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6:00 PM
@Yogi I think our discussions are bit off-topic here. We'll discuss it in other room.
@KeshavSrinivasan ok. I'll read it. Thanks
@SwiftPushkar शुभरात्रि।
 
@Pandya Okay
 
@Pandya You're welcome. By the way, if you're interested in Shaiva Siddhanta, you may want to read Meykandar's Shiva Jnana Bodham, which is one of the most important Shaiva Siddhanta texts. I discussed it with @Tezz a few months ago:
Jan 2 at 0:59, by Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz @TheDestroyer And by the way, Meykandar's Shiva Jnana Bodham is itself a commentary on a set of 12 verses from a Shaiva Agama called the Raurava Agama.
Jan 2 at 4:00, by Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz By the way, just like Vaishnavism has four Sampradayas (Brahma Sampradayam, Rudra Sampradayam, Sri Sampradayam, and Kumara Sampradayam), Shaivism also has two Sampradayas - Nandi Parampara and Skanda Parampara.
Jan 2 at 4:02, by Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz Meykandar belonged to Nandi Parampara, but there was another Shaiva Siddhanta Acharya named Shivagrayogi who belonged to Skanda Parampara. Just like Meykandar composed a work called the Shiva Jnana Bodham, Shivagrayogi also composed a work with the same title Shiva Jnana Bodham. Both works are commentaries on the same set of 12 verses from the Raurava Agama.
Jan 2 at 4:54, by Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz By the way, here is the set of 12 verses from the Raurava Agama that are considered so important: ऒम्

॥ शिवज्ञानबोधं ॥

स्त्रीपुन्नपुंसकादित्वाज्जगतः कार्यदर्शनात् ।
अस्ति कर्ता स हृत्वैतत् सृजत्यस्मात् प्रभुर्हरः ॥ १ ॥

अन्यस्सन्व्याप्तितोऽनन्य: कर्ता कर्मानुसारत: ।
करोति संसृतिं पुंसां आज्ञया समवेतया ॥ २ ॥

नेतितो ममतोद्रेकादक्षोपरतिबोधतः ।
स्वापे निर्भोगतो बोधे बोद्धृत्वादस्त्यणुस्तनी ॥ ३ ॥

आत्मान्तःकरणादन्योऽप्यन्वितो मन्त्रिभूपवत् ।
अवस्थापंचकस्थ: स्यान्मलरुद्धखदृक्क्रिय: ॥ ४ ॥

विदन्त्यक्षाणि पुंसार्थान्न स्वयंसोऽपि शंभुना ।
Jan 2 at 6:00, by Keshav Srinivasan
@Tezz By the way, here is Meykandar's Shiva Jnana Bodham: https://archive.org/details/SivaGnanaBothamEng And here is Shivagrayogi's Shiva Jnana Bodham: https://www.himalayanacademy.com/media/books/sivagnana-bodha_sa-en/sivagnana-bod‌​ha.pdf
@Pandya Most Shaiva Siddhantins today are followers of Meykandar and thus the Nandi Parampara. I don't know whether the Skanda Parampara even exists anymore.
 
6:18 PM
@Tobi consciousness is the result of connections in your brain.---> This has been refuted badly long ago by Indian achāryas ( philosophers) want to see some arguments?
 
How so... Do you think these men with no technology and only assumptions base upon the existence of god are more correct than the biologists of this age?
How long ago are you talking?
Because last century, people believed that bleeding yourself was the cure to all sickness
 
Okay if you can refute them, try. I'm presenting arguments.
 
You're making unfounded claims.
I want to believe, but have not been convinced...
All I'm fed with is: "Read the holy book, and you will learn", "Look at the world", "I had an apithony"
 
When was that published?
 
6:22 PM
This is your claim.
First understand your claim.
 
What is my claim?
 
2 hours ago, by Tobi
consciousness is the result of connections in your brain
 
And what is your argument? That a wise man from the last century knew it all, somehow, and is more correct that today's advanced biologists?
 
Dude, at least have a look on picture.
 
I read it
nonsense.
 
6:24 PM
Then I will post reply as well. That is not scripture, philosophical argument.
 
If I stuck a knife in your brain, you would fall unconscious
why do you think that is?
 
You're nonsense. You're asking questions & not letting us to answer. Okey describe consciousness.
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Please answer, that is exactly what I want, but you're not answering...
Please answer the question i just asked.
 
What do you want?
 
??
 
6:27 PM
Ask again.
 
If I stuck a knife in your brain, you would fall unconscious
why do you think that is?
??
 
The psycho - physical body fall unconscious.
Then?
Dear reply fast here 12:00 in India.
 
no
no pscho-physical nonsense
 
How non sense. Explain.
 
you fall unconscious because the connections undergo trauma
If your brain is off
you can not think
you are unconcious
 
6:32 PM
Yes.
 
basically, dead
when it is on, you're conscious
get what i mean?
So I don't know why you are linking consciousness to a god
 
Yes. I got. But it doesn't affect anything.
 
or mystical interaction
 
OK, how do you think consciousness works
because you said my statement was wrong
 
6:34 PM
You are talking about psycho - physical ontology as consciousness.
That's what we refute.
 
oK, what is consciousness
There's nothing more to it, than your brain...
 
I had asked this first. Ball is in your court.
 
You're thoughts, your personality, is all in your brain
consciousness
ˈkɒnʃəsnɪs/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.
 
Okay. Can you little more explain how brain remember things? I'm computer student. Lacking in science.
Okay. According to you consciousness is temporary. Right? As consciousness is nothing but dynamic connections of brain. & Dynamic Connections are temporary.
 
yes
you remember things
do to complex circuitry in the brain
 
6:38 PM
Who is 'you' ?
 
People, humans.
 
Ghanta
Describe more.
 
who is ghanta
 
I remember things. What is 'I' here?
 
You.
 
6:39 PM
😓
 
????????????????
You remember it, using your brain
 
What is 'you' ?
 
You, as a human, remember YOU!!
 
Temporary consciousness. Right?
 
What are you talking about?
 
6:40 PM
Okay.
We are taking about ontology.
 
We're talking about biology
 
Because we are talking on consciousness. So answer based on ontology.
 
Why is it hard to comprehend
You use your brain to remember things
There is no god that holds it for you
 
It is hard for you to comprehend. You want simple answers for complex questions is your problem. You are asking me "How O.S is made?" When I try to explain you about Computer architecture as a prerequisite, you start crying I don't answer.
I haven't talked about God so far.
 
looool
Operating system are made using programming languages
simple
 
6:43 PM
All I wanted to talk on consciousness. That too your version consciousness.
 
Thoughts are made USING YOUR BRAIN, simple./
 
Haha. You can't design OS without Knowing computer architecture.
Prerequisites are necessary.
 
They're made using programming languages.
That is the answer to the question.
"How are OSs made?"
 
Okay, simple answer is consciousness is the Self. But the consciousness you refer is psycho-phyical .
This is simple answer. But I'm 100% sure you didn't get.
 
No
 
6:46 PM
Yes
 
You're making up stories to explain things you don't understand
 
Okay, you tell me one thing. Consciousness is temporary according to you?
And tell what what conscious does?
Btw, O.S is made by programming language is very naive answer according to me. A kid version answer. Because knowledge of programming language is not sufficient to make an os.
33 mins ago, by Rohit Singh Rathore
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And you're saying this only. Have a look on the statement.
 
 
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10:07 PM
@Tezz @Pandya I just posted a question related to Vidyaranya's Sarvadarshana Sangraha:
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Q: What surviving works of the Rudra Sampradayam are there before Vallabhacharya?

Keshav SrinivasanAs I discuss in my question here, Vishnu is said to have taught the principles of Vaishnavism to four disciples: Lakshmi, Brahma, Shiva and Sanatkumara. And in turn they started the four main Sampradayas or traditions of Vaishnavism: Sri Sampradayam (which I belong to), Brahma Sampradayam, Rudra ...

@KrishnShweta You may also be interested in it, as you belong to the Rudra Sampradayam of Vaishnavism.
 

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