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Nathan Osman

11:00 PM

I have searched high and low. No method.

And even if there was, sync-ing it with the websocket code would be a nightmare.

terdon

@Serg Heh :) Seen and comprehensively answered.

Kaz Wolfe

let me look

or just open inspector lol

Nathan Osman

I did.

There is no method.

Kaz Wolfe

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/pingable/201

Seth

6

It finally came! Only took them a year and half xD

Nathan Osman

11:05 PM

\o/

terdon

@Seth Yay!

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe That isn't the same data as in the page.

On the page, you get data like this:

{
    id: 1345,
    name: ("Nathan Osman"),
    email_hash: ("11e74c6cb64be4d24fdee076ddb374b0"),
    reputation: 102077,
    last_post: 1489520362,
    is_moderator: true,
    is_owner: true
}

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman That data comes from https://chat.stackexchange.com/user/info (POST)

Nathan Osman

Yes, but it isn't vectorized.

You must call that once for each user.

Kaz Wolfe

no you don't.

Nathan Osman

11:08 PM

Wat.

Kaz Wolfe

you can pass in a list.

Nathan Osman

Wait, what, how?

Begins head-smacking-on-desk procedure...

Kaz Wolfe

ids takes a list

curl -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded" -d 'roomId=201&ids=1345%2C 97389' "https://chat.stackexchange.com/user/info"

Nathan Osman

I'm sure I tried that and it didn't work.

Serg

@terdon seen and comprehensively upgoated

Nathan Osman

11:10 PM

Resumes head-smacking-on-desk procedure...

Kaz Wolfe

I just tried it.

worked ok for me

Nathan Osman

You're not helping my head.

:P

terdon

@Serg Thanks. I channeled my inner Eliah there a bit.

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Kaz Wolfe

but you're right, i'm pretty sure there's no direct way to actually pull a list of users currently in the room.

I thought there was, though. I seem to recall using it in WolfBot-SE once or twice...

Serg

Do you guys think it would be better if I left AU for a while ?

Nathan Osman

11:13 PM

@terdon You mean Eliah?

Kaz Wolfe

It looks like CE6 uses a scraper too, @NathanOsman.

terdon

@NathanOsman Dammit! I keep doing that!

@Serg For us? No. For you? Only you can tell.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe I wonder if there's a good reason.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman because there's no method for currently-present users?

Nathan Osman

AHA!

Serg

11:16 PM

I keep saying that I need to get my life in order but it always ends up being just plans that never get to the starting phase at least

Nathan Osman

I literally discovered that as you were writing your last message.

And THAT'S why I needed to parse the page.

@KazWolfe thank you, you have been most helpful.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@DougSmythies Yes I saw that Jarno guy posting on my Q&A. It actually sparked me to learn up on your server-edition and this is what I've got so far:

Kaz Wolfe

There is a way to get users (through the POST), but there is no way to get the current users except through scraping for no good reason.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

^^ The default colors are weird but hey its server edition :p

Kaz Wolfe

probably because a chat API is "low priority"

Serg

11:18 PM

@WinEunuuchs2Unix nice, youre improving in scripting

Nathan Osman

My Go package is quickly fixing that.

WinEunuuchs2Unix

@Serg Thank you kindly Serg. Funny thing is when I was googling dialog function you and Byte were in the answers :p

Back in 2015 I think it was...

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman wolfbot is already "complete" lol

plus your go package is still going to have the inefficiencies related to using a scraper.

Nathan Osman

Inefficiencies?

Kaz Wolfe

Scraping is slow.

Nathan Osman

11:29 PM

It's a package - the scraping function is provided to the app using the function.

It doesn't have to call it.

Besides, Go is comparable to C in speed.

So, let's be honest, it's not really that slow.

Seth

It's slow vs API is what he means

you have to pull the entire page

Nathan Osman

It's just a couple KB of HTML...

Kaz Wolfe

parsing.

Nathan Osman

How is that different from an HTTP request to an API?

API responses need to be parsed too.

Kaz Wolfe

Not data-scraped and parsed.

API responses would already be designed in such a way that machines can easily read them.

Nathan Osman

11:33 PM

Both cause an HTTP request. Both result in data that needs to be "parsed".

Seth

@KazWolfe parsing is a silly distinction.

Kaz Wolfe

still, scraping and pulling usable data out of the garbage that is HTML is a lot harder and more inefficient than requesting from an API.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe how does WolfBot get the list of current users in the room?

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman same way everyone else does, a scraper.

Nathan Osman

:P

So don't throw stones at my package :P

Kaz Wolfe

11:34 PM

I wasn't throwing stones at the package.

I was throwing stones at SE for not implementing an API.

Nathan Osman

Ah, okay.

Throws a stone as well...

Kaz Wolfe

on an unrelated note...

Mar 14 16:31:24 somehost.com postfix/smtpd[9847]: warning: hostname vps863.hidehost.net does not resolve to address 91.200.12.140: Name or service not known
Mar 14 16:31:24 somehost.com postfix/smtpd[9847]: connect from unknown[91.200.12.140]
Mar 14 16:31:25 somehost.com postfix/smtpd[9847]: lost connection after AUTH from unknown[91.200.12.140]
Mar 14 16:31:25 somehost.com postfix/smtpd[9847]: disconnect from unknown[91.200.12.140] ehlo=1 auth=0/1 commands=1/2

git gud, haxxorz

Nathan Osman

I have nearly endless logs on my mailserver full of that.

Zacharee1

guh

why doesn't RemoteViews support tinting?

Serg

sandwich thicker than my grip . . .gotta chanel my inner hamster

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Kaz Wolfe

11:47 PM

i just banned a whole ISP from my server. I feel evil :D

Seth

@Serg oh man, now I'm starving for a sandwich..

but I'm trying to avoid wheat and processed soy D:

Serg

@Seth sowwy :3 i can

terdon

@Seth soydo make me a sandwich?

Serg

share half

Nathan Osman

Pancakes for supper.

\o/

Seth

11:49 PM

@terdon lol

Serg

Ask Ubuntu General Lunchroom

3

Kaz Wolfe

sudo apt lunch

terdon

In my case, it's more like:

at now + 6 hours < coffee

Serg

@KazWolfe unmet dependency: fork

Kaz Wolfe

oh, cool. i'm getting hammered on port 23.

i wonder why.

Zacharee1

11:54 PM

Telnet is supposed to be insecure, isn't it?

Serg

whats on 23 , telnet ?

i forgot

Kaz Wolfe

yeah, telnet.

Nathan Osman

Maybe it thinks it's an insecured router?

Kaz Wolfe

exactly why i'm surprised people are trying to connect to it.

Nathan Osman

One word: IoT.

Zacharee1

11:55 PM

that's three

Kaz Wolfe

HAHAHA

[UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=[redacted] SRC=89.248.172.16 DST=[redacted] LEN=70 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=123 ID=45725 PROTO=UDP SPT=40266 DPT=1604 LEN=50

Serg

i saw that

Kaz Wolfe

people are checking if I have a RAT on my box.

that's kind lol

they're also checking for another RAT, and NTP?

What secvulns exist in NTP?

Zacharee1

all teh vulnz

Serg

clearly it is automated attack. A human attacker would at least scan the open ports

Kaz Wolfe

11:59 PM

also poking dns

Doug Smythies

@WinEunuuchs2Unix : That looks petty cool.

Serg

Although。。。no i didnt make sense there

Mateo

ooo, nice question

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg if a human attacker would scan my box, their IP would get nuked.

Mateo

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