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base-files
base-passwd
bash
bsdutils
coreutils
dash
debconf
debianutils
diffutils
dpkg
e2fslibs
e2fsprogs
findutils
gcc-6-base
grep
gzip
hostname
init-system-helpers
libacl1
libattr1
libblkid1
libc-bin
libc6
libcomerr2
libfdisk1
libgcc1
liblzma5
libmount1
libpam-modules
libpam-modules-bin
libpam-runtime
libpam0g
libpcre3
libselinux1
libsepol1
libsmartcols1
libss2
libtinfo5
libuuid1
login
lsb-base
mawk
mount
multiarch-support
ncurses-base
ncurses-bin
passwd
perl-base
sed
sensible-utils
sysvinit-utils

as of stretch

A slightly more usable install would have another 53:

adduser
apt
apt-utils
bsdmainutils
cpio
cron
debconf-i18n
debian-archive-keyring
dmidecode
gnupg
gpgv
ifupdown
init
iproute2
iptables
iputils-ping
isc-dhcp-client
isc-dhcp-common
kmod
libapt-inst2.0
libapt-pkg5.0
libbz2-1.0
libestr0
libgdbm3
libkmod2
liblogging-stdlog0
libncursesw5
libnewt0.52
libpipeline1
libpopt0
libprocps6
libreadline7
libslang2
libssl1.0.2
libssl1.1
libstdc++6
libudev1
libxapian30
logrotate
nano
netbase
procps
readline-common
rsyslog
systemd
systemd-sysv
tasksel
tasksel-data

But this feels like a bit of an XY question, especially since every distro handles it rather differently

Is there any particular reason you wanted to know?

user226528

@Bob Yeah. The question for which I am looking for an answer is: "What apps usually come bundled with desktop Linux distros?" This is what I originally asked. (Hence, this is more like an XY answer, than an XY question.)

user226528

6:24 AM

Of course, as I said earlier "I need tangible names, both for apps and the corresponding distro."

user226528

With the information you provided, that's one distro down. Moving on to the next...

Bob

@FleetCommand I guess it's more of a "why do you want to know", because unless you restrict it a bit there's more distros in existence than you can feasibly cover.

user226528

@Bob There are millions of Linux distros but only a couple of Windows editions. When I answer a Windows question or do Windows planning, I pretty much know what I get. But this isn't correct about Linux. Or, is it?

Bob

Just with Ubuntu derivatives alone, you have: wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives

user226528

Sure, I can always download from repos. (Just like Windows.) But that means I must plan for an Internet connection.

Bob

6:28 AM

Basically, you can:

(a) Live with what the distro gives you. Much like using Edge on Windows or Safari on macOS.
(b) Pick a different distro.
(c) Install the specific program you want. Much like installing Chrome on Windows or macOS.
(d) Roll your own distro.

@FleetCommand Ah, see. This is where it gets interesting. You want to know what's on a "complete" install CD.

user226528

Yeah, but I need planning for both human support and system support.

Bob

Which immediately disqualifies some distros and distro-installers that perform minimal/networked installs.

user226528

Not really.

user226528

For server, they can be useful on their own rights.

user226528

But I am looking into clients right now.

Bob

6:30 AM

Yea, so... if you need offline, you'll have to research what each distro packages into the install images. Every distro does it differently.

Heck, I can't even find an Ubuntu listing.

user226528

I have planned to download several distros and look into them but for the purpose of this chatroom, I intend to keep the question pretty general.

user226528

That general question is: "What apps usually come bundled with desktop Linux distros?"

user226528

The question already excludes server, mobile and pen-test distros.

Ave

which sort of apps?

does it include the stuff you'll never use directly? does it include cli stuff? is it only about gui stuff?

user226528

The stuff I never use directly aren't apps. They are libraries, frameworks, services, daemons, etc.

user226528

6:33 AM

But focus on GUI for now.

user226528

It is a good criterion for a generic question such as this.

Ave

you'll get a terminal, a browser, a file manager, a text editor, an archiver

a greeter, a DE, a WM. Usually a screensaver/screen locker software too.

user226528

These are genres. I need names, please. For web browsers, I already know Firefox and Rekonq.

Ave

you'll also get a calculator

30 mins ago, by Ave

KDE: https://www.archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/plasma/

the stuff I posted around here are the stuff you'll get

not always, but usually.

user226528

Alright. Thanks.

user226528

6:38 AM

@Ave By the way, did someone paint your avatar? (Yourself?) Or did you use an avatar-making service/app?

Ave

It was commissioned

user226528

I see.

Ave

from uh therandomninjakitty.tumblr.com

user226528

Wow. $30?

Ave

I mean I just got a new one on discord

@FleetCommand artists need to pay bills too so eh

user226528

6:41 AM

Of course, the DeviantArt artists sometimes charge up to 70 euros, so...

user226528

@Ave No arguments there. But so do I, and I am not sure an avatar has that much of priority when it comes to price.

Ave

her patreon prices are still the same

10usd/mo for simple flatcolor drawing

user226528

I see. Anyway, it is a dangerous thing to have an avatar that looks like oneself. (And posting a photo of oneself to boot, especially when one is considered at least "pretty" if not more.)

user226528

At least, I'd never do that.

user226528

Everything about me online is fake: My name, my age, my location, my interests...

user226528

6:47 AM

.....
Okay, one download completed. Moving to install phase. Let's see if Hyper-V can handle Linux.

user226528

Oh, great. Linux sets the system clock to UTC.

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand to that I say. Woof.

user226528

Final Fantasy X was great. I am not sure the same is correct about Final Fantasy X-2.

user226528

It is a disturbing thing to see the High Summoner, who was so far the epitome of respectfulness and rectitude, getting dressed like a whore.

user226528

7:03 AM

And then I get to the part where Rikku slips into her swimwear, which is ... disturbingly enough ... less revealing than her standard attire.

user226528

I guess I am better off play Splinter Cell: Blacklist.

user226528

Or Call of Duty: Modern Warfare series, in which the United States Foreign Policy borderlines on angelic.

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand that's judgy

user226528

@JourneymanGeek LOL. It is a video game. It is supposed to be.

user226528

And I am being far less judgy than, say, Anita Sarkeesian.

Journeyman Geek

7:23 AM

Eh. She is professionally judgy.

We on the other hand try not to.

user226528

You maybe. You're a mod. You're supposed to be lead by example.

Journeyman Geek

I've only been a mod 3 years or so

And we build the spaces we want.

djsmiley2k

8:54 AM

@FleetCommand en.znurt.org/categories

Go through each catagory, choose the packages you want

No one can give you a list, it'd be long, and stupid.

(so yes they could, but we're not going to.)

X-2 is a lot of fan service

as is XIII-2

user226528

9:30 AM

@djsmiley2k I am downloading Linux distros and creating a list already.

user226528

@djsmiley2k I am having trouble opening this link over proxy servers because the server returns a 404 error instead of a 200.

wdika

9:49 AM

I am trying to connect with ssh and I take timeout error only from my home wifi. I have tried other connections and works perfectly, but at my home I get the timeout error. Either on windows with putty, x2go client, or on ubuntu with ssh. I tried to add a rule on firewall but makes no difference. Does anyone know why is this happening?

djsmiley2k

10:39 AM

hmmmm can't really help wiuth that

@wdika you've missed out some important details

connecting to where?

djsmiley2k

10:58 AM

dem feels when the question you vtc goes hnq :<

Journeyman Geek

lol

I've always said many HNQ questions kinda straddle the line between awesome and ... garbage

user226528

11:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek Your message about the pod person bot, which now starred, is missing an apostrophe. 😜

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand that's what a pod person would say.

user226528

@JourneymanGeek And by the way, isn't CDC supposed to run a maintenance QDR on CVD?

Journeyman Geek

._.

POD PERSON SPEECH!

user226528

Actually, never mind. I got it covered.

Journeyman Geek

11:49 AM

@Bob the mi basics are bassy as heck....

also, strangely, they're metal...

which is slightly expected for a pair that cost under a tenner.

I need to try them on my phone too.

since I'm planning to chuck these in my backpack, as backup phones.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...mi basics?

oh

the entry xiaomi earphones are ... meh

Journeyman Geek

@Bob that's what the box says ;p

Bob

I tried the paperback ones a while ago

Journeyman Geek

@Bob those are plastic right?

picked up a pair of the nicer in ears too

need to test it it in a bit ;p

djsmiley2k

I have cheap £14.99 JMC headphones

called 'gummy'

they last years (unlike most I use)

sorry, earphones/buds

Journeyman Geek

11:57 AM

@djsmiley2k heh, my previous pair still works ;p

djsmiley2k

amazon.co.uk/JVC-Gumy-Headphones-iPod-iPhone-violet/dp/…

these

isn't that a car make

jvc even

Journeyman Geek

lol

JVC is actually pretty decent in theory ;p

mi.com/en/headphonesprohd these are aboooout 40 SGD

djsmiley2k

I just don't get it haha

maybe I'm deaf

Journeyman Geek

the pair I'm talking about are, I donno, 5 pounds without the britishness text? ;p

djsmiley2k

Hmmm, should put bike in shed

etc e tc

Journeyman Geek

11:58 AM

@djsmiley2k these are cheap ;p

djsmiley2k

@JourneymanGeek Ah ok

Journeyman Geek

they're literally a step up from my 2 dollar daiso headphones

djsmiley2k

I presume, when people start discvussing these things

Journeyman Geek

I literally bought these to chuck in my backpack ;p

djsmiley2k

that they are more than £avghourlywage

Burgi

11:59 AM

how do you right click on an OSX trackpad?

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k cheap != shitty ;p

@Burgi two fingered tap?

@djsmiley2k these are great for some people

Burgi

oh yeah... silly me :)

Journeyman Geek

just not me ;p

Burgi

yes they do

Journeyman Geek

Its really good for the price

user226528

12:00 PM

NVM. They didn't.

Journeyman Geek

also

I CANNOT FIND THESE ON XIOMI'S WEBSITE >_>

mi.com/en/headphonesprohd I need to test these out too ;p

@djsmiley2k xiomi's audio stuff tend to be decentish, and rediculously cheap ;p

user226528

12:46 PM

So, which one is better: MATE or Cinnamon?

DavidPostill

^^^ Opinion based.

user226528

Oh, hi. :) I take that as an "I don't know."

user226528

I'll go with Cinnamon for now.

djsmiley2k

@Burgi hold the weird 4 circly apple key

user226528

Oddly, this question is The Big Bang Theory-themed. Raj used to have a dog named Cinnamon because he had no ... mates.

user226528

12:51 PM

Funny how The Big Bang Theory has stuck in my memory. I've seen other TV series too, like Blacklist, Person of Interest and The Legend of Korra but neither has stuck.

user226528

Actually, I remember nothing about the Blacklist except its bald fat main character.

rahuldottech

THis IS WHo I AM

THis IS HOw I TYpe NOw

YOu ARe ALl FOols

ACtually NO YOu ARe NOt

YOu GUys ARe GOod

user226528

@DavidPostill Are you seeing this? Someone is insulting us with erroneous choice of letter capitalization. Should I flag it? 😉

rahuldottech

I MAde A MIstake

I'M SOrry

@FLeetCOmmand

djsmiley2k

stop.

plz

DavidPostill

1:02 PM

I wonder if @rahuldottech is 1/ drunk, 2/ off his meds, or 3/ hacked? ;)

3

djsmiley2k

lol

user226528

lol

Journeyman Geek

1:23 PM

@rahuldottech would you like a dressing down with your saladcase?

user226528

Does anyone know what is the iOS's definition of a kilobyte? 1000 bytes or 1024 bytes?

RogUE

@FleetCommand I once tried Mint Cinnamon and I haven't used it again.

user226528

@RogUE Was something wrong with it?

DavidPostill

@FleetCommand 1024 byes is a kibibyte

RogUE

Nothing wrong, I didn't like its appearance.

user226528

1:26 PM

@DavidPostill Focus on kilobyte please. It seems, a kilobyte in Windows 1024 bytes but 1000 bytes in macOS.

user226528

@RogUE Did you go to Linux Mint MATE edition or something else?

RogUE

I haven't tried the MATE edition.

Currently, I am using Debian with Xfce, and I like it.

After some appearance tweaks, tbh.

user226528

Found the answer to the kilobyte problem:

user226528

support.apple.com/en-us/HT201402

Journeyman Geek

@FleetCommand the customary kilobyte was 1024. apple and hard disk manufacturers use the 1000 bite version

DavidPostill

1:38 PM

@JourneymanGeek that make sense since one bites an apple ;)

Journeyman Geek

._.

While @jokerdino and @hacktohell are the only person who would get it, that's what we'd call a bite joke in tamil.

jokerdino

ugh

no bite jokes pls

RogUE

@jokerdino what's a bite joke in tamil?

jokerdino

tamil bite jokes

RogUE

an example?

Journeyman Geek

1:51 PM

@RogUE If you speak tamil - "Kadi Joke"

RogUE

I don't speak Tamil

I can understand Tamil.

@JourneymanGeek That didn't help.

Journeyman Geek

@RogUE its colloquial tamil?

I don't think that's bramin tamil specific.

jokerdino

"which gate cannot let vehicles through it?"
"what?"
"colgate haha"
"..."

Journeyman Geek

and definately isn't singapore tamil

@jokerdino SEMA KADI.

jokerdino

machaaa

RogUE

1:53 PM

@jokerdino Now I get it.

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino that's standard tamil right?

jokerdino

pretty standard

Journeyman Geek

ah k

jokerdino

kadi jokes are universally hated upon

Journeyman Geek

I have a cousin who loved them

RogUE

1:54 PM

@jokerdino We too have the exact same joke in our language.

jokerdino

what is that language?

RogUE

@jokerdino Malayalam

jokerdino

thought so

RogUE

We don't have any name for those jokes though.

rahuldottech

@FleetCommand @DavidPostill @JourneymanGeek I am sorry

It was a joke

Journeyman Geek

2:08 PM

@rahuldottech Jokes sometimes go too far

rahuldottech

Yes. I apologize.

RogUE

@rahuldottech Whenever I type 'r' into my url bar, that's what Firefox suggests me.

@rahuldottech and what happened to your site?

rahuldottech

@RogUE Aw. I promise I'll fix the website up in a few days so you get something more interesting than the standard message

RogUE

@rahuldottech You mean the error message?

rahuldottech

@RogUE yes

RogUE

2:21 PM

The 'Sound notification' in here is driving me nuts.

rahuldottech

@RogUE You can mute it

RogUE

Is there any way to change the sound to something pleasing and less scary?

Journeyman Geek

lol

No?

RogUE

@rahuldottech I want to be notified, but not with the current notification sound.

Journeyman Geek

Probably will need a userscript

rahuldottech

2:22 PM

@RogUE Should be easy enough to do with a userscript

djsmiley2k

Does the site even control the sound??

rahuldottech

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Journeyman Geek

9

Q: Can we have a kinder, gentler *THUD*?

The current notification sound for the Super User chat, while rather effective can often quite startling, especially when you're doing something else, or just not expecting it. Could we have some way of choosing a less.. THUDdy sound, or volume control for it, for systems with no per-program volu...

jokerdino

@RogUE there is an usercript

Journeyman Geek

Personally I think we should change it to the AFD duck

RogUE

2:25 PM

@jokerdino Where can I find it.

YOU ALL ARE DRIVING ME NUTS........

jokerdino

@RogUE do you hate the sound so much?

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino it goes ~~bang~~ thud

jokerdino

the one on AU is worse ;p

Journeyman Geek

the one on MSE is actually quite nice...

probably cause they use it internally ;p

jokerdino

creak

rahuldottech

2:27 PM

@JourneymanGeek No it's worse

RogUE

@jokerdino It's not that I hate it.

I usually have the volume turned to max, and suddenly that sound. IT SCARES ME.

Journeyman Geek

@RogUE lol, that's terrible yes

RogUE

@jokerdino Is Greasemonkey necessary for installing a userscript?

Journeyman Geek

@RogUE or something similar

iirc I run tampermonkey

RogUE

So, I need a third party add-on to install user scripts.

Journeyman Geek

2:39 PM

yup

RogUE

Is there a native way of doing it?

Journeyman Geek

don't think so

RogUE

cdn-chat.sstatic.net/chat/se.mp3

jokerdino

@RogUE no

RogUE

That's the offending piece of sound.

Journeyman Geek

2:45 PM

we know

rahuldottech

3:32 PM

/se.mp3
/sf.mp3
/su.mp3
/so.mp3

djsmiley2k

...

oh right

rahuldottech

@RogUE alt sounds ^

djsmiley2k

i thought you'd gone crazy again there @rahuldottech

jokerdino

gone? again?

rahuldottech

also

/meta.mp3
/meta2.mp3

RogUE

3:54 PM

@jokerdino I have installed Tampermonkey and the script, but I can't see a button to change the sound.

jokerdino

click the speaker icon?

are you on chrome or firefox?

RogUE

@jokerdino FF

jokerdino

maybe script is broken for ff59

RogUE

not 59, Firefox 56

the thread says there will be a button next to the speaker icon, but I don't see one.

rahuldottech

@RogUE reload?

RogUE

3:58 PM

@rahuldottech How?

rahuldottech

@RogUE ctrl+f5? Restart FF?

RogUE

@rahuldottech Still not working.

Tampermonkey status says no script is running...

Ave

I should make a userscript to change the ping sound to that one old kaspersky (avast?) virus detected sound

RogUE

@Ave The one used by avast was good.

Ave

Old Avast Alarm (4.8 version)

►

this one and the one with a pig sound

oh it was kaspersky

kaspersky squel alarm

►

djsmiley2k

4:32 PM

@bwDraco My Nighthawk R7000 got firmware upgrade to 1.0.9.26_10.2.31

You might have one too iirc

bwDraco

4:46 PM

Away from home right now. I'll check my R7800 when I get back.

Speaking of routers... one of my more distant uncles (who doesn't speak English) asked me to downgrade Internet service he was overpaying for. When we got to his house, it was obvious that his equipment simply cannot support the speeds he's paying for. I just saved him $20 a month.

Part of the note I left on his bill:

> The SURFboard SB6121 is approved for up to 60 Mbps. It may be able to support 100 Mbps, but this is not recommended. For speeds above 100 Mbps, you must upgrade your modem.

Also, router is a bottom-bin 802.11n model. We'll be buying him a replacement soon.

All equipment is owned; it's not being rented from the ISP.

I could tell right away the CPE wasn't designed to handle 200 Mbps. Not by a long shot.

bwDraco

5:14 PM

(my router is able to handle 500 Mbps FWIW, though the modem is barely able to do 200 Mbps)

bwDraco

5:48 PM

So quiet...

djsmiley2k

dsundays

man my depression is crushing me right now

djsmiley2k

6:09 PM

1

Q: How can I increase the performance of OpenVPN over a high packet loss network environment

I am trying to connect my laptop to a server in another continent, and it seems that the link is very unreliable (with about 58% packet loss when pinging). When using the VPN through a default OpenVPN's secret key setting (which uses UDP), pinging in the VPN reports about 57% packet loss (it bo...

networking vpn openvpn packet-loss

it's the great firewall of china xD

they aren't going to get around this.

Zanna

Is the great firewall of China detectable from space?

djsmiley2k

Dunno but the latancy is :D

Zanna

can't respond because she doesn't know what latency is... something to do with ice?

djsmiley2k

:O

It's a delay inflicted by that pesky speed of light

,

Zanna

oh! I think it's gravity's fault

or maybe there's misbehaviour on both sides

poor time is the victim of the tussle

jokerdino

6:31 PM

@Zanna lag

Zanna

nicely demonstrated :D

djsmiley2k

6:44 PM

auuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh

@djsmiley2k yeah, I've tried everything. Nothing works — Micah Jinkerson 41 secs ago

I'm sure many things are working

for example, the power button works

2

A: Why is 'ping' unable to resolve a name when 'nslookup' works fine?

Try adding . to the DNS suffixes for that connection. I.e, go to: Ethernet Status Click Properties Internet Protocol Version 4 Click Properties Click Advanced Append these DNS suffices (in order) Add . as a suffix. The same steps are illustrated in the following screenshot: This should mak...

now that's just.... weird.

Zanna

7:17 PM

If you've tried everything, and nothing works, then, by definition, nothing will help, and we cannot help you

djsmiley2k

7:33 PM

lol

:)

bwDraco

9:31 PM

Just set up a new Netgear router, and network performance has greatly improved.

...and I just got one of those Netgear Ethernet switches. My uncle (as mentioned earlier) said he purchased the wrong product and decided to give it to me. It's their classic ProSAFE GS108 switch.

I have no immediate need for a switch, but I'm hanging onto it because I might have a use for it in the future.

Aug 10 '16 at 1:46, by bwDraco

@Bob My vision for this includes a 4-port wall plate in the infrastructure area. Four Ethernet cables will be plugged into this wall plate and connected to a network switch which will form the core of the home network. Behind these four ports is Cat 6A cabling that runs into four different rooms (one for each port), enabling speeds of up to 10 Gbps with appropriate network hardware.

This hasn't materialized, but running an Ethernet cable in the wall from the infrastructure area (as currently set up) to my bedroom is still a possibility.

And this setup will require a switch.

Michael Frank

That is my dream as well.

Except we are renting our place, and landlords don't enjoy it when you put holes in their walls.

bwDraco

10:31 PM

18

Q: How can I stop being redirected to the App Store/Google Store by dodgy ad-scripts?

There are a load of sites that do this now, and it's really annoying: I visit a content site on my Android device. 10-15 seconds after loading starts the site hangs for a few seconds. Google play store loads with a garbage app (usually some awful FTP or useless battery app) pre-selected. This...

google-play-store security chrome-for-android

I suddenly got redirected to the Play Store. I'm pretty sure this is caused by an ad on tvtropes.org.

It's unlikely this device has been compromised (did a full check, nothing unusual AFAICT), but that felt creepy.

I realize that advertising revenue is lower than ever, but sites and ad providers seriously need to vet the ads they run to prevent things like this from happening.

bwDraco

10:47 PM

This was made possible through a permissions setting that allowed Google Play links to open automatically in the Play Store app (my fault). I've since changed it to "always ask".

Journeyman Geek

@Zanna basically network delay.

bwDraco

11:02 PM

Fuck malicious redirect ads.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/…

Pretty obvious I'm not the only one.

product.voxmedia.com/2018/1/22/16902862/…