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@goodguy5 Here is the help description for the dice service: The roller supports: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20. You can roll up to four sets of XdY using one of those dice, where X is up to 9. X defaults to 1, Y defaults to 6. / Roll 9d4 for caltrops!

SPavel

@NautArch Isn't there something like, if the sum of your modifiers is less than such and such, reroll

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast Is this your thing?

NautArch

2:31 PM

@SPavel could very well be. I'll have to check (unless you have citation)

goodguy5

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goodguy5

ah ha

doppelgreener

Dice roller & formatting tests playgr…

The roller supports: d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20. You can roll ...

contains the options in the description ^

SPavel

@NautArch I know there is one in 3.5

Oh neat

Except you did it wrong

3d6 3d6 3d6 3d6 3d6 3d6

Hm. Maximum of 4?

NautArch

2:33 PM

that was with a 4d6 drop lowest. Even if i had done our 18 fishing of reroll 1s, he still would have had the same results.

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener No, my says error, not service unavailable. I need to take a screen shot next time it happens.

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast definitely do.

KorvinStarmast

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SPavel

@NautArch Right. 4d6 drop lowest, if the total sum of your modifiers is less than 2, reroll, I think is what the 3.5 rule is

18d6

KorvinStarmast

2:34 PM

Looks like my last game in nits dungeon: lots of low rolls that didn't hit during battle.

NautArch

@SPavel his two 14s would have precluded him from that.

SPavel

fah

NautArch

@SPavel yeah, i think his final results were 14, 14, 11, 10, 10, 9

SPavel

oof

That's not so bad for 5e though right

NautArch

@SPavel I could work with it, but I also don't want to start a campaign with an unhappy player

i'll give him a chance to roll live with me. Watch him roll worse, though.

Rubiksmoose

2:36 PM

This is why I always do point buys.

SPavel

This is why rolling for stats is bad

Rubiksmoose

Stop reading my mind @SPavel

KorvinStarmast

@SPavel not right. Standard array is a bit more generous than that

SeraphsWrath

Rolling for stats can be fun

NautArch

^

but it's risky

Rubiksmoose

2:37 PM

@SeraphsWrath But...it can also be anti-fun

SeraphsWrath

I dunno. I think, for building a specific character, point buys are best

But Rolling can be great

NautArch

The bounded accuracy of 5e makes it not a huge deal - but that doesn't change how someone feels about having a character with worse stats.

SeraphsWrath

Especially when you get a 1st Level Character who, because of an 18 and a +2 Racial Bonus, gets a 20 in a stat from the get-go

NautArch

@SeraphsWrath which, odds are, someone will.

KorvinStarmast

sighs rolling stats is the default. If people are playing "who won the stats roll up" I am not sure D&D is the game for them.

There are other options, go with what makes the most people at the table happy.

Rubiksmoose

2:40 PM

@KorvinStarmast not in 5e actually right?

SeraphsWrath

@Rubiksmoose Yes, it is the actual default in 5e

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose yes, in 5e actually, if you read the rules.

Rubiksmoose

@SeraphsWrath oh interesting. I had forgotten that.

@KorvinStarmast (I haven't needed to read that part of the rules in a long time)

KorvinStarmast

RAW = You generate your character’s six ability scores randomly. Roll four 6-sided dice and record the total of the highest three dice on a piece of scratch paper. Do this five more times, so that you have six numbers. If you want to save time or don’t like the idea of randomly determining ability scores, you can use the following scores instead: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast I don't think it's about that, but just the 'fun' of having an heroic character with poorly rolled stats. And I'm not too worried about trying again. It's a fresh campaign with new players so we're in the pre-session zero figuring stuff out part.

SeraphsWrath

2:41 PM

Only in AL do they use Point Buys or Standard Character Arrays as defaults, because that forces players into a more normal distribution

@NautArch I mean, if too many bonuses are low, you could always use DM Fiat

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Re rolling is a great idea on a cold roll. My first 5e group DM had a few guidelines, and three of the six of us re rolled. (I didn't, got OK on first try). My brother? Same. My nephew/ Same (I posted him method in an answer somewhere)

SPavel

@KorvinStarmast Yeah but that array is at least playable

in 3e or 4e it would not be

SeraphsWrath

Remember: "One rule overrides all others: the DM is the final authority
on how the rules work in play." -- Xanathar's, p. 5

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast and it was first time rolling dice with the Discord bot.

Yuuki

I can't remember what the exact number was, but I knew a DM that allowed rerolls for totals in a single stat less than a certain amount.

9 maybe?

KorvinStarmast

2:43 PM

@NautArch roll20's dice bot works pretty good.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast i was going to either do that or let him roll dice live on a video chat.

KorvinStarmast

I think we showed in one of the posts here that standard array is slightly worse than the actual distribution expected from 4d6droplowest from anydice.

goodguy5

I don't like rolling dice.

And I even less like rolling dice with magic rules about what is too low or how you reroll certain abilities.

If your tables decides on RNG, live by the dice; die by the dice.

SeraphsWrath

@goodguy5 Again: "One rule overrides all others: the DM is the final authority
on how the rules work in play."

DM Fiat is not a "Magic" Rule

Rubiksmoose

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Q: Is it better to take the array and be Joe Average, or to roll for the odds of getting on average better scores?

I am new to D&D. I was looking at character creation for D&D 5th edition. There were a few ways one could generate ability scores. I assumed the optional method of taking the numbers 15,14,13,12,10,8 would be at least as good as the default chance method (roll 4d6, drop lowest die), and more like...

goodguy5

2:46 PM

Oh, I didn't realize that you were a stick and that we were surrounded by mud.

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 That will make D&D a curious game for you.

goodguy5

DM Fiat is EXACTLY a "Magic" rule.

SPavel

But what if the DM's Fiat runs out of gas?

goodguy5

ha

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose Point Buy works fine, and it does simplify things quite a bit.

Yuuki

2:47 PM

:44615608 Probably because hit points can be very influential on how "fun" a character feels while you can get away with slightly-below-but-honestly-kinda-imperceptible-average stats.

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast Oh I wasn't arguing either way, I was trying to find the post that you were referencing.

SeraphsWrath

It's a concession that each DM gets to choose how they run their table. If they decide to do rerolls for characters that get below a certain value in a stat, or for total modifiers, or simply decided on a case-by-case basis, that is entirely up to them.

@goodguy5 Remember the Be Nice Policy.

Rubiksmoose

I have no horse in the race at other people's tables, just a preference at my own.

Yuuki

@goodguy5 Whoa there, let's back off personal call-outs.

goodguy5

@SeraphsWrath yes. Everyone DOES get to choose their table. And I mentioned my preference. I don't understand the conflict here.

SeraphsWrath

2:48 PM

Because some DMs choose not to "live by the dice and die by the dice."

Or, rather, not in the cases of stats

goodguy5

yea. that's fine.

I don't like it

which is also fine

I'm legitimately having a difficult time figuring out what the problem is here.

SeraphsWrath

However, what I don't understand is why one would play an RPG if they don't like rolling dice

SPavel

If you don't like it, you have to pay a fine

SeraphsWrath

I am having difficulty figuring that out, too.

Especially why you responded so aggressively

SPavel

@SeraphsWrath Big difference between "this dice roll affects how this combat round goes" and "this dice roll affects every single thing my character does for the entire game forever"

SeraphsWrath

2:50 PM

@Sp

SPavel

I am firmly in the Point Buy camp, or at least the Everyone Rolls One Array But Then Can Choose Any Of The Rolled Arrays To Use camp

goodguy5

Oh, Jesus. @SeraphsWrath. Your avatar is an angel.

I thought it was an octopus from the tiny thumbnail

@SeraphsWrath agressive? when?

SeraphsWrath

@SPavel True... unless you get Petrified

aaaaahhhh

SPavel

@goodguy5 Celestial Creature octopus

SeraphsWrath

0w0

SPavel

2:51 PM

@SeraphsWrath petrification can be cured, not so for garbage stats

SeraphsWrath

Garbage stats can be "cured"

Just use Wish

Yuuki

"Just"

SPavel

@SeraphsWrath Not the same thing at all

SeraphsWrath

"Just"

Mike Q

@SeraphsWrath at what level can clerics cast Cure Stats

goodguy5

2:52 PM

stats are just an a precursor to how you'll play your character.

doppelgreener

@SeraphsWrath cured by character death & reroll

goodguy5

If you have a low con, then be sickly all the time.

SeraphsWrath

Cured by ASI

SPavel

@SeraphsWrath Not the same thing either

SeraphsWrath

I mean, I don't know many DMs who would force anyone to play a character with the stats: 9, 8, 4, 3, 16

If they didn't want to

SPavel

2:53 PM

If you roll poorly for ability scores you will always be behind.

SeraphsWrath

...I missed a number there

Yuuki

@goodguy5 Stats can also have nothing to do with how you play your character. I'd rather not deal with the painful consequences of actually having low CON so I'd rather have average CON and just RP being sickly.

KorvinStarmast

@Spavel at least the Everyone Rolls One Array But Then Can Choose Any Of The Rolled Arrays To Use only seen that used once, and everyone was happy (because the one hot dice player helps everyone).

Mike Q

@doppelgreener This is usually a red flag for me. If a player's best option at some point is to kill/retire their own character and replace it with their near-identical twin, then there is something wrong with the game

goodguy5

@SPavel behind whome?

SPavel

2:53 PM

@goodguy5 Behind a character that got normal stat rolls

SeraphsWrath

@SPavel What is "Normal?"

goodguy5

@SPavel Unless they're the fighter

SPavel

@SeraphsWrath Don't give me that.

SeraphsWrath

^

goodguy5

Then they should be in front of the wizard

SPavel

2:54 PM

@KorvinStarmast Exactly! The player that rolls well feels good because they helped everyone, everyone feels good because their numbers are big. They don't resent the high rolling player.

Yuuki

@SeraphsWrath Given that a standard array exists, I don't think you can ask "what is normal?" and not come off as being facetious.

SeraphsWrath

I mean to say that, the point of rerolls is allowing for some variation in the stats aside from the ASI

doppelgreener

@MikeQ reasons i like point buy or standard array right there. :P

SPavel

@SeraphsWrath PB allows for variation.

SeraphsWrath

@Yuuki Of course, the Standard Array is considered "less-than" "normal"

See the question above

doppelgreener

2:55 PM

or games that don't set you up to get a bad character based on random chance, as well

SeraphsWrath

Well above

doppelgreener

(unless that is part of the fun. like in great ork gods. the chance of rolling up a garbage character is a contributor to fun, not detractor, and chances are they will die in 5-10 minutes so you'll have another ork soon after.)

Rubiksmoose

@SeraphsWrath It is slightly less than the statistical average of rolling. To be more precise.

SPavel

Indeed, if your character's lifespan is measured in rounds, 3d6 in order is a fine method of chargen

KorvinStarmast

@SPavel this dice roll affects every single thing my character does for the entire game forever played that way for a couple of decades, somehow had fun. What's the problem again?

doppelgreener

2:57 PM

I suggest hear them out that there may actually be a problem there in their experience

SPavel

@KorvinStarmast Having fun despite something and because of something are not equivalent.

goodguy5

Personally, I refuse to roll stats unless everyone is rolling stats.

Then we're going into the pact that you live and die by rng

SPavel

I refuse to argue against "back in my day" arguments.

doppelgreener

You had fun, that doesn't mean it's necessarily going to be fun & acceptable to everyone, especially in the changing TTRPG design landscape.

goodguy5

remember when wizards could die in chargen?

I mean, everyone would, but wizards were most at risk

SPavel

2:58 PM

Remember when wizards didn't exist and your choices were "magic user" or "elf"

KorvinStarmast

@SPavel Then maybe the problem is the people who resent the high rolling player ... that's not a back in my day thing, that's an attitude thing. It may even go into an "expectation" thing ...

SeraphsWrath

See, the reason many DMs roll for stats and allow rerolls is that, if Bob rolls 2x 18s and other mean stats, but Billy rolls 2x 8s and other mean stats, there is a disparity.

The point of the reroll is that very few DMs, if any, will force a player to play someone they don't want to.

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 I refuse to roll stats unless everyone is rolling stats That makes sense; make all chargen based on the same idea. Have you seen that done differently?

SeraphsWrath

So, if you get a bad run, you can at least fix a little

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast the problem is pretty often "my stats are bad and it compromises my ability to do what i want to do with this character"

Maximillian

2:59 PM

Usually my group does 4d6 drop the lowest and if your average for your array is below 12, you can reroll the set.

doppelgreener

waffles

SPavel

@SeraphsWrath Then what is the point of rolling? "Oops I don't like my scores, let me roll again"

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener Hmm, got an error message, I'll delete the second

goodguy5

I've had tables that let characters choose.
And I've had tables that "roll stats, but you can fall back on the array if you don't like your stats"

SPavel

@doppelgreener I see this a lot on the Stack chat, it will say "message not sent" but it sent the message

And then it laughs at you

What a dope, you posted your thing twice

KorvinStarmast

3:00 PM

@goodguy5 Seems a nice compromise position ... "roll stats, but you can fall back on the array if you don't like your stats"

SeraphsWrath

@doppelgreener The point of rolling stats is if you aren't trying to build a specific character.

@SPavel because it's limited by the DM. "I don't like my stats" is different from "This character would fail at 80% of all tasks presented to them simply by merit of their modifiers."

doppelgreener

That's not the sole point though

SPavel

Yeah, PB is still faster, easier, better, more consistent, etc

goodguy5

my problem is that billy should have been prepared for the 2 eights.

"dems da breaks" imo.

If I'm agreeing to roll, then I'm accepting the outcome. If it's all 3s, then so be it.

SeraphsWrath

Not everyone wants to go out and build Beowulf or Sanguinius or Ninja McNinjerson from the get-go

SPavel

3:01 PM

@SeraphsWrath Oh boy this tired argument again

Yuuki

That's Doctor Ninja McNinjerson to you.

SeraphsWrath

@SPavel What do you have against people who play by rolling? Why are you warring against the "rolling stats"playstyle

doppelgreener

I mean, if you're rolling in-order without ability to choose which rolled score goes where, you really just gotta work with what you got and pre-planning can go out the window. In the games of D&D I played, rolling then assigning the outcomes where I wanted them ("that 16 goes into dex..."), we did that because the game said to do that, not because we had a point for doing it.

Rubiksmoose

@SeraphsWrath I would disagree with your first point. I often want to play a certain character at chargen and even at tables with random stat rolling I often come with backstory prepared (at DM's insistence)

goodguy5

@Yuuki excellent reference

SPavel

3:02 PM

Being Beowulf has nothing to do with ability scores and everything to do with your level. Characters of the same level should have comparable capabilities.

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 The d20 system is very much "live by dice, die by dice." There are other dice systems that don't have a linear output curve. Lots of posts about that in the various dice posts ....

goodguy5

@doppelgreener I'm not a fan of "down the line" stats, but can work with them in the same parameters I mentioned earlier

doppelgreener

Folks, be nice & respect the people you're speaking with. This conversation is erring close to me needing to request it stop.

SeraphsWrath

@Rubiksmoose I feel like that's anecdotal evidence. I often do, too, but there are periods where I just go to the table and have no idea what I want to play.

@SPavel Do you think Beowulf started with a 9 in Str?

goodguy5

@KorvinStarmast I think I just have a very "old-school" mindset about certain things.

SPavel

3:04 PM

@SeraphsWrath No, but you seem to think so.

Yuuki

@SeraphsWrath Given that the poem begins after Beowulf is already an accomplished hero, it's entirely possible that he started with a 9 in STR.

goodguy5

@doppelgreener this error needs to stop being a conversation about you.... or something

Rubiksmoose

@SeraphsWrath it is 100% anecdotal. But I just want to point out that people can and do roll random stats for a character they already have planned to play.

doppelgreener

@goodguy5 i'd be ok with that :P

SeraphsWrath

@SPavel I don't think anything of the sort. I'm just saying that not everyone has a hard-and-fast idea of what they want to play. You are derailing this conversation into minutiae.

@Yuuki And used all those ASIs from fighter to increase it XD

goodguy5

3:05 PM

So, are we playing that Kevin-eating game later or am I just doing work?

SPavel

Hah, that's rich. I'm done with this.

doppelgreener

My tip to this conversation: asserting there's One True Way or One Proper Way is the path to playstyle wars.

SeraphsWrath

^

goodguy5

@doppelgreener "There's one true, proper way I like dice to be dealt with at tables I am present at"

Yuuki

Do we know that Beowulf was a Fighter? Nobody witnessed his fight with Grendel's mother. He could've been a Bard and persuaded her to go to Pennsylvania or something.

goodguy5

3:06 PM

🔨 nailed it

@Yuuki woah hey. What's wrong with Pennsylvania!?

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki Would have been very impressive given the time the poem was written.

KorvinStarmast

Beowulf might have been a Barbarian...

doppelgreener

@goodguy5 Talking about one's personal experience and preferences is great. When one asserts one's own experiences to have primacy over another's, or more relevance, or being more representative of what the correct way to do things is, that begets a playstyle war.

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SeraphsWrath

@SPavel I am sorry you feel that way. I am sorry that you feel that it is rich for me to say that not everyone likes PB, or that some people just like to roll on the table.

I hope you have a good day, but I don't think that trying to force PB on people, saying its "the best/only" way to play, is a good thing, nor healthy for this site.

Mike Q

@doppelgreener I disagree with that statement, based on my own experiences, which are superior

Yuuki

3:08 PM

@goodguy5 There's nothing with Pennsylvania, that's how he convinced her to go there so easily. "Do you want to live in Denmark where it's like frozen for half the year or do you want to go to Pennsylvania where they'll have Philly cheesesteak in less than two thousand years?"

doppelgreener

@MikeQ oh no, my one weakness

KorvinStarmast

Even I recognized that @MikeQ's experiences were superior

doppelgreener

it's true, they are

i don't even know what they are, i can just tell.

KorvinStarmast

> (edit in punch line that I somehow can't come up with)

SeraphsWrath

@MikeQ Aha, but I counter with my superior Human experience, which mimics that of my God-Emperor's own! HA! TAKE THAT, HERETIC!

Yuuki

3:09 PM

@doppelgreener Begun, the Playstyle Wars have.

doppelgreener

> (audience laughter reel)

KorvinStarmast

@SeraphsWrath Frank Herbert called, and he wants his spice back...

SeraphsWrath

@KorvinStarmast He'll get it when he gets it. Must have gotten lost in the Warp grumble grumble

KorvinStarmast

I think one of the Fremen slipped it out of the room ... they are all named Frodo now, since they have blue, blue eyes.

> reference to Elijah Wood's blue eyes .....

Plus, Sam will kill them if they try anything

SeraphsWrath

@Yuuki Except what he didn't tell her is that he actually gave her the location for New Jersey, which is why she continuously curses his name to this day

Rubiksmoose

3:12 PM

@KorvinStarmast No Martin Freeman played Bilbo. :P

SeraphsWrath

Imagine if Morgan Freeman played Bilbow

*Bilbo

Rubiksmoose

@SeraphsWrath I almost typed that lol

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose Ian Holme played Bilbo, eh?

SeraphsWrath

Featuring Sean Connery as Bilbo Baggins

KorvinStarmast

LoTR, not the "we think this reminds us of the Hobbit with a young and handsome Thorin"

Yuuki

3:13 PM

I'm now trying to picture that scene in Rivendell where Bilbo freaks out over the Ring with Morgan Freeman.

It's not really working.

SeraphsWrath

^

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast Sorry I was talking about the better movies with hobbits in them

SeraphsWrath

I'm sorry

That made me crack up

KorvinStarmast

I did like how they did Smaug, CGI wise.

Rubiksmoose

[fails to start another flame war]

(also I disagree with my statement very much)

goodguy5

3:15 PM

@Yuuki good save

SeraphsWrath

@Rubiksmoose But what is a Hobbit, anyway? OH, WAIT. A FILTHY MUTANT! pics.me.me/purge-everything-31496889.png

Yuuki

@KorvinStarmast Watching the extras where Benedict Cumberbatch crawls around with makeup and a mocap suit while doing Smaug's lines is comedy gold.

SeraphsWrath

That sounds like comedy gold

KorvinStarmast

A hobbit, in an RPG, is usually grounds for a "cease and desist order" due to "intellectual property" ...

@Yuuki I think he had a great time doing that role.

Yuuki

Benedict Cumberbatch - The hobbit - The best scene - Smaug-

►

Rubiksmoose

3:18 PM

@KorvinStarmast See, even Benedict Cumberbatch likes to roll (for his stats) [ducks]

Yuuki

@KorvinStarmast Actors love to ham it up when they can get away with it.

NautArch

woof, just realized sword and board paladins have a casting problem because of somatic.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Can be a problem; once again, an incentive to use spells slots for smites. :)

@Yuuki I think that relates to a phrase called "chewing the scenery" but maybe not.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast yup. but that also precludes bless and cure wounds. But you can always have your weapon stowed before a fight, bless, and then draw.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch That's an option. Depends on the size and make up of the party.

NautArch

3:24 PM

@KorvinStarmast he's still figuring it all out. BUt looking like we have a 3 person party right now.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Awesome; you running the game in Discord?

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast planning on what we've done with nits. ROll20 (first time DMing on that) and discord for voice chat.

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 I still need to take a look at this.

@NautArch Is this for your Kraken-encounter campaign?

goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose for your convenience: 200wordrpg.github.io/2017/rpg/2017/04/16/LetsEatKevin.html

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 That is beautiful. I'd be down to play sometime.

goodguy5

3:29 PM

I feel like it could work well enough over text here.

everyone write down one of the things, then we just roll for which thing to be

1. Kevin
2. Carnivorous Sunflower
3. Hobgobgonborgin
4. etc

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose no, I think i'm putting a hold onthat development and may integrate into this if we get high enough level. Between work, starting to DM a new group, my time is short.

d4

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d3

@goodguy5 Makes sense. However, if everyone puts in the name of a creature and there is a Kevin slip how do you guarantee Kevin gets chosen? (this is a question for the RAW as well)

SeraphsWrath

3:32 PM

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goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose I think one person puts in a kevin slip

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 That's no fun

All players write down one real or imaginary creature that eats people onto a scrap of paper.
Put all scraps into a hat including one that says “Kevin”.

goodguy5

ah. maybe there's a chance there is no kevin

or the last person must pick kevin if still available

Rubiksmoose

I think it'll work if the last person comes around and nobody else is Kevin, then they are it.

Yuuki

3:33 PM

What if the kevin was the friends we made along the way?

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.....

doppelgreener

@Yuuki Morgan Freeman played Eru Illuvatar.

Rubiksmoose

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Q: Has anyone tested allowing 2 concentration spells at once?

So I'm thinking of running a high magic world where you can either attune an item that will help you concentrate on a second spell or modify the find familiar spell to allow your familiar to concentrate on a spell for you. I'm leaning towards the familiar option as it will require most casters to...

dnd-5e spells gm-techniques homebrew

We are going to have to watch this one for Bad Subjective answers.

goodguy5

I would like it to be reworded, as well, but I can't figure out how I want it to read

Rubiksmoose

(If it stays open)

goodguy5

3:37 PM

And it should be houserule, not homebrew

Rubiksmoose

Yeah but first I think they need to focus on one question.

Q̞ī̯X̶͇͇͇͇͇͇͇͇͇͇͇͇͇̯̯̳̳͈͈͈͆͆

hiiiiiiii and bye...........

goodguy5

wat

was that someone falling past our chat?

Maximillian

Not sure.

SPavel

That's what we get for having a chat up in an eagle's nest

Rubiksmoose

3:40 PM

@SPavel hahaha

CTWind

Is the opportunity attack analogy I added here sensical? I always worry with analogies to other rules interactions, but it seemed valid to me.

GreySage

@KorvinStarmast IIRC, D&D was actually allowed to use the word "Hobbit", it was ruled fair use or something. Gygax changed it to halfling just to simplify things and increase distance from Tolkien's fiction.

NautArch

@CTWind Yes, that makes sense. I think your answer is correct as well.

Rubiksmoose

@CTWind I think it is a good analogy as well.

goodguy5

I'm about to post a question, but I feel like I borked the wording. could someone look over it in a minute?

Rubiksmoose

3:47 PM

@goodguy5 Sure

goodguy5

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KorvinStarmast

@GreySage Hmm, I think the original cease and desist was over the Battle of Five Armies game, wasn't it? Good point.

GreySage

If a question explicitly and practically needs experience to back up answers, and an answer leads with "I have no experience", should it be flagged as not an answer?

SeraphsWrath

@GreySage I didn't see that until re-reading it.

SPavel

No, a bad answer is an answer

Downvote and move on

doppelgreener

3:52 PM

flagging it as NAA puts it into a community review queue, the worst that happens if you do that is if it's not of concern the flag gets declined

SeraphsWrath

I mean, I deleted the answer already, so...

Not an Issue?

GreySage

@doppelgreener ok. I've always been unsure of the NAA flag

@SeraphsWrath Not an issue, but I like to learn the proper way to do things

SeraphsWrath

@GreySage Still, I feel like the point about Bestow Curse being used as a warm-up for something like Flesh to Stone is a little game-breaking is valid, since that scenario allows for one character to bring-down even a boss with little difficulty, so long as they have protection (meat shields.)

goodguy5

before I post this comment:

Am I correct in my understanding that a cleric still needs to prepare the ritual to be able to ritual cast it?

GreySage

@SeraphsWrath Yeah, concentration was made to be limiting on purpose.

goodguy5

3:55 PM

@SeraphsWrath or two levels in fighter

Mike Q

@goodguy5 I think somebody asked that a few weeks ago

SeraphsWrath

@goodguy5 That's true as well.

goodguy5

https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/102864/do-clerics-have-to-prepare-ritual-spells

thanks

doppelgreener

@GreySage diamond moderators also see NAA flags (because they're also flags), so it might get processed by us or might be processed by the community.

SeraphsWrath

I mean, Bestow Curse is designed so that you CAN use it like that if you sacrifice a high-level spell slot

GreySage

3:56 PM

@goodguy5 Under Ritual Casting (in Cleric features) "You can cast a cleric spell as a ritual if that spell has the ritual tag and you have the spell prepared."

Mike Q

@goodguy5 Whoa, that was last year? Sheesh, time really flies.

goodguy5

cool.

lunch time!

bbl

Rubiksmoose

@SeraphsWrath yeah sorry for the harsh comment and downvote.

SeraphsWrath

@Rubiksmoose It's fine. Reading OP.

Plz Nerf

Rubiksmoose