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3:00 PM
@SohaFarhinPine Of course, I never said I heard that particular type of music before, all I saw was I've heard asian music before. Which is true.
 
@SohaFarhinPine also, having heard this song now, I'm not particularly fond of it.
 
@bleh That's more my style
 
@dcfyj Wait, you listen to edm? Lol
 
3:02 PM
@dcfyj Ugh. These days, people don't appreciate any music except rock.
 
@bleh No, this is the first I've heard of it, but I like upbeat music
 
Sid
@SohaFarhinPine Not really. Even I particularly don't like that song..
 
^^that is not rock
 
@dcfyj youtube.com/watch?v=gN2zcLBr_VM I heard you like upbeat
 
@dcfyj I'm not referring to my song.
I like music in all forms.
 
3:04 PM
I'm saying, what I was listening to before you shared that song was not rock, and I like it quite a bit.
 
@SohaFarhinPine I would absolutely disagree
 
@dcfyj I think she meant to ping manshu
 
ah
 
youtube.com/watch?v=JcUh-ggBfzI also famous upbeat classical music
 
I think being from different parts of the world also impacts your taste in music and what you grew up listening to
 
3:07 PM
^
 
@bleh I hadn't started listening to it until now, so it hadn't clicked what that song was, lol
 
Talking about songs and music, this is the most violent song I have ever heard:
 
music is heavily subjective
 
For instance manshu, Sid, Soha all like various Hindi music whereas I wouldn't listen to it (largely because I don't understand it)
^^
@manshu Yeah that's up there
 
Sid
@n_palum I don't listen to music.
 
3:08 PM
@n_palum nice one
 
@n_palum Music has no language...
 
@n_palum I grew up listening to "oldies" music, I now listen to just about any type of song.
 
Sid
Sometime, I do. Only Arijit Singh or I listen to Rock songs... usually metallica.
 
@SohaFarhinPine ...until it has no lyrics.
 
3:09 PM
How familiar is the western world with Bangladesh?
 
@SohaFarhinPine Except songs that are literally sung in a different language which is what I am referring to
 
@Sid I like Fade to black of them :)
 
@bleh probably one of my favorite songs: Song of Storms - dubstep by Ephixa
 
Anyways,
 
Sid
@manshu I like "Nothing else Matters".
 
3:10 PM
@dcfyj I have a few genres I don't like and I grew up listening to a huge variety
 
@Sid And these two are the only songs I have of them.
 
Guys, can I post a puzzle only for members of this room?
 
alright
back on topic
 
Heh Metallica is under my couple genres I don't care for
 
JK
 
3:11 PM
> Guys, can I post a puzzle only for members of this room?
 
@bleh No topics here
 
@SohaFarhinPine You can post a puzzle in this room if you like
 
@SohaFarhinPine Sure
 
@SohaFarhinPine You can
 
@n_palum >General discussion for puzzling.stackexchange.com
 
3:12 PM
No, I mean on the main site.
 
Oh
 
I did post it here
 
Thats what the site is for
 
Sid
No, that would be... wrong, I think
 
@SohaFarhinPine If you post it on main, anyone is allowed to answer it
 
3:12 PM
^
 
Also anyone should be able to answer it
 
@bleh General discussion for this site, not explicitly about this site
 
@n_palum hm ok
 
@n_palum "General discussion for different styles of music that puzzlers like"
 
It's not terrible to talk about other things :) (Should avoid debates and sensitive topics though)
 
3:14 PM
Why not post it with the trivia tag?
 
@SohaFarhinPine ? Post what
 
is for puzzles that involve nonessential, specifically detailed knowledge on topics of popular culture.
 
A puzzle only members of this group can solve
 
Wait, you can't do that
 
This can never be the case if you are posting on main site
 
3:17 PM
@SohaFarhinPine I would not post something like that on main, it's not fair to others
 
Sid
that would be very unfair.
 
Okay, then
 
@bleh upbeat :P
(took me a bit to remember the name of the show)
 
You could reference this group or otherwise incorporate it into the puzzle, but it should (and I don't see how it'd be possible) restrict the audience.
 
Shift your focus to the starboard.
 
3:19 PM
What about it?
 
I see 8 besides the pinned ones
 
forget that
 
2 days ago, by GentlePurpleRain
Please note that this site originated as a place to discuss puzzles; not to solve them. It would be perfectly valid (and, in fact, encouraged) to post a puzzle you've created and ask for feedback on it. You could even supply the answer if you like.
guessing she means ^ that one
 
No, I don't. It's for something else.
Forget that now. I'm going to post something very interesting.
 
@dcfyj That's what I thought but then I thought maybe they'd intended to star something new
 
3:21 PM
shrug
 
Long time, no new starred messages :/
 
The hymn of Egypt is not a hymn.
A long bowl with a tail in stead---the last conquers this half-blood.
Is, in truth, the beginning before the end.

Nobody quite understands this enigma.
Who or what is this?

Reflections of see --- the number
(But hear too, four of them make a chain.)
are the lucky stars of this hymn.
 
Sid
That sounds like humn..
 
@Sid And it is...
 
Sid
I am basing this only on the second stanza
 
3:23 PM
@Sid The puzzle or the word hymn?
 
I know, that's precisely why it's only for Sphinxters
 
a quick gogle search doesnt pull anything
 
Look around this lair...
people, hidden is your treasure
 
Sid
If you are referring to the starboard, there are only 3 stars of humn and not 4..
 
:-) You'll see.
Indeed, he has 3 stars, not 4.
 
3:25 PM
what
no he doesnt
 
Depends on the screen. I see 4
 
^
 
Did you click on "SHOW MORE"?
 
no
 
That's why, you see 4.
 
3:26 PM
I have 4 of humn
 
yea
 
Some screens are just smaller, regardless of Show More
 
ya'll are small laptop peasants
2
 
Oh, boy ---- the puzzle's not working then
 
meh
we'll assume theres 3
 
3:27 PM
But you still solve the first and second stanzas
 
I have two decently sized double monitors atm
 
independent of the last one
Now, I see 2. bleh's one has replaced humn's.
 
ayy
 
You can still solve it without the last stanza.
 
Sid
@edderiofer What was the answer to that number sequence you gave?
 
3:31 PM
3...see is C.
3 has two inverted Cs on top of each other.
4 Cs make CCCC.
 
Making a puzzles based off the starboard isn't a great idea as the starboard is a dynamic thing.
 
^
 
@dcfyj Hmm... right. Won't do it again.
Make sense out of:
> The hymn of Egypt is not a hymn.
A long bowl with a tail in stead---the last conquers this half-blood.
Is, in truth, the beginning before the end.
 
I'm not one to solve very often as I lack the real talent.
 
Bilady, laki hubbi wa fu'adi ("My homeland, you have my love and my heart"; Arabic: بلادي لك حبي و فؤادي‎‎ Bilādī, Laki ḥubbī wa-fu’ādī) is the national anthem of Egypt. The melody was composed by Sayed Darwish (1892–1923) and was adopted in 1979. This anthem replaced Walla Zaman Ya Selahy as the national anthem. == Lyrics == == History == The lyrics were written by Mohamed Younis Al-Qady and Sayed Darwish composed the music and maintained close ties with early leaders of the national movement for independence in Egypt, such as Mustafa Kamel. In fact, the chorus of Egypt's national anth...
@dcfyj Lol i make the puzzles
 
3:35 PM
As do I, I just haven't made one in a while.
 
"A long bowl with a tail in stead" means 'u'
 
@manshu Yes, it does
 
Or more accurately, I've been working on one on and off for a few months.
 
Ah you referenced what the characters look like again
I'd still say that's not the best as fonts and appearances of them vary
 
Don't different browsers use different fonts?
 
3:38 PM
Whenever you're around @MOehm can you explain what Fingerspitzengefühl means?
 
Can also be written as "Finger spit zen gefühle"
Nothing makes sense though.
 
works the same without e
It seems to be just regular german?
instinct
 
emotion too
 
no, the whole thing
 
How does finger spit fit there?
 
3:46 PM
ask google translate
wait
forget anything i said
 
I don't want the literal definition
 
it says "flair" for the whole thing
 
I know it's a term, I was just curious for the perspective of someone from Germany
 
It's instinct
 
3:59 PM
@MOehm Yeah, I think Legendary is some way off for everyone, even e.g. Rand. (He's a little more than 2/3 of the way there. I'm a little more than 1/3 of the way.)
 
Sid
Hey @Gareth if you are free, could you just help please..
"Vicious recession has PM in shock" (6) - One of the clues of today's Guardian Quiptic. Now, I got the answer DISMAY from only "PM" and def. But, I don't quite understand the complete wordplay
 
@n_palum It's the tact needed to handle a delicate situation or when dealing with difficult people. Or maybe, more general, it's the ability to be tactful and empathic. Taken literally, the word means the sense of touch in your fingertips.
 
Hmm interesting, thanks for answering :)
 
Is that a thing in English?
 
It was the name of a song I was listening to and trying to figure out what it meant I was a bit confused
@MOehm Not sure if there is a specific phrase that means that - I usually see that in the German language vs English. But the word that comes to mind would be considerate or thoughtful.
 
4:12 PM
No, I meant whether the German word is used in English like, say, Zeitgeist. But I guess it isn't -- it's a bit too unwieldy for non-Germans.
 
Ah gotcha, AFAIK no, I've at least never heard it used
 
Well, didn't think so. (We seem to be talking at cross purpuses a lot today.)
 
@Sid You will be amused when you hear the answer. There was a famous punk musician called Sid Vicious. So "Vicious recession" = SID< = DIS.
 
Sid
... lol
 
Yup, it's all about you.
 
4:18 PM
@GarethMcCaughan So Rand is at least a half-legend. I'm at about 1/6 of my way there. Never mind, we can't all be legends. (And it would be a bit awkward if we were.)
 
You are in my book
 
Don't need a badge to tell me that
@bleh I do enjoy monstercat and future bass
 
@n_palum Now that's awfully nice of you.
(I'm off to do some shopping now. See you later.)
 
o/
 
4:50 PM
@Sid Which one; the first one or the second?
 
Sid
The first.
 
Take the sum of the digits of the two numbers that feed into it.
 
Sid
Oh.. How did I not get that...
Wait..
nvm, made a silly addition mistake...
 
5:31 PM
@Sid lol, if i get lower than a 100 on a math test, it is generally related to either handwriting ora ddition
 
@n_palum , kiitoksi. Sometimes, though, an internet burp makes it look like someone stirs.
 
paljon kiitoksia
 
Good spelling! (Puhun Helsinki puhuu myself. Think i'm so tough that way.)
 
@humn The toughest of Helsinki you are
 
5:39 PM
Heisenberg of Helsinki :p
 
humnberg
 
90% under the waterline.
 
Is something sinking?
 
Sid
@bleh Why handwriting in a math test?
 
70% Humn 25% Shu and 5% Water
 
5:41 PM
@Sid uhh 8th grade
 
Shu was the lower part. So it must have drowned first.
 
Just add hot air!
 
I don't feel like farting.
 
Sid
@bleh Still makes no sense. I understand deducting points due to handwriting in English or similar language subjects. In maths, that should be the last thing that matters.
 
@humn Fresh out
 
5:44 PM
@Sid Not if it is illegible
 
@n_palum Many people would rather die than to breathe it.
 
My grandfather and father have/had impeccable handwriting. They learned before typing made us go wam happy.
 
I like these kinds of handwritings:
I would like to die live to have them
@humn That's WPM.
 
^my handwriting to others
 
@manshu , it was WAM before WPM. Call me old fashioned.
 
5:49 PM
@bleh Or more accurately, reactions of others when they see your handwriting.
Wish granted. You are old fashioned.
 
Yeank thee. (Thank you.)
 
@humn is that latin?
 
old/middle english?
 
(old (yeh, probably middle, good call, bleh) English, back from then "y" was pronounced "th" and "thee" was pronounced "thou")
 
Oh...quite puzzly indeed.
 
5:52 PM
Wam the Wpm
 
Sid
my 7th grade teacher used to tell me, "<insert my real name>, you need to improve your handwriting. It's worse than a kindergarten child's". Me- "Can you read it? If Yes, why bother?" Suffice to say, she didn't like me too much. :P
 
@Sid It's always better than having a good handwriting and then doing your elder brother's homework.
 
@humn I think that was probably a thorn, not a y
 
Thyes!
 
I think early typesetters used a thing that looked very much like a y (hence 'hear ye')
but I think the written letter was more like a weird p/b
...I'm on the internet... þ
 
5:56 PM
Somehow it turned into a y looking thing.
 
it's another topic of humn's interest iirc
 
ydrc
 
Yen humnlightn us.
 
"Ye olde" is a pseudo-Early Modern English stock prefix, used anachronistically, suggestive of a Merry England, Deep England or "old, as in Medieval old" feel. A typical example would be Ye Olde English Pubbe or similar names of theme pubs. == History == The anachronistic use of "ye olde" dates at least to the late 18th century, as seen in the image at below right (image 1908). The use of the term "ye" to mean "the" is based in Early Modern English, in which the could be written as þe, employing the Old English letter thorn, þ. During the Tudor period, the scribal abbreviation for þe was ("þ...
 
English was phonetic once.
 
5:59 PM
My favorite thing about the letter thorn is that it's still in use in Nordic countries. On a trip to Iceland, I had to get used to thinking the pronunciation.
Which meant I got to feel like I'd cracked the world's smallest puzzle when I identified þor street.
 
A song you all conspired to remind me (that you probably won't like):
 
@humn not really, spelling was once a matter of preference
 
@Sconibulus , guess so, still is I guess.
 
spellcheck provides a little bit of standardization :)
 
I have a chrome extension just to check spelling mistakes.
And I wrote extension as extention in last sentence. Irony.
 
6:05 PM
(thank you for the music videos, manshu, a spider just danced into my amplifier and had to be ungummed before hearing that latest one.)
 
Now guess what happens to me, a headphone user.
 
@MOehm Not sure this is your style, but figured I'd show you where I got that word from earlier youtube.com/watch?v=rgmDX43r6z8
 
TIL Ungummed is a word
 
what does TIL mean?
 
"today I learned"
 
6:09 PM
TIL the meaning of TIL.
4
 
'til there was u!
@n_palum , directly observable link. That spidier in my amplifier just fried:
 
Typos in large
 
there is neither u or n in 'til.
 
@manshu ' == shortened version of un
 
! & ! & ! again!
 
6:11 PM
My room is 'tidy.
 
@humn I had asked Oehm about the word the song is named so I thought I should show him
 
When S/Finnish and D/German toewrestle for the longest words, look out.
 
I'll be sure to keep one eye open, while I sleep as to not miss the toewrestle
 
That's the way to have at least half the perspective.
 
@Deusovi Isn't it a little weird that the same few people often complete the first posts/late answers/low quality queue but we never see comments from those people suggesting how improvements can be made or otherwise helping out newer posters? (I know not every one of them in the queue needs a comment or edits but I think it's weird nothing is ever said to them, they either hit looks okay or recommend the deletion which imo is not the whole point of the review)
 
6:15 PM
@n_palum Then you can only understand half of humn.
 
@humn Fixed 'er up
 
Magic
 
@humn (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧
 
@n_palum Yes, we have several users whose reviews don't seem to be motivated by genuinely helping the site. I've always found it weird too.
 
6:18 PM
Took me forever to realize that constructive comments are actually edit suggestions.
 
Shame.. I don't think much can really be done
 
@n_palum We can always ban every puzzler as one of the solutions.
 
@humn Constructive comments can be left with edits/edit suggestions, but often new users don't see the comments left there (if any are and I don't often see them) because they are over the rep amount so edits automatically get applied.
I don't think that's a good solution manshu - they're not actively doing harm or anything, it's just a shame the review queue is cleared by people not using it for it's intended purpose
 
I think it's a joke. A while back we were joking about low quality puzzles and our solution was to ban everyone
 
Like Arqade can be really harsh to new users that don't read rules with quick DVs and Close Votes, but the queue is still utilized properly and comments are often left around.
 
6:20 PM
My real-life style is to edit-off. Just like a car radio or heater/A/C. Just go ahead and twist the dials. If I don't like the result I'll twist them more. In the process we'll understand what's going on without anyone getting hurt.
 
As long as they're in increments of 5
 
A joke indeed.
Sometimes I feel like a low vocabulary humn. :/ Am I alright?
 
Thank you for knowing Englishu! I'm ever grateful for how we can converse globally.
 
I too. :)
 
@n_palum Thanks. I'll have to get back to this when I've got my speakers attached properly.
 
6:30 PM
:)
 
... my most recent excuse for daring here...
Free the trees.
This monrning's walk rambled by a loop of barbed wire girdling a tree whose bark has almost completely overgrown it.
So I looked up and around and saw that many trees are engaged in some kind of human bondage. Wires and string everywhere.
Then I saw the most beautiful pleach.
A fluted cactus that has scaled a palm tree.
 
It wasn't a peach?
 
It was, figuratively speaking.
 
Sid
@Rubio Perhaps a hint for the 4C?
 
"Vaudeville"?
(took a while to come up with a 10-letter word that has more than 9. It fits part of the clue, like "repertoire," but obviously not the correct answer.)
 
6:46 PM
@Sid Do you have any ideas about Rubio's 4C that you'd like to share?
 
manhumnshu is 10!
 
Sid
Nope. It's an &lit. So, lost probably means deleting stuff. (lost wealth could mean deleting S ($))
 
@n_palum , on a unidecimal day!
 
Eh. I wouldn't indicate deleting an S by indirectly suggesting a deletion of $
 
Oh, so you think the exclamation mark marks an &lit?
 
6:48 PM
! does not guarantee an &lit
 
Sid
It usually does, no?
 
I'm not so sure about that, there seem to be different views on that. I'd see it's an &lit when you see it.
 
The standard rule for cryptics: ignore case and punctuation, except when you shouldn't. :)
That's to say that "!" needn't mean anything at all
(And, for an added wrinkle, &lits needn't be signaled at all, though I think that's a little unfair)
 
^~
 
I thought that act! could be a definition by example for an IMPERATIVE, but I can't really see how. ATIVE is Evita backwards, but there's no indicator for that.
 
6:53 PM
Anyway. A hint was requested, and I think it's been long enough that I should accede. What sort of a hint would people like, if indeed anyone but Sid agrees one is warranted?
 
I've looked at crosswords from all sides now and still, somehow, don't really understand crosswords at all.
 
@humn Look in between and through and through
 
(looking)
 
@humn You need to look at crosswords crosseyed. That's what you've been missing.
 
As far as I can see, there hasn't been a lot of discussion of possible solutions here, so it's a bit hard for you and for us to know, where we go wrong.
But I'll leave it up to your judgement what to hint at, if anything.
 
6:56 PM
^ I haven't been around so I can't judge if hint is needed
 
Sid
You could always wait more...
 
@Rubio (Thank you for that!)
When I'm done being scatterbrained I'll look wall-eyed as crosswords.
 
Across with your left eye and down with your right one?
 
(I solve USA-style crosswords in my sleep but CCCC-style crosswords make me reel and bow.)
 
I think @MOehm is the only person I've seen discuss it at all, so there's that
@humn Hopefully you don't solve USA-Today style crosswords, because then any "real" crossword would make you reel and bow :)
Their crosswords make me giggle.
 
Sid
 
That's a hintload!
One of these posts, I'll ruse a puzzle that consists of nothing but hints.
(See how that works? I type 700 strokes a minute before a single one makes sense. Then edit like a drowner.)
 
There is a clear answer, but it's drastically underclues in its original form. Even the hints are misleading; it's only after the lead/lead hint -- no. 6 of (8 + 1) -- that heteronyms come into play.
 
Sid
The Morse code thing wasn't bad either..
 
And the signal-to-noise ration is waaay to low. There are 150 words and only four carry information.
 
Is there any reference to heteronyms in the original question at all?
 
Sid
7:11 PM
I thought that was the answer before the current answer.
 
No. The original question doesn't give any hint. The first clues make you think about homophones, of which there are, of course, too many.
 
! , signed, language lover.
 
I'm not sure this is too broad per se. The basic idea is kinda nice, but the text should be condensed, maybe four short sentences with one heteronym each. And there should be a clue towards the mechanic in the question, which ideally should be more subtle than saying that my friend Niko is a hetero.
 
eh, kinda lame to post your hint as an answer
I was going to edit mine to include the final solution but then saw someone did it already
 
@ffao ! ffao, did you see this one?:
 
7:16 PM
Yes, I had hoped you'd see it earlier, but apparently you weren't around.
 
The most classic post ever.
 
I would have been fine if you had posted it as answer yourself, but posting when you've been beaten to it is... not good
 
Takes all kinds.
 
@ffao Yeah, but I didn't want to add another answer to an already very long list of answers. I thought that you had found out the basic mechanic and just wanted to give a gentle nudge.
(Little did I know that there should be three answers being posted after that.)
 
"Too broad" isn't broad enough. Let the petals spread.
 
7:23 PM
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Q: How many known distance-20 positions are found so far for the Rubik's cube in half-turn metrics?

LukaThis site says: "All 93,659,370 known distance-20 positions as of 18 March 2014 are available below." And in total there are about 490 millions of them. It seems a bit outdated. Does anybody have some new info about this? And some new estimate, how many distance-20 positions are there in total? I...

 
"This question isn't broad enough for the two of us!"
2
 
Sometimes I focus on a molecule that fissions. But it's more fun to beam across the spectrum.
(That was a follow-through, not a slap-back! Thank you for the set-up.)
"Once in a green time a flower, oh, fell in love with the sun." (yh, repeat)
(In real life I'm a shrinking violet until someone asks me for a buck in exchange for a story.)
(I don't believe a word they say but lap them up.)
(Verbal acrobatics don't fully share until survival is at stake.)
(The most recent interchange came from someone with a well crafted come-on. My ice cream was melting so I didn't have time to ask for their story, so I shelled out another buck and moved along.)
(Dear diary!)
(The only reason I feel so free to tip and tell here is that I can puzzle up whenever that's what it takes. Except for CCCCs.)
 
7:52 PM
You're a puzzle yourself humn
in a fun and good way
 
Thank you. Contents under governmental control, but who'd know?
 
The Government might know, ya know?
 
... thank you for a set-up: I barely suspect.
 
New chat thingie: humorously undecipherable musing narrative. we can call it HUMN.
10
 
I'm clueless unwrapped by as much as a hint.
And yet think I know everything.
 
7:57 PM
And it's a chain, too: Whoever posted the last one, gets to post the next one. :)
 
@MOehm indeed. :)
 
They also have to change their username if someone's to take the oar.
 
PSA for keen but inexpert cruciverbalists: today's Guardian cryptic is mostly fairly straightforward.
 
keystroke! (out of sync)
@GarethMcCaughan , please spill. At worst, it'll be ignored. (Or copyright restrictions? Or do i misundestand what "cryptic" means, again?)
 
Not sure what spilling you want. It's on their website.
 
8:07 PM
Then link? The modern world has spoiled me. Just lucky to have been let out of the refrigerator.
 
(thank you)
 
@humn "Cryptic" referring to cryptic crosswords, like the CCCC clues we post.
 
Nice. I'll take a shot after codenames.
 
Yes, I liked that much better than the usual Rufus. Rufus has a penchant for double and cryptic definitions, which I'm not really good at. Pan is a regular Quiptic setter.
 
8:16 PM
(If i didn't feel so stupid all of the time, i'd never forgive others for making me feel normal.)
(No need to reply. That was fingers ahead of mind once again. Time for a nap.)
 
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Q: It's a school for children, my dear friend!

Luke BickellI was awakened last night to a thump on my front door. When I turned the knob, I found none other than my close friend Dmitri! Before I could begin to inquire what he needed at this late hour, he uttered this nonsense: Eggs rotting, guns shooting: I smell hell! Let's not eat the crust's abu...

 
@Sphinx if I read blocks of text top-to-bottom first rather than left-to-right, does that I mean I'm spending too much time at Puzzling?
 
8:32 PM
No, that's normal. But you'll have to worry when you start making Morse signals from punctuation automatically when you read a text.
 

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