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12:00 AM
@bwDraco Oh wow, I did not know that. Interesting move from MS
 
@GypsySpellweaver I'm not looking to do that. That would make updates more complicated.
 
I suspect a shell extension could restore the cmd entries, but PowerShell is legitimately much nicer and people should get used to it
 
12:16 AM
This kind of junction really isn't a viable long-term solution. I'll eventually have to move it back.
I think what I'll do is redirect the cache only.
Firefox doesn't fail to start, but nothing is cached and performance is degraded.
 
12:36 AM
Hey @JourneymanGeek
How's work going?
 
DOSVIDANIA COMRADE!
@ThatRussianGuy I would very much like to stage a revolution for the greater glory of the workers.
Better chairs! Less paperwork! Dog Treats for all!
 
Bob
Someone ping me
 
@Bob
 
@Bob ping
 
Bob
cool, thanks
 
12:38 AM
@JourneymanGeek PRIVET, MY DROOG
SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION! GRAB THE RAM! DISAPPROPRIATE THE GTX 1080s!
@JourneymanGeek Why are you saying "goodbye" to me? Do you want to turn your back on me? I'll let the party know of this...
 
Well, this is also my first extended experience with a Lenovo AccuType keyboard. While the key travel is very shallow on this system, the uniquely rounded keys do make typing a bit more accurate.
 
@bwDraco yea, I quite enjoy the keyboard on my work T450
 
The Naples server processor will be branded EPYC.
 
Bob
@bwDraco yea uh. don't use a $220 laptop as a reference for keyboard quality...
 
@Bob It's notably worse than the better Lenovo systems, but it does have a noticeably different feel.
 
Bob
12:50 AM
@bwDraco ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
Also, 16C/32T Ryzen Threadripper is real.
Ryzen PRO for business PCs, plus new mobile processors.
This is probably the first time the enthusiast will see the "heat map" in the Task Manager CPU graph (which Windows only uses if you have 32 or more hardware threads).
 
1:26 AM
Ryzen Threadripper (up to 16C/32T) and rumored Core i9 (Skylake-X, up to 12C/24T): A new generation of super-multi-core processor for megatasking?
 
Bob
Can we stop making up new words now?
 
lol
 
can you merge atlassian accounts?
 
We could semi-try, although I think it'll be a megabattle.
 
Well, they're going to be niche products for quite a while...
 
1:33 AM
@Burgi Possibly yes (actual help article is behind a login wall)
 
@BenN thanks! that was darn quick too
 
1:47 AM
Erf. Gonna be late for work
 
IT guy at a small school?
 
Ah
Ok well take care.
 
No one's really going to notice tho
 
[This LQ review](https://superuser.com/review/low-quality-posts/653320) go 4 delete votes and 1 Looks OK and the post remains. How did that happen?
Is it because of a mod's action?
 
2:02 AM
@Twisty It always takes 6 Recommend Deletion votes to delete a post, but if there's only one NAA/VLQ flag in play, just 1 Looks OK will finish the task
 
@BenN Wow... 6:1.
 
2:14 AM
somehow i get $300 of azure credit...
 
@Burgi @Bob can tell you more about this.
 
i'm just not sure i'd use it
> Visual Studio for Mac
Community IDE on macOS
Build apps for mobile, cloud, web, and games using the IDE you love, on macOS.
the IDE i love?
 
Bob
2:33 AM
@Burgi run a couple windows VMs for fun :P
 
you have to pay for the storage even if the instance is turned off right?
 
Bob
@Burgi yes
 
that would burn through $300 quite quickly
 
Bob
@Burgi ...no?
I get 50 USD/month and that can hold quite a few instances deallocated
 
2:38 AM
interesting
 
2:51 AM
Very funny stuff. I bet someone is really proud of that headline.
 
Bob
@kingledion, I ate a prickly pear once and I was aware that I had done so for considerable time afterwards, specifically any time I touched anything. They're not a fruit for the inexperienced. — Separatrix 14 hours ago
 
3:07 AM
@Burgi heh. I'm now partial to IntelliJ on the Mac, but for work I'm forced to use Eclipse Neon on Windows 10, which isn't all bad, but is terribly slow (especially on Windows, with McAfee, and HDD instead of SSD) and has a tendency to freeze up sometimes
@Bob you know what sucks about rsync.net? You have to buy 1 TB of storage (yes, it's a fixed quantity, you can buy more but you pay even if you don't use it...) to get zfs send | ssh zfs recv functionality
 
Bob
@allquixotic o.O
 
and they have "immutable" snapshots, meaning, whatever you send them, not even the server's root user can delete, which is awesome, it's ransomware-proof
1 TB of storage from rsync.net is $60/month btw :P
so I said nevermind
 
Bob
@allquixotic owwtf
 
@Bob they're expensive as hell, but have great support, very robust servers, ridiculous speed, ridiculous reliability, and native zfs send support (not to a file, but to an actual pool!)
and their SSH is ridiculously locked down (a good thing) - your snapshots are always safe
 
Bob
@allquixotic ...here I am using B2 ($0.005/GB/month)
$5/TB-month? :P
@allquixotic Other cheap ones: OVH, Online.net C14, Oracle(yes, that Oracle)
But Oracle is really expensive transfer out for restores
B2 is ... alright. C14 is pretty good.
 
3:20 AM
@Bob I'm currently using B2 for photo archives.
 
._.
I do my own backups ;p
which... being a terrible person I've not actually checked in ages
 
someone just flagged my post for containing the word "hell"
@Bob do any of those (1) support native ZFS, and (2) have ransomware protection, so even if the ransomware knows your account details, they can still get your data back?
 
> have ransomware protection, so even if the ransomware knows your account details, they can still get your data back?
0_0
That sounds horrifying
 
Bob
@allquixotic Native ZFS doesn't matter (really, it doesn't... sending to dataset is the same as sending to file and then dataset). The only place it could make a difference is if you're doing dedupe.
And "ransomware protection" also doesn't matter.
Generic ransomware isn't going to try to access external stores, unless they happen to be mounted. These are not mounted.
 
wouldn't snapshots handle that, in theory?
 
Bob
3:30 AM
Targeted "ransomware"... you're stuffed anyway.
In any case, C14 does use a hot/cold system - the cold data isn't immediately accessible.
 
assuming the ransomware isn't clever enough to log in, and delete your snapshots over the API...
 
Bob
But I view "ransomware" protection of this sort as largely FUD.
@JourneymanGeek That's gone way past generic ransomware
Lowest common denominator and all that
 
Bob
Sure, you can hit maybe a dozen servers where that happens to be useful.
Or you could hit thousands of desktops.
Which gets you more money?
@allquixotic Put it this way. That kind of attack isn't 'ransomware' so much as an APT that could easily stay hidden for months, until you type in a password at some point ... poof. You've lost.
Unless the destination is literally write-only, in which case storage costs will just keep growing. Which is also unmanageable.
Ransomware-protection. Marketing fluff.
If you really want to get into it, most of these support snapshots of some sort.
e.g. B2 has snapshots (that aren't accessible by API, either).
But if you're dealing with attacks of that level, they'll just as soon get your website login and delete things from there.
 
That's a highly-targeted APT attack, not the sort of thing I would worry about
 
Bob
3:39 AM
@bwDraco That's why knowing your threat model is so important.
 
Businesses have ways to deal with this, like LTO tape.
 
Bob
If there's a determined human on the other end, and you're internet-connected, you've lost. If it's just generic ransomware that spreads as far as it can, you just have to be smarter than the majority.
When the majority is dumb enough to open random email attachments, that's not a hard thing to do.
2
 
@Bob I disagree. Sure, WanaCry doesn't attempt to encrypt your backup account (unless you have it mounted, in which case you're asking for it), but it's not hard to envision some ~50 SLOC per backup service special-casing in a ransomware payload. You can extort way more money from enterprises than people, so a single successful server breach is worth hundreds of desktops if they don't have their backups anymore.
If there's a way to get into your backups, they're going to go for it (which is why the best backups are physical, of course, but I can't do that with my OVH box -_-)
But basically even if they literally performed identity theft and took control over your rsync.net account, you could just re-establish that you're the legit owner of the account from a non-compromised system and get them to restore your snapshot, even if the attacker attempted to delete everything to the best of their ability.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Even that is trivially defeated by most offsite snapshot systems. C14 is much like Glacier in that you don't have direct access to the backups, only to a staging store.
 
@Bob By the way, did you still want to open that "bitcoin voucher" I received? :P
 
Bob
3:46 AM
@MichaelFrank Uh. Refresh my memory..? :P
 
@Bob Then C14 is what I want, assuming it's cheaper than rsync.net :P
 
Bob
@allquixotic If we're dealing with attackers that literally perform identity theft, I'd not worry so much about this kind of backup.
 
I just need some kind of offsite / cold system, and you're right that they're ridiculously effective against these sorts of attacks
 
Bob
Heck. Download it. Stick it on a physical HDD that's literally disconnected.
That is secure.
 
I was just saying, I wouldn't feel very comfortable if all my backup was, was something like, a ZFS snapshot image in S3
 
3:47 AM
@Bob I received an e-voucher from some bitcoin vendor in a password protected .docx or something.
 
Bob
@allquixotic I've not actually gotten around to trying C14, only read about it. But even B2 does snapshots that you can't delete without a website login. Except you'd have to manually manage the snapshots in that case.
 
@Bob I'd get halfway done downloading it and get a nastygram from Verizon informing me that I now have no more unlimited data because I exceeded my limited-unlimited data cap. That's a non-starter for me.
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank Oh. Yea, sure, why not. I'm just setting up a Windows network now... might as well see what comes out :P
@allquixotic Maybe not C14... there is a delete command in the API.
I need to try it out sometime.
 
There's a link to the file
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank ...gimme a bit, I need to sort out other stuff before blowing up my network :P
 
3:53 AM
I renamed the document name as the password to get in.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Hm. Interesting: C14 does safes, where each safe has its own access control, and can contain multiple archives.
Maybe the access control should be finer-grained.
@MichaelFrank I'll probably ask you for the link again when I'm ready to screw things up :P
 
@Bob Sure.
 
anyone else got a problem recently with chrome where every downloaded file fails the virus scan?
 
Bob
have you tried not downloading viruses? :P
 
4:04 AM
im fairly sure its not a virus
its my lecture ppt
 
dosen't mean its not got a virus
does it work in another browser?
 
works in another browser
 
So it's not every file? Just your ppt?
 
every file
i just downloaded factorio after purchasing it
and it failed after downloading 200mb zzz :(
thats from the official website so im assuming it doesnt have a virus
it just started happening 2 days ago
i can right click on a website and click save as and that downloads the html file
jpgs from imgur also fail
 
reinstall chrome?
does chrome have a safe mode?
 
4:08 AM
Try downloading an actual virus?
 
lol
eicar!
 
i dont think it has a safe mode
 
eicar.org/download/eicar.com.txt <- actual fake virus (eicar files are used to test AVs)
 
failed - virus scan failed
 
It sounds like whatever is attempting the scan is crashing and causing the download to abort.
 
4:10 AM
yeah, it detects viruses
... wait...
what's your AV?
 
I don't think it's identifying a virus at all.
VIRUS FINDER 2017
 
avast free
 
@MichaelFrank that's not helping
@Aequitas what version of windows?
 
win 7
 
4:13 AM
Disable any avast addons for chrome
If that helps (or it dosen't), MS Security essentials is perfectly good, and you could try that rather than avast
 
there arent any addons
ive tried disabling it from windows too
still no luck
 
Did you try incognito mode? Ctrl + Shift + N
 
incognito doesnt work
@Bob isn't that just disabling it?
good workaround i guess thanks,
 
Another post in that thread suggested that an old AV software was at fault. Did you recently change to Avast! ?
 
4:19 AM
nope
no changes to anything like that for a while
 
Bob
@Aequitas well... not like it's working anyway?
I don't use a/v scans on download, so idk
 
@Bob I need to investigate C14 a lot more, it's getting interesting now
 
Bob
@allquixotic at a glance, it doesn't quite seem to fit your use-case :\
 
4:54 AM
 
@XKCD LOL!
Input > Process > Output
Who here uses Microsoft Windows S?
 
5:12 AM
@HenryWHHackv2.0 I don't think you'll find any regular users of Windows 10 Walled Garden Edition among the power users in RA... though someone might download it to try it out
 
Oh yes of course.
Power users want to have freedom not limitations. I think.
No Linux is for freedom.
PC FREEDOM! fight for your PC rights!
 
@allquixotic In all honesty, they're gunning for the MacBook crowd.
I doubt the folks here would want to use Windows 10 S...
Unlocking Windows 10 Pro costs $49, but is free on some systems.
The education market (currently dominated by Chromebooks) tends to like locked-down systems for their manageability, and this is another market for Windows 10 S.
Ultimately, what the mainstream market wants is simplicity and reliability.
Power users are a very small minority. Computer literacy in the general population is becoming less important.
 
5:29 AM
Microsoft next big step is to comeout with Windows 10 S+ (In this version you cannot download anything from anywhere and you will only have to use the defaults and nothing else.)
 
Doubtful.
 
@bwDraco actually sounds like a decent option for me at that upgrade price over home.
I would definately upgrade tho
(especially with early adopters getting it free)
granted, I don't think I need any of those class of machines for now
oh ffs. My seat is squeaking
 
@JourneymanGeek If they gave me the whole OS free, I'd consider having it in a VM.
 
@GypsySpellweaver the upgrade - through windows store
So essentially "try our new locked down OS with no risk, since you can unlock it easily"
 
5:41 AM
But I'd still have to buy that which is to be upgraded.
Then what they'll do is sell Office that's locked down, and won't work when it detects the unlocked version of windows. :(
 
In an experiment, enabled memory compression and page combining (like Linux KSM) on the main laptop.
 Enable-MMAgent -mc -pc
(PowerShell command.)
I know it seems silly on a system with 24 GB of RAM, but just trying it out.
Trying it out with a memory-intensive photo editing application, opening lots of photos at once.
 
Bob
...
Memory compression is enabled by default.
 
For whatever reason, it wasn't on this machine.
 
I wonder how much memory it takes to load and run the memory compression?
 
Bob
Oh hi @FleetCommand... I thought I recognised that name & pic :P
 
5:57 AM
@Bob isn't that linked to your profile? 0_0
ah, my bad. danged mobile view
 
Bob
o.O
 
Hello
 
Olleh Lebitas
 
@satibel Hello and Welcome to the room of the future. LOL! :)
 
@HenryWHHackv2.0 The future belongs to those who have dreams.
 
6:07 AM
Ok
 
@HenryWHHackv2.0 you will read this message in the future. at least untill 2038-01-19 T 03:14:07 (UTC)
 
Hello!
 
I just got braces on my bottom teeth and these suck
 
That's what they say.
 
6:15 AM
@Rahul2001 Good work on the responsive CSS. Looks good in both rotations on all 3 devices now.
 
just noticed, unix time 1000000000 is 2001-09-11. Coincidence? I think not.
 
@satibel Coincidence is only a myth that explains the connections not yet seen.
 
@satibel Unix is Illuminati confirmed!
 
@GypsySpellweaver :D
 
i need to (re) make a cue: bot
 
6:27 AM
I also got a new favicon!
 
Had to enable favicons to see it. You sure you can use that? Not that Google has much interest in us little people anyway.
 
@HenryWHHackv2.0 *core linux and buildroot especially.
 
Does anyone know why/in which cases Community accepts an edit? Is it the case if a user with sufficient reputation does an edit?
 
@Seth That's one way, yea
 
Okay time to go.
 
6:36 AM
If a 2K+ user does an "accept and edit" Community provides the 2nd "approval" vote. Otherwise the 2K+ rep user's edit wouldn't go through, and they'd have to decline the edit and do their own
 
Ah OK. Thanks for the information!
 
Is it your horse?
 
6:58 AM
@Seth Was that mine?>
 
Bob
7:22 AM
hm. that blog post was in April
now if only people actually updated...
 
lol
this place actually seems to have automatic updates on all the systems!
Sheer. Dumb. Luck
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Laziness :P
It's easier to leave em on
 
Bob
> Today, we announced that we’ve simplified the install of Ubuntu by bringing it to the Windows Store.
o.o
 
and FWIW, everyone runs on a non admin account
 
Bob
7:27 AM
> We also announced we are working with SUSE Linux and Fedora Linux running on the Windows Subsystem for Linux— to bring them to the Windows Store.
o.O
 
I was about to say that...
 
@JourneymanGeek that is likely the biggest saver of all things for you.
 
we mostly run on XP and non updated 7, but we haven't been affected.
but we have daily backups.
 
daily backups are good
not getting infected is better
 
7:38 AM
We don't do backups
 
@JourneymanGeek run away
Wait, you only just started right?
 
@djsmiley2k well, we have both.
 
:)
patches! updates!
reboots
!
 
40*1 years experience greybeard.
we have the same policy on attacks than windows on deadlocks: doing nothing is good enough.
 
morning
 
user226528
7:57 AM
Hello, super-dudes! :)
 
mornin'
 
user226528
Strange. This chatroom is timing out today.
 
@djsmiley2k so your horse was amazing?
 
sure
@FleetCommand everything is broken
\o/
everyhting is cool when it's on fire!
\o/
 
user226528
You certain do seem broken.
 
user226528
8:05 AM
Huh! Fancy... we actually have a user named "Nifle"!
 
@djsmiley2k but it's cooler at 0°K
@FleetCommand still better that that one "null" guy
4203
Q: How to pass "Null" (a real surname!) to a SOAP web service in ActionScript 3?

billWe have an employee whose last name is Null. Our employee lookup application is killed when that last name is used as the search term (which happens to be quite often now). The error received (thanks Fiddler!) is: <soapenv:Fault> <faultcode>soapenv:Server.userException</faultcode> <fault...

 
you should strongly cast the field type and use ===
 
I know, that was just for reference.
 
lol
not handling Null as text vs null as a value
bad bad bad
 
8:26 AM
@djsmiley2k yup
 
hhee
if ya new, you can just look, see how things work (or don't work)
make suggestions, etc :)
I got a payrise at a old job after kicking butt because everyone had the root password to all the servers (and would login as root)
i wasn't very diplomatic
but the CTO loved it
 
6
Q: How long is a piece of string?

MoozI use the phrase How long is a piece of string every now and then, usually when somebody asks me when I'll finish some programming task that I haven't even looked into yet. I know what it means: English Phrase How long is a piece of string? 1. (colloquial, often humorous) U...

 
8:46 AM
In which case you were kind of lucky, there are enough people that would just tell it's been like that forever so why change it.
 
nod
 
No, I did not wait for Mark's reply
 
lol
 
Bob
@OliverSalzburg "Mark joined the chat"
lol.
 

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