.
 
Anonymous
CGEL was written while the current major corpora of English were still being assembled.
 
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Anonymous
But in any case, object is just a label for a more specific kind of complement function.
 
Anonymous
I don't think it's true that PPs can't be objects, but most of the time PPs don't really fit when we're expecting an object.
 
4:54 AM
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> - Hi, is this the club for nostalgizing?
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7:01 AM
if people ask me what is the physical problem I suffer the most often, I would answer them hunger trouble.
 
7:13 AM
hunger haunts me more than once a day--it affects me so often that I can't afford to treat it.
like I just ate in the morning when I waked without sleeping much and felt sleepy, but in the afternoon when I wanted sleep for a while, hunger came to disturb me again--it haunts me so hard that I can't fall asleep.
 
 
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I hereby pronounce June 9th The Day of Strange Questions.
 
 
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10:44 AM
Which term is used more often: coffee carafe or coffee pitcher?
 
@CowperKettle As an AmE speaker, I would use carafe. Pitchers are for water or iced tea.
Or margaritas!
But wine is poured from a carafe, not a pitcher.
Water can be either from a pitcher or a carafe. English is weird.
It looks like some folks use "coffee pitcher" but carafe is much more common
 
Anonymous
11:50 AM
As a non-coffee drinker, I'd blindly accept whatever other people said. I wouldn't have a clue which one sounded better :-)
 
I'd never heard the term carafe until CowperKettle mentioned it, but I've heard pitcher used in relation to coffee.
@snailboat But are you sure the function doesn't change?
 
It turns out carafe is cognate with Russian grafin (via karafin)
 
I did the same thing, but my sentence sounded a bit contrived I can't see the path a foot in front of me.
 
@ColleenV Thank you! I guess a coffee carafe looks like this - кувшин для кофе (in Russian)
I will add "coffee carafe" = "кувшин для кофе" translation to the Multitran dictionary
 
To make it less contrived I actually thought one foot would be better.
Ugh, that was can barely see, but I don't think that matters that much.
 
12:05 PM
Looks like water pitcher wins hands down.
 
I don't think I'm ready to understand the object thing yet. Some time needs to pass.
 
nods
 
Anonymous
@userr2684291 I can barely see the light. The light can barely be seen by me. I can barely see in front of me. *In front of me can barely be seen.
 
Anonymous
If it's the same kind of thingy, why doesn't it undergo promotion to subject in passivization the same way?
 
I can barely hope to live through the night. --- To live through the night can barely be hoped by me.
 
12:12 PM
@snailboat Exactly.
@snailboat But then again, passivization is only a sufficient condition, not a necessary one.
How do you know a foot in front of me is a complement and not an adjunct?
 
Anonymous
Well, it would have to be a complement to be an object. If it's not even a complement, then it can't be a kind of complement.
 
Yeah.
I think it's an adjunct, and the foot thing is only masquerading things.
Because you can say A foot in front of me can barely be seen, but that means something else.
 
Anonymous
I think it's an adjunct too.
 
Anonymous
@CowperKettle Seems pretty iffy.
 
Anonymous
12:23 PM
Cognate objects are a fun example because people debate their status as "true" objects.
 
In linguistics, a cognate object (or cognate accusative) is a verb's object that is etymologically related to the verb. More specifically, the verb is one that is ordinarily intransitive (lacking any object), and the cognate object is simply the verb's noun form. For example, in the sentence He slept a troubled sleep, sleep is the cognate object of the verb slept. Cognate objects exist in many languages, including various unrelated ones; for example, they exist in Arabic, Chichewa, German, Ancient Greek, Hebrew, Icelandic, Korean, Latin, and Russian. == Examples == In English, the construction...
 
itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003812.html I wonder if they came up with some kind of theory since.
*have come up
That, and regarding Araucaria's question (~ a good three days).
"The CGEL briefly mentions this on p. 353, but when I asked Rodney Huddlesont[???] about it, he wrote back and indicated that he wasn't completely comfortable with the analysis there and that he would spend some time thinking and consulting about it."
english-jack.blogspot.com/2008/07/… This is what that guy wrote on his blog: "Huddleston says that the numeral 'plays no part in marking the definiteness in these cases.'"
 
Anonymous
12:40 PM
@userr2684291 What question is that?
 
Anonymous
Brett's 't' appears to have migrated east for the summer.
 
Hahah.
Wait, I'm trying to find it...
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Q: Indefinite articles used with plural nouns: It was AN amazing TWO DAYS

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I really dislike that article by M. Liberman. "I don't have CGEL handy" – oh come on.
 
Anonymous
Which article?
 
Anonymous
Sorry, but I seem to be losing track of all the links.
 
The one Mari-Lou links.
 
Anonymous
12:48 PM
Well, he's a very busy professor.
 
Anonymous
I think he tends to limit a lot of his posts to what he can get in before breakfast.
 
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And this article links the two papers above.
(Which aren't online anymore, but I was able to find them archived there.)
 
Anonymous
@CowperKettle What in the world?
 
Anonymous
@userr2684291 Maybe you could edit the post with updated links.
 
12:55 PM
Done.
 
Anonymous
Yippee!
 
@snailboat Well, it wouldn't hurt to wake up earlier, then, innit? Haha. (:
Word of the day: antejentacular
It is by happenchance (upping my game) that I happen to have chanced upon that word.
 
Anonymous
Antejentacular isn't in the top 60k words in COCA or iWeb.
 
Anonymous
Oh, my! It has exactly one result in all of iWeb.
 
Oh my God.
 
Anonymous
12:59 PM
That beats uxorilocal quite handily.
 
I could've won there.
Hah, and it's some kind of website with rare words.
 
1:20 PM
@CowperKettle So the pot you brew the coffee into is a "carafe" or a "pot" whether it has a lid or not, but i would see something like this as a "pitcher" - no lid, wide opening, a pour spout, and a handle:
 
By the way, it was this question that got me thinking about the article thing.
 
Anonymous
Maybe you could link to Araucaria's post over on that question.
 

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