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I go to the help center, and I find, in order, that number 11 is "how to ask a good question" and there is a whole lot of admin stuff on top of that. We get a lot of closed questions. We get a lot of questions now well asked. (as do other SE's) I would think that in the help, helping someone w...

2 hours later…
4:06 AM
@Decrypted
1. if there was nothing, then there is nothing.
2. if it is not the case that there is nothing, then there is something.
3. the truth exists independent of whether there is nothing
4. the truth exists
5. the truth exists independent of time
6. if the truth exists, then the truth has always existed
7. combine 4 and 6, the truth has always existed
8. ???
9. profit
1 is basically ex nihilo, and 2 is a tautology; 3 is an assertion without proof; 4 follows from 3; 5 is an assertion needed to have 6; 6 follows from 5; 7 follows from 4 and 6
and what "the truth" even means is beyond me

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8:50 AM
@LeakyNun Very well we shall use your logic construct on math to show the point.
If {0 = 0} then it must Equal 0. If {c =! 0} then c must have the different value than 0.
If the Equal sign can exist even with {0 = 0} then does 0 really exist?
Therefore the "Ability" of the = has forever existed.
1. if 0 then 0
2. if < or > then 0 then c
3. the "Ability" of the = has forever existed.
4. the "Ability" of the = has forever existed.
blah
Jesus
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3. the "Ability" of the Equal Sign exists independent of the value of the number.
4. the "Ability" of the Equal Sign exists.
5. two separate values could have equality even earlier than the cognitional ability of math.
6. if two separate values could have equality, then equality has always existed.
7. combine 4 and 6, equality has always existed.
8. ??? (uh what ever)
9. profit (uh what ever)
Therefore similar to how the truth has the eternal quality, and as well the ability of equality, so does God have the eternal quality.
And since you have done well in listening, cognize this:
For existence to exist, there must have motion.
And motion has omnipresence, and motion has omnipotence.
The concept of the big bang has puzzled the scientist, for they say what started the motion?
Duh, the motion did.
Then they say well if there's nothing how did motion occur?
Yet it's the basic fundamental truth concerning the nothing.
What size does nothing have?
Do we have a big nothing or a small nothing?
Yet if we say it's a big nothing, then now it has an attribute.
And if we say it's a small nothing then it has an attribute.
Therefore the nothing has the freedom of the variableness of size.
Then is this nothing still or is it moving?
Therefore the nothing has the freedom of the variableness of movement.
And the interesting thing, if the nothing changes size then it moved.
And if it moved, and it obviously did, then we have "this".
And since the nothing will forever remain a nothing.
Then it can forever consistently continue to lack the attributes of size.
We end up with an everlasting God.
The nothing God.
The No God.
And אל means No. Look it up.

9:54 AM
The No has authority over everything.
But the real question you should ask, "Who is the Yes"?

@Decrypted אל means god and לא means no.

Take a look at this (biblehub.com/hebrew/409.htm)

@Decrypted you haven't demonstrated how God has the eternal quality.

10:06 AM
Has there ever been a nothing?

I've no idea what that means

So
You don't have to tell me.

maybe if you could explain the question then it would be nice

Then let's look at it this way.
If there was a nothing and it did exist, then the nothing God exists.
And if there was always something, and something did exist, then the something has forever existed.
Yet either if the nothing made a something or the something always existed.
In either case, it's eternal.
God wins ^^

"there was a nothing" makes no sense
it's a play on the word "nothing"
"nothing" means literally nothing
when we say "nothing exists" we're not saying that there is a thing called "nothing" that "exists"

10:16 AM
You say it well, God is not a thing. ^^
It's called oppositional agreement.
Where both sides say the same thing.
You are saying the same thing.
And we have the one mind.

I'm not seeing how you demonstrated your point that God is eternal.

So
I'm saying that the God is the "I'm not".

what does that even mean?

And if we use your sentence as a math equation.
we take this:
I'm not seeing how you demonstrated your point that God is eternal.
into
God seeing how you demonstrated your point that God is eternal.
=)

I don't think you are serious in debating this.

10:21 AM
If it was a debate then the view would differ.
But I say the same thing.
You just need to see it.

I don't think it's useful in a debate to say that the other side is saying the same thing

Let's say that God's the "I don't"
therefore
I don't think it's useful in a debate to say that the other side is saying the same thing
turns into
God think it's useful in a debate to say that the other side is saying the same thing
Blessings to the not God.
I do hope you gonna cognize this.
Every action has an opposite and equal reaction.

I might recognize that you're a troll instead.

consider it in math like this.
the opposite of -10 is 10
only when the value has the 0
Yet whats the opposite value of 0?
You're smart and can figure this out.
Just give it a moment to sink in.
I truly hope you get to see it in full sincerity.
Get passed the frustrating part, and see the simplicity.
Yet whats the opposite value of 0?
It's infinity...
Just go away and have a nice day.

@LeakyNun Not a troll, more of a willfully incomprehensible armchair philosopher

10:35 AM
@curiousdannii what's the difference?
whether he believes in his own words or not.

@LeakyNun I don't think he intends to "sow discord" as Wikipedia says. I think a sincere crank is more accurate

@curiousdannii alright

11:01 AM
Then see the power of the no...
No describing bananas in this chat.

3 hours later…
2:21 PM
@Decrypted Not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. If you think that saying that will mean that bananas, that soft, creamy fruit with a yellow skin, are not discussed or described in here.....well.....then you're just bananas.

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4:11 PM
@El'endiaStarman feeding the troll?

@LeakyNun I agree with curiousdannii that Decrypted probably isn't a troll. He just has super weird ideas and never really makes sense with anything he says.

4:45 PM
@El'endiaStarman he never listens
he isn't trying to convince others

@LeakyNun I don't disagree with you there.

he's just trying to convince others that he has convinced others
and at the end of the day the only person he's convinced is himself

Honestly, the main reason I posted my message was the pun. :P

5 hours later…
10:05 PM
@curiousdannii Then hear a great Catholic Priest "St. Thomas Aquinas:"
The Existence of God can be proved in five ways.
The First Way: Argument from Motion
1. Our senses prove that some things are in motion.
2. Things move when potential motion becomes actual motion.
3. Only an actual motion can convert a potential motion into an actual motion.
4. Nothing can be at once in both actuality and potentiality in the same respect (i.e., if both actual and potential, it is actual in one respect and potential in another).
5. Therefore nothing can move itself.
6. Therefore each thing in motion is moved by something else.
7. The sequence of motion cannot extend ad infinitum.
8. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.
I Decrypted stand as a testimony of witness that @El'endiaStarman recently got filled with the Almighty Spirit, Kudos!!!

10:45 PM
@curiousdannii Then hear the words of a Bishop, Ignatius of Antioch
It is possible that Ignatius has given to us in this single sentence a deep and comprehensive understanding of the birth narrative in Matthew, i. e., what it means that God was 'manifested in the flesh'. By his use of the passive voice in the two expressions ('were being set in motion' and 'was being carried out'),
the bishop of Antioch suggests that God is behind the birth events (cf in Matt. 1-2 divine providence in the prophetic word, the conception by the Spirit, and in the guidance that was offered through star and dream). And what God is doing behind the scenes, says Ignatius, points in the direction of the 'newness of eternal life'...
And here is a quick summary:
Being set in motion and carried out in a prophetic word, the conception by the Spirit.
He says "in motion" alright.
And the Motion came into a conception by the Spirit
Now he uses it in its application of a birth event, and it's the same for the creation event.
For if the spirit causes a motion, and motion causes the event. Motion acts as a clear sign of the work of the Spirit.
And if a Motion has any law, and it's the result of the Spirit. The Law of Motion is a reflection of the Law of the Spirit that caused the motion.
And if the Spirit has a Law. You better get a very clear look into the Law of the Spirit.
Therefore see that every motion should hold onto a metaphor, "The strong arm of the God."

11:18 PM
And Paul did see the signs of the two opposing Laws making a comment on it:
The first: For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. (Romans 7:22 NKJV)
The second: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. (Romans 7:23 NKJV)
And they have a connection to the Laws of Motion that come from the Law of the Spirit.
The Law of the Flesh: For every action has an opposite and equal reaction.
The Law of the Spirit: A body in motion remains in motion unless acted on by Satan.
The Law of the Flesh: "Eye for an eye, hand for a hand, foot for a foot."
The Law of the Spirit: "Turn a cheek."

11:36 PM
@LeeWoofenden You might be able to provide an answer to this question, because my impression has been that Swedenborg's view of Paul is very similar to the NPP