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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, username similar to website in answer: How to I enable or disable notifications for comments on Facebook ads? by Faizan Athar on webapps.SE

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2:28 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: What are currently used types of certificates and what they can be used for? by AaronSmith on security.SE

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2:45 PM

I've gone through the discussion of the change we want to make and come up with a few questions we need to answer in our meta post. I'm sure there are more, but these seem to be the big themes.

Concerns to talk about in meta post:

- Why should this community trust your bot?
- What does this change accomplish?
- What are the goals of this change?
- It sounds like this removes community involvement in an aspect of the site. Is this good? Is this bad?
- Adding more automatic flags makes organic flagging harder. How does this community handle that?
- How does Charcoal mitigate the risks of reducing human involvement? Right now we require 3 additional people to confirm our flags to remove a post. If we drop that to 1 or 2, how do we ensure we aren't increasing the risk associated with…

Remember, numbers rarely convince people that one way is better. There are concerns about automation here. It's stuff we've run into before. It's stuff I ran into with my comment bot. We need to address those concerns. Not just throw numbers out and mention our success rate

@Undo @ArtOfCode All righty we're in cash, we got about 7 skipped last night

@Andy Your comment bot?

@iBug meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/280546/… .

There are follow ups to that, but that's the announcement post

@Undo latest one is 106826, so start there?

I have like literally nine minutes to look at this before I go skiing, but here goes

2:51 PM

That one was an FP but it should still have useful logs

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Woocommerce product description full width? by H Robbo on stackoverflow.com

fp- by iBug

skiing? season must last longer than I thought

cool stuff (no pun intended)

@quartata America has some pretty tall mountains and stuff

and we're having some weird weather. Season didn't start till like early Jan

@quartata It's also still winter :)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Figure out how to the probability of lasers by user185074 on physics.SE

2:53 PM

Oh right, and winter has been weird this year.

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@Andy groundhogs are awful classifiers

o.O

To be fair "6 more weeks until spring" puts it at the start of Spring. The ground hog isn't doing anything that standard orbital mechanics can't predict

W, [2018-02-16T13:17:25.257131 #29084]  WARN -- : [autoflagging] 106826: after_create begin
W, [2018-02-16T13:17:25.257490 #29084]  WARN -- : [autoflagging] 106826: thread begin
W, [2018-02-16T13:17:25.257540 #29084]  WARN -- : [autoflagging] 106826: Post#autoflag begin
D, [2018-02-16T13:17:25.259097 #29084] DEBUG -- :   ^[[1m^[[35m (0.9ms)^[[0m  ^[[1m^[[34mSELECT COUNT(*) FROM `posts` WHERE `posts`.`link` = '//stackoverflow.com/a/35324752'^[[0m
D, [2018-02-16T13:17:25.260235 #29084] DEBUG -- :   ^[[1m^[[35m (2.9ms)^[[0m  ^[[1m^[[35mCOMMIT^[[0m

and that's it

2:55 PM

although tbf it's not like I get much of a winter. shivering in my boots at the astoundingly cold 17C

@Undo so it croaks when checking for the duplicate. that's the first SQL query

and it dies without throwing an exception

Yep

Also interestingly, it looks like it's running in parallel with a web request

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Can I access a nested dict with a list of keys? by KenB on stackoverflow.com

wait wait hold up I made a mistake that one really is a duplicate

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in username: Changing the Index of a StackLayout from another object by Bioflex on stackoverflow.com

@quartata whew, I was thinking that'd be hard to track down :P

2:58 PM

let me find an actual one....

@Undo scratch this, it was the post request. 201 created

brb, one minute then probably thirty seconds to look

tpu- by Makyen on Can I access a nested dict with a list of keys? [MS]

fp- by Makyen

@Undo if you still have time, 106801. TP, but below autoflagging

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened URL in answer: How can I get a socially awkward team, which lacks good interpersonal skills, communicating more effectively? by WWPTV on workplace.SE

.... weird

@quartata ends at post#autoflag begin

D, [2018-02-16T10:53:50.613335 #29315] DEBUG -- : TopbarChannel transmitting {"review"=>1} (via streamed from topbar)
D, [2018-02-16T10:53:50.618689 #29315] DEBUG -- : TopbarChannel transmitting {"review"=>1} (via streamed from topbar)
W, [2018-02-16T10:53:50.619005 #18283]  WARN -- : [autoflagging] 106801: after_create begin
D, [2018-02-16T10:53:50.619492 #29315] DEBUG -- : TopbarChannel transmitting {"review"=>1} (via streamed from topbar)
W, [2018-02-16T10:53:50.619834 #18283]  WARN -- : [autoflagging] 106801: thread begin

Sure it's not a dupe?

doesn't look like it

If we knew when this started happening, it might be possible to correlate to a Ruby version or something.

aaaand out. I'll probably be back in a few hours (like four); should have WiFi there during lunch

3:08 PM

Have fun!

Henders

I didn't know that dogs could ski! I guess you've gotta get 4 mini skis, one for each paw.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer, repeating characters in answer: Force of a Train by Sumner Menold on physics.SE

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Byte Commander

and the train goes EEEEEEEEE...

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: What mean ERR_SPDY_PROTOCOL_ERROR in nginx? by ayeshaji on stackoverflow.com

....ok

3:20 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Admin Functionality visible to basic users by Robert Thiessen on security.SE

So two possible fixes: replace after_create with after_save, on: :create (the proper fix, if it's what I think) or change unless count == 1 to if count > 1 (probably should be done regardless). Also we need to do send_not_autoflagged when it's a dupe

I think the thread is being context switched in before PostsContoller#create has finished, so when you do the count it returns 0 and not 1

3:41 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive body detected: Washing clothes after pre cum by user26385 on islam.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: implement a search filter for the <mat-select> component of angular material by Martin on stackoverflow.com

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad pattern in URL body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: And now more than one phrases by ganna wllyz on drupal.SE

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fp- by Tinkeringbell on Washing clothes after pre cum [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +2 more: www.supplementoffers.org/renuvaline/ by hereynaked on graphicdesign.SE

Byte Commander

4:07 PM

Always these weird posts on islam.se...

tpu- by ByteCommander

Time to stop looking for ejaculate

Mostly FPs. The TPs are real spams instead of offensives.

PR there

4:29 PM

@Andy I'm not sure we should bring up the 'trust' aspect ourselves. There's some trust on the part of communities, but it's nothing compared to the trust of those few hundred people who gave us their flags (and gave me their tokens)

We should definitely have arguments (bad word, but best I can come up with) ready for the trust thing, but only if it's brought up.

Might be able to head that off with "Here's where you can get all the data we have"

(automated dumps would be nice, not required)

Yeah. Here's all the data we have, here's the code, you can audit us whenever... And please do, because more eyes is good

I'm pretty much the only one capable of hiding anything, and if I went evil... There are bigger problems to deal with.

WELZ

@iBug maybe we should just whitelist it from the religion sites (Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam) those are the only ones where we really see it (fp)

@WELZ We haven't seen real TPs.

WELZ

@SmokeDetector n

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