The Nineteenth Byte

Phoenix

3:00 AM

Wich is silly, I konw

Those aren't the languages where reading input is hard

Dennis

Wait, are you trying to include a file or to read multi-line strings?

Anyway: tio.run/##DcwxCsAgDADAPa8QuugSCv1KPyA1tAEbg8ahr0@Fm08/…

Phoenix

I did not know that that was a thing that worked

That is awesome

Downgoat

17

wow

Phoenix

Does it fully support the C preprocessor?

Wait no

Dennis

→ 8 messages moved to talk.tryitonline.net

user165474

3:04 AM

@LeakyNun Sorry, I assumed that when you said "I'll include the utility program" that you would edit it in. I'll include it. Thanks.

Phoenix

That's not what it's doing

NVM

Dennis

The comment was for size comparison. open(0).read() is shorter.

SIGSEGV

By the way, is there even something like .input.tio in C++?

Phoenix

it is cool that that works, I didn't know you could do open(0) like that.

Dennis

9

A: Tips for golfing in Python

Reading multi-line input In Python 3, the built-in function open underwent some changes. In particular, its first argument file is either a string or bytes object giving the pathname (absolute or relative to the current working directory) of the file to be opened or an integer file descripto...

Phoenix

3:06 AM

@SIGSEGV In what sense? No matter what language you're running on TIO, there will be a file called .input.tio

user165474

Bug Report: Non-fatal critical error in edge case

user165474

Can someone try to see if they can fix it?

Phoenix

If you're looking for a file that just contains the input, /dev/stdin

Dennis

@Phoenix At least right now.

Phoenix

I suppose once test suites become a thing that would change.

SIGSEGV

3:08 AM

oh

That was it? okay..

MD XF

@ETHproductions You've written 2d langs, I'm writing one. What suggestions do you have?

user165474

Step 1: Figure out how you're going to control the pointer flow.

Downgoat

@MDXF make a cool 3d viewer for writing code

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Done

@Downgoat Done

Phoenix

@HyperNeutrino <>^v

Downgoat

3:10 AM

@MDXF pls link

user165474

/\#-|

MD XF

The IP can move in 8 directions, the cardinal directions and their comobinations

@Downgoat It's in C

It's builtin to the interpreter as a command-line option, --verbose

Downgoat

you made a 3d thing in C :O

user165474

s/mob/mb

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino do you know that you can condense the for loop in p to one line?

MD XF

3:11 AM

@Downgoat Oh I meant the thing on the right side

user165474

... I have made this mistake multiple times this week already >_> thanks :D

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino and why do you need p at all?

and [V,H][i%2],[H,V][i%2] is very ungolfy

I've fixed all those in my comment

user165474

oh exec statements...

user165474

owow nice thanks :D

user165474

aaaand the python answer is now the winner again :D thanks!

user165474

3:16 AM

well actually it's still broken

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino why?

SIGSEGV

I had a koth idea

user165474

Wait no

user165474

I am being stupid again.

SIGSEGV

okay...?

user165474

3:19 AM

Hopefully padding issues don't matter

Phoenix

Would anyone happen to remember the button to select boot device on a Lenovo ThinkPad

MD XF

@Phoenix F12 most likely

user165474

Wow, I managed to fit the entire TIO link in chat finally!

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino You can always fit an entire TIO link in chat

user165474

Not always.

user165474

3:20 AM

My old program links were too long for chat.

MD XF

Shift+Enter+Ctrl+V

SIGSEGV

@HyperNeutrino ...you could use goo.gl

user165474

(I mean without shorteners)

MD XF

You can paste any size

user165474

oh

user165474

3:20 AM

smart

MD XF

See my above message :P

I figured that out in the polyglot chat 'cause our TIO link is 32kb

user165474

D:

MD XF

and we paste it 25 times a day

at least

user165474

oh lol

user165474

(going to sandbox to spam random things)

MD XF

3:21 AM

Have fun getting DV'd

SIGSEGV

lmao

MD XF

Oh wait you mean chat sandbox. nvm

SIGSEGV

@MDXF What's a DV

MD XF

...downvote?

user165474

lol yes I meant chat sandbox

SIGSEGV

3:22 AM

...The chat had downvotes?

MD XF

Oh huh @SIGSEGV I always thought you were one of the >10k users

SIGSEGV

@MDXF I once were at least if I remember correctly

MD XF

@SIGSEGV Oh really??

Btw I found the best comment of all time

SIGSEGV

@MDXF But lets not get too 'historical', it's better to not discuss it

Phoenix

@SIGSEGV Not yet, hopefully @ATaco is working on it.

MD XF

3:23 AM

@SIGSEGV I'm confused

user165474

SIGSEGV == Matthew Roh right?

MD XF

Also this is my favorite, I found it in an image parsing library

SIGSEGV

@HyperNeutrino yes

MD XF

"Trying to get data out of a PSD file is like trying to find something in the attic of your eccentric old uncle who died in a freak freshwater shark attack on his 58th birthday. That last detail may not be important for the purposes of the simile, but at this point I am spending a lot of time imagining amusing fates for the people responsible for this Rube Goldberg of a file format."

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino did you see my comment?

user165474

3:25 AM

Not yet the newest one. Reading now. Thanks!

SIGSEGV

@MDXF flashbacks

Cyoce

MD XF

@SIGSEGV How does one go from >10k to 2.5k? That's what I'm confused about

Cyoce

Help.

user165474

...even more confused. Anyway he said best to not talk about it so probably don't.

MD XF

3:26 AM

Were you the most vigilant sockpuppeteer of all time? :P

totallyhuman

@Cyoce one word for that

wat

user165474

47 secs ago, by Hyper Neutrino

...even more confused. Anyway he said best to not talk about it so probably don't.

SIGSEGV

@MDXF ask dennis

ugh

MD XF

@Dennis what happened to @SIGSEGV? (he asked me to ask you)

user165474

Age restriction.

Phoenix

3:29 AM

Ok now attempting to install fedora

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino That's a thing?

user165474

Yes.

MD XF

Hm

Oh yeah it's 13 isn't it?

What happens if you break it?

user165474

I think you get nuked, as in your account gets destroyed.

MD XF

Really?

SIGSEGV

3:30 AM

@MDXF your account is rekt

really

MD XF

It's that big a deal?

user165474

gee I really hope my account was created after I turned 13...

SIGSEGV

O_o You were 13?

user165474

I am 14 right now.

MD XF

Mine was. Member for 7 months :P

SIGSEGV

3:31 AM

@MDXF Legal issues

user165474

:P

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino 357 bytes

MD XF

Ohh that makes more sense

Btw everyone here should install the I am typing tacoscript, as it's obnoxious that only Hyper has it

Leaky Nun

@SIGSEGV aka stupid american laws

MD XF

@LeakyNun Save 7 bytes, the stupid is implicit; american laws gets the same message across

5

Phoenix

3:31 AM

I do but installing fedora so on phone

user165474

Oh wow thanks :D

user165474

I'm a member for 1 year 10 months.

MD XF

Starbait :O

user165474

I turned 13 1 year 11 months ago.

user165474

YES :D:D:D

MD XF

3:33 AM

@HyperNeutrino Cutting it close there good sir :P

user165474

wait

user165474

my SO account is older than my PPCG account...

MD XF

Good thing SO doesn't matter

Phoenix

Yes it does

user165474

it's a network wide nuke I think

MD XF

3:33 AM

Oh boy

SIGSEGV

@LeakyNun aka stupid america restricting 12yos from 'talking'

(or discussing)

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino This is when you stop talking :P

user165474

Wait nvm you guys know nothing my SO account doesn't exist.

SIGSEGV

lmao

MD XF

Hmm speaking of 13

I haven't had a girlfriend since I was 13 :(

user165474

3:35 AM

Is it possible to disassociate one of your accounts from your network account? That is to say, disinherit SO?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino It should be, then we should all disinherit SO

Phoenix

I don't think anyone will nuke your account now that you're old enough

user165474

Yeah. Hopefully.

SIGSEGV

Tip: Don't tell people your age

user165474

@MDXF And CR if anyone here has it (hint hint mego)

user165474

3:35 AM

@SIGSEGV mhm. failed that already D:

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino CR?

user165474

Code Review.

MD XF

Oh

SIGSEGV

but darnit I did

MD XF

Definitely

user165474

3:36 AM

yesterday, by Mego

I got rep on Code Review. What temperature should I run the water in my shower to wash the heresy away?

MD XF

See, my favorite thing about StackExchange is that nobody cares if you share zero information about who you are

like me. The only thing anyone knows is that I'm a guy and I write code :P

user165474

Also I need to update my About Me website sometime

user165474

and make it not look like crap

SIGSEGV

@HyperNeutrino avocad-ify that account and forget it forever

MD XF

I stopped trying

My PPCG profile is my About Me website :P

SIGSEGV

3:37 AM

@HyperNeutrino Try something like mine

user165474

lol avocado memes

MD XF

Ooh

Phoenix

We know you weren't 13 when your SO Account was created and we can determine the account's age.

MD XF

I'm writing a collection of languages called memescript

I should make avocados one of them

memescript-1.0 is based on the "frick frack diddily dack" meme

user165474

when chromebooks have no END key so you can't do CTRL-END so you instead do CTRL-A right-arrow

user165474

3:40 AM

Same thing as END except it goes to EOF not EOL.

MD XF

@Cyoce wait - you're super meme-y but you only have 2k rep??

user165474

o shoot I just realized something

user165474

well never mind none of you shall know about it

Cyoce

@MDXF Because "meme-iness" == rep?

MD XF

@Cyoce Guess not...

Cyoce

3:41 AM

And I didn't know I was meme-y?

user165474

wait never mind i was being dumb. my realization was false

MD XF

but Downgoat is the #2 meme and he's got quite a lot of rep

user165474

Who's #1?

Cyoce

How am I a meme?

MD XF

I think you're pretty meme-y

Cyoce

3:41 AM

How so?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino #1 is not a who, it's avocads

user165474

oh

user165474

ok

Cyoce

*avocads

MD XF

@Cyoce Idk just how the community generally accepts/treats you

Cyoce

3:42 AM

@MDXF are you confusing me with someone else?

MD XF

I've seen references to you like "our beloved platypus"

Cyoce

First I've heard of it. Didn't know you could be excluded from your own meme...

MD XF

Huh

Cyoce

I am, however, glad to be considered among our avocad overgoats.

Dennis

@MDXF COPPA means that you have to obtain a guardian's permission to even store any PII of a preteen.

Which is why TIO accounts won't store PII.

MD XF

3:43 AM

@Dennis COPPA and PII?

And you can have a TIO account??

SIGSEGV

@Cyoce Change your name to "Perry the Platypus"

Dennis

@MDXF Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, Personally identifiable information, and not yet.

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino 351 bytes

Cyoce

@SIGSEGV God, no. Perry is a disgrace to the platypeople.

MD XF

@Dennis Ah okay

Thanks

Dennis

3:44 AM

I'm pretty sure COPPA doesn't apply to TIO anyway, but why take the risk.

MD XF

Okay if I talk on here in the next 15 minutes yell at me 'cause I really need to finish writing a report for work

user165474

15 minute chat ban? (jk lol)

Dennis

@MDXF Kicking is more effective than yelling.

Phoenix

Also what would you even do with people's personal information on TIO.

MD XF

Is a 15-minute kick a thing?

user165474

3:46 AM

Sure. You can kick-mute for anywhere from 1s to 1y.

MD XF

Whoa please not a 1y kick :P

user165474

@LeakyNun Oh hm. Nice. Thanks!

user165474

Also @MDXF STOP TALKING IN HERE

Dennis

Nope, it's 1 minute for the first kick, 5 for the second, 30 for the third.

user165474

oh?

user165474

3:46 AM

nvm

Cyoce

What about the fourth?

Dennis

@Phoenix That includes email addresses.

@Cyoce Ban hammer.

Phoenix

So, the fedora 26 installer told me the Will be bugs. It then decided to prove it's point by having the screen telling me this warning hang for no reason.

Cyoce

@Dennis That... escalates quickly.

Leaky Nun

@Dennis can mods unban?

Dennis

3:48 AM

No, no, no. It's not automatic; I ban you if you deserve a fourth.

Cyoce

@Phoenix *its

Dennis

@Cyoce The counter resets at midnight.

Phoenix

Ooh, now the screen is flickering a bunch

user165474

there we go, my account no longer has any more pii

Cyoce

@Dennis That sounds very ominous without context.

SIGSEGV

3:49 AM

@Cyoce The first: a week, The second: a month, The last: A YEAR.

I got the second, living without chat was quite a pain

Phoenix

I'm hoping this stops once it installs

user165474

@SIGSEGV for the BFDI link? or was it something else? (don't answer if you don't wait to :P)

SIGSEGV

Wait, bfdi?

idk

user165474

So that wasn't you?

Phoenix

It had better, I don't want to reinstall Ubuntu if this doesn't work.

SIGSEGV

3:52 AM

I think it was because of an inappropriately shaped island (I wont say the details)

user165474

Yeah. That's from BFDI.

SIGSEGV

Um

Unsure

Whats a bfdi

user165474

nvm the link was from someone else

user165474

It's a youtube video series

user165474

I found the permalink to the message around the area containing the message that got you kick-muted but I won't link it here.

SIGSEGV

3:54 AM

I sent the irl one

Not the bfdi one

@HyperNeutrino ...was that zyabin?

user165474

ivzem

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino suggestion: instead of imploding the top, implode the left.

SIGSEGV

Okay

Leaky Nun

you want to do it yourself, or I do it for you? @HyperNeutrino

user165474

@LeakyNun I'll try that. Thanks.

Phoenix

3:56 AM

Oh my god KDE is broken for me

user165474

I'll try it myself first.

SIGSEGV

@LeakyNun What

user165474

@Phoenix uh oh D:

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino arlight

Phoenix

I can't resize windows without everything flickering

Leaky Nun

3:56 AM

11

A: Implode the Box

Python 2, 591 555 545 527 525 496 436 351 bytes s=input() w=len(s[0]) h=len(s) V=max(0,w/2-h) H=max(0,h/2-w) p=lambda:[[' ']*w for i in[0]*V] q=[' ']*H s=[q+k+q for k in p()+s+p()] c,d=' -=',' |"' exec"for j in range(w-4):s[V][j+H+2]=c[c.index(s[V][j+H+2])-1];r=V+min(j+1,w-4-j);s[r][j+H+2]=c[c...

user165474

caret reply ninja?

SIGSEGV

Um lmao

Phoenix

Or switch tabs

Or switch applications

user165474

D: well rip

Phoenix

At least I can open start menu

SIGSEGV

3:57 AM

@Phoenix buy a new monitor

Phoenix

I typed 'this is fine' and it replaced it with the image for me, is this a tacoscript or an SE thing

@SIGSEGV Laptop, and worked fine with Unity

user165474

um

user165474

I think it's a userscript

Phoenix

Wait

Can't be

I literally just booted into a live OS

There are no userscripts

SIGSEGV

Wth

user165474

3:58 AM

ok we should stop spamming that

Phoenix

This is excellent

SIGSEGV

This is clearly se

user165474

but yeah it's not a userscript

user165474

What is SE doing...?

user165474

And how many more of these are there?

Phoenix

3:58 AM

Hmm...

SIGSEGV

This worked on my phone so yeah

Phoenix

@SE_People TYVM

Ok stop

SIGSEGV

Why does this normal day feel like april fools

user165474

(just needed to get the message history to look at something)

Phoenix

It shows up as the text "This is fine" on the starboard, not as an image link

user165474

3:59 AM

@SIGSEGV It is.

user165474

Yeah. It's a client-end display thing; it doesn't change the message content.

user165474

Survey: What's your go-to song to repeat? (open-ended)

SIGSEGV

11

A: Hidden features of Stack Exchange?

Sending a chat message consisting solely of this is fine now oneboxes to this comic: If you want to test this for yourself, please use the Sandbox room to avoid bothering others.

Oh wow

Phoenix

@HyperNeutrino Broforce theme song

SIGSEGV

Mego discovered this? Nice one

Phoenix

4:02 AM

Ok rebooting to hopefully stable, installed Fedora

"You have 809 new updates"

o boi

temporary o/

user165474

pseudo-o/

Phoenix

Where is restart button in kde

SIGSEGV

Oops

Weird

Phoenix

It created two identical users for since reason

SIGSEGV

This is why I hate mobile chat

user165474

4:05 AM

If you want to delete a user use userdel

user165474

Yay someone else with I-Am-Typing! :D

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino it's 334 bytes. Tell me if you want me to comment it.

user165474

Alright. Thanks. I'll try to do it first and if I can't figure it out I'll ping you here or on my answer tomorrow morning.

Phoenix

Ok installed fedora works

Yay

user165474

yay

user165474

4:08 AM

@LeakyNun is anything other than the exec line changed?

totallyhuman

hmm i probably keep showing up as typing

because one of my keys is broken and i keep fidgeting with it

SIGSEGV

Lmao

user165474

Yes. I was wondering why you've been typing for 5 minutes straight >_>

SIGSEGV

Why dont you just make a cherry mx fidget spinner instead lol

Or just have a spare cherry mx key laying around

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino no

user165474

4:13 AM

okay.

user165474

Ok so I made the trivial modifications to make it use left-implosion instead of top-implosion [here](https://tio.run/##fZDNcoMgFIX3PAWTDVxBm2Sy0mHvE7ghLKzailEkYkfbybtbTDJJs@ldMPfnO5cD9nuse7NftLFfIxa4zbv3Mo9xl1vaajfy3laGkug6j0bdE04GAtFQ5SWFyNlWj5QcDQFYnLhSFNAkWq9ycqsA1bccUCa6fKZbPr3twxpQei9rX06ArLhfLSXBRAUT/ugHrLE2fkuQKXQWt0GKnJBndmLnK3HyBLYUmGP@VKjkhSA4FN4nvmwIquaq2Kxgs4JDbj4rWocHiJ3MWMP2SqZKFLLwLyyrmf7pQrhTySBS1mlDG7bjXhY2kDjZsGxFhlfhowtsp46m4CXPeMonXgtvymcZr/mUOPH42x9taeAAZByHq2QTHNBqdV6tutgO2oyERE3vDcywLCx8BkMX/IzLv9WL7hc) but it's not golfed yet.

totallyhuman

you can also do "THIS IS FINE" and it works

and it really really accentuates the situation

user165474

Oh wait links don't work multiline

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino now do you see what you can golf?

user165474

I think I can golf the s[V+j+2] part to do it row-by-row

user165474

4:19 AM

well I mean it already does it row-by-row

user165474

but I mean the whole row at once?

user165474

this works

user165474

343

user165474

though I could have done this to the other one too

MD XF

Thanks

totallyhuman

4:24 AM

;-; got invited to trash

user165474

lol

Riker

@SIGSEGV it's leftover from winterbash lol

@totallyhuman kek

totallyhuman

guess it knows where i belong

user165474

... lol

totallyhuman

there's a non-gallery trash room

user165474

4:27 AM

@LeakyNun 334 bytes

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino wonderful. I just used t instead of q.

user165474

Ah. Yes, I reused q accidentally. yay thanks :D

user165474

also one of my friends did something like public: int cost; as a field in a C++ class and then in the constructor did int cost = argument; and then couldn't figure out why the field didn't have the argument's value :P

totallyhuman

oh this is hilarious, i just found le dix-neuvieme byte and das deutsche byte

Riker

@totallyhuman yes one of the mtv mods accidentally made it

movies & tv

totallyhuman

4:36 AM

y tho

brb fixing bug in task automation

>.> i hate the AST

user165474

@LeakyNun 333 bytes: replace [' ']*w for i in[0]*V with w*[' ']for i in[0]*V

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino nice

user165474

I just found out that list repetition works either way by testing that. :P

user165474

I thought it had to be iterable * repetitions but apparently not.

totallyhuman

commutative property of multiplication!

user165474

4:46 AM

It's called the commutative property...

totallyhuman

...right whatever :P

user165474

:P

Wheat Wizard

Could I get some feedback on this sandboxed challenge:

totallyhuman

boom i haz edit :3

Wheat Wizard

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Macgyver's Toolbox answer-chainingrestricted-source Each answer will get a "toolbox" that can be used to construct a program. The toolbox will consist of two things: a list of programming languages a list of valid characters You must write a valid program in one of the languages provided u...

Leaky Nun

5:02 AM

@HyperNeutrino why did you use V for w?

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Read a password: on mobile! string code-golf Thanks to MD XF's recent challenge, we can now read passwords in many different languages! The problem is, now we need to port our applications to mobile devices, and they do password entry a little differently. Challenge Read a string from the key...