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5:00 PM
ESTIMATION has 10 letters! Is that it!
 
Sid
I feel like that colon is important. Or it could just be to distract.
 
@Sid Or it's because Note is the literal definition
 
estimation synonyms are longer than bote synonyms though
only note synonyms i can find with 10 letters is 'indication'
 
Sid
Also, @Rubio You can remove the star from my CC
 
Note ~ naught = 0 ...
@Sid What? I don't see yours on the star-board any more.
 
5:06 PM
@Sid Already did a while ago. try refreshing.
 
Annotation? It has a T, but inside, not around; a zero/O, agian inside; and an anion that nobody asked for.
 
Sid
Oh, sorry
 
Place a t around 0: A0T?
 
Azerot!
 
Azeroth? What?
 
5:09 PM
Oh, Azeroth is actually a thing?
Hmm ... suspicious ...
 
It's the world of World of Warcraft
 
Fits with first raid from the last clue
 
> World path mostly goes around nothing (7)
@SpencerFleming First raid sounds like first aid for pirates.
 
But only for the first mate.
 
Johnny Depp?
That's 10!
 
5:12 PM
@n_palum Er, haven't you learned yesterday that it's (6, 4)?
 
Sid
Um, that's not 10 letters..
 
@n_palum 10 factorial is a lot of letters.
 
Sid
@MOehm At after NOT. Anion because everyone loves to be negative. NAILED IT!
 
LISTEN let me make a joke without yall nit picking it with your smart brains for two seconds
Killing me here
 
@n_palum This is Puzzling. Nit picking with smart brains is what we do best.
 
5:14 PM
:)
 
@Randal'Thor Yeaaa I know.. ;_;
 
The pedantry is real
6
 
^ facts
 
@Rubio Why restrict to one dimension? My pedantry is complex.
 
Whoop there it is (again)
 
5:15 PM
@Randal'Thor Yes, i know.
 
Aww, I'd forgotten that was deleted :-(
 
Hey @BeastlyGerbil did you see that @Techidiot filled out the sudoku just like you xD
 
Heh :P
 
@Randal'Thor why deleted?
 
@Rubio See comment from Deusovi.
 
5:20 PM
Oh. lol. It was buried in "1 more comment"
 
I think there should be a CC like "Trade back paws" (4)
 
Seeee look at how easy that is
 
There aren't supposed to be easy :P
 
@n_palum There was:
51 mins ago, by Rubio
CCCC: Pay back time after first raid. (5)
 
5:29 PM
That's what Tech said and I had to send some emails so I didn't really pay attention to that one :/
 
@n_palum A character replaced nop's heart, met a friend er, you? (7)
 
What the heck is "nop"
 
^
 
Sid
@Techidiot That actually makes n_ppalum.
 
greetings @Sausageroll
 
5:35 PM
It could have been Mr. Nop's but as per the rules there should be Nothing else
Yeah @Sid
As far as it comes close :p
 
@BeastlyGerbil You're greeting other people in their questions AND in chat and you never did either for me ;_; ;_;
 
shouldn't the enumeration be 1_5 then?
 
aah poor you :P
 
@Techidiot How the heck is that supposed to be me?
@BeastlyGerbil I feel so excluded :P
 
friend = pal, er = um
you is the definition
 
5:37 PM
The answer was my name and I still hadn't figured it out yet
Facepalming
 
A character replaced nop's heart (n_p), met a friend (pal) er (um), you (def)? (7)
although that CC is wrong, you get 2 ps from it
maybe "met a headless friend"?
 
^ or smushed no's tail
or is saying smushed invalid o -> _
 
Or an album without B side.
 
Ha, I like that
 
nice...
 
5:41 PM
So is that a no you can't smush a letter?
I feel like I should change my username now... is that a thing? or does that cause too much confusion?
 
@Techidiot Are they perhaps a toy specific to a religion? — n_palum 3 mins ago
@n_palum I don't understand this question. :-/
 
@n_palum Sure, you can change it. (Why, though?)
 
Are toys specific to religion as well :-/ Never knew that.
 
@Techidiot They kinda look like dreidels (or however you spell it) and I didn't wanna directly say it in case it was
 
Sid
Well, I knew toys specific to genders(which I don't quite agree on) but neither did I knew about toys specific to religion.
 
5:45 PM
Don't really mean specific as in only for the religion, meant like come from it
@Deusovi Idk everyone's got like some sort of username and mines like part of my actual name XD
 
M Oehm and Sid both have parts of their actual names.
 
Sid
Well, So is mine. There is nothing harm with that.
 
And Gareth, too.
 
so do i ;)
 
Fair enough ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(Fist pumps) I got the arm back
@BeastlyGerbil You're not a real Gerbil as much as you want to be
 
5:48 PM
@BeastlyGerbil Bill?
 
Don't crush my dreams I can be what I want :P
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@Randal'Thor ?
 
@n_palum How do you know that?
@BeastlyGerbil (Beastly Ger(bil))
 
@Sid What about "Argentine Marxist notes an effort..." ("an effort" can mean "try" just like "make an effort") ("notes" being MIS, like DO RE MI...)
 
@BeastlyGerbil Bill is the only name I can see contained in "Beastly Gerbil".
 
Oh no not at all I was jk
 
5:49 PM
@Deusovi Gerbils don't play sports unless he's running some sort of underground gerbil sport ring
 
So you have read my profile :P
 
Sid
@GentlePurpleRain Um, how can I make the def fit with that? It makes it sound strange.
 
Anyone I've read stuff from that I enjoyed/thought was interesting I've looked up (whether it be here or arqade)
 
Sid
Anyway, I got to go. I spent far more time here today than I intended to. Goodbye.
 
5:50 PM
@Sid Dunno; sounds okay to me...
 
@BeastlyGerbil I think it's interesting to see what people write.. even if it's just to see where they are from or the experience they have... helps give perspective and makes it easier to understand people you're talking to
 
Same here
 
Like it's neat to see where the mods came from to get to be mods.. or to know that you're not a literal beastly pet rodent ;)
 
no, I'm a beastly pet rodent
 
user image
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(relevant)
 
5:55 PM
:P
And I don't think gerbils live to be 14yo :P
 
You never know
 
Its 5-8 for domestic
life span that is
 
Some people claim the oldest ever is upwards of 12
 
@n_palum And, regarding the aforementioned pedantry, there's a disclaimer in my profile, so no one should be surprised...
 
Well you weren't one of the ones nit picking before ;)
 
6:06 PM
Don't worry; I've done my fair share.
 
protected this because getting spam from a user
 
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Sausage rollYou have a 3-tuple $(x_1,x_2,x_3)$. At each move, you can take any two numbers, $x_i$, $x_j$, and replace them: $x_i \rightarrow \frac{(x_i + x_j)^2}{\sqrt2}$ and $x_j \rightarrow \frac{(x_i - x_j)^2}{\sqrt2}$. You're give two tuples. So, given initial $(x_{i_1},x_{i_2},x_{i_3})$ and end tupl...

 
6:30 PM
I'm digging through abbreviations and synonyms to try and get this CC but I've got nothing substantial thus far
 
I want to solve it cause I'v thought up a good cc :P
 
Same.. I think....
Hey @Techidiot does your radish puzzle have anything to do with ciphering or changing the letters? because if so I'm out of ideas
 
@Sphinx A rickroll? Seriously?
 
6:46 PM
@Randal'Thor His name is sausage roll
 
You didn't recognize it on sight?
 
@n_palum And his sockpuppet, Tea Roll :-P
That would actually be a good name for a sockpuppet.
 
heh. I own 50% of the pin board again.
 
Sid
@Rubio I think oehm was right. ANNOTATION sounds likely.
 
@Rubio I have a "clear stars" button ...
... wait, so do you.
 
6:50 PM
I wasn't complaining ;)
 
Sid
Also, the sausage roll guy feels like an old friend(although I have no evidence and don't like to harass new users)
 
@Sid I thought so too. Again, flag for mods rather than discussing in here.
 
Sid
No evidence. For all we know, they might be innocent
 
@Randal'Thor He probably used most of a bank roll to get that puppet
@Rubio We can't all be as witty as you
 
@Sid Per usual, answers without constructions will not be commented on
 
7:00 PM
@Rubio I think I understand everything except how Ann gets in there :/
Unless it's supposed to read like around an O = ANNO?
 
@n_palum She just logs in and clicks on the chat link to get in here, like everyone else.
Oh, that Ann.
 
Now you're makin' the jokes.. I see how it is
 
@Sphinx Should this be closed?
 
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Q: Long Division Logic Problem

LainI know some of you enjoy some good math logic problems (Myself included) here is one I had fun with that took me a bit of time to solve. The A in these numbers is a number 0-9, it is the same number of all the A's in the puzzle. The question marks can be any other number 0-9 except whatever you c...

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Q: Solve the riddle

L.K.Solve the riddle, That's all you great folks

 
@Randal'Thor Depends if they know the answer/provide a source
 
7:24 PM
I am now realizing that is not an O but a 0... back to square 1
 
Regarding the CCCC, I wonder if "around 0 in estimation" is referring to epsilon, which could just be interpreted as the letter E?
 
@GentlePurpleRain But how would that help us with ANNOTATION or are you suggesting it could be something else?
 
I'm suggesting it could be something else.
 
Ohh saucy
Now realizing depending on where people are from saucy can sound like a lot of things...
 
I interpreted it as "bold and perhaps slightly rude".
 
7:29 PM
Just take it as bold then :)
Hmm so maybe it isn't even a noun but a verb to note
 
@n_palum I'll add another helpful tag if the puzzle remains unsolved. :-)
 
@Techidiot I got stuck on it so I'll keep an eye on it if something changes
 
@n_palum It's too easy if you get the idea behind it. I'm surprised to see its still unsolved
 
I haven't really been looking for some hidden concept.. that's why I asked about the type of toy being relevant
I also updated that sudoku so maybe you'll finish mine easily
 
Oh many numbers are changed. It seems like we need to fill some words in there.
Its late here. Already 15 past 1. So, ll catch some sleep. I hope some one gets there in the mean time.
Night all!
 
7:45 PM
Night
@Techidiot also it's not as tricky as you think, don't fill it, don't solve it.. just look at it
 
7:57 PM
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8:21 PM
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Q: Don't Underestimate Me - What Am I?

ovaltein I'll go first, I'll lead the way With some careful planning we'll make them pay There's an incessant ticking off to the side Don't take too long, you cannot hide I see others standing tall I'm just as strong even though I'm small If I should fall onto my face I know another will ...

 
@n_palum Annotation was just a reply to Beastly Gerbil who said that the only 10-letter synonym for note was indication.
 
8:42 PM
@MOehm Yeah but it seemed plausible as it could be a def from note, but I don't think it is anymore
 
9:07 PM
Maybe "around 0 in estimation" is NEGLIGIBLE (def). Not sure what the wordplay would be, though...
It could also be RE (note) + PUT (place) + A + T + ION (around 0 in "estimation" (the letters around the O)) = REPUTATION, but that leaves no definition...
 
Reputation looks promising. The def would be estimation.
 
But estimation is already used to get the ION. It can't do double-duty.
And I don't think reputation and estimation mean the same thing, in any context...
 
Yes they do!
"Estimable" means "held in high esteem"
And it's "around 0, in". I(O)N
 
Ah.
Just saw that.
Make much more sense.
@Rubio RE (note) + PUT (place) + A + T + ION (around "0 in") = REPUTATION (estimation)
 
Yay for teamwork :-)
 
9:15 PM
Not sure if that's definitive enough to be considered correct. I need to go AFK in about 5 minutes, so I could post a new one now, or wait for confirmation from Rubio.
 
I say post it now.
I'm pretty sure that's right.
 
Yes, so do I, for what it's worth.
 
ok
CCCC: Destroy a lone VW without an O, for example (5)
Not a great surface reading. :(
 
9:28 PM
Glf? Pl? :)
 
9:40 PM
@Randal'Thor Did I help dad?
 
10:14 PM
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Q: A dark and stormy Car Talk quibbler

humnWhile being indescribably grateful for the hundreds of Car Talk Puzzlers, I have a quibble with one in particular.   The goal now is to improve, in my opinion, on that puzzle’s official solution.     Paraphrase of The Dark and Stormy Night from Car Talk Radio 1. All residents of a 3-storey apa...

 
@Sphinx I'm not getting the point of this ... hope I'm not annoying @humn with my "what are you on about?" comments :-/
 
Not that it offers much, I don't understand what he's asking/the wording
 
I'm trying to clarify the statement and hope that the comments are helping some in the meanwhile. It is meant as a fairly easy puzzle, not a trivial puzzle.
Got a tough puzzle in the works to make up for that, don't worry:
 
@humn Wow, looks awesome.
Did you make that using Kali, by any chance?
 
FWIW I think I have understood what @humn's quibbler is about, and have answered accordingly.
(Initially I was just as baffled as everyone else.)
 
10:24 PM
(If anyone's interested in plane geometry and hasn't used Kali, check it out - it's awesome.)
 
Sounds nice but doesn't look at all likely to produce images like the one above.
 
If you're artistically inclined you can use a drawing tablet and any software that you can draw in and setup an symmetry option to just make symmetrical squiggles and the likes
 
@humn's picture is not simply a symmetrized squiggle. It's got some relationship to the regular hexagonal/triangular lattice in the plane.
 
@GarethMcCaughan Then either you haven't tried using it enough or I've got the wrong link.
 
It'll be the former.
 
10:28 PM
@Randal'Thor , another cool use of the word Kali! I used an adapted version of EquationExplorer. The puzzle will be to produce a muuuch simpler picture from the same simple equation that produced that thing up there
 
... actually, no, having looked more I'm still not convinced that Kali is likely to produce pictures like that one, for two reasons.
1. It makes things with wallpaper-group symmetries, but @humn's picture doesn't have that sort of symmetry.
2. It wants you to draw, freehand, with straight lines. Making a picture with the relationships between lattice points that seem to be present in @humn's, and with the nice smooth "organic" contours, using such a tool, sounds really painful.
 
@GarethMcCaughan I'm not sure exactly what kind of symmetry humn's picture has, but at any rate both humn's picture and the images produced using Kali are very symmetrical.
 
I mean, his contours are presumably something like the solutions of f(x,y)=const or maybe f(x,y)=integer, where f is probably some sort of sum over things involving lattice points. That's not the sort of thing Kali seems designed to do.
 
@GarethMcCaughan I wasn't suggesting his was, I was just saying for rand if he wants a cleaner looking thing than rigid shapes produced by a program
 
@Rand
oops
@Randal'Thor I'll guess that the only actual symmetries are D_6 (i.e., the dihedral group of order 12, same as the symmetries of a regular hexagon) but there's clearly more regularity going on than literal symmetries.
 
10:32 PM
@GarethMcCaughan You can set Kali to use curved lines instead of straight (not arbitrary squiggles, but in such a way that when you change direction, the straight line bends into a smooth curve - there's probably a name for that which I've forgotten). And the lattice points make themselves, since wallpaper groups include translational symmetry.
I have a whole gallery of amazing Kali pictures, but I don't have the software to either view them or create new ones any more :-(
 
yebbut what's going on with the lattice points here isn't an actual outright symmetry of the sort Kali would produce. The picture isn't the same "at" each lattice point. But I hadn't noticed Kali was able to draw curves. That does make it more plausible that it could produce a picture like this, given enough determination.
 
Okay well I didn't mean any of these things were squiggles.. just suggesting a different approach, more freehand and less mathematical.. e.g like a mandala style tattoo or something
 
11:28 PM
@GentlePurpleRain (confirmed, btw)
 
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