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1:01 AM
^ a good outcome for a new user (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/398877/…)
 
 
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7:13 AM
@DavidCarlisle Yummy!
 
@DavidCarlisle Do you have Google translated "duck" in every language?
 
7:37 AM
@CarLaTeX And pineapple pizza? Except in Italian of course – it would probably be a grammatical error in Italian.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Surely!
 
7:57 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen it translates to L'originale e il migliore in Italian
 
@DavidCarlisle Most likely "eresia"!
 
8:15 AM
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
 
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@Johannes_B oh no
 
10:37 AM
@Johannes_B “So you recommend not bold them. So did I tell him but he insists on it!”. Then “Please, you go first,” would be my reply.
 
@egreg Why should i reply to that? I cannot. I simply cannot.
 
@Johannes_B That should be Tolaso’s reply to the customer.
 
@egreg There is always the risk of losing the customer. I bet he won't do it.
 
@Johannes_B Why don't he use \mathversion{bold}?
 
11:05 AM
@Johannes_B \boldmath
 
@UlrikeFischer @DavidCarlisle I don't want to destroy the world.
 
@Johannes_B Mathematics is good, so bold mathematics is even better
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@Johannes_B You don't know the font setup of the document. Perhaps it uses some thick textfont along with some too thin mathematic.
 
@Johannes_B still since there is a standard latex command that does exactly what is asked, you should probably answer with that
 
11:08 AM
@UlrikeFischer Possible, i don't know.
 
@Johannes_B you couldn't bear to write it yourself? :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle No :-)
 
@Johannes_B so you now blame me if the world is destroyed ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer If the world will be destroyed, nobody is going to be blamed. No worries.
@UlrikeFischer Any idea for something simple but exciting to cook? Always looking for new recipes :-)
 
@Johannes_B Ask @DavidCarlisle. He's the food expert.
 
11:15 AM
@egreg He will suggest pineapple :-/
 
@egreg I was going to suggest @PauloCereda's duck soup
 
@Johannes_B I don't know what you call simple but duck with orange sauce would probably excite some people.
 
@UlrikeFischer Duck? Oh no.
 
@DavidCarlisle oh no
 
 
11:16 AM
@PauloCereda Oh no
 
@Johannes_B oh no
 
why is everyone being so negative?
 
@Johannes_B See I was right. We had sunday risotto venere with zander (@egreg). Was quite good.
 
@DavidCarlisle <3
 
@UlrikeFischer I made potato soup the other day. I would post an image, but i don't know how with the mobile version. Maybe @Paulo can upload the pic?
 
11:20 AM
@Johannes_B Si señor penguino. :)
 
@PauloCereda Thanks. @UlrikeFischer ^^^^ Potato soup with Bockwurst :-)
 
@Johannes_B Das Potatosoupmitsausage.
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@Johannes_B It's duck-safe. :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda unlike foie gras :)
 
11:29 AM
@yo' oh no
 
@Johannes_B Part of our duck protection scheme: Eat goose!
2
 
yo'
@PauloCereda if I brought you some in July and you tasted it, would you be a cannibal?
 
@UlrikeFischer Mh, good alternative. :-)
 
@yo' not if I don't know what I am eating. :)
@UlrikeFischer ooh geese are fun. :)
I don't get tired of this video. :)
Why I am expecting @DavidCarlisle to mention "dinner delivery" or something along those lines? :)
 
@PauloCereda not everyone is as predictable as you
 
11:40 AM
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
12:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle Choose your pizza ;)
 
@JosephWright oh no
 
@PauloCereda :)
 
@JosephWright I want a Romana, please. :)
 
@PauloCereda Good plan
 
@JosephWright WOW
 
1:01 PM
@JosephWright mail sent:(
 
Hi chat
 
@BAYMAX yello
 
Yeah yellow is ur colour
.
A query though , I have a figure and i want to write a paragraph below the figure only but while including the figure and writing a paragraph below the figure and compiling it doesnot give me the desired thing rather the text shifts above the figure!
 
\begin{figure}
\includegraphics{foo}
Text here.
\end{figure}
:)
 
@BAYMAX the text won't shift but a figure environment specifies that its content can be moved (that is all it does) if you do not want that to move you shouldn't be using a figure environment.
 
1:30 PM
@PauloCereda nice it works but the figure with the paragarph went to another section
@DavidCarlisle if i remove the term $\textit{figure}$ i get fatal error
 
@BAYMAX A figure environment is a float, and as @DavidCarlisle mentioned in the messages above, the context will move when needed. If you need an absolute position, you'd be better not using figure at all.
 
but in sharelatex it doesnot even compile if i remove figure
 
@BAYMAX Well, you haven't told us anything that could be used to diagnose the problem.
 
Sorry but i was asking the query, i certianly have no idea how to solve the problem,sorry
 
@BAYMAX Do you have a caption? Use package float and add H -> \begin{figure}[H]. But if the image is not allowed to move, you don't really need a caption.
 
1:54 PM
Started on slides for talk two at UK-TUG ...
 
@BAYMAX if your input is wrong then you will get an error message saying what is wrong, but if you neither show your input nor the error how can anyone help?
@JosephWright wow you are two ahead of me
 
@DavidCarlisle They are going to be short, don't worry
@DavidCarlisle I expect an 'interesting' meeting: free pizza will be good!
@DavidCarlisle I'll bring some pineapple, don't worry ;)
@DavidCarlisle Reminds me I need to fix the bb business in the driver code
 
2:11 PM
@JosephWright ooh
@DavidCarlisle I have a prepared talk too. :)
 
2:24 PM
Halloween ctan. It cries!
 
@UlrikeFischer It makes me want to punch giraffes. :)
 
@DavidCarlisle Is there a way to prevent those messages from appearing?
 
@AlanMunn The LaTeX .log is really meant as a full account of the run, not just 'major warnings': this is by-design ...
 
2:40 PM
@JosephWright That's what I thought. I just wanted something authoritative. :)
 
@AlanMunn Talk to Frank ;)
@AlanMunn I favour a much less 'talkative' approach but my writ only runs to expl3
 
@JosephWright TeXShop has a nice feature in its log view to filter out all sorts of things.
 
@AlanMunn That's one of the reasons of arara being really quiet. :)
 
@PauloCereda Which given its name is kind of ironic. :)
 
@AlanMunn I was thinking the same! :)
@AlanMunn: I think percusse once suggested me a silent verbosey mode, something along the lines of --sibose. :)
@UlrikeFischer: I had to warn the TL list about an incident. :D
 
2:45 PM
@PauloCereda Isn't that a Simon and Garfunkle song?
 
@PauloCereda ;-) But I had warned you ...
 
@AlanMunn LOL
@UlrikeFischer You said it cried, nothing about a scream. :)
 
3:03 PM
@PauloCereda The rotating pumpkin/lion is really scary. ;-)The font is Schoolbell fontsquirrel.com/fonts/schoolbell
 
@egreg oh I was trying to find which font they used!
 
@PauloCereda ^^^^
 
@egreg ooh!
 
3:34 PM
@UlrikeFischer It is annoying :-/
 
@PauloCereda Noot Noot
 
@Johannes_B <3
 
@PauloCereda <3
@PauloCereda Well, the scream. What about that? clips.twitch.tv/StylishScrumptiousBobaTheTarFu
 
@Johannes_B LOL
 
4:22 PM
@AlanMunn \def\wlog#1{}
 
@DavidCarlisle I didn't dare to suggest this ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer -- @DavidCarlisle has few inhibitions in this regard. let the buyer beware.
 
@barbarabeeton or he knows better where \wlog is used ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer \def\wlog#1{^^J!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^J! look at me^^J! I have as many ! as unicode-math and expl3^^J#1^^J!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!}
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@UlrikeFischer David will be dressed as vim for Halloween. :)
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4:28 PM
@JosephWright ^^
@PauloCereda I'd never be able to get out and be stuck in costume all year
 
@DavidCarlisle Everybody wins!
 
@DavidCarlisle ! LaTeX Error: Missing \begin{document}. ;-(
 
@DavidCarlisle As you know, those are meant to give us the possibility of clearer separation of messages :)
 
@DavidCarlisle You probably meant
\def\wlog#1{\immediate\write-1{^^J!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^J! look at me^^J! I have as many ! as unicode-math and expl3^^J#1^^J!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!}}
 
@DavidCarlisle ^^ "separation" :D
 
4:32 PM
@UlrikeFischer er, yes:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle We should ask @Skillmon to combine it with some ducks from ducksay.
 
@JosephWright ! is a bit unfortunate though as it complicates looking for lines beginning with ! for primitive tex errors
 
                           ,..--------...
                     ,.--'|              /''-..
                 ,-''      \            /      `-.
              ,-'           \          /          `-.
            ,'               |        /              `.
          ,'                 .       /                 '
         ,\_              _,,'-------`._             ,- `.
        /   `._       .-''              `-.        ,'     \
      ,'       `._ _,'                     `.   ,-'        \
     /           .'                          `\'            \____
 
@DavidCarlisle Hmm: we could always revisit this if necessary (perhaps not one of my better ideas)
 
Why is CTAN moaning and shouting at me?!
 
4:37 PM
@bertieb In my case it's usually a bad upload, but ...
 
The woman's shrieks are almost NSFW :o
 
@bertieb Have you checked it is CTAN or a witch in your closet?
:-p
 
Mousing over elements causes more noises
Is there a way to disable it?
 
@bertieb Wait for tomorrow. Halloween will be over.
 
@bertieb You can set the skin back in the settings.
 
4:45 PM
@UlrikeFischer Thanks!
 
@bertieb That's one of the benefits of such changes: people discover the settings ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer Fair enough- playing unexpected audio with no obvious way to disable it is a cardinal sin on the internet tho
 
@PauloCereda You clearly took it in better humour than I did :P Probably doesn't help that I'm trying to track down documentation on a package because it isn't working the way I expect (likely PEBKAC), so that already set the mood before I visited CTAN...
 
@bertieb ouch, sorry to hear. :) I agree that the sound thingy really pushed too much...
 
4:52 PM
@PauloCereda Well, if it's the worst thing that happens to me today I can hardly complain too much :P
 
@bertieb :D
We ducks are very easy to scare.
 
Indeed!
 
I see two ducks here, let's try.
@CarLaTeX: BOO
@JosephWright: BOO
 
Can't figure out where I'm going wrong. Trying to add scanned pages (jpgs) using pdfpages' \includepdf. Images are inserted fine but I would like to add them to the TOC (see eg this answer. But pdfpages is complaining 'There's something wrong with the entries of addtotoc'
 
@bertieb Do you have a MWE? It might help us track the problem down.
 
5:00 PM
\includepdf[addtotoc={2,section,1,"Clerk-in 1",clerk1}]{./scans/clerkA1.jpg}

where: `2` is the page number, `section` is section-level, `1` is depth, `Clerk-in 1` is TOC title and `clerk1` is the label.
@PauloCereda Not sure of the best way of producing a true MWE- will see if I can put something together quickly
 
@bertieb I didn't even know includepdf could include jpg, why not \includegraphics?
 
@DavidCarlisle Er, suggested somewhere in another answer for how to include an image as a full page. Turned out to be handy as it (in theory) has addtotoc to update the TOC too.
You don’t even have to convert it first, you can just go \includepdf{my_image.jpg}. — doncherry Aug 1 at 16:46
^^ well, a comment to an answer...
MWE and xelatex log
If there is a different/better way to include scanned pages as full pages in a document, with corresponding updates to page numbers and TOC entries, I am happy to do that!
My mistake indeed- misunderstood the first argument (page)
Cheers for the advice tho- MWE'ing it let me debug in a more helpful way :)
 
5:17 PM
@bertieb ooh
@DavidCarlisle: See? The bloke is happy! ^^
 
@DavidCarlisle :D
 
@bertieb if it works it works I'm just surprised (although of course I never read the package documentation:-) I'd have probably gone \clearpage\includegraphics{zz.jpg}\addtocontents{whatever you want to say}\clearpage with whatever spacing is needed to make the image come in the right place
 
@PauloCereda 👍😀🦆
@DavidCarlisle Fair enough- will keep that in mind for future (didn't know / forgot about \addtocontents)- that said, now that it's working it seems to be a DWIM solution (images sized correctly etc) :)
 
5:35 PM
@bertieb yes not saying you shouldn't use it, just that I learned something:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Taken as such :) Still [re]learning loads myself - such as \addtocontents - as you can see!
 
@DavidCarlisle: people seem to enjoy the idea of you portrayed as vim for Halloween. :)
 
@PauloCereda person not people
 
@DavidCarlisle I cannot star my own message, so there's at least another duck person.
 
What's so scary about vim, out of interest?
I saw
2 days ago, by David Carlisle
@AGoldMan my in depth vim review:
Apr 12 '13 at 16:40, by David Carlisle
user image
But really it's not that bad :P
Not as bad as ed, for sure :D
 
5:48 PM
@bertieb ed, you say? ed is the editor!
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@HaraldHanche-Olsen :D ED IS NIRVANA!
 
There we go again:
 
Heh
I think if that comic was written nowadays, there'd be a few more layers... Notepad++, Eclipse, <an IDE implemented in Minecraft redstone>
Still clearly relevant, though :P
 
@bertieb Ed is a horse.
 
@AlanMunn That's Mister Ed to you~ :P
 
5:55 PM
@bertieb :)
 
I was about to ask what Mister Ed's first name was, but clearly it was "Mister"...
 
@PauloCereda Given that today is Reformation day, this is kind of like the Protestants: can't agree on anything except that they hate the Catholics. :)
 
@AlanMunn oh :)
user image
3
Google never ceases to amuse me. :)
 
6:07 PM
@AlanMunn if you are not too busy, poke Skype. :)
@AlanMunn Holy slapping!
 
@UlrikeFischer I don't know what this \wlog is :( and the ducksay stuff is typeset using tabular environments, nothing for console output.
 
Please save the ducks
 
@PauloCereda which ones? and for which reason? ducksay should be safe.
 
@Skillmon ooh <3
Thank you, mr. rabbit! :)
 
6:29 PM
@Skillmon \wlog is the command that writes stuff to the log file. We were joking about redefining it in funny ways.
 
@AlanMunn Then you might use one of "my" animals, but have to grab the ascii-art by hand from the source file.
 
6:53 PM
@PauloCereda Qua boo qua boo qua boo
 
7:15 PM
Saying thank you. I'm new to all this and just had a question answered so wanted to say 'thanks' as a comment but it says not to. Is it frowned on to do so? - seems a bit rude not to really. I did click on the vote up button as mentioned in the Help center.
 
@Robert The StackExchange model is that voting tells people answers are good: comments are ideally in some way 'useful'
 
@Robert you can/should also accept one of the answers, the occasional thanks comment doesn't hurt too much even though as a general rule the network discourages comments that don't have technical content
 
ah, ok, just realised: that's the difference between the pen logo and the tick - sorry to be so dumb!
 
7:42 PM
@Robert -- that comes with being a newbie. we were all newbies once. glad you find the site useful.
 
@Robert phew you didn't give the tick to @egreg, that's good! (he has far too many already)
 
8:05 PM
I was thinking about emacs
and since it includes everything but the kitchen sink
it must be like a friend who makes you dinner
but the type that doesn't wash your dishes
 
@AGoldMan It does collect the garbage.
 
yo'
8:45 PM
@AlanMunn Not quite the case, but whatever you wish :)
 
@yo' Of course not, but it is a joke after all.
@yo' BTW, how should the P of probability be set e.g. P(a|b) Should the P be upright or not?
@egreg ^^^ also
 
yo'
9:04 PM
@AlanMunn IMHO upright; some people even use \mathbb{P}
Also be careful about the spacing of the vertical bar
 
@yo' Hmm. I'm also seeing italics...
 
yo'
@AlanMunn you see a lot of stuff typeset (well, I do, and sometimes it frightens me)
 
9:38 PM
@AlanMunn I have always used \DeclareMathOperator{\Probability}{P}, although I am guessing that is totally wrong.
 
@StrongBad surely it's only Probably wrong:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle with P=1.0?
 
yo'
9:55 PM
@StrongBad well, as \Probability shall always be followed by (, it shouldn't matter whether you use this or \mathrm{P}
 
@yo' is that true even if i sometimes use \left( instead of just (? I never understand what math mode is doing in terms of spacing
 
yo'
@StrongBad neither me, but 1+\sin(a+b) should look the same as 1+\mathrm{sin}(a+b), no matter whether you use plain (), \left\right, \Bigl or whatever
@StrongBad ^^
 
@yo' Looking back at when I started to make P an operator I was creating some notation for upper and lower bounds on the probability so I had superscripts and I was doing things like P_{red}. But who knows.
 
yo'
@StrongBad but then you used P_{red} as a constant, right? In that case, making it an operator is probably completely wrong :-)
 
10:10 PM
@yo' as I told David, P=1.0 that when it comes to math I am probably wrong. If it is math and LaTeX then $P > 1$ :)
 
yo'
@StrongBad :)
 
@AlanMunn I'd consider it an operator.
 
10:23 PM
@egreg @StrongBad @yo' Thanks everyone.
 
10:44 PM
@egreg you don't know of any pre-packaged fix for last line of RaggedLeft do you? vvv
@Matthias not easily. In captions, as they are in a box not on the main vertical list as in my example, you could in theory set it with \parfillskip set to the default \fill glue then the warning would go but the last line of the paragraph would always go flush left then you could use \lastbox to dis-assemble the box and re-position the last line flush right, but it's not easy and rather fragile and might clash with other macros eg color would make it hard, and ignoring the warning in this case is certainly easier. — David Carlisle 1 min ago
 
@DavidCarlisle Not ATM
 
@egreg OK:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle \RaggedRight and \RaggedLeft are for large paragraphs; they set \rightskip or \leftskip to 0pt plus 20pt, which is very likely to cause underfull boxes
 
@egreg yes, the package doc could have mentioned that....
 

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