@DavidCarlisle I decided to remove the answer, anyways.

@Maïeul I'll try to lay out some basics in my blog over the next few days: might be a short series of posts

@UlrikeFischer Not quite sure what you mean :)

@UlrikeFischer Any DocStrip sources have to be unpacked for testing, so you'd be running tex foo.ins at least first. The problem with that is it changes/adds files 'here' (in the source dir): that's got us into trouble in the past

@UlrikeFischer If you just want to update the unpacked files, texlua build.lua unpack. I'd usually just make a 'disposable' example inside build/unpacked and run it there

@UlrikeFischer I usually just do texlua build.lua install then use my 'generic' test file (lives on my desktop): what we probably could use there is an 'uninstall' target to remove any version in localtexmf. And I still need to deal with marking up local versions as 'DEV' or whatever.

@UlrikeFischer oooh

@JosephWright I thought about running texlua build.lua install (I wouldn't use localtexmf but some dedicated tree that I attach with tlmgr conf auxtrees) but I wonder if it wouldn't slow me down a lot if I have many cycles "change code - install - run test". I will have to try with an arara rule.

@UlrikeFischer What would you 'usually' do?

@UlrikeFischer If you just want the code 'here', you can always manually run TeX on the .ins file anyway ...

@JosephWright cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war ooh

@UlrikeFischer Currently install always goes for the localtexmf tree: I can alter that of course

@UlrikeFischer We currently have local texmfhome = var_value("TEXMFHOME"): I can make texmfhome public and then you can set it to what you want :)

@UlrikeFischer Like I said, for this sort of 'interactive' issue I would usually just directly edit the .sty file somewhere 'convenient', then copy the changes back to the .dtx once I'm done

@JosephWright Until now I have avoid dtx/ins if possible just for this reason. The styles are normally in a special texmf tree and the test files and the documentation outside and I have some scripts to pull everything together if I want to upload. But it is not really perfect and so I'm thinking about other ways.

@JosephWright that would be useful.

@JosephWright It's the manually copying back to the dtx that I fear. I always mess it up ;-). But regarding the "somewhere convenient" is there something like "create a sandbox" which moves everything needed to a folder and then one can play around there?

@UlrikeFischer That's what unpack does

@JosephWright Side-remark: @cfr reminded me of this tex.stackexchange.com/a/406696/2388. Should I add an issue in the tracker?

@UlrikeFischer Please

@UlrikeFischer github.com/latex3/l3build/issues/42

@UlrikeFischer There is no requirement to use .dtx format :) For example, we are using l3build for graphics-def (all unpacked), and I've swapped beamer to l3build.

@UlrikeFischer The entire set up of using a build directory is based around the idea that it's a sandbox for doing 'stuff': usually that's all automated but you can use it manually too. (We say that unpack is largely an internal target, but it is quite usable.)

@UlrikeFischer I guess we have set up somewhat in the direction of test-driven development: if you write the test first, you can fiddle with the code until it passes :) I often end up running the tests, getting a failure, then opening the .lvt from build/test and running it manually to find out what is wrong ;)

@UlrikeFischer I'm trying to get better at logging issues generally: if you look at 'proper' developers, everything is meant to be logged as an issue so you keep track/have metrics/...

@JosephWright added.

@UlrikeFischer Cool: I'll discuss with the rest of the team

@UlrikeFischer I should be able to add a few new features to l3build later today

@UlrikeFischer I think we are starting to get real uptake of the tool: I expect to do quite a lot of work on it over the next couple of months to really tighten up and document things, so third-party users can get straight to work

@UlrikeFischer, @Maïeul Suggestions for blog always welcome (@barbarabeeton then gets them as TUGboat articles!)

@PauloCereda ^^^ Lots of l3build work available!

@JosephWright Indeed, I need to commit my local stuff soon.

@PauloCereda I've set up a GitHub project for 'refactor' (mainly trying out the projects, but I am keen to learn some of the 'real' developer stuff)

@JosephWright cool

SkyLaTeX = Skynet + LaTex == > The Judgement day in Typesetting? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/407112/…

Bah... nevermind. It's a bad geeky joke

overleaf.com/blog/…

@JosephWright our interview format is way funnier. :)

@JosephWright just to be clear: I'm not trying to force my current work flow at all costs onto l3build, I'm more trying to figure out how to improve it. So I'm quite interested in concrete work flow descriptions.

@UlrikeFischer Sure, but at the same time one of the aims of l3build is to be reasonably flexible (which is why a lot of stuff is parameterised)

I poked the TUG office yesterday and got no answer so far. :(

@PauloCereda About?

@JosephWright Two missing TB copies.

@UlrikeFischer I'll see what I can do in my blog on that area too: I'll likely start with the basics of testing, then move on to 'other stuff' (will help to come up with a more comprehensive l3build user guide: one I hope for TUGboat, @barbarabeeton)

@JosephWright Thanks for sharing!

@egreg :)

@egreg I have my sources ;)

@JosephWright ooh

@PauloCereda texample.net/community ;)

@JosephWright ah

@LoopSpace I've locked the meta thread

Quack!

@PauloCereda -- and you need to not forget your thesis.

happy winter solstice to all!

@barbarabeeton ack!

@barbarabeeton yay!

@barbarabeeton What thesis? Oh, that small file inside some deep folder in my laptop?

@JosephWright -- deadline for next issue is early march, but the sooner the better -- we'll be expecting something ...

I wanted my TB's... :(

@PauloCereda -- i've got another matter to talk to the tug office about today, so i'll mention your inquiry. (but i sure wish the brazil post office would get its act together.)

@barbarabeeton Thanks. <3

@barbarabeeton: and yes, the postal service is terrible. :)

@barbarabeeton I'll work on it

@PauloCereda :(

Shipment arrived at Amazon facility
Hebron, KENTUCKY US

YAY

Wait a minute, there is a fried chicken thingy there! OH NO

I am out of Pringles, so I had to try some Doritos.

Current rep four me

@Marijn yay

@Marijn :-)

@Marijn Congrats!

@DavidCarlisle -- surprised you didn't grumble about the comma.

Lately, my university has been producing a musical Christmas gift for employees. I thought this year's gift was a bit boring, but I'd like to share last year's gift with y'all: It has the added advantage of being in English, but it is also quite good, I thought:

@barbarabeeton A surprising display of good manners.

@PauloCereda And no ducks were harmed in the production.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Yay!

@Marijn Nice that the number of silver badges also fits the sequence!

@UlrikeFischer I had seen it, yes

@JosephWright: interesting, which version of Lua does texlua use?

I am sticking with Lua 5.3 code...

@PauloCereda Same as LuaTeX (5.2)

@JosephWright oh

@barbarabeeton 'tis the season of goodwill

@DavidCarlisle so you won't be mean to me? :)

@PauloCereda am I ever?

@DavidCarlisle yes, lots of time :)

@JosephWright I wonder if luaotfload contains anything that will be affected.

Happy solstice everybody! (A little late – it was two minutes ago.)

@HaraldHanche-Olsen Damn, I lost it while waiting for the train! :-)

@egreg Am I too late too?

@barbarabeeton: Robin replied to me. Thank you. :)

@PauloCereda -- actually, i haven't yet sent my message, so it's really robin who deserves to be thanked. (robin is very prompt about such things unless she's away.)

@barbarabeeton ooh :) Double thanks to her then! I will suggest a compromise solution for those missing TB's, I don't want to annoy the office almost every issue.

@PauloCereda The time of the solstice is independent of geographic location, so yes. However, you can celebrate any time on the given day! Myself, I like to have a drink at the exact moment, but today I couldn't, since I needed to be able to drive. I am catching up now, though.

@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh

@PauloCereda Have a nice summer!

Teaching is over. The last 2 days were tough as I got a cold :-(

@egreg Thank you!

@yo' oh no

For Rickrolling fans: cornellsun.com/2017/11/10/…

@yo' -- feel better. some hot chocolate should help. even better, chicken soup.

@barbarabeeton why not both? :)

@PauloCereda -- but not mixed together!

@barbarabeeton indeed!

@barbarabeeton duck soup?

@AlanMunn -- good prank that. my sister attended cornell and the best prank of her era was one in which an elephant-foot wastebasket was used to make "footprints" out onto the frozen-over lake to a hole chopped in the ice. since ithaca's drinking water comes from the lake (or at least used to), there were a lot of people who were avoiding it for some time.

@DavidCarlisle -- nope. no sense in annoying the ducks.

@DavidCarlisle -- and you've got more mail. thanks.

@barbarabeeton That's fantastic!

@barbarabeeton yep got it, will look this evening

@DavidCarlisle you are mean

@barbarabeeton you are good <3

@AlanMunn -- there's a good prank from brown, though before my time ... a couple of frat rats went down the hill and purchased a barber pole from a barber shop. got a nice clear receipt. walked it back up the hill, were stopped by a cop. showed him the receipt. oh, okay. so they went back down the hill and came up by another route. stopped by another cop. same story. soon the cops put out the word, it's okay, they've got a receipt.

next morning, there was a big pile of barber poles in the middle of the brown campus. but the cops had failed to get the culprits' names ...

@PauloCereda -- clearly an illusion.

@barbarabeeton nah

@barbarabeeton Very clever. I don't think McGill has a prank tradition (of if it does, I never became aware of it.)

@barbarabeeton chicken soup is weak. Beef and vegetable broth for the rescue!

@barbarabeeton do subsections that are followed by a subsubsection (eg 3.3 alphabets and digits) also want a . ? internally it's a run-in heading but as there is no actual text it looks like a display heading (detecting that automatically may be hard)

@yo' -- you clearly didn't have a jewish grandmother.

@barbarabeeton no, not really

@barbarabeeton too bad we will be far from home, you'd surely love to try galinhada from my mum:

@DavidCarlisle -- i think that any heading that stands by itself shoud not have a period (although others disagree). however, the amsart \nopunct facility is just fine for use in those cases. (gotta figure out a way to patch it into article with hyperref.)

@PauloCereda I prefer patinhada myself. And I'm sure @DavidCarlisle does too.

@PauloCereda -- that does look good!

@AlanMunn -- some good ones have also come out of mit and caltech. but mcgill has other things to recommend it. (it's in montreal, for one thing.)

@barbarabeeton Yes, MIT pranks are very well known. UWaterloo where I started out had a bit of that tradition too, especially among the engineers.

@AlanMunn você é malvado. :)

@yo' -- i'll try to find a good recipe. best to start with the carcass of a roast chicken. the bones make the best broth.

@barbarabeeton it does, and it tastes even better! :)

@AlanMunn, @barbarabeeton: pranks are kind of forbidden in here because of some very, very bad incidents.

@CarLaTeX oh

@barbarabeeton you got mail