The Nineteenth Byte

Destructible Lemon

12:00 AM

anyway how about my koth idea?

the programming part is putting all the pieces in the right place

Zach Gates

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I think you meant "an online question" ;)

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@ZachGates GG

-1

A: Output with the same length as the code

Brain-Flak, 45 bytes )Error at character 0: Unopened ')' character Try it online!

Why was that downvoted?

ASCII-only

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Because using an error is not allowed....

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Ohh wrong challenge let me use errors

The double length one

ASCII-only

@Pavel wait. so you basically have infinite swords

Magic Octopus Urn

12:09 AM

codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/13934/59376 Yes? No? Maybe so with tweaks, rbro?

Pavel

@ASCII-only Well no, there's a check that if (swords.Count == 0) return; statement that makes sure you can't continue working when you have 0 swords.

ASCII-only

@Pavel Just take two swords at once to bypass that

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn script to check if valid

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ gosh darn rooty toot'n fruity... making one in 05AB1E.

Pavel

@ASCII-only You can see why this hackathrone thing is poorly implemented.

Magic Octopus Urn

12:12 AM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I mean you got me banned one night for your naughty word list xD.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn what?

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

100 Letters is the Perfect Amount Oxford dictionary lists the most commonly used English letters in the following order: EARIOTNSLCUDPMHGBFYWKVXZJQ And assigns each the following frequencies: For the purpose of this challenge, the diagram will be simplified as follows: z 1 q 1 x 1 j...

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ remember when you starred a word list of "dude you gotta see this word list, it's hilarious" and it was a github list of swears?

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ was autobanned after for 30 minutes xD

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn I have no idea

Link?

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ ._. you were banned for 30 minutes (after you logged out) too haha

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

12:16 AM

@MagicOctopusUrn What? I don't remember any of this

Magic Octopus Urn

Im almost certain the SE engine thought we posted, erm, horrid images.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Do you know of the conversation around it?

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ do you have a guy named you but without "christopher" in front...?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn yeah

That was me

I just don't remember that conversation

Do you know of the conversation around it?

How would I get banned for 30 for a star?

@MagicOctopusUrn Wait I posted that?

HyperNeutrino

You posted it and then MOU relinked it and then you both got banned IIRC lol

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

12:24 AM

@HyperNeutrino When did I do that?!?! wtf was I on???

That is so retarded

HyperNeutrino

no idea maybe I remembered incorrectly

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino shrug

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ it was an auto-ban like 30 minutes after a convo with DJMc

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn No that I would post that

Magic Octopus Urn

I'm assuming it was the system finally caching the link or something like, "wow, this kid just literally said every offensive word other than the kitchen sink..." and banned us, pretty sure the system auto-flags and caches, then AI analyzes all links posted that are flagged.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Huh

@DJMcMayhem you remember this?

Magic Octopus Urn

12:29 AM

>_> you went offline like 5 minutes after doing it.

I personally don't care, I laughed.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I actually have no memory of this

I think I would remember posting a list of swear words

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I was like, 1/2 a mouse click away from linking the same list of words.

HyperNeutrino

oh so you didn't relink+kick

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn go kitchen sink yourself

Now I have said them all!

HyperNeutrino

kick

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

12:33 AM

@MagicOctopusUrn Do you have a link to the area around this conversation?

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino am I allowed to link the username of the github who posted it?

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ also, no, it was all removed, as it should be.

HyperNeutrino

plsno but I know what it is

Magic Octopus Urn

Am I being trolled >_>

HyperNeutrino

yes

Magic Octopus Urn

Oh

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

12:35 AM

@MagicOctopusUrn pls do

HyperNeutrino

@MagicOctopusUrn jk lol

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

say it in magic room

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I created a private chat

Idk if its private, pls confirm lol.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Close enough

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I have literally no idea how to get back to that room. I posted the usernam of the guy on github who hosted the list.

Just google "github" + that guys name.

HyperNeutrino

12:37 AM

You could always use discord...

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn i saw it

Yep that is the list

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ ... how do you go from literally 0 memory to 100% memory instantly?

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I don't remember the ban thingy but I recognize the list name

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ -_. you went offline right before either just I, or both I and you got auto-banned.

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ for 30 minutes

And the auto-ban had the list attached, which technologically impressed me.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Wow impressive

Huh interesting. WOW that list is creative

Lol but i thought some profanity was OK???

HyperNeutrino

12:41 AM

> some

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ as I said I'm guessing SE caches links in reported posts (to analyze which are spammers) and found the link to be profane (as in possible po**ography)

HyperNeutrino

do you have any idea what this word means

you just did ...(...)...)

o fixed

Magic Octopus Urn

I mean I dunno though, that's a really cool concept. It goes along with that 'users report, users maintain, users enjoy' thing SE has.

shrugs

DJMcMayhem

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ It wasn't Christopher who originally posted it, it was caird

Whoops, pinged the wrong person

But @MagicOctopusUrn and caird both received 30 minute suspensions for validated flags

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem Lol, wellp, that explains that..

DJMcMayhem

12:48 AM

For the same link

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem is that how that works? You validate the flagged messages then it responds?

DJMcMayhem

Sort of

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem not trying to place blame or anything, just curious about how deep SE really looks into posted links.

@DJMcMayhem I've loved SE's ideas of "your community runs your application"...

DJMcMayhem

There's two things that could have happened: 1) any regular user flagged it, then any mod or several 10k users from any site agreed with the flag or 2) a mod flagged it and it was instantly validated

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem haaaa! So ALL mods decide what is appropriate? Hence why someone linked me the "brain----" discussions :P?

@DJMcMayhem ****it, then I definitely deserved it xD. I'm also sad the detection systems aren't as advanced as I thought.

HyperNeutrino

12:53 AM

Huh I don't remember seeing a flag notif. Probably a mod self-validated it or it was so fast that I was not on chat for those like 2 minutes

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@DJMcMayhem I remember the list not posting it

DJMcMayhem

Sorry, I gtg

HyperNeutrino

o/

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem <3 enjoy your night man, sorry to tag you.

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn what???

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

12:55 AM

now I know why I don't remember posting it XD

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only I mean, this is a community inaugurates community website, right?

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn I guess that's a kinda different idea, but I'd say really the only reason why this is is because SE is so different from every other site out there, it's more like a question board than a forum (reddit)

Also users can't create sites without consensus

It's meant to be... more of a higher quality website than most forums I guess?

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only it's also community centric right? You decide badges and such, but in the past such communities based on vbulletin and SMF, etc, do not rely on the user-base to set-up and fund content. This does that impressively.

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn You decide badges????

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only like I can go start a "necromancy lore" board, but I need x, y and z before they allow it, then it can grow wild in my hands.

@ASCII-only thats how I understood what happened here, I'm new so, not fully sure.

ASCII-only

1:01 AM

@MagicOctopusUrn Yes, because of the limitations of vbulletin and SMF :P AFAIK they're conventional forum software, meaning everything's controlled by mods/admins

Which is what you want in most forums

@MagicOctopusUrn :/ i don't understand

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only my point, and only point, was that the success of SE was entirely due to that factor.

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn Well of course :P but that was the intention of SE after all

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only and I thought they'd implemented "AI Moderators" when, in fact, they had opened "flagged posts" to all SE moderators in a "crowd-sourced" profanity-AI. Which, is socially more impressive.... Technologically, not so much.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I like how they have so many websites yet most don't make money ours or exmple

ASCII-only

Plus it takes so much of the load off the devs - they have to do basically nothing on the actual site, they can spend all their time improving the site itself

Magic Octopus Urn

1:04 AM

@ASCII-only The entire conversation was based on a misconception of mine, that SE implemented "link scanning technology, that detected profane posts".

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn :P There's Charcoal/SmokeDetector (basically the best spam filter), I'm not entirely sure when it'll be integrated though :P

@MagicOctopusUrn link scanning? what exactly would they scan though

Magic Octopus Urn

@ASCII-only based on the context of the conversation, I had assumed it'd scan the link for p**ography-related words, links, and learned vectors. Not sure, we implemented the same sort of crap in our SPL class at OSU

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn Ah, that may be a good idea to discuss with Charcoal's devs? Not sure if they already do that

Magic Octopus Urn

Tag clouds wouldn't take long to create for posted links, if you only parsed the flagged ones.

@ASCII-only nahhh, I'm not lookin' to be involved, just naturally curious man.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I gtg byte!

ASCII-only

1:07 AM

@MagicOctopusUrn i meant more as a feature request

Magic Octopus Urn

I misread that, yes, agreed.

HyperNeutrino

@icrieverytim Request: Could you delete your OEIS answer? I want to post my Jelly answer since it's not hardcoded :c

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

If I ran a challenge with a ~25 USD prize you think it would work out?

HyperNeutrino

> gtg byte

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ I get paid that in 30 minutes... not for me... I don't know if that fits within rules either. Why, is it of personal profit to yourself or others under your payroll?

ASCII-only

1:09 AM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ Yeah not really :P

Magic Octopus Urn

I mean, like if you bought a $25 itunes giftcard and made the challenge "read your most recent playlist from itunes".

Destructible Lemon

@MagicOctopusUrn your italics

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn No just to be able to have a big challenge with answers

Magic Octopus Urn

I don't think "WIN $25 IN PAYPAL" would be a wise challenge.

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

Noo

ASCII-only

1:10 AM

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ :/

HyperNeutrino

I'm wondering about the legalities of that but I don't see any issues :P

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

@MagicOctopusUrn That is close to what I was thinking

@HyperNeutrino Yes you got my joke

Magic Octopus Urn

@HyperNeutrino legally, it's under the "hey, you trusted an axhole on craigslist" laws.

HyperNeutrino

> ax

ah ok :P

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

I wouldn't rip people off lol

I would buy a 25 visa gift card or somthin

HyperNeutrino

1:12 AM

hi would it be considered bad practice to ask in chat for a post to be deleted on the OEIS challenge because it's hardcoded and I have a non-hardcoded soln

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ HOWEVER, if you exceed $500 and back out, in certain jurisdictions, that's a felony if you back out after the request is completed provided proof.

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ regardless of where you live... Though extradition is unlikely...

HyperNeutrino

why would you offer cash prize for challenge though

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ j/s $25 wouldn't get a federal judge out of bed though... So release a torrent of $25 on your enemies heads'.

ASCII-only

^

HyperNeutrino

just give bounty half of the people of PPCG prolly value rep > money because they don't have financial needs yet because they have parents

^^ screw mathjax :I

Christopher 2EZ 4RTZ

1:14 AM

I don't have rep

HyperNeutrino

lol

Magic Octopus Urn

@Christopher2EZ4RTZ RIP

HyperNeutrino

> 2060

Magic Octopus Urn

Heeeeyy, now you got RIP!

HyperNeutrino

> none

Magic Octopus Urn

1:14 AM

To be honest, I don't know how I have as much rep as I do, and if anyone knows what to do with it, lmk.

Destructible Lemon

uh

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn pls offer to bounty for the GoL answers ty

Destructible Lemon

donate it to Africa

HyperNeutrino

@DestructibleLemon ಠ_ಠ

Magic Octopus Urn

@DestructibleLemon I tried, IT DOESN'T WORK.

DJMcMayhem

1:15 AM

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A: Are we allowed to offer real-world prizes such as gift codes to the winner of a challenge?

I'm not sure if it's allowed by site rules, but I am sure it's a terrible idea. First of all, if there's anything the slightest bit subjective, such as in a popularity-contest, people will get upset if they don't get the money but think they should. Second, if anything is underspecified, such a...

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino does that suggestion rep ulse you?

HyperNeutrino

ಠ_ಠ again

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem GO ENJOY YOUR TIME WITH YOUR WIFE. Or, enjoy whatever else you had to go enjoy time with.

Conor O'Brien

CMC: given a list a0 a1 ... aN, output a0 - a1 - ... - aN

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino do I need to make rep arations?

Conor O'Brien

1:17 AM

@MagicOctopusUrn o_O That was random

Magic Octopus Urn

@ConorO'Brien he said he had to go 10 minutes ago.

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn wat.

HyperNeutrino

@DestructibleLemon plz

DJMcMayhem

Still lurkin though

HyperNeutrino

@ConorO'Brien I think it's just _/ in Jelly lol

ASCII-only

1:17 AM

@MagicOctopusUrn he's 19

DJMcMayhem

I more meant don't ask me more questions cause I won't necessarily be around to answer them

Magic Octopus Urn

He is modding beyond his current capacity, at this rate he will surely explode. NO MODDER HAS DONE THIS YET.

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino why was this rep ly necessary?

DJMcMayhem

Did you really think I was married?

Magic Octopus Urn

Or, something else funny, idk; my speech level is like 32, give me a break.

Destructible Lemon

1:18 AM

maybe he was thinking of someone else

ASCII-only

> Avid music consumer

DJMcMayhem

Or wait, would am be more appropriate there?

ASCII-only

You what

please don't eat MP3's (AAC? FLAC? idk what audiophiles eat)

It's unhealthy and a waste

Destructible Lemon

@DJMcMayhem your sentence was past tense

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem meh, you carry an air of mystery that will aid you in life. IT's neither bad nor good, but nobody will be able to tell your age much on the internet lol.

DJMcMayhem

1:19 AM

@DestructibleLemon Yes, but the question of whether I'm married or not was present tense

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem I sure as heck didn't know, figured you'd be around 25.

HyperNeutrino

@DestructibleLemon I think we have to replace your pun generation scheme with a better reputed one

Destructible Lemon

am sounds unnatural

@HyperNeutrino repute is a different form of reputation though

Conor O'Brien

when paired with "I'm" it sounds nicer

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem And "Do", yes

Magic Octopus Urn

1:20 AM

@DestructibleLemon you'am*

ASCII-only

@MagicOctopusUrn pls read bio next time :P

DJMcMayhem

^^^^

HyperNeutrino

@DestructibleLemon ik I wasn't rly trying k I have history hw to do

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino I appreciate your attempt at a rep artee

DJMcMayhem

Might be a good question for English SE

Magic Octopus Urn

1:21 AM

@DJMcMayhem you edited a message to change 3x ^ to 4x ^?

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, cause anther message I hadn't seen yet appeared

HyperNeutrino

"was married" could be correct because that could either mean "this person was married but is no longer", or "this person was married at a wedding and now has a spouse"

Conor O'Brien

Sep 27 '16 at 1:37, by Conor O'Brien

Aug 21 at 23:54, by Dennis

Feature-request: Chat should stop moving when I'm trying to select someting. :P

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem HOLY CRAP, does ^ mean, I agree to the last message, but ^^ means I agree to the last 2? Yet 3 ^^^ means... etc?

DJMcMayhem

Yep lol

Conor O'Brien

1:22 AM

at least it does here

Destructible Lemon

"did you really think I had been married?" would be if you wanted past^2 tense

Conor O'Brien

in other places it can just mean emphasis

Magic Octopus Urn

@DJMcMayhem spams the length of this chatroom in ^'s

Pavel

@MagicOctopusUrn Not to the last 2, but to the second to last.

DJMcMayhem

@HyperNeutrino Yes, but in this case it was an adjective, not a verb

HyperNeutrino

1:22 AM

Ah okay.

Then "am" might be more appropriate, unless it suggests the possibility of divorce between the question and the response (which in this case would be simply absurd lol). But you could ask ELU since I have no idea at this point lol

DJMcMayhem

I think of the three options, I'm married sounds better than was married sounds better than am married

Conor O'Brien

@MagicOctopusUrn carets are a touchy subject here after The Great Redaction in which No Memes Survived for the Greater Good of the Health of this Fine Code Golfing Community (aka TGRIWNMSFTGGOTHOTFCGC)

ASCII-only

Carets are fine

They're not a meme

Destructible Lemon

@DJMcMayhem you're talking about what they did think. they were not thinking about your current state of marriage, the state that used to be present

ASCII-only

They're just spam if overused

Conor O'Brien

1:25 AM

@ASCII-only they were tho

Destructible Lemon

they were used as a meme

or used in a meme

take your pick

DJMcMayhem

@DestructibleLemon Ah, I could agree with that. Although the distance between the two messages was way too short to get divorced lol

ASCII-only

I guess, but now they're not really a meme anymore

Destructible Lemon

@DJMcMayhem it's the principle

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem Who knows :P

DJMcMayhem

1:26 AM

I really think this would be a good question for ELU though

Conor O'Brien

@ASCII-only eh true

Destructible Lemon

either way "do you really think I'm married" works

@DJMcMayhem go ahead

Conor O'Brien

at this point I'd just rework the sentence :P

Riker

aw this new top bar is nasty

Conor O'Brien

"I have not exchanged vows of fidelity with another individual"

HyperNeutrino

1:27 AM

wtf the stack exchange thingy at the top-left corner isn't a link???

3

Q: stackexchange.com top bar messed up

Apparently the new top bar rollout had some negative effects on the top bar of the network site stackexchange.com. It looks completely unstyled: Since I see this on different browsers and machines, I assume it's a server-side issue.

wtf how did they not notice this

Downgoat

we need to make a userscript to make the top bar decent again

like why is search bar have so much size and contrast 0/10

ASCII-only

@DJMcMayhem hmm where is this "ministry of silly walks" you live in

Destructible Lemon

@DJMcMayhem when was the last time you made a ham pun?

HyperNeutrino

how about just take the old source code and then make the userscript replace it back

DJMcMayhem

That is an excellent question

Please let me know if you find out

Destructible Lemon

1:34 AM

@DJMcMayhem which?

HyperNeutrino

Mar 29 at 18:38, by DJMcMayhem

But my ham DJ!

DJMcMayhem

@DestructibleLemon The one about TMOSW

Destructible Lemon

???

HyperNeutrino

ministry of silly walks = MOSW

Destructible Lemon

o ok

HyperNeutrino

1:36 AM

technically invalid answer I think; pls community review

ASCII-only

1:54 AM

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 18 mins ago, by Undo

We tend to get false positives with that kind of stuff, in the "someone with a legitimate question while working on a questionable website, and posting a link to said website" category

Downgoat

@ASCII-only do you have time to join c9 to work on LLIR

ASCII-only

no

Downgoat

:(

New Meta Posts

2:08 AM

0

Q: Search by language?

There is so much gold on this site, but it's not so easy to find. For example, I'm golfing in J and like to see expert answers to old questions. Currently, I have to open a question, and search for the text "J," using my browser's find feature. And do this multiple times for popular questions ...

discussion feature-request

ASCII-only

2:33 AM

CMP: Should we ask for answer language tags

Anonymous

2:59 AM

@ASCII-only No

Downgoat

3:14 AM

@ASCII-only Yes

ATaco

@ASCII-only Maybe

Challenger5

3:47 AM

Can I -1 an answer just because I don't think it deserves as many votes as it has?

I do it with questions, but not usually with answers, because it's not really a problem with the answer, it's with the number of votes.

Whereas with a question there's a reason (usually that it's not interesting)

ATaco

It is your vote, feel free to vote it down if you don't think it's good quality.

MD XF

@Challenger5 yes if it's my seg fault

Challenger5

Do you mean this one?

MD XF

Yes

Funky Computer Man

Does anyone know why PPCG's top bar hasn't changed like the other ones? I don't mind it staying the same, I am just wondering.

Challenger5

3:55 AM

@FunkyComputerMan If you'll excuse the pedantry, yes, somebody does know.

MD XF

Because SE forgot about us as usual?

Funky Computer Man

@Challenger5 I don't know if thats the case. If its the result of a bug noone might know yet.

Challenger5

I'm more confident of the fact that somebody knows than I would be of my own belief if I had known.

Funky Computer Man

Ah it seems most communities don't have it only the couple I checked seem to have it.

Challenger5

Ok that's what I thought

mbomb007

4:07 AM

How many months do you guys think the Tetris in CGOL question will be on the featured list because of the bounties?

I bet it could last a year

Challenger5

It probably won't be contiguous

But bounties will probably keep getting applied for some time.

Anonymous

@MDXF The one time I'm grateful for that

MD XF

You don't like the new top bar?

Anonymous

No, it's terrible. Words are better than art for expressing directions.

Anonymous

And I'm very opposed to "fixing" things that aren't broken

Pavel

4:13 AM

All I hope is that it doesn't break the gradscript.

Anonymous

On an unrelated note: a not too terribly complicated challenge of mine has a bounty on it by me that ends in 17 hours, and I haven't gotten any new answers during the bounty period. I'd like to be able to award it to a new answer.

Anonymous

@Pavel I'm certain that it will

Pavel

I don't mind the new top bar, but I do mind broken CSS.

@Mego Will try.

recursive

@Mego Maybe I'll give it a shot

Pavel

@Mego Nevermind, I decided it's too complicated for me, given I should be asleep or at school for most of those 17 hours.

Downgoat

4:24 AM

> A good way to select passwords that are hard to guess but easy to remember is to use acronyms (e.g. irmn = "I read mystery novels").

>_<

Pavel

I mean, other than that example being way too short, that doesn't seem like a terrible idea.

ASCII-only

help anyone know how to use advanced generators?

Challenger5

In Python? If so, define "advanced".

Pavel

@ASCII-only Depends on the language

ASCII-only

@Pavel MC

dzaima

4:26 AM

@Downgoat Processing.js transpiles to, well, JS. (or well, it transpiles live when you open the interpreter) The async/await aren't required, as they're there to prevent an infinite loop ending firefox

Pavel

@ASCII-only Is that an acronym for a language that I can't think of? I haven't heard of a language called MC.

ASCII-only

@Pavel It's not a language :P

Pavel

Ohhhh this is a minecraft question

Yeah can't help you there

You probably should have specified that initially.

ASCII-only

:| when you put a wire in front of the output but no power is going through

Pavel

And put it in ppcg-gaming

ATaco

4:28 AM

That doesn't look like 1.7.10!

ASCII-only

@ATaco It's 1.10.2

Downgoat

3 hours ago, by ASCII-only

no

ಠ_ಠ

ASCII-only

@Downgoat still supposed to do homework :| but can't help getting distracted

ATaco

@ASCII-only Clearly that's a bug.

ASCII-only

especially when all your laval you painstakingly collected is going to waste

ATaco

4:29 AM

I made a mod for 1.7.10, and I refuse to port it to anything later.

ASCII-only

and the river is dying too

Downgoat

@ASCII-only :O you collect canadia?

Nobody

5:07 AM

Do we need any questions like 'Make a game' with popularity contest

ATaco

Need? Probably not, especially seeming as it will almost defintiely be hit with "Too Broad"

Nobody

ik but there is no need for popcons then

ATaco

Not necessarily, Popcons usually still need a criteria for what defines a good answer.

PPCG really needs to start accepting answers for their questions more.

Nobody

It wouldnt really be good for a primary criteria

but for secondary?

Anonymous

IMO popcons are dead. They are never received well (aside from the old ones back when the site was a lot different), and nobody can come up with qualities that make popcons good.

ATaco

5:13 AM

That's a shame, because I really like popcons.

Anonymous

They're never done well, but we also can't come close to a consensus on what a well-done popcon looks like.

ATaco

I'm not denying that it's done poorly, I Just like them.

Nobody

btw now we made tetris, is it time to make a crap big computer so we can run overwatch 4k inside GoL? (Assuming internet data is manually input by an external program)

Pavel

I feel like there needs to be some sort of format for challenges to not have a winning criterion. Like, this is a very difficult problem, and it's fun to solve, but understand that this isn't a competition.

Anonymous

@Nobody If you like playing at 1 fpy, sure

ATaco

5:15 AM

I just want some of my winning answers to be accepted

Pavel

Often times I'll see an intresting challenge, solve it, and then I have to go through the slog of renaming the variables and removing whitespace.

Anonymous

@Pavel The meta consensus is that we don't want that for this site

Pavel

I don't like golfing. I like solving intresting programming problems.

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Nobody

@Mego ehh okay lets just try it when core i series gen.20 comes out

Anonymous

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Q: Why do we have objective winning criteria?

2 years ago, we discussed dropping the objective winning criterion requirement. No consensus was really reached. I'd really like to start that conversation again, as I feel like it is hindering our growth into a more comprehensive site. What advantages/disadvantages are there to having objecti...

discussion winning-criteria

dzaima

5:19 AM

@ATaco Many users (including me) just choose not to accept answers. But if on some question with an accepted answer the accepted answer isn't winning, you should definitely inform the author with that. related

Pavel

Still, I'd probably post more if I didn't have to golf my submissions.

ATaco

Of my 157 answers, many of which are winning, None of them are accepted. I've got terrible odds when it comes to completing challenged by people who don't accept answers.

Pavel

@ATaco I have several challenges. In addition to always accepting an answer, I also upvote every single valid answer to one of my challenges.

Which prolly explains why my question vote percentage is so abysmal.

ATaco

I follow a similar principle, albeit I only vote what I think is good quality.

Pavel

Recieving upvotes encouarges users to post more, which is surely a good thing.

And since I upvote everyone, it doesn't mess up the ordering or anything.

ASCII-only

5:31 AM

@Mego I'd much rather play at 60 fpc

Dennis

Until you run out of votes, that is.

Pavel

@Dennis I've only gotten that many submissions once, I just continued where I left off the next day.

Sherlock9

6:48 AM

@PhiNotPi I just saw that QFT is has been solved. It looks absolutely amazing :D Congratulations

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel I should try that :P I can waste 4 days just voting on one question :P

ASCII-only

@Sherlock9 QFT

Sherlock9

Har har. I meant this

ASCII-only

@Sherlock9 I know :P after all, I have a bounty on it

Sherlock9

Ah, so you have :D

ASCII-only

6:55 AM

@Sherlock9 also: are you sure you don't mean this, this or this

Sherlock9

Keep going. You'll run of alternatives for QFT eventually

Unless you start making stuff up, like Qatari Football Tournament

ASCII-only

7:16 AM

@Sherlock9 I already used all of them lol (well, all of the academic ones)

ATaco

Quake Final Tournament

ATaco

7:39 AM

Quiche Flavoured Tart

Quick Fourier Transform

I'll stop now.

muddyfish

:3

Neil

7:52 AM

@ASCII-only your latest commit broke Print(Cast(Plus(InputNumber(), InputNumber())));

ironically the commit message is "Bugfixes for verbose mode unary"

ASCII-only

crap

Oh yeah I think I remember coming across that

Adám

8:05 AM

@peterh Dyalog APL is a full, C# like OOP language, without a single reserved word. Instead, all the reserved words are non-ascii characters or prefixed by such.

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9:02 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Calculate the value of a String code-golfstringinteger Input: A String (or something representing a String, like a character-array/list for example). Output: An integer (the value of the String, calculated as explained below). We take the ASCII value of every character If it has already oc...

Fatalize

9:16 AM

Question for native english speakers: do you call it landline phone? Fixed phone? Something else?

ASCII-only

We call it landline here in ~~Australia~~ Brisbane

muddyfish

I'd call it a landline

Fatalize

Thanks

peterh

@Adám Nice :-) I check it.

@Adám I think, another development into this direction would be a language, without reserved words (by default). However, they could be defined in the source code by some API. Essentially, it would be a language where even the control structures are in some library. Of course, at least a part of these structures would run in compile time. :-)

ASCII-only

@peterh It's called Tcl

Adám

9:30 AM

@peterh In APL you can easily define alternate word for almost everything. E.g. while × and ÷ are multiplication and division, simply including times←× ⋄ over←÷ in your source code will allow using those words.

ASCII-only

@peterh Sure this is doable, but it also seems like it would be very slow because you aren't using many native implementations

ASCII-only

9:44 AM

@Neil 1. I think I've fixed it locally 2. the more features I add, the more it seems like Charcoal is turning into a terrifying patchwork of random bits of code

Destructible Lemon

@FunkyComputerMan we're the control group i guess

> I don't like golfing. - Pavel, 2017

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