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12:00 AM
Ever have those moments when you post something on a 5 and a half year old question and you get an upvote in less than 3 seconds?
>.> Very strange
 
Heh heh, once
Was it one of those super famous questions?
 
0_0
 
Only 3000 views
 
Hey, I found something really cool
A continuous and differentiable half-iterate of $e^x$.
 
12:01 AM
O.O
 
:D
 
Oh, btw, did I ever mention there's a chat room sorta dedicated to very large numbers?

 Ordinality?

Trying to understand extraordinarily large numbers.
 
Ooh
yours?
Ooh ooh
I have a problem for you
"Prove that there exists no differentiable function $h:\mathbb R\mapsto\mathbb R$ such that $h(h(x))=\cos(x)$."
 
oh dear, not that problem again
Pretty sure I've seen it
Looked at it.
 
Oh really?
 
12:04 AM
And then never came back to it.
 
Perhaps you're thinking of $\sin(x)$.
That one actually has a half-iterate
 
x'D Well if it was $\sin(x)$, I probably considered $\cos(x)$.
There's an MO post on it.
brb real quick
 
For cos(x)?
Oh, found it
 
k, back
@Nilknarf :P
Under the tag.
 
Whoooah
Why isn't that a tag on regular MSE?! D:<
I want that tag
I'm gonna make it
 
12:09 AM
Lol
You gonna fill in the tag wiki?
 
How do I do that?
 
@Nilknarf Btw, don't put the tag on too many questions really quickly.
 
Okay, I just did 3 of mine
Lol, in my calc class we finished all of the AB material and we're taking a practice AB exam
 
My calc teacher said "you all seem to be having trouble with area and volume problems, so tomorrow we'll spend the day going over those again."
facepalm
 
12:23 AM
lol
I feel you
@Nilknarf nice talk x'D
 
XD
sorry, I'm writing an involved answer
involving my half-iterate of $e^x$
 
:P
Btw, I wrote a notation that I'm now calling Simply's Ordinal Array Program (SOAP).
 
Heh heh
still not as intimidating as PAIN
show me?
 
12:38 AM
Uh
Working on that
Come back tomorrow x'D
 
haha ok
 
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A: BigNum Bakeoff Reboot

Simply Beautiful ArtRuby, fψ0(X(ΩM+X(ΩM+1ΩM+1)))+29(999) where M is the first Mahlo 'ordinal', X is the chi function (Mahlo collapsing function), and ψ is the ordinal collapsing function. f=->a,n,b=a,q=n{c,d,e=a;!c ?[q]:a==c ?a-1:e==0||e&&d==0?c:e ?[[c,d,f[e,n,b,q]],f[d,n,b,q],c]:n<1?9:!d ?[f[b,n-1],c]:c==0?n:[t=[...

Program implementation of SOAP up to some really big stuff
 
Ah
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A: How do I construct a function $\operatorname{sog}$ such that $\operatorname{sog}\circ\operatorname{sog} = \log$?

NilknarfThis question already has a great answer, but I thought that you might like to see an actual piecewise construction of such a function (defined on $(-\ln(2),\infty)$). My function is not analytic, but it is continuous and differentiable on $\mathbb R$. First notice that if we find a function $h$...

Here's the answer I was working on
Yay, $\color{green}{\uparrow}$
was that you?
 
12:45 AM
lol
 
The derivative is not so smooth...
 
Derivative is continuous
= smooth enough
 
heh
$$y=h''(x)$$
yuck!
 
and it just keeps devolving from there :P
Heh
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Q: Limit for number of questions where tag can be added by tag-creator soon after the creation of tag

Martin SleziakOccasionally we have seen a situation like this: A user creates a new tag. The tag is then discussed on meta and the consensus is that the tag is not suitable and should be completely removed. However, it takes some time until somebody notices the tag and brings up the issue on meta. And then the...

Heh heh
 
12:50 AM
>_>
 
what the heck does that face mean?
 
No idea
but I like it
 
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
(☞ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)☞
 
12:53 AM
x'D
Still writing explanation of SOAP
very lengthy
 
Where are you writing it?
on the bakeoff page?
 
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Q: What is the fastest growing total computable function you can describe in a few lines?

Nik Z.What is the fastest growing total computable function you can describe in a few lines? Well, not necessarily the fastest - I just would like to know how far an ingenious mathematician can go using only a few lines, and what systematic approaches exist for this purpose. How farther you can go if ...

I already have like 2 answers
But SOAP is very big
 
Ok, gtg
Tell me about it tomorrow!
 
1:36 AM
Hey @Chicken
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A: What is the fastest growing total computable function you can describe in a few lines?

Simply Beautiful ArtAfter having written quite a few programs related to large numbers and recursion over on ppcg.SE, I came up with this really interesting notation which I now call Simply's Ordinal Array Program (SOAP), and I'll explain a tweaked version that's nicer on the eyes than what my actual program does. ...

Ugh
There ya go
 
 
13 hours later…
2:34 PM
@SimplyBeautifulArt I’ve heard of a function which grows so fast that PA doesn’t know if it’s defined everywhere
have you heard of such functions?
 
2:50 PM
@LeakyNun yah
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Q: Growth-rate vs totality

user77335How can one prove the statement, "If a function grows fast enough, it cant be proven total in PA, unless PA is inconsistent"? How fast must it grow to be not provably total?

In general, a formal system cannot determine the totality of a function that grows as fast as $f_x(n)$ for any $x\ge\text{proof-theoretic-ordinal(formal system)}$.
The proof-theoretic-ordinal(PA) = ε_0, the first epsilon number.
ofc, $f_x(n)$ is the fast growing hierarchy.
 
 
8 hours later…
10:31 PM
@SimplyBeautifulArt following your post, would it be correct to say that PA cannot prove that f is total, where f(n) is the first occurrence of 0 in the Goodstein sequence that starts with n?
 
@LeakyNun yup
 
do you have more examples?
 
Any function that eventually dominates $f_x (n) $ for any ordinal $x $ that can be written in Cantor normal form base $\omega $.
TREE sequence is anither famous example
 
@SimplyBeautifulArt yes, but examples, not classes of examples
 
So is SOAP for a lot of inputs.
Or a function that directly diagonalizes over PA
 
or any stronger formal system.
@LeakyNun yes that
 
sometimes it's amazing how large cardinals can get: uncountably cardinals barely make it through my mind
sometimes it's more amazing how large finite numbers can get
 
:P
I'll be back in about 10 minutes
 
10:58 PM
@SimplyBeautifulArt back, in case @LeakyNun has anymore to say.
@LeakyNun uncountable cardinals are nothing compared to inaccessible cardinals.
 
@SimplyBeautifulArt sure
they are still, in some sense, nothing compared with large finite numbers
at least we can write them down in symbols
 
Which are nothing compared to 1- $\alpha$ hyper inaccessible cardinals.
:P
If you notate inaccessible cardinals as $I(\dots)$ like you would the Veblen function, they wouldn't compare to the Mahlo cardinals.
:/ in the fast growing hierarchy, SOAP grows so fast, Mahlo cardinals are pretty much needed to notate the size of my numbers in the fast growing hierarchy
 
"TREE(3)+1 is bigger than TREE(3)"
 
:P
In SOAP, $g(\{\{\{0\},3,\{0,0\}\},2,\{\{0,0\},4,1\}\},n)\approx TREE(n)$
Least I'm pretty sure...
No wait, I screwed up.
 
you gotta define that $\approx$ boi
 
11:10 PM
Heck with these complicated arrays
$g(\{\{0\},3,\{0,0\}\},n) \le TREE(n) \le g(\{\{0\},4,1\},n)$ for all large enough $n$.
Probably $n\ge3$ is fine.
For the thought of it, the RHS expression approximately reduces down to $g(\{\{0\},3,\{0\}\},n)$, if you want to compare it to the LHS.
 

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