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10:02 AM
@AccidentalFourierTransform Why do you think "people" voted to leave that open? There's only two reviews on it yet, one of which is a leave open and the other a close.
 
two "leave open"s
and not reviewable any more
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform It's not reviewable by you because you already voted to close it, the review is still pending
 
But you're right, both reviews are "leave open"
 
that makes sense :-P
 
10:05 AM
(the UI to see still-pending review results is...suboptimal)
 
10:41 AM
Welcome back @EmilioPisanty @JohnRennie
@BenNiehoff
 
In a few minutes I am going to do an experiment here. Details available shortly
 
::makes popcorn::
 
@Secret If it involves posting large amounts of text or pictures, please don't unless you have reason to believe a significant number of people in this chat actually want to see that.
 
I hope it's not a social experiment
 
::buys jaffas::
 
10:46 AM
Nope, it will be just one picture and one sentence
(NB It is technically not a social experiment as I have no hypothesis to test)
 
well?
 
@DawoodibnKareem ah. You're UK-based, then?
 
I've never been to the UK.
 
You get jaffa cakes outside the UK?
Whoa
 
Not jaffa cakes. Jaffas.
 
10:55 AM
his flag is an Arab country, but I don't know which...I'm not very familiar with their flags
 
> Jaffas is an Australian registered trademark for a small round sweet consisting of a soft chocolate centre with a hard covering of orange flavoured, red coloured confectionery.
 
@AccidentalFourierTransform that's a jaffa cake
 
@BenNiehoff It's the Palestine flag.
 
Jaffas is an Australian registered trademark for a small round sweet consisting of a soft chocolate centre with a hard covering of orange flavoured, red coloured confectionery. The name derives from the Jaffa orange. The sweet is part of both Australiana and Kiwiana. Through association with this sweet, Jaffa is sometimes used to describe a chocolate-orange flavour. James Stedman-Henderson's Sweets Ltd, under their brand Sweetacres, released Jaffas onto the Australian and New Zealand markets in 1931. The confectionery is currently made in Australia by Allen's lollies, a division of Nestlé and in...
 
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@EmilioPisanty I got a reply from ICFO few hours back. They said that I can apply for a project next year during summer. Meanwhile I need to prepare the necessary topics myself (will probably use MIT OCW for that purpose). Thank you for your help. :)
 
11:12 AM
@Blue nice one. good luck with that!
 
11:23 AM
some day I will write a book and include a "this page intentionally left blank" page, but I will not leave it blank. I'm so wicked.
 
You'd better hope they don't leave it blank unintentionally.
 
Sanity check: I can't just take a (deRham) cohomology class, multiply a bump function to it, and then claim it's a cohomology class with compact support, can I?
(@0celoñe7 @AccidentalFourierTransform, maybe?)
 
Im flattered but AFT no.
 
Instructions: Listen to this youtube.com/watch?v=dMkYaCw9jiY while looking at the picture
 
11:32 AM
for how long
 
does not matter. I have spent the past 10 mins choosing the music that best fit what I want to deliver
to be honest, the only better version I can find is 0:00-0:09 of this link youtube.com/watch?v=OmxT8a9RWbE&t=111s
(actually, about the first airplane link, only up to 3:36 cause the beats in 3:37 and onwards kinda ruins it)
 
11:52 AM
So what's supposed to happen?
 
Collision issue fixed
Now adding random masses is quite the spectacle
 
"Add mass" doesn't seem to work any more. I filled in the fields and clicked "add" and it just paused without adding anything.
 
is it general relativistic?
neat
 
Not GR yet
All classical
 
@Slereah nice
 
11:58 AM
Adding a mass pauses the simulation but the mass is added
just click play afterward
 
then why is it precessing a la mercury?
numerical errors I guess
 
Yeah I think there's some rounding error that propagates
there's only so much I can do
 
In mathematics, a symplectic integrator (SI) is a numerical integration scheme for Hamiltonian systems. Symplectic integrators form the subclass of geometric integrators which, by definition, are canonical transformations. They are widely used in nonlinear dynamics, molecular dynamics, discrete element methods, accelerator physics, plasma physics, quantum physics, and celestial mechanics. == Introduction == Symplectic integrators are designed for the numerical solution of Hamilton's equations, which read p ˙ ...
actually,
Verlet integration (French pronunciation: ​[vɛʁˈlɛ]) is a numerical method used to integrate Newton's equations of motion. It is frequently used to calculate trajectories of particles in molecular dynamics simulations and computer graphics. The algorithm was first used in 1791 by Delambre, and has been rediscovered many times since then, most recently by Loup Verlet in the 1960s for use in molecular dynamics. It was also used by Cowell and Crommelin in 1909 to compute the orbit of Halley's Comet, and by Carl Størmer in 1907 to study the trajectories of electrical particles in a magnetic field ...
 
Things look a bit odd right now because the collisions are elastic
 
I get jittering when I add a mass of 4 at 4,4
 
12:00 PM
So sometimes you get gravitational cycles
Like objects bump into each other in cycles
 
@DawoodibnKareem basically, I personally felt that pics pairs with the music, but your impression might be different from mine
 
I need to handle the collision better
Like collision at 90°
 
If mass is added at (x,y) with px,py left blank, the simulation will jitter
 
I didn't check the values, yeah
so it may bug if you input garbage
Oh no
 
12:06 PM
Your lollipop is stuck in your slinky?
 
that gives jitter
 
yeah bc its garbage
 
Rewriting the collision so that two objects collide at 90° angles
 
12:12 PM
@0celoñe7 have you talked to JD lately?
 
John Duffield.
 
Strange narrow noncircular orbits when given the following initial conditions:
 
John Duffield Salinger.
I wonder if I can draw a dick or a swastika with the trails
 
o and after 23 cycles, the added mass returns into the screen and destablise the pair by bouncing them out
I though wedge shaped orbits are unstable in 2D?
e.g. that narrow thing up there does not seemed to be anything that can be produced from a conic section
 
12:19 PM
@AccidentalFourierTransform Slereah did that three hours ago.
 
add mass 4 at (400,300)
 
Hm, after collision bodies seem to have a hard time interacting gravitationally
Maybe I forgot to turn it back on
 
I suspect for that wedge shaped orbit case above, if after adding the mass 4 at (300,300) to perturb the system and then remove that mass, that orbit is going to go on forever unless there's actually some colision stuff have not been acocunted for
another interesting pattern by adding mass 2 twice
Is it possible to add a massive object without changing its collision box size?
 
@ACuriousMind damn
 
what's the story behind your new username?
 
12:45 PM
ah, I see another problem
I must fix this
 
1:03 PM
@0celoñe7 What?
I'm unrelated news, I have been evacuated because they found an old bomb during construction work
 
from WWII?
 
Jupp. Happens now and then but this is the third time - in three different places - it's happened to me
 
Huh
 
bizarre twist of fate
 
@Slereah Feature request. I'd like to be able to click on the canvas, and have the x and y fields under "add mass" populated with the position that I clicked.
 
1:16 PM
@ACuriousMind uhh
I did that in my sleep
 
you can text people in phone while asleep
what drugs do you take man
 
@0celoñe7 that's concerning
 
too much gaming
time to take a break
 
More like too much physics
 
too much analysis
 
1:24 PM
@ACuriousMind woke up at 9
I can't do this
 
that always effs people up
 
How do I vampire
I'm going to die today
 
Pls dont
 
@ACuriousMind well Igot like 4 hours of sleep
 
plan a power nap
 
1:32 PM
You have to be the old woman
 
@0celoñe7 so? You'll survive, though you'll perhaps not be in top form
 
user228700
Hey @0celoñe7: Did u end up getting any sleep?
 
@ACuriousMind have you tired dolphin?
@Kaumudi.H see above
 
user228700
Ahh. Right.
 
user228700
@0celoñe7 You'll survive :-) I've gotten by on less than 4 hours of sleep in 3 days.
 
1:39 PM
A power nap is a short sleep which terminates before the occurrence of deep sleep or slow-wave sleep (SWS), intended to quickly revitalize the subject. The expression was coined by Cornell University social psychologist James Maas. == Characteristics == The power nap is thought to maximize the benefits of sleep versus time. It is used to supplement normal sleep, especially when a sleeper has accumulated a sleep deficit. Various durations are recommended for power naps, which are very short compared to regular sleep. The short duration of a power nap is designed to prevent nappers from sleeping...
 
user228700
^ Also, yes, take a power nap or two.
 
@0celoñe7 no, I don't have a tired dolphin
(whatever that means :D)
 
I wrote a dynamics simulator once, only in 2d for running as a screensaver
I used velocity Verlet
but another thing that helped, is I used special relativity to determine the new velocities after a collision
 
@ACuriousMind ...Christ
 
because then the simulation has a maximum speed (which you can configure to be whatever you like); as a result, you don't get so much weird behavior with objects gaining too much velocity and flying off wildly
 
1:43 PM
I mean have you tried dolphin
 
As in, eaten dolphin flesh? oO
 
@ACuriousMind yes. That and the emulator
 
@BenNiehoff that's clever
@0celoñe7 I don't know of any emulator called dolphin, what does it emulate?
 
@ACuriousMind GCN and Wii.
I imagine trying to emulate Wii is nightmare though
 
I have a Wii emulator
I haven't tried to use it
 
1:47 PM
Ah, I've not had cause to emulate the Wii
 
@BenNiehoff How does the controller work?
 
but the Wii-motes are Bluetooth, so I think it's not hard, as long as you have them
 
I've mostly emulated Gameboys, I think
 
My computer doesn't have bluetooth
@ACuriousMind that's trivial
 
I have a Wii, but it's NTSC and now I live in PAL-land
 
1:48 PM
@BenNiehoff when we lived oversees we got American TVs
 
I also don't really care anymore, now that I have a Nintendo Switch :D
 
Btw, if you want a fresh take on the Pokemon games, look up Pokemon Reborn
 
@BenNiehoff I am tempted to get a Switch, but I am spending too much money already
@ACuriousMind already done
I still need to play Pokemon Sun
 
@0celoñe7 That's certainly a consideration. And there aren't many games yet
 
And they're coming out with new ones
 
1:49 PM
but I haven't had a game system in years
 
@BenNiehoff I just bought a high end gaming PC
 
that's way more money!
 
@ACuriousMind Is it fair to say it's high end?
maybe midrange
@BenNiehoff yes
 
the Switch is like €320-ish, it's like 1/10 of a decent gaming PC, lol
 
@BenNiehoff Jesus
Your notion of how much PCs cost is off
 
1:51 PM
if I were to build my own PC for gaming, I'm pretty sure that's what I'd end up with
if I had the money to burn
 
@BenNiehoff lol, your decent is another man's ultra luxurious :P
 
$3500?
Wtf dude
 
are you rich?
 
SLI GTX 1080 Ti
i9
 
no, I'm not rich, which is why I'm not buliding myself a gaming PC
I also don't have enough time to play games for a gaming PC to be at all worth it
 
1:52 PM
@BenNiehoff Mine costs $1400
 
I do play games on my laptop. It has integrated graphics. :P
 
not counting the monitor
 
oh, but you need to count the monitor to get to my figure
I was assuming doing everything from scratch
 
@BenNiehoff Ok, 1600.
Plus mouse and keyboard, 1800.
 
I do have a good mouse and keyboard, and I have an OK case, although it is not big enough for the highest-end graphics cards
 
1:53 PM
 
if you can build from scratch, you're rich :P
 
If you put in a second GPU, that's 2500.
 
but I don't have a monitor at all, it stopped working when I moved :(
 
Maybe a mofo intel CPU, brings it to 2700.
@ACuriousMind How is this man spending 3500?
 
honestly, I would never build a "gaming PC" anyway, since I don't have enough time for games
the last computer I built cost about $2500, and it's the one I still have (minus the monitor which has died)
it's about 6-7 years old at this point
 
1:55 PM
what's it worth today?
 
I can't imagine I'd be able to sell it for more than like $500, and that's pushing it
 
@user685252 Probably only the case and PSU are worth anything.
 
yeah, I think the CPU socket has changed since then, and this was before DDR4
 
Wow! talk about depreciation
 
you don't buy a computer with the intent to sell it later, that's foolish
the reason, for me, to put higher-end parts into a machine is so that you can use it, personally, for a long time, before it is no longer powerful enough to run things
 
1:58 PM
but you're losing money
 
@user685252 spending money != losing
 
no, I'm gaining computing power. It is a device that has utility. I am spending money for that utility.
 
@BenNiehoff unless you're using all of it, he might have a point
You said you're not gaming. I can't fathom a computer costing that much without half being GPU cost
 
well, at the moment the machine is sitting in my office gathering dust, because I haven't bought a new monitor yet
 
see?
 
2:00 PM
maybe costs have gone down since then
but I got a pretty nice PSU, and a decent motherboard, 16GB of DDR3 when it was not dirt cheap, etc.
the graphics card is a middle-of-the-line nVidia, I don't remember which
the processor was around $200, I think
I used it to run a lot of Mathematica calculations, and definitely used all of that power :)
 
Ah, I think the massive RAM explains it, that was expensive a few years back
 
@BenNiehoff cheap
@ACuriousMind omg the incompetent winemaker
He sold the wine!
 
hi @TheDarkSide
 
Hello.
 
how's the darkness?
 
2:08 PM
Quite dark.
Dark side = fear, anger, jealousy, hatred, greed, passion, etc. None of those elements will ever go away, and none of them ceased to exist when the Empire was destroyed. — Wad Cheber Jan 28 '16 at 3:35
!!
Should I flag as offensive?
:P
 
nah
 
Passion is actually neutral
It really depends on what the passion is on
But again this is star wars not reality
 
@Secret I concur.
Anyways, as always, I dropped by to share a joke post.
 
Fear is also technically neutral as it is a hardwired defense system by evolution

As for the other 3, well unless under extraordinary circumstances, (ignoring people who have an inverted morality system of sorts) they can be considered very bad traits
 
Darth Vader: Come to the dark side.
Luke: Never!
Darth Vader: Will you stay, even if it hurts?
Luke: What?
Darth Vader: Everybody's got a dark side. Can you love me, can you love mine?
Luke: I ain't fighting this dude.
 
2:16 PM
@ACuriousMind where do i get the great mutagens?
 
bad things, however are like chemicals. They can be nudged to do good things, sometimes against their will, but it is very hard. As the saying goes: Don't play with evil
 
And the joke of the day is:
Will downvoters please explain? I'm trying to become a father, not Peter North, fyi... and so far my wife and I have had no luck... — user34082 2 hours ago
 
lol
you gotta like biology.SE
 
@0celoñe7 what great mutagens?
 
2:24 PM
TL;DR
 
> Hope you enjoyed the read - please do pull my ideas apart or enjoy exploring the ideas - best wishes, Mark
not a good sign
in other trivial news, apparently the font on main has a wider u than the a
 
@JohnRennie Maybe he is only thinking out loud.
@EmilioPisanty Are you sure there's no extra space inserted there?
Looks weird.
 
@TheDarkSide I am
YMMV, though, my ubuntu definitely lacks a number of fonts and may be subbing stuff in
 
extremely observate
 
well
I was just changing a u to an a
didn't expect that to trigger a line break
 
2:30 PM
@JohnRennie There are at least 4 questions in that link, but basically the gist of his black hole question (question 3) is that he thought black hole is just some superdense matter that has an event horizon, and he is wondering why it does not move around as the universe expand, and not being attracted to other mass like what happens when two objects gravitates towards each other
Paragraph 1 and 2 of OP are unnecessary background info to address his question
 
@Secret the point of my post was that the question is poor, not that I have any interest in having the question explained to me.
 
(I can go on an endless rant based on that comment alone, but I will leave that for another time) Understood, in that case, we can VTC as too broad
 
> What happens when atoms are arranged and the charges forces join - we descibe the arrangemnents in the periodic table - but why not extend this concept to particles and forms of energy - why not look at what makes up not just the known solids of this world but forms of enery and how they interact - is this not then the unifying solution, gravity, and the way it interacts on everything as a force -
> we see it effects everyday but fail to interoperate - is a black hole simply an extream of when particles intermix, the idea of the periodic table still applies but for a mass way off the chart, the swirl of colisions and bonds by particles creates the force it exodes, the gravity we all experience, the black holes effects on the gallaxy we live in - just like the electron around the atom, but on a much bigger scale?
that's a single sentence?
impressive
 
@JohnRennie If you insist, I can volunteer to drop a comment below the post, saying "Please add some more clarification of what your question is, since even our GR experts are unable to make that out. As an aside, John Rennie is FREE today, if you wish please come join him in chatroom and clarify over there" :P
 
2:37 PM
oh no, dont ask him to add anything
he has to remove a lot of stuff
 
@TheDarkSide ... or maybe we can just close as UWYA or TB and let the standard links do their job?
 
tuberculosis?
 
@TheDarkSide Yes, why don't you do that :: John quickly checks that the OP hasn't enough rep to join the chat room ::
 
@TheDarkSide tepid bath
 
@JohnRennie Hahaha ...
 
2:38 PM
Terrific broth
 
@EmilioPisanty :: Googles ::
 
TB = too broad
 
transphobic bigot
 
@EmilioPisanty I KNOW THAT !!
 
but funnily enough wikipedia does list "terrific broth" under TB
 
2:40 PM
I was googling tepid bath.
 
> Terrific broth, a bacterial growth medium for E. coli
I didnt expect that.
 
Danger: (It will be funny if someone who contracted tubercoulosis (TB) post broad questions, but no that is too cruel and nonsense, thus I am going to not say it)
 
Hmm ...
 
ok how about this way, what if the tubercolosis bacteria is able to post broad question as a bacterial colony (sounds more humane), though I have no idea what they are going to ask
 
15k google scholar hits for terrific broth
3
 
We learnt something new today.
 
> Terrific Broth
> deionized H2O, to 900 ml
> tryptone, 12 g
> yeast extract , 24 g
> glycerol, 4 ml
 
Thank you for the wonderful answer, I will start consuming milkshakes from today going forward. — user34082 58 mins ago
Hahaha ...
 
I have a Mathematica expression that has been trying to Simplify for the last hour :(
 
2:50 PM
stop trying to make it happen
its not gonna happen
 
no, it must
 
are you sure you're not trying to divide by 0?
 
the alternative is for me to do it by hand, which would take a few days and I'll probably make mistakes
 
another matrix inverse? ;-P
 
no
I did end up doing that one by hand, though :P
 
2:53 PM
my sex life in a nutshell
 
zing!
 
(☞ຈل͜ຈ)☞
 
is the (distributional) Fourier transform of $\sqrt x$ well-defined?
it should be somewhere between $\delta$ and $\delta'$
hmm
what does $\delta^{(1/2)}$ even mean?
 

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