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1:39 AM
I just discovered that the double-L in Welsh is not pronounced like a stretched L. It's actually pronounced kind of like how Daffy Duck (or some people with a speech impediment) says an /s/. Now, how did I never know this my whole life long?
 
2:03 AM
@Robusto Not enough excursions to Cymru?
The mapping of Welsh letters to sounds is only a little less crazy than the Irish one.
Temporary pin for SCIENCE!
That, or hats.
 
The strangeness of Celts.
 
Ok, science proven.
 
2:30 AM
Did you use a retort?
 
Black Forest.
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Too Scottish.
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3:20 AM
Oh, regex, even?
I was just reading up on regex stuff.
 
3:40 AM
@Cerberus That wasn't my addition, but sure.
 
Too bad Javascript lacks so much stuff.
Like named capturing groups and branching of the numbers of capturing groups.
 
Are you using the XRegExp plugin so it has reasonable reges?
 
I've read about it.
But is it easy and stable if you use it in a userscript?
Can it be included in the script itself?
 
I think that's how it works.
Well, you load it as a separate file.
 
What if the server it's on is down?
 
3:44 AM
Put it on your own.
 
My server might go down.
 
Put it wherever you put your script.
Then it won't matter.
 
I'd rather not depend on anything.
 
Then suffer.
But you're already using javascript, so that's a redundant command.
 
My script is on my computer, but I don't think it can load local files.
Most probably.
 
3:45 AM
I'm pretty confused.
How do you your run script?
 
A browser extension runs it.
 
I hate the web.
Ask somebody who cares about silly-willy webby-debbies.
Try @Robusto.
 
O, automisy!
I'll Google it some more later.
But for now I'd rather not depend on anything.
Which is also why I don't use Jquery.
 
Life is short when you cannot stand on the heads of giants and kick.
Programming without libraries is like assembly language forever.
 
Yeah.
 
3:49 AM
Without even a macro processor to help.
 
The main file seems small enough to be included in a userscript by copy-paste.
 
Perhaps so.
 
It's wasteful, I know.
But reliability is key.
I use scripts written by someone else in China 10 years ago.
Which still work, through many software changes, because he managed to write his code even independent of the 'library' provided by the extension he wrote it for.
I hate dependency rot.
I'm not sure I understand the exact difference between these two.
(date is an XRegExp object, I believe.)
 
looks
 
So when you put the haystack inside the brackets, it's using an XRegExp method; in preceding quotation marks, it's using a native method?
So the two "replace" thingies (methods?) are different even though they are the same word.
 
4:05 AM
You have to figure out what the date pattern is I guess.
 
The point is that you can create named captures not just numberd ones.
Yup.
 
I understand most of that.
 
Exactly.
 
But I'm wondering whether I will recognise when I can use named groups in practice and I can't.
It also makes it harder to look things up on SO.
 
4:07 AM
You can't use named groups in the normal javascript regexes.
 
I know.
 
Only with XRegExp.
It's super incredibly useful.
 
I know.
I've been wondering why they didn't exist when I had never heard of them.
 
How can you wonder about the nonexistence of something you don't know about? :)
 
Gosh, I can't decide how to fix that sentence.
 
4:09 AM
I spent several hours today talking to my Portuguese friend in Lisbon. I met him when he was a "kid", and I still think of him as young. Yet he has four years on you.
Thanks for being there to talk to.
 
I've missed them for a long time. I was wondering why they didn't exist even when I had never heard of them.
 
They exist, but only in alternate regex universes.
 
It's nice to see good people still frequent this room.
@tchrist I know that now.
 
Period 1: I was beginning to use Regex.
2: I wanted named groups, but didn't know what they would be called, and had never heard of them.
3: I had heard of them, and was sad they weren't available in Javascript and probably Autohotkey.
@tchrist Quite so.
@tchrist Is his behaviour still kid-like?
 
4:13 AM
@Cerberus No, not really. But I don't think it ever was, really.
He had fun, but he has always been a person full of thoughts.
Many are not.
He just had a birthday, turning the age I was when I met him. Or I may be off by one and he's a year past that.
Most people I've known that long are amazed to look back.
 
I see.
 
Because they can no longer see anything worth knowing in the person they were from that long ago.
 
They are amazed?
It seems Autohotkey uses PCRE Regex.
@tchrist Hmm that seems odd.
 
@Cerberus Then as of v7.2 you're good.
@Cerberus They don't think much of college kids.
 
@tchrist Is that old?
 
4:17 AM
Heck, there was a 13-year-old I met at the tabletop gaming club when I was 27 whom I still know.
 
@tchrist Perhaps it's not long enough ago for me.
@tchrist That's nice.
 
If you learn to, or end up, making friends with people of quality, whatever that means, then those are not bound by time.
 
Or perhaps most people come to find subjects like housing prices and babies so very interesting that they lose interest in some other subjects.
@tchrist Certainly.
 
> PCRE 7.2 and later support all the syntax for named capture and backreferences that Perl 5.10 supports. Old versions of PCRE supported the Python syntax, even though that was not "Perl-compatible" at the time. Languages like PHP, Delphi, and R that implement their regex support using PCRE also support all this syntax.
I have friends with young kids. Somehow they all started late.
 
It seems Autohotkey used PCRE 8.3 in 2012.
 
4:20 AM
And they do own their own homes.
 
I do find conversations in some groups have turned less interesting.
Especially when one cannot hear the others owing to the screaming.
 
Yeah.
I am not very tolerant of toddlers.
 
Does PCRE have the exact same capabilities and syntax as Perl?
 
Unlikely.
But it's quite good/close.
The syntax should be the same.
 
@tchrist I find babies worse. Their screaming often cannot be controlled at all.
 
4:26 AM
It even has control verbs.
 
OK.
 
You'd have to look closely to find exceptions.
 
That'll be good enough.
Then I can use named capturing groups in Autohotkey.
 
Bet so.
 
Why shouldn't I try it now?
 
4:28 AM
Would you have me prove a negative?
The Unicode support alone makes it all worth it.
 
String = 25-07-2017
Maand := RegExReplace( String, "(?<dag>\d+)-(?<maand>\d+)-(?<jaar>\d+)", "${maand}" )

Msgbox % "Maand = " . Maand
It works!
@tchrist Oh, I already knew it supported Unicode.
At least, I always assumed it did.
 
Eh?
Where's the non-ASCII?
Oh right, never mind.
I mismerged.
I'm really tired, sorry. Thinking scatteredly.
 
Yeah I was trying the named groups.
It also managed to find a Unicode character (although somehow this script has acquired a problem with outputting them).
Free-spacing and line comments are also nice from Xregexp.
 
4:45 AM
Isn't that nice?
You have to be in a page whose encoding is UTF-8 to output them I imagine.
 
I was testing the Autohotkey PCRE, not Javascript.
> s, to make dot match all characters; x, for free-spacing and line comments
Also nice from Xregexp.
Explicit capture is also nice.
Hmm.
Tempting.
 
> The versions marked with a ✻ are therefore ungrammatical:

I saw that the boy was asleep.
I saw the ✻asleep boy.
I saw the boy asleep in bed.
He landed hard, his legs all akimbo.
He landed hard with ✻akimbo legs.
The plot had gone awry.
That was an ✻awry plot.
Weird words.
A presumably Chinese speaker asked why the tones were "wrong" on awry.
The answer is of course because it's really a frozen prepositional phrase, just like all the others.
 
Right.
Hence the praedicative nature of those adjectives–verbs.
 
Yes.
I mention that.
 
Good.
 
4:51 AM
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A: What's up with the pronounciation of "awry"

tchristNB: English is not a tonal language like Cantonese, so I’m going to assume you are simply talking about stress, which is a phonemic property of English words and which speakers of tonal languages may hear in terms of tones. English has a whole bunch of modifier words (adjectives and adverbs) b...

Native speakers need not be taught this. It's just something they know.
But foreign learners may never be taught it, so it never makes sense.
Heavy elements are right-branching, so are used predicatively.
Normally heavy elements are multiword. These are frozen into one.
One commenter offered "Because it's English and English has no rules".
I beg to differ.
 
Yeah, juist because you don't happen to understand s certain phaenomenon, that doesn't mean there is no rule or reason.
My computer has decided it's bedtime.
It's right.
 
It is.
I need to away myself.
For the same destination.
Mutatis mutandis.
 
Adios.
 
prays for divine dreams
 
How religious.
 
 
3 hours later…
 
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10:54 AM
The room's name has become accurately pronounceable, but it would be more widely recognisable if spelt with the English alphabet.
 
11:22 AM
My jog today
Happy New 2018
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@Lawrence yes I noticed that too
 
@CowperKettle It's nice, though quite hard to tell what it is that you were attempting to draw.
Happy new year!
 
@Færd Haha
Its the figure 2018
It's not me, there were about 50 joggers/bicyclists
 
Holy macaroni. Should've known.
 
11:31 AM
Had fun didn't you.
 
I'm feeling depressed, but I think one should exercise anyway
Had a lot of headgear to keep warm
How that nalf-naked guy managed to jog with us for 2 hours is beyond me
 
The naked guy wanted to look macho, eh?
 
It was minus 10 C
 
Hell.
 
By the end he had red spots on his body. Probably some mild-degree frostbites
 
11:33 AM
I used to wear a thin shirt to school when everybody was clad in heavy winter gear.
 
@Færd We had a discrete math teacher in the university who never wore a hat
He was a bit strange
But quite talkative and he knew the subject and how to teach it too
 
I guess I was too. :)
Good thing we celebrate the New Year at the beginning of the Spring.
 
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I saw some news from Iran. I hope there will be more democracy in the end.
 
I wish I'd taken a picture of my jog today.
Everything drown in a gray haze.
 
You jogged today? What distance did you cover?
 
11:37 AM
It's healthier not so much as to twitch a muscle. Not worth the rubbish you inhale.
@CowperKettle I don't measure it. a few kilometers.
Mostly hiked a bumpy terrain. Not so much jogging.
 
@Færd I started measuring distances about two weeks ago when I bought an Android phone
Up until then I just measured time.
My jogs lasted from 30 to 50 minutes
 
You want to improve your exercise in some way?
 
But with this Strava application, I now jog from 60 minutes to 1 hour 23 minuts
@Færd I jog and I bicycle, and I go cross-country skiing
 
How does it incentivize you to spend more time?
 
I cannot improve it much because I cannot do heavy-duty force exercise
 
11:41 AM
You score higher or something?
Ah.
 
@Færd Because it gives you this chart with your track, your time, your speeds at each 1-kilometer slice of your run.
And the distance
So it becomes interesting to get to know - can I run for 1.5 hours and cover 15 kilometers, and such stuff )))
 
Well, whatever sets you on the move!
 
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It's nice to live in Iran, where there's always warm
 
It's too warm.
If you were here you wouldn't make that wish.
Tehran, at least.
 
In two weeks time, real frosts will begin here, down to minus 20 or 30 degrees.. and they will last until mid-February
 
11:45 AM
And there's all sorts of uprisings and protests and hell broken loose on the streets everywhere now.
Quite a chaos.
 
I know. I was quite amazed, never expected this would happen
 
Neither did we. But revolutions come without warning.
 
I wish there were protests against Putin. But people are too meek.
 
I hope it's not a revolution though. I don't see a bright future ahead of it.
Hmm.
 
I hardly know 5 persons out of the dozens and dozens I know who are pro-Putin, but he will get 70 % of the vote. That sucks. Mafia rules Russia.
 
11:47 AM
Maybe the rural areas vote for him?
 
Or those out in the boonies?
 
There is massive fraud in the electoral commissions
 
Not surprised.
 
There are statistical research papers that show how vote counting is heavily rigged
The Normal Distribution Law falls apart - it's amazing, isn't it? It operates everywhere but in Russian elections it falls apart
Haha
Russia is a unique place
 
11:50 AM
They don't care to fix it in a more logical way? Buy out some mathematicians to arrange it for them?
 
It was discovered 2 weeks ago that the former wife of Putin's press secretary has a posh $2 million flat with a view on the Eiffel Tower in Paris. What happens next? Nothing. Just nothing. Everybody knows he is a thief, and nobody does nothing.
@Færd They are trying, but still they fail. They just don't care because the judicial system is wrecked, and nobody will do anything anyway
 
It's strange. We have protests and revolts once in a few years.
People are more conscious about their demands of the government.
Although I'm not fully aware of your case to make a comparison.
And that's not to say that our protests get anywhere in making for descent improvement.
 
The last major protest we had was a standoff on Bolotnaya Square in Moscow in 2011 when it was discovered that the whole election was a fraud. Many protesters were imprisoned under false accusations. One mute/deaf guy was initially brought to court accused of "chanting anti-government slogans" - that's because all policemen are just acting like puppets, writing down what they are being told by their superiours in their testimonies
 
How many people where there?
 
Just a farce.
The Bolotnaya Square case is a criminal case by the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation on account of alleged massive riot (article 212 of the Russian Criminal code) and alleged violence against police (article 318 of the Russian Criminal code) during the "March of the Millions" on May 6, 2012 on the Bolotnaya square in Moscow. The demonstration was one of the biggest protests in Russia since the 1990s. The Bolotnaya Square case is largely recognized as politically motivated both internationally and in Russia. The Russian Human Rights Ombudsman Vladimir Lukin repeatedly stated that...
 
11:55 AM
Not so large-scale, eh?
 
It peaked at 160 000 in Moscow, but it was totally peaceful
 
The 2011–13 Russian protests (which some English language media referred to as the Snow Revolution) began in 2011 (as protests against the 2011 Russian legislative election results) and continued into 2012 and 2013. The protests were motivated by claims by Russian and foreign journalists, political activists and members of the public that the election process was flawed. The Central Election Commission of Russia stated that only 11.5% of official reports of fraud could be confirmed as true. On 10 December 2011, after a week of small-scale demonstrations, Russia saw some of the biggest protests...
 
I took a taxi from today's jog, and it turned out the taxi rider was also anti-Putin. I hope it will all come to a boiling point sooner.
 
I'd rather wish for a gradual change.
You can't estimate the outcome of explosions.
It can get worse after those, as it frequently has.
 
I'm all for gradual change, but since Putin cancelled elections, it's hard to hope for that
 
11:58 AM
That's what frightens me about our current unrest.
 
When there's no outlet like elections and parliaments, there's no outlet for gradual change
 
I can't say I have a clue as what to do in that situation.
But whatever it is, a revolutionary change seldom brings about fundamental improvements.
There's a book named Life as Politics, I reckon you haven't heard of it?
 
What to do? I transmit money to Alexey Navalny's foundation, because they are working to dismantle the criminal regime
 
I see.
 
If the authorities crack down on legal peaceful foundations, I will think hard. Maybe I'll start transmitting money somewhere else.
 
12:02 PM
How independently can NGOs and public organizations act in Russia?
How much of the public need do such institutes answer?
 
They have been almost all branded "Foreign Agents" and forced to do a lot of paperwork and pay more than usual. That killed the majority of them. This happened last year.
 
Shame.
 
There's this semi-fascist law that anybody who receives even 1 dollar from abroad is a "Foreign Agent" and needs to indicate this in the printed materials, and needs to undergo all sorts of audits
10 days ago a school kid wrote a petition asking to label a diabetics association a Foreign Agent.
Because they receive money from abroad.
Some kid from the Young Putin Guard or whatever it's called
A lot of media noise ensued, and he retracted his appeal
Young ass-licker
 
How many people are hard up for basic necessities, do you think?
 
In Yekaterinburg, people are well-off because it's a major city with 1.5 million people
But in the villages it's quite hard
When I was in the emergency care unit this spring, one of the nurses said she does not buy bread
She takes hospital bread, and sometimes bakes her own bread
People have just enough money for food
I can imagine what happens in the villages
 
12:07 PM
Poverty can make you put everything on the line and go berserk.
 
But some my friends are quite wealthy. Go abroad to vacations etc ))
 
Maybe that's where the change and protests will arise from eventually.
Those who have enough to eat for today and tomorrow and to feed their family are more politically conservative.
 
Protests based on poverty are bad. Because populists usually benefit from them. So I hope that the economy will improve.
 
Agreed.
But how can the economy improve under such a fascist state?
 
@Færd I'm not sure. In the late years of the USSR all people had food on their table, but they were very politically active. Now people are disenchanged. There was democracy throughout the 1990s in Russia and it brought nothing to 90% of the people. They think that a return to democracy will change nothing.
@Færd Why, Spain was ruled by Franco and I don't think it was too poor. Although I know nothing about that.
 
12:11 PM
@CowperKettle Well, politically active or progressive?
 
@Færd What is "progressive"?
 
Seeking more awareness and changing for better.
Changing the status quo for better. Getting out of your comfort zone.
It's different from staunchly clinging to a set of established tenets and work hard to uphold them.
Letting people talk and criticize the government in peaceful ways. That's progressive.
 
People went to street protests, and many people nominated themselves as parliament candidates, and discussed politics.. Because for 60 years prior to that they lived in a hushed-up condition. It was new and interesting, I guess.
But after 10 years of democracy they grew disenchanted
 
Why, do you think?
 
Several oligarchs grabbed all the major plants and mines and oil fields and took control over the media by mid-1990s
 
12:16 PM
I would've guessed it was due to corruption.
 
And oligarchs were new-fangled and with big teeth. A dictatorship can be brought down quickly but what do you do about oligarchs with their own armies, with links to mafia, with money to buy TV channels and courts?
 
And Putin was one of them? Arose from among them?
 
He was from the special services, but they say he was heavily associated with oligarchs. The predominant oligarch Boris Berezovsky basically pushed Putin's candidature through using his money and his men.
 
You putin means soldier's boot in Farsi? :)
 
I remember Berezovsky visiting our region. He flew in his jet all other Russia and by hook and by crook motivated local elites to support Putin
No, I never knew that.
 
12:19 PM
So now you do!
 
But once Putin took power Berezovsky quickly fell out of favor, as Putin moved to assume more and more authority. In the end Berezovsky was exiled and died in a mysterious "suicide" in Britain
Highly mysterious. He had no intention to kill himself, and had some plans and goals.
But basically there are several major oligarchs in Russia closely in cahoots with Putin. Multi-billionaires
There are a lot of journalistic investigations online, but it's such a tiresome read. All is too complex and intertwined. Mafia groups, special services etc.
 
Educative conversation. Gotta run now.
Take care.
 
He is a kind of Louis 14 of Russia. Managed to centralize power to some extent and then went mad and started having wars.
See ya!
 
SBM
12:50 PM
Hello.
 
 
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2:06 PM
@tchrist I've been there, even driven through there, but somehow that particular pronunciation escaped me.
BTW, pro tip: never try driving from Chester to Anglesea on the day before a bank holiday.
 
Also, don't set your satnav to Welsh.
But in English, they still give the dual-name version.
Which is frightening enough.
Meaning, both the English pronunciation and the Welsh pronunciation for cities and such are given by your satnav while travelling in Wales.
So I heard it in the ‹ll› words pronounced.
 

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