The Comms Room

@TylerShads haha, I didn't mean it that way -- just I thought you were here because the conversation was amusing, not that you actually worked as a sysadmin.

Jacob

@MDMarra the only one I need to get there from VA :) NJ

Zypher

9:09 PM

@TylerShads but you should still come to PICC :)

voretaq7

@Zypher car to qns/brooklyn, then NYCT to penn, then NJTranshit to New Brunswick

Zypher

not bad, you need to go to philly, then you YEARN for NJT

Peter Grace

@TylerShads Zypher is right, though. Come to PICC. Geeks! Beer!

voretaq7

(It would be MTA/LIRR to penn, then NJTranshit to New brunswick, except LIRR stops running at 0300 so any delay in NJT means sleeping at penn)

Zypher

also shwag

Peter Grace

9:11 PM

Oh yes, shwag.

voretaq7

@Zypher conferences don't give good swag anymore.

Zypher

@voretaq7 ... or stay at the hotel and not have to worry about it?

voretaq7

@Zypher also a possibility depending on budgetary constraints :)

Zypher

@voretaq7 SERVERFAULT/STACKEXCHANGE/ETC SCWAG

voretaq7

@Zypher ... marketing idea: Buy shit with your rep! :-)

Jacob

9:11 PM

@PeterGrace Minus for me of course :(

TylerShads

@PeterGrace dont drink xD

voretaq7

(so... John Skeet can buy a surplus server or something.)

Zypher

@voretaq7 no no ... we don't want to associate rep with money

MDMarra

@voretaq7 I'll start hounding people for upvotes

voretaq7

@TylerShads get a shirley temple and we'll all make fun of you for being a kid :-)

Peter Grace

9:12 PM

hahaha

MDMarra

@TylerShads You're in the wrong profession

Peter Grace

he can get a shirley temple with @Jacob

voretaq7

@Zypher FINANCING IDEA: Buy rep with your credit card! $100 per point!

:-)

Zypher

make it 1k and send me your credit card number directly and we have a deal (or better yet swing by StackHQ and give me cash :) )

Peter Grace

@sysadmin1138 saw the thundercats signal? Coming to PICC this year?

voretaq7

9:14 PM

@Zypher who the hell would buy 1 point of rep?

Peter Grace

Oh, Fuck. I can't drink on this diabeetus medication.

sysadmin1138

I can't come to PICC. Two strikes against it: 1) My wife's birthday that weekend, 2) Major-outage-weekend for one of our two web platforms.

Jacob

are we going to put a PICC community ad up?

Peter Grace

@sysadmin1138 :(

voretaq7

@PeterGrace you CAN, you just really shouldn't.

sysadmin1138

9:15 PM

Sad-face, indeed.

Zypher

@Jacob yea i don't think we've gotten the creatives for it yet

voretaq7

I worked with a sales guy who had an insulin pump. Drank like a fish.

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 maybe I'll stop taking it a couple days beforehand.

voretaq7

a russian fish.

Iain

@Jacob go for it

voretaq7

9:16 PM

in winter.

Peter Grace

Yeah, metformin doesn't do the same thing as insulin

sysadmin1138

Right now I'm considering how much of a BOFH I should be to a pair of my users.

Zypher

oh a community ad ... i guess, it's up to you , we are already giving them ad slots though :)

voretaq7

@PeterGrace yeah - though IIRC you can drink like 1-2 beers on Metformin and not wind up dead. Ask your doctor, they may adjust your dose or sommat

84104

@voretaq7 In Russia alcohol drowns in you!

voretaq7

9:17 PM

@84104 vast ist difference?

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 yeah, from what I read, excessive drinking can cause hypoglycemia and lactic acidosis, but I wonder what "Excessive" means.

I think I was up to 7 at LISA before giving in

MDMarra

@PeterGrace Only one way to find out

sysadmin1138

@PeterGrace Uh, you were past that.

Peter Grace

@mdmarra for great justice! Are YOU going to PICC?

@sysadmin1138 Funny how memory fades after a certain amount of alcohol... hah.

MDMarra

@PeterGrace Doubtful, unless you want to pay for my entry on the SE dime

Peter Grace

9:19 PM

@mdmarra bah, it's cheap.

MDMarra

Yeah, but

I don't want to pay it

and work is broke as a joke until June 1

sysadmin1138

If it weren't THAT WEEKEND I could talk work into paying for it, right up our alley.

Zypher

@sysadmin1138 WAAAAY past

Chris S

@PeterGrace Most studies I've seen say "excessive" is more than 2 in a day; and "binge" drinking is more than 4. I think the study authors are universally ultra-lightweights.

Zypher

@ChrisS average? it's average right, average ... oh please be average

Chris S

9:21 PM

@Zypher No, just at any given time...

Peter Grace

@ChrisS yeah, I'm certain I was far beyond that.

Zypher

ahhh neo-prohibitionists ... i guess that means this country was founded by binge drinkers

Peter Grace

Greg probably knows best.

MDMarra

I don't drink as much as I used to, but if I stop being lazy enough to go to a bar, you sure as shit know that I'm not drinking any less than 6 beers

sysadmin1138

Back when I worked for a .edu, this would be the point where I'd hit the databases and see what they said. No more.

Jacob

9:21 PM

0

A: Community Promotion Ads - 2012

Zypher

@MDMarra hit that database

voretaq7

@Zypher youd have to be drunk to stand up to the world's premier military power

Peter Grace

@Jacob I think they pay us for ad space already. That or we gave it to them as part of the sponsorship.

Chris S

@Zypher In a college class we had to do some reporting on issues we found interesting. One person took up binge drinking. I had quite a few heated discussions with her, who has never been tanked and basically never drank, and how those studies were little more than self-reinforcing delusions.

Zypher

@voretaq7 ... that doesn't explain the terrorists, they don't drink at all

Iain

9:23 PM

@Jacob The image that you create must be 220 x 250 pixels

MDMarra

@Zypher how do you know that for sure? Are you...a terrorist?

sysadmin1138

> Binge drinking — usually defined as rapidly downing five drinks or more in a row — is especially dangerous.

voretaq7

@Jacob wrong size (The image that you create must be 220 x 250 pixels)

sysadmin1138

Mayo Clinic.com. Good stuff.

voretaq7

@Zypher that's different. They've gone insane from lack of alcohol.

Jacob

9:23 PM

@voretaq7 whitespace time

MDMarra

I think most of us would feel just fine after 5 adult beverages

voretaq7

@sysadmin1138 s/dangerous/fucking stupid/

Peter Grace

@sysadmin1138 Really? Would we consider that night binge drinking, then?

voretaq7

@Jacob scale it up - it's hard to read as it is anyway.

Peter Grace

I called that just having a good time.

Chris S

9:24 PM

@sysadmin1138 Only if you're standing in front of the person who just did it.

voretaq7

@PeterGrace depends on "rapidly"

Peter Grace

@voretaq7 I think we'd need to know an accurate count as well.

sysadmin1138

@PeterGrace You were at 7 at the bowling alley, and you'd been going for what.... 3 hours by then? Not quite 'short'.

MDMarra

@voretaq7 I think most that I've seen define rapidly as roughly 1 drink/hr

Chris S

@PeterGrace Undoubtedly yes. =]

MDMarra

9:24 PM

which isn't rapid at all

voretaq7

if you pound back 5 shots one after the other? That's stupid. You deserve to get alcohol poisoning.

@MDMarra 1/hr isn't unreasonable depending on the drink.

Chris S

@MDMarra An average person burns off 1 drink/hr up to a few drinks, after a few you start slowing down usually.

voretaq7

one every 15-30 minutes I might call "rapid"

MDMarra

Right, I was just saying that most studies that define binge drinking define "rapid" as 1/hr

Peter Grace

Jesus, really? I can do two beers at least in 15 minutes.

Chris S

9:25 PM

@voretaq7 I've done 4 of Bacardi Lemon.... The good old days.... That's how you get the party started!

Peter Grace

At LISA I was doing them like 4 beers every 15 mins.

Mark Henderson

Hey @Zypher - you know the guys down at Fog Creek, don't you?

Zypher

@MarkHenderson sure do

voretaq7

1 drink (beer or cocktail) in 30-60 minutes I call moderate

MDMarra

I usually just skip the formalities, show up at 1am, roofie myself, order a drink and wake up on Sunday.

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Peter Grace

9:26 PM

@MarkHenderson we eat lunch with them every day!

Mark Henderson

@Zypher Any idea what their opinion is on re-applying for jobs?

Chris S

@PeterGrace 15 minutes?! I need to teach you how to shotgun a beer. =]

Peter Grace

@ChrisS open bar = Pete's Playground.

Zypher

@MarkHenderson ... hmm no idea .. but what is the worst that can happen?

voretaq7

@ChrisS yeah... no. Maybe because I got my bartending license before I got into serious drinking, and saw the after-effects of that kind of behavior :)

Zypher

9:27 PM

@ChrisS in collage i could chug a bottle in ~10 seconds

voretaq7

@MDMarra parrrrrr-tay!

Mark Henderson

@Zypher Haha I piss them off. I've been hammering powershell like a motherfucker in the last 3 weeks (which is why I got rejected in the first place), but I don't want to bother re-applying for the same job if I'm just gunna piss them off

MDMarra

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Peter Grace

@MarkHenderson If you came back and said "I spend the last 3 weeks getting as good as I could with PowerShell so I could give it another try" I think anyone you talked to there would be impressed.

Chris S

@Zypher It's quite easy to shotgun a beer in notably less than 10 second.

MDMarra

9:28 PM

Haha sorry, couldn't resist :D

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson meh, just include it on your cover letter

Jacob

@MarkHenderson How does Powershell= rejection?

voretaq7

or talk to someone on the phone/via email and see if they'd be receptive

Zypher

@ChrisS not the bottles, they have some challenges

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Yeah, I will. My cover letter will be basically telling them why I'm better now than I was 3 weeks ago :p

voretaq7

9:29 PM

@Jacob I think it's more (! powershell) == rejection [true]

Mark Henderson

@PeterGrace Alright, Ill do up a proper cover letter / CV and throw it back in their pile :p

Zypher

however it was a good skill in hmm i think it was Kings, where the next person had to finish you time if you ran out of beer

maybe f*&k the dealer

Chris S

@Zypher Bendy straw; make a U shape, put in bottle, chug. =]

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Well, it was mainly because I had rubbish scripting skills

MDMarra

I'm going home. Peace

Zypher

9:29 PM

@ChrisS Cheating

Peter Grace

@MDMarra later gator.

Mark Henderson

They set me a practical task, and I got it done, but it took me wayy too long with too many Umms and aaahhs

Chris S

@Zypher Professional!

Mark Henderson

@MDMarra Cya

voretaq7

@MDMarra no no, he was talking about collage class. It was right after basketweaving, and before fundamentals of database design. He was pre-gaming for the russian DB professor :)

Zypher

9:30 PM

see @voretaq7 gets me

voretaq7

@ChrisS Professionals can do circular breathing.

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 What is it with russian lecturers working in IT courses?

Chris S

@voretaq7 Still slower than the shotgun techniques.

Mark Henderson

My database lecturer was russian, didnt understand a word she said in 2 semesters

voretaq7

@MarkHenderson IDK, but she was a damn fine professor once you got used to the accent

Peter Grace

9:31 PM

fine as in... FINE

voretaq7

and once we explained to her that she had to shout

Jacob

Fixed

voretaq7

@ChrisS BRB, building beer grenade.

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Well that's something I guess. Mine was not "fine" :P

voretaq7

@PeterGrace she wasn't the most attractive mail-order Russian bride...

but she had an amazingly intuitive understanding of RDBMS internals.

that has to count for something on the bride market, right?

Peter Grace

9:32 PM

Truth.

voretaq7

"Not so easy on the eyes, but she will help you optimize your schema and indexing structure"

SOLD!

Mark Henderson

@voretaq7 Sure, I'd hit that.

@voretaq7 "sorry dear, I'm divorcing you; you've been replaced by the SQL Server Profiler"

"See, it picked up on this statistic and TWO more indexes that you missed"

Iain

-3

Q: Server Fault is broken!

I found a rendering bug in sites that are run in the ServerFault like economics.stackexchange.com. I was trying to build up some REPs there with a question about unequal wealth distribution -- I knew the answer, so I thought that it was a good place to start. I asked the question, and everything...

bug

just plain OT or should it go to the shark tank that is mSO ?

Peter Grace

@Iain See TL.

WesleyDavid

GAHBLAHFARGLEMARGLEFLIPPINRIPPINGHARGLEBLARGLEMUFFINEATINGDINGDONGALABRIGABRAG!‌!!!!

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Q: Why is "chmod -R 777 /" destructive?

I'm not asking how to fix this problem, as there are a ton of references of that already on serverfault (reinstall OS). I also completely understand why this is bad form. I'm just curious as to why it does anything destructive at all. If you've ever ran this command you pretty much immediately de...

linux ubuntu permissions command-line chmod

sysadmin1138

9:37 PM

@WesleyDavid Indeed, that one is headdesk worthy.

Mark Henderson

@Iain Should I turf it to the correct meta site.. or... I dont really want to inflict that pain on them as well

Jacob

@WesleyDavid How long did that take to type?

Iain

@MarkHenderson I think they'll cope on mSo

Grace Note

@sysadmin1138 As a non-sysadmin, may I inquire?

Mark Henderson

@Iain I was thinking meta.economics

Peter Grace

9:38 PM

I don't think meta.eco is a migration target though?

Grace Note

@PeterGrace Mods can migrate anywhere

sysadmin1138

@GraceNote Security is baked into several portions of the operating system, and many tools do permissions checks before running. Doing that will break stuff.

Peter Grace

@GraceNote Well GOLLY GEE WILLIKERS, nobody mentioned this to me.

Jacob

-4

A: How do I search Microsoft DNS?

Install cygwin. Browse to C:\Windows\System32\dns Use grep. Like any Microsoft Problem, it's most easily solved with the Cygwin port of the Linux toolset.

Grace Note

@sysadmin1138 What does chmod -r 777 do?

Mark Henderson

9:39 PM

@PeterGrace Damn straight we can ;)

sysadmin1138

Heck, I can migrate to meta.cooking.stackexchange.com if we REALLY REALLY need to.

Peter Grace

LOL

Grace Note

@PeterGrace I... I just did...

Jacob

He answered his own Q?

Mark Henderson

@ChrisS - poor meta.economics :(

WesleyDavid

9:40 PM

@Jacob That is the single worst answer I think I've ever seen.

sysadmin1138

@GraceNote That recursively sets the entire filesystem to 'anyone can do anything.'

Peter Grace

Just FYI guys, he's in the channel here.

Chris S

@MarkHenderson I admit, I got an evil grin as I clicked the migrate button. =}

Grace Note

@sysadmin1138 Oh my

Mark Henderson

@PeterGrace Yeah we know. And we don't care. Neither does he :p

He's the best kind of troll - the one that genuinely believes in what he does

Peter Grace

9:41 PM

Meh, ok.

Mark Henderson

you should all follow @TheEvanCarroll who is bar none the most sophisticated troll I've ever encountered. It's a compliment!

Tweeted by codinghorror on February 24, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Chris S

@PeterGrace Talking behind people's backs is rude; better to let is hang out of in the open, air it all out.

Zypher

man i thought he had been suspended network wide ..

Mark Henderson

@Zypher I suspect it expired

Peter Grace

@ChrisS truth. But we're feeding the trolls by discussing it.

Jacob

9:42 PM

@Zypher You have teh Power

Chris S

@PeterGrace Meh, he'll either get tired of us or end up like vgv8

Jacob

I am the only one that noticed "
I found a rendering bug in sites that are *run in the ServerFault*

Mark Henderson

Good ol' vgv8

Jacob

FUCK YOU TOO MARKUP

Chris S

I'm still confused about vgv8; obviously either had multiple personalities or multiple people running the account. Misguided is the understatement of the century.

WesleyDavid

9:48 PM

@ChrisS Someone went chmod -R 777 /dev/personality on him.

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Peter Grace

haha

Chris S

Oh; is that all. I understand now.

@MarkHenderson The Q has 2 upvotes on mECON now. meta.economics.stackexchange.com/questions/148/…

Mark Henderson

@Jacob Curse markup, get a star :)

Haha well maybe he will find more love there than here!