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Q: The Ethics of Non-forgiving

David BlomstromEDIT Read the last paragraph of my original question. I clearly stated that I have a "personal philosophy" regarding this question and clearly asked how it fits in with established philosophy. In other words, what notable philosophers would agree or disagree with me. That was my question. The o...

 
Sounds to me like you do have a moral obligation to "bring them to justice". But "hating these people" in the meantime is a personal choice, though the way we're all wired can make it pretty hard to choose "no". In any case, under your circumstances, I wouldn't give a second thought to whether/which philosophers might agree/disagree with you. But I'd give lots of thoughts to what those other teachers/parents/children are thinking. Why not get together and speak with them, and then do the whole world a big favor and figure out how to bring these creeps to justice.
 
There are options between letting anger consume you and forgiving. If indeed the first option is a danger then your first obligation is to get your feelings under control before deciding on anything else, in other words, to move on. When that happens you can deliberate on letting go (even that does not need to include forgiving), or biding your time until some realistic way of "bringing them to justice" presents itself. Whatever the option "hating them" will do no good.
 
@ John Forkosh - Regarding your last sentence, been there, done that. I became a whistle-blower and a candidate for public office. I thought every teacher and parent in the back would rally behind me. WRONG. It was a truly amazing phenomenon, something I still don't understand completely. But you're absolutely right - there can be no victory without organizing.
@ Conifold - Yes, it's absolutely important to get your anger under control and figure out a plan. I love the saying "Revenge is best served cold."
 
The Chinese can put up with a lot of things; everyone knows the wisdom of keep their heads down. Now people are breathing toxic air, drink poisonous water and losing arms and legs in factories. Sometimes, one has to admit that by fighting for what is one's own, he is also helping others defend their living standards.
 
@ George Chen - Great point. What kills me is the fact that just about everything we know, from our social institutions to the planet we live on, appears to be going you know where, and virtually no one seems to be fighting back. ??!
 
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David, re your reply to my previous comment, so you've apparently publicly discussed the details of the "stabbed in the back" and "abuse" your question refers to. Could you edit the question adding a few sentences describing those details? I didn't initially ask because I thought they might be personal/private/whatever. But apparently not. So what, exactly, happened? And/or just a url where you've already discussed/documented the situation.
 
@user3293056 - OK, so you forgive a certain corporation for cheating you out of money. Then they cheat you again, so you forgive them again. Is this downward spiral really an "ideal response"?
 
Why not fighting back? Probably "due to perception of the vastness of the problem involved." (This is a Russell quote from Problem of China.) If by fight you mean figuratively fight, Russell has been fighting all his adult life. The only exclamation point I discovered in his writings is in the forward of a 1965 reprint. I'm not equipped with the kind expansive feelings Russell felt. If I take arms against a sea trouble, there must be pleasure in the activity itself. Russell's work is music in words.
 
Interesting discussion(s), to put it mildly. It sounds like the only notable philosopher who, like me, valued accountability over forgiveness was...Miguel de Unamuno a la Don Quijote?
 
Thanks, David, for "edit" supplying details requested by my preceding comment. I'd googled your name after posting it, and found governor5.com among other hits. Only read them casually, and didn't notice those kinds of details. By the way, you might want to update your "...and our next pResident is Hillary Clinton" remark:) And, re your immediately following "Be very afraid" remark, I was pretty much terrified either way. Very much a dumb-and-dumber moment.
 
Yes, like everyone else I thought Hillary was going to "win," but Netanyahu got to hug Donald Trump instead. I might edit my page, but I'm trying to preserve it as a record of an amazing non-election. I'll have more to say about Donald Trump. Much more.
 
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Speaking of stabbed in the back. Take a look at this post. Someone hate-voted it. math.stackexchange.com/a/2232729/119110 Back stabbing happens all the time; what is most frightening is the fact that there are people who have absolutely no scruple to do it. They are everywhere, corporations and academics included.
Like klopemania, it is pathological, or maybe it is in the genes. Marx was overzealous in accusing Bakunin of being a spy even years after Bakunin was cleared.
If you've been stabbed in the back, you will appreciate those who are open in enmity. As a matter of fact, open in enmity is as much a mark of a gentleman as hearty in friendship.
 
So you're calling Adolf Hitler a gentleman?
 
Up until a point he definitely was. After that he was a gentleman gone mad. But the same thing was true of the entire German nation. They were driven mad by the treaty of Versailles.
 
I've been studying WWII for some time, trying to uncover the truth, and that's pretty much the conclusion I've reached.
 
Seattle has a backstabbing culture. Jews and non-Jews all alike. I can't tell who is worse than the other.
Suppose someone took a picture of you walking arm in arm with another man, and only FBI employees can access this photo. A part time FBI employee who didn't like you pulled out all of your files and found this photo. Then he hinted in his circle this information about you.
I swear if I some day find man attractive, that will be just one more source of pleasure, but that day when I walked arm in arm with another man, that man had no sexual attraction to me.
Why did I walk army in arm with another man? No one bothered to ask me explain. You want to clear your name? you are either guilty of being a homophobe or being a closet gay. This is the kind of nasty environment in Seattle.
The stigma about homosexuals is real. And a straight man like me has to deal with it also.
Once in a crowded bar, I and another man yelled to each other 's ears. If someone took a photo at that moment, that'll be me and another man kissing cheek to cheek on New Year's EVE.
The fact that Bertrand Russell is perceived in the US as a champion of atheism doesn't help either.
"Why does he like Bertrand Russell? He must be an atheist. Why is he an atheist? He must be gay." That's how retarded people think. America is full of retards.
I can forgive sex offenders but I do have difficulties to forgive back stabbers. I will forgive them after they have their mugshots posted on the internet.
Speaking of accountability, I think Americans have a right to know the names of those who accessed their personal information on government database.
It's about time for Seattle to drain the swamp, to uproot Mafia-like family networks.
 
Sadly, I think Seattle is a lost cause. When I first became politically active in the mid-1990's, Seattle scarcely had a pulse. Today, things are much worse. Most people who are intelligent and courageous enough to fight back have probably left. All that's left are the capitalist scum and the children they exploit.
 
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Everyone is leaving Seattle, Amazon included. These family networks can really scare people away. They actually hurt ordinary Americans more than anyone else because American business would rather hire foreign born workers whose social network is simple and harmless.
People use unlawful means to scrutinize the heathen Chinee, not knowing that by doing this they become cheaters themselves. en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Heathen_Chinee
They dig your dirt not because they want to get rid of you. They want to put you on leash like a slave. They want to enslave you - that's the most insulting part.
When that man linked his arm with mine, I didn't shake him off like disease. He offered to show me around amid a hug crowd. I walked with him for a while. I complimented a passing woman's good look, then he politely said goodbye to me. But I suspect someone took a photo of us and saved it on a CIA database.
 

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